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Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:28 pm
by Humberside
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...ts_raised_over_london_air_link.php

Quote:
The future of the only air link between Leeds-Bradford International Airport and London has been called into question by airline bosses.

Sir Michael Bishop, chairman of airline BMI - the only airline to fly between Leeds-Bradford and Heathrow - has called into question the cost of airport charges at the Yeadon airport and described them as an issue that needs to be resolved in order to maintain the service.

A letter from Sir Michael to Michael Goodwin, chairman of Leeds-Bradford, lists a series of concerns regarding the Heathrow service.

In the letter Sir Michael says: "These fees will need to drop significantly in cash terms for the service to remain viable.

"Airport charges are a big percentage of the cost base of any short haul route and remain higher at Leeds Bradford than we pay at any other airports in our network.

"We note that the airport has been recently sold at a premium and its new owners will be keen to re-coup their investment.

"Therefore this is a serious issue and we did write to the financial advisors handling the bid process making them aware of our requirement to pay considerably less if the service was to be maintained."

Sir Michael also mentions that other regional airports have gained financial support from "local interests", desperate to retain the link to Heathrow and suggested this as an option for Leeds-Bradford.

He also urged business and leisure groups to "use the service or lose it".

The issue is to be discussed at a Leeds-Bradford Airport Consultative Committee meeting tomorrow. Sir Michael had been responding to a letter from Mr Goodwin, expressing concerns that the connection may be under threat due to the knock on effect of increased charges at Heathrow.

Peter Willis, operations director at Leeds-Bradford played down the speculation that the service could be lost between the region and Heathrow.

He said that the level of charges would be discussed between both parties - although a settlement was some way from being established.

He also said that passenger levels on the London Heathrow service "went through peaks and troughs".

BMI operates several services a day between Leeds-Bradford and Heathrow.


RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:14 pm
by bennett123
Taking account of the need to arrive at the airport 1/2 hours before take off, I wonder whether it would be as quick by train.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:29 pm
by callumm92


Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Taking account of the need to arrive at the airport 1/2 hours before take off, I wonder whether it would be as quick by train.

 checkmark  And the slots at LHR could probably be used more profitably elsewhere, for expansion to the Middle East/USA.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:53 pm
by Boeing74741R


Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Taking account of the need to arrive at the airport 1/2 hours before take off, I wonder whether it would be as quick by train.

And there is now a 30 minute rail frequency between Leeds-London Kings Cross, courtesy of GNER (soon to become National Express East Coast).

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:44 pm
by Humberside
One fact that is often forgotten about the train is that is not attractive for anyone who needs to go to LHR for a connection. Train to Kings Cross, tube to Paddington and Heathrow Express is not attractive for anyone with luggage. Until we get intercity and high speed services to Heathrow, the train is no option for connecting passengers

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:45 pm
by Boeing74741R


Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
One fact that is often forgotten about the train is that is not attractive for anyone who needs to go to LHR for a connection. Train to Kings Cross, tube to Paddington and Heathrow Express is not attractive for anyone with luggage. Until we get intercity and high speed services to Heathrow, the train is no option for connecting passengers

Correct, but apart from people going to LHR on transit the train option is attractive for just about everybody else.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:16 pm
by LHRBlueSkies


Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 5):
but apart from people going to LHR on transit the train option is attractive for just about everybody else.

It would be interesting to know the percentage of onward and local pax arriving at LHR from LBA?

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:18 pm
by OA260
Weren't they going to review ALL domestic routes anyway?? Not a total surprise really the way slots at LHR are.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:02 pm
by jonnywishbone
It's great if you are going to the modernist concrete jungle that is Slough, but for the centre of town, the train wins hands down.

The service is not overly reliable, the embraers are horrible and if you need to connect, fly from MAN.

I think it's only a matter of time before it goes and the only real losers will be northern cabin crew, who'll have to go to MAN or drive!

