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Ford Truck VS C123

Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:56 pm

I was wondering how many people have seen the Ford commercial that has a Ford truck stopping a Fairchild C123 Provider. In the bottom right corner of the screen it says actual braking demo.The commercial show the truck trying to stop the plane twice before the plane is stopped. The pilot of the plane either has the plane in idle or is depressing the brake to give the illusion that the truck is stoppin ght plane. If someone can find a link to the video it would help show what i'm talking about
I think Ford is smoking something when they say that a truck can stop a plane

I've post this in the tech/ops section also but I wanted other opinions
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:13 pm

This one? Found it on YouTube in two seconds.

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Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:45 pm

Not a very good demonstration because distance used to stop is not shown. The distance it takes a driver to stop is more important than what they are showing here.
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:16 pm



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
Not a very good demonstration because distance used to stop is not shown. The distance it takes a driver to stop is more important than what they are showing here.

Eh, whether it's possible or not doesn't matter, it makes dumb believe the truck is tough and I'm sure Ford could care less how smart their customers are. Besides, you have to like the commercial simply because Mike Rowe is in it!  Smile
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:23 pm

Ever seen the Ford commercial where an F-350 is pulling a freight train? That one is a little hard to swallow because you need some serious weight to get some traction on the rails.
The Ford truck & the C-123 aircraft is more plausible.
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:32 pm

Definitely not the most scientific test ever done - no one is given the truth about the test. Are we just showing capabilities? Or are we showing how fast it can stop a plane.

As to the Ford truck itself, however, don't discount Detroit trucks' capabilities - there is a reason that GM, Ford, and Chrysler are still in business!! Finding an American car from the 1970's is a rare find, but a 1970's truck? They're all over the place and still doing the jobs they were doing 30+ years ago.

The newer trucks are no exception - some models can tow over 10,000 pounds and must be expected to STOP all that weight within safety limits. My guess is that with enough space and time, a specially equipped truck designed for heavy duty trailer towing could stop an airplane - and for reference's sake, an empty Fairchild C123 weighs 35,366 lbs empty!!
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:59 pm



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
Ever seen the Ford commercial where an F-350 is pulling a freight train? That one is a little hard to swallow because you need some serious weight to get some traction on the rails.

Seeing as locomotives themselves weigh at least 150 tons, I doubt that is remotely possible.

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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:02 pm



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
Ever seen the Ford commercial where an F-350 is pulling a freight train? That one is a little hard to swallow because you need some serious weight to get some traction on the rails.
The Ford truck & the C-123 aircraft is more plausible.
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Nope, but I have seen the one where a GMC Sierra 1-ton Doolie is pulling a freight train...  Wink
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:17 am



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
and for reference's sake, an empty Fairchild C123 weighs 35,366 lbs empty!!

How much does an empty C123 weigh loaded?  Wink  duck 

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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:24 am



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
Ever seen the Ford commercial where an F-350 is pulling a freight train? That one is a little hard to swallow because you need some serious weight to get some traction on the rails.



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):
Nope, but I have seen the one where a GMC Sierra 1-ton Doolie is pulling a freight train... Wink

KELPkid is right, it is a GMC. And that commercial there is a little blurb on the bottom saying this is not real. Where the Ford demonstration is suppose to be real.

I really can't stand those Toyota Tundra Commercials.

But back the Ford, I would think it is possible.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:25 am



Quoting 1PHXramper (Thread starter):

I think Ford is smoking something when they say that a truck can stop a plane

I've seen a special on the making of the commerical, and yes, it's real
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:38 am



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
The newer trucks are no exception - some models can tow over 10,000 pounds and must be expected to STOP all that weight within safety limits.

These diesel pickup trucks are starting to get scary. They're too capable for their drivers. And I say that as a Class B CDL holder and former professional bus driver (for 5 years).