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:05 pm
by antonovman
I am surprised the MME service hasnt gone yet. I thought that would go before LBA, I rememebr working in MME many years ago and we had 5 DC9 flights a day MME - LHR

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:00 pm
by AIR MALTA


Quoting Antonovman (Reply 9):
I am surprised the MME service hasnt gone yet. I thought that would go before LBA, I rememebr working in MME many years ago and we had 5 DC9 flights a day MME - LHR

Sooner or later MME, LBA, BRU and AMS will go. Slots are better used somewhere else.

Is there in the world another big hub like LHR which so poorly connected to its domestic destinations? UK drama.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:50 pm
by Orion737
UK dismal situation. I use LBA-LHR as a means to connecting to other flights, as does many of the regular passengers. This rtoute axe will be a pian in the neck. Plus the person who moaned about the Embrarers and the fact MAN is better, remember we at LBA still get free drinks on BMI.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:20 pm
by jonnywishbone


Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
remember we at LBA still get free drinks on BMI

Do we... Not to LHR as Joe Public you don't, certainly do on Regional services, but not mainline during the week.

I was being a bit mean... will be sorry to see it go, but with Gordon's joke eco tax hikes, the thing isn't worth it unless you get a Baby fare and you have to do that 364 days in advance for the morning flight down!

Parking at Leeds £ 20, Ticket £ 320, Heathrow Express £ 30 - Daft money for a day in town and a sporadic service to say the least.

Train £ 260 first class, wi-fi all the way and as many free shortbreads as you can half inch, Service every half hour and quicker.

Sadly it doesn't add up for bmi.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:01 pm
by Orion737
I guess so. I feel the end is nigh for this route. I remember when BD axed LPL and EMA-LHR

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:26 pm
by sam1987


Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
the train is no option for connecting passengers

...which will mean connecting passengers will just go to AMS and connect to European and worldwide services from there. So Star Alliance will probably suffer a bit.

I have used the LHR-LBA link many times and it has only seemed busy on Sunday evenings, when the trains finish early and lots of people need to get back to Yorkshire having spent the weekend in the south east.

If this route goes it will be an enormous blow the Yorkshire economy. Leeds Airport is struggling (apart from the low cost services, other routes seem to be chopped and changed all the time) and the loss of a link to London will be tragic.

LPL, BLK, EMA, HUY and BHX have all lost their London services. LBA is just another on the list as transitting passengers use AMS instead and domestic passengers take the train or car.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:30 pm
by Orion737
I agree, we could have seen this one coming couldnt we? Im sure KL will be delighted as their operation will no doubt nenefit and we may see an increase in AMS services to and from LBA.

The domestic cituation in this country is adysmal. Routes are constantly being announced, built up and then axed. BMI are spealists at this iw seems.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:35 pm
by sam1987


Quoting Orion737 (Reply 15):
The domestic situation in this country is adysmal

Look what happened in France - they built the TGV and passenger numbers plummeted on routes such has CDG-LYS and CDG-MRS.

It's a pity as it is LHR that will suffer as yet again passengers are forced to go abroad for connections.

The future for UK domestic air travel is not bright.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:41 pm
by Orion737
The domestic route network taken as a whole, within the UK is appalling. we loose so many transfer passengers through other hubs namely, AMS, but also CDG and increasingly MAD.

Our rail network cannot be compared to the excellent fast networks of the TGV in France or the Swiss service. We need vital air links with our capital and the regions. sadly EK and the like squeeze out airlines like Manx and BD domestic flights and we are left with changing trains umpteen times to get to Heathrow.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:15 pm
by bmiexpat


Quoting Orion737 (Reply 15):
The domestic cituation in this country is adysmal. Routes are constantly being announced, built up and then axed. BMI are spealists at this iw seems.

Can you give any evidence to back up the claim that bmi are specialists in announcing, building up and axing domestic routes? The way I see it bmi have the biggest domestic network from LHR, approx 48 daily flights to the regions as well as maintaining a faily decent regional operation from LBA and MAN to Scotland.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:46 pm
by Orion737
Rumours of MME and LBA being cancelled. Actual services from LPL, BHX, EMA all cancelled. No LHR connections now from these airports due to BD pulling out. They announce other routes too, like the recent proposed one from Luton which rather didnt happern or happened for a few days.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:58 pm
by bmiexpat
Orion737, apart from a recent route from LTN that was announced but not started (which I have no idea about, perhaps you can give some more details about that), the only other examples you can give are rumours and routes that were axed over 8 years ago!!! I can see what you mean about bmi being specialists at announcing, building and dropping routes.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:09 pm
by ZuluTime
BMI Regional route starts and stops:

Aberdeen-Amsterdam (launched & axed after one season)
Aberdeen-Brussels (launched & axed after one season)
Southampton-Amsterdam (put on sale but never flown)
Leeds-Cork
Leeds-Jersey
Leeds-Lille (launched & axed after one season)
East Midlands-Jersey
Leeds-Paris
Manchester-Toulouse
East Midlands-Paris (moved back to Baby)
Luton-Brussels (put on sale but never flown)
Glasgow-Knock (flown then dropped, Baby now starting the route some time later)
Various efforts at Edinburgh-Munich including putting on sale

Not exactly a clean record, is it?

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:20 pm
by Orion737
Clean record? It needs taking to a 90Oc wash cycle with a Biological soapowder.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:24 pm
by RyanairGuru
MAN-TLS was dropped because there was not anough business traffic to sustain it after Jet2 started, so they instead switched to Lyon which flyBE had just dropped (former BA Connect). Makes sense since there was a whole in the market...

Last year BD increased frequenceies on LHR-MME due to high demand, doesn't sound like they will drop it then. LBD alas, it can only be a matter of time... KL will lap it up, and eventually surely EK will start (is the runway campable of a 330?) due to the level of ethnic traffic out of the region.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:45 pm
by Orion737
They fought so hard to bring a business class product to the LHR-AMS, BRU, CDG markets and then did a policy U turn which ailienated their higher end business travellers and helped out their rivals. thus they are operating an LCC service from high monetary gateways.

I think a certain founder, who fought so hard for these routes has finally gone bananas, trying to destroy what he built up and the very essence, the business traveller, which he built his business around/for.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:48 pm
by ZuluTime
Frequency increase on LHR-MME was only about holding slots - nothing more, nothing less. The route used to have five flights a day (as did LBA-LHR) and has been cut back further and further with each year, with the occasional blip as an extra flight was added to hold a set of Heathrow slots for a summer season.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:07 pm
by David_itl
Whilst LBA-LHR may go due "commercial considerations", it looks like MAN-LHR may be canned due to "political considerations" should the Conservative Party get into power according to this article in tonight's Manchester Evening News.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:20 pm
by Orion737
This is the 'personal' view of one Tory MP, not the Conservative party line. Has BD managed to maintain market share on the MAN-LHR route since their policy changes and LCC style service? Have BA bookings and yields gone up as a result?

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:35 pm
by sam1987


Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 23):
Last year BD increased frequencies on LHR-MME due to high demand

Not high demand - just slot warmers at LHR

Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 25):
(as did LBA-LHR

BD currently have five flights a day (four A319s and the late evening BD421/422 operated by one of their LBA based E135s) on most days.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:18 am
by XXXX10
Used to use thois route about 4 times a year, it was about the same price as going by trian First Class.

Tried to book a couple of months ago and it was £120 return against £67 First class by train .
Given the difference in price, the extra time needed for security and the restrictions on hand luggage and the usual 25 mins wait for baggage at LHR it is now just not worth flying.

I have travelled with BMI on other routes ie MAN, DUB, GLA and EDI on the whole I find that they offer a good combination of low fares and reasonable standards.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:20 am
by ZKOJH
intresting reading an artical 2nite, and if LHR get the 3rd runway, then regional routes to the north/midlands and the west country would stay and be put back into service. - so to sum it up, gives us the runway or loose the connections.. if MAN goes i'll be well  weeping  it's a gret connection for flights to New Zealand. but when the send an A320 to BRU from LHR with 10 PAX's on just shows that they have to look at all routes...

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:43 am
by BMED


Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 28):
late evening BD421/422 operated by one of their LBA based E135s)

I always thought that the ERJ flight was a slot warmer as it departed so close to the other LBA flight?