Rubes are out there towing 10000-lb trailers with marginal trailer tires at 80 and 90 mph, leaving totally inadequate following distance, arbitrarily plunking themselves in the middle of clumps of traffic, and trying to intimidate surrounding traffic while towing. With the older pickups, you had no choice but to maintain a safe towing speed, because the pickup couldn't go substantially faster.

On my very last drive from Portland to Seattle one of these guys passed me (in a Cummins-powered Ram) doing about 95 mph with a loaded box trailer (probably 5000-6000 lbs). Five miles later I saw a giant cloud of smoke. He was at the side of the road with two blown-out trailer tires. Can't say I felt sorry for him, but it would have been pretty scary to be in the car he was passing as that trailer started wobbling around.

I think that to drive any personal vehicle with curb weight over 5000 lbs. (which includes all current full-size pickups) or to tow a trailer over 5000 lbs., drivers should have to get something equivalent to a Class C CDL, including a skills test with the equipment they want to drive.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:01 am



Quoting Jawake (Reply 9):
I really can't stand those Toyota Tundra Commercials.

Why?
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:03 am

In all the times I've seen the commercial I don't ever recall seen Mike Rowe (dirty jobs )anywhere in the commercial
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:48 am



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 11):
I think that to drive any personal vehicle with curb weight over 5000 lbs. (which includes all current full-size pickups) or to tow a trailer over 5000 lbs., drivers should have to get something equivalent to a Class C CDL, including a skills test with the equipment they want to drive.

I agree. You can put ANYTHING on the road nowadays and drive it with no training at all. Its getting crazy and dangerous. The drivers tests are a bit of a joke and people view the "right" to drive as immutable.

I tow a small pop-up with my minivan and it definitely took me a few drives to get comfortable with it. It can be dangerous if you are stupid.

As to the C123 being stopped by the truck, the point was that it COULD do it, that it's brakes didn't overheat and turn to goo. I do wonder how long it took though.

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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:51 am



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 12):
Quoting Jawake (Reply 9):
I really can't stand those Toyota Tundra Commercials.

Why?

They are goofy, stopping a truck on the edge of a cliff, pulling up a empty container from the same cliff, dodging steel I beams, etc.... Not very realistic.

I would agree that stopping a plane is not very realistic either, I will concede that. I am a FORD lover, I admit.

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 11):
These diesel pickup trucks are starting to get scary. They're too capable for their drivers. And I say that as a Class B CDL holder and former professional bus driver (for 5 years).

Rubes are out there towing 10000-lb trailers with marginal trailer tires at 80 and 90 mph, leaving totally inadequate following distance, arbitrarily plunking themselves in the middle of clumps of traffic, and trying to intimidate surrounding traffic while towing. With the older pickups, you had no choice but to maintain a safe towing speed, because the pickup couldn't go substantially faster.

On my very last drive from Portland to Seattle one of these guys passed me (in a Cummins-powered Ram) doing about 95 mph with a loaded box trailer (probably 5000-6000 lbs). Five miles later I saw a giant cloud of smoke. He was at the side of the road with two blown-out trailer tires. Can't say I felt sorry for him, but it would have been pretty scary to be in the car he was passing as that trailer started wobbling around.

I think that to drive any personal vehicle with curb weight over 5000 lbs. (which includes all current full-size pickups) or to tow a trailer over 5000 lbs., drivers should have to get something equivalent to a Class C CDL, including a skills test with the equipment they want to drive.

As a person who pulls a fifth wheel with my Ford, I would not say all of us are idiots out there. I take it very seriously and the guys I travel with are the same. I would not think a CDL is necessary, and I use to have one but I let it expire.

I have a deep respect for CDL drivers and I know the frustration of guys jumping in front of you last minute not understanding you have 13000 lbs of weight to stop. Very very annoying.

I actually find folks driving Diesel Pushers that are the size of buses very scary. Those are commercial grade and I can not believe they do not need a special license.