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:58 am
by sam1987


Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 29):
Given the difference in price, the extra time needed for security and the restrictions on hand luggage and the usual 25 mins wait for baggage at LHR it is now just not worth flying. I have travelled with BMI on other routes ie MAN, DUB, GLA and EDI on the whole I find that they offer a good combination of low fares and reasonable standards.

They offer reasonable prices on those routes (I assume because of competition from other carriers) but the LHR-LBA prices are not reasonable at all. EDI and GLA are usually much cheaper from LHR and yet LBA is half the distance.

Quoting BMED (Reply 31):
I always thought that the ERJ flight was a slot warmer as it departed so close to the other LBA flight?

Yes I think it is (just like the extra MME flights) - it does, however, give southbound passengers a much later choice of departure. On a Sunday, BD420 leaves LHR at 2045 and BD422 leaves at 2100. Bonkers!

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:17 pm
by UK_Dispatcher


Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 21):
BMI Regional route starts and stops:

Aberdeen-Amsterdam (launched & axed after one season)
Aberdeen-Brussels (launched & axed after one season)
Southampton-Amsterdam (put on sale but never flown)
Leeds-Cork
Leeds-Jersey
Leeds-Lille (launched & axed after one season)
East Midlands-Jersey
Leeds-Paris
Manchester-Toulouse
East Midlands-Paris (moved back to Baby)
Luton-Brussels (put on sale but never flown)
Glasgow-Knock (flown then dropped, Baby now starting the route some time later)
Various efforts at Edinburgh-Munich including putting on sale

Not exactly a clean record, is it?

Add MAN-NWI to that list too.

I personally hope the LHR-MME route remains. MME is BD's longest served route from LHR - now in its 38th year. I do hope they can celebrate the 40th anniversary in a couple of years' time.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:41 pm
by XXXX10


Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 32):
They offer reasonable prices on those routes (I assume because of competition from other carriers) but the LHR-LBA prices are not reasonable at all. EDI and GLA are usually much cheaper from LHR and yet LBA is half the distance

Absolutely. I refuse to pay more to fly to LBA than it costs to go yo EDI/GLA Also there is a real time saving on the longer flights.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:19 pm
by APYu


Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 14):
If this route goes it will be an enormous blow the Yorkshire economy

If it was that important to the Yorkshire economy more people would be using it and it wouldnt be under threat.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:43 pm
by sam1987


Quoting APYu (Reply 35):
f it was that important to the Yorkshire economy more people would be using it and it wouldnt be under threat.

True, but a regular air service from LHR to any airport in the UK is good for the local economy even if the flights are only half full.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:46 pm
by David_itl


Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 36):
True, but a regular air service from LHR to any airport in the UK is good for the local economy even if the flights are only half ful

Especially if some airlines don't exactly like flying out of the regions!

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:12 pm
by bmiexpat


Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 36):
True, but a regular air service from LHR to any airport in the UK is good for the local economy even if the flights are only half full.

And if the flights are only half full, is the airline still going to make any money on it or should they be flying the route and making a loss out of the kindness of their hearts?

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:23 pm
by GT4EZY
If BA were to operate this route, I am sure they would have more success due to the fact that they have a huge amount of connection possibilities. However, i won't hold my breath.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:32 pm
by sam1987


Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 39):
If BA were to operate this route, I am sure they would have more success due to the fact that they have a huge amount of connection possibilities.

I say BA should take over BD's entire LHR operation!

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:53 pm
by bmiexpat


Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 40):
I say BA should take over BD's entire LHR operation!

And see them axe a load more domestic services to use the slots for long haul flights and increase fares due to lack of competetion... that makes a lot of sense!

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:19 pm
by Boeing74741R


Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 40):

I say BA should take over BD's entire LHR operation!

You are on drugs right?

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:24 pm
by gkyip


Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
One fact that is often forgotten about the train is that is not attractive for anyone who needs to go to LHR for a connection. Train to Kings Cross, tube to Paddington and Heathrow Express is not attractive for anyone with luggage. Until we get intercity and high speed services to Heathrow, the train is no option for connecting passengers



Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 14):
...which will mean connecting passengers will just go to AMS and connect to European and worldwide services from there. So Star Alliance will probably suffer a bit.

The other option being MAN which is only an hour or so drive away, and linked by a frequent and direct rail service. MAN-LHR served by both BMI and BA.

Gary

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:36 pm
by bmiexpat


Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 42):

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 40):

I say BA should take over BD's entire LHR operation!


You are on drugs right?

I nearly fell off my chair when I read that! It was exactly what I was thinking but too chicken to say!!!!!

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:57 pm
by Farnborough24
For anyone looking to go from Leeds to London I think it is indeed safe to say train is miles better. I'm pretty sure fast services take 2 hours 20 mins? And the GNER 225s/'Mallards' or whatever they refer to them as now are a decent experience. (Speaking of GNER, someone, I think Boeing 74741R, mentioned about a name change to National Express East Coast? Know anything more about this? Because that sure is a totally rubbish name-bit like Midland Mainline going and becoming East Midlands Trains, run by and looking exactly like my local South West Trains, and Virgin Cross Country becoming this Cross Country business...I was happy with it all the way it was! Anyway, planes, not trains...)

As for everyone bemoaning the appalling state of British domestic air service compared to other large hubs, and just in general, I thought I'd air a couple of points. Firstly, Britain is not very big, hence it is hard to justify as many domestic air services full stop. Routes like BHX-LHR are about 120 miles-find me the domestic routes of 120 miles operated into a 2 runway airport where the runways are at 99% utilisation anywhere else? Point is they don't exist. It's not a travesty, it's just sense. You cannot justify operating such short domestic sectors full stop in my opinion, let alone into LHR. Second point, as I've already alluded to, is LHR itself. It just isn't suited to domestic, because slots are so demanded and so expensive that they're always going to be snapped up for more profitable long haul routes. I've always maintained that we could have a decent domestic network into LHR if LHR, like CDG for example, had 26 runways with unlimited slots at £3.50 each for a 25 year lease with expansion area the size of South East England already owned by the airport, and a nationwide ban on planning applications and greenpeace expansion stoppers. But until that happy day comes, I fear we will have to make do without. I do feel for people living far from LHR and wanting to fly long haul, but if the domestic connections you want to get you to LHR existed, the long haul connections wouldn't...

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:13 pm
by Humberside


Quoting Farnborough24 (Reply 45):
(Speaking of GNER, someone, I think Boeing 74741R, mentioned about a name change to National Express East Coast? Know anything more about this?

National Express have won the East Coast Main Line franchise and are to use the National Express name as part of a rebranding exercise across the whole National Express group

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:42 pm
by Orion737
I disagree with Farnbourough. If you lived in the IOm, jersey or Guernsey you would find it very time consuming to get to LHR to catch your connecting flight and there are few flights to anywhere other than UK from these places.

Also it may be only 120 miles from BHX-LHR but thats not takling traffic congestion into account is it?

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:15 pm
by shankly
Used to catch this flight alot and BMI certainly used to mix up the equipment; various 737's, F100's and even once an A321. Always found it amusing that if 09R was in use at LHR one would spend circa 45 minutes taxiing from the T1 gate to the holding point and then 35 minutes in the air.

RE: Bmi LHR-LBA Service Under Threat

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:40 am
by FlyCaledonian
Now that we have High Speed 1 (St Pancras to the Channel; Tunnel) we should be getting behing High Speed 2 - with spurs from Heathrow and St Pancras running north to Birmingham, Manchester/North West, Yorkshire, North East and possibly Scotland. You could just about kill the domestic routes from LHR, maybe with encouragement to link some more remoter parts of the UK to LHR with 3/4 flights a day. If invested in properly the Heathrow spur would link in with High Speed 1 so as well as St Pancras to Paris and Brussels you could have separate Heathrow to Paris and Brussels services.

However, given the unwillingness to invest in infrastructure in this country (as well as our armed forces) I can't see anyone having the guts to do this.