Sorry we are off topic, I think the Youtube video seals it, it is a real demonstration.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:55 am

Well, it's a great commercial seeing as my dad built C-123's for Fairchild in HGR back in the 1950's. I love all those old airplanes! I'm fortunate to have lots of great Fairchild pics and advertising collateral from that era.
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:00 am

The C-123 almost looks too small to carry the truck. I kinda imagine the front of the truck is right on the back of the seats of the pilots.

How big is the cargo area of a C-123?
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:06 am



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 6):
Seeing as locomotives themselves weigh at least 150 tons, I doubt that is remotely possible.

Most newer ones are close to 200 tons. Not to mention that it is not uncommon for the the max gross weight of a rail car to be at least 100 tons. But, as pointed out earlier, the commercial was not an actual demonstration.

http://www.bnsf.com/tools/reference/equipment.html

Also, for an aircraft, 12.5 tons is not an incredible amount of weight, so this demonstration was entirely possible, in my opinion.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:22 am



Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 18):
Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 6):
Seeing as locomotives themselves weigh at least 150 tons, I doubt that is remotely possible.

Most newer ones are close to 200 tons. Not to mention that it is not uncommon for the the max gross weight of a rail car to be at least 100 tons. But, as pointed out earlier, the commercial was not an actual demonstration.

Actually, moving a locomotive - or a fully loaded rail car - is quite easy as long as it is on the flat with the brakes off.

I used to push 125 ton loaded coal cars with an old small farm tractor (4 cylinder engine) that had a small bucket loader on it all the time. That is how we routinely moved the coal cars to the unloading hoppers for a small coal fired power plant.

You could even push several coal cars hooked together.

A F350 truck has 5 to 10 times the horsepower than an old small farm tractor. I don't see it to be a problem at all.

Key thing to remember about rail... Steel wheels on steel rails have very little friction; and modern ball bearings for the wheel trusses are very good.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:02 am

I drive an F150 and cant believe it can do this...  no  a bigger super duty possibly, but not the F150.

Quoting Jawake (Reply 15):
As a person who pulls a fifth wheel with my Ford, I would not say all of us are idiots out there. I take it very seriously and the guys I travel with are the same. I would not think a CDL is necessary, and I use to have one but I let it expire.

I have a deep respect for CDL drivers and I know the frustration of guys jumping in front of you last minute not understanding you have 13000 lbs of weight to stop. Very very annoying.

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Aviation related - when was the ad filmed??? I didnt know there was still a C123 flying. Is it still airworthy??
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:17 am



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 11):
I think that to drive any personal vehicle with curb weight over 5000 lbs. (which includes all current full-size pickups) or to tow a trailer over 5000 lbs., drivers should have to get something equivalent to a Class C CDL, including a skills test with the equipment they want to drive.

5,000 pounds? Isn't that about the size of a Ford Crown Victoria?
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:57 am



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 20):
I didnt know there was still a C123 flying. Is it still airworthy??

I'm not sure, but I believe that one being kept airworthy and has been used in many movies/commercials, such as Con Air and Air America, although there might be others flying as well.

As for the braking thing, while the truck could have helped a little, I believe the actual amount of deceleration it provided to the aircraft was marginal, and the provider would have coasted to a halt by itself not much farther without the truck...

It's not so much a matter of braking power as it is of traction. I don't think the truck has enough weight on the wheels to pull that kind of trick, especially when being pulled.
And if it has, then it would only mean that it is unbelievably heavy, not necessarily a good quality.
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:36 pm



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 21):
000 pounds? Isn't that about the size of a Ford Crown Victoria?

Nope, those are around 4,000 lbs...
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:41 am



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 21):
5,000 pounds? Isn't that about the size of a Ford Crown Victoria?

Continuing the off-topic-ness, I know, but I feel like I should answer...

Crown Vics are around 4100 lbs. depending on equipment. The only passenger cars over 5000 lbs. are Rolls, Bentleys, certain long-wheelbase Benz S-Classes, and the like. If your vehicle weighs over 5000 lbs. it is almost certainly a full-size pickup or large SUV. 5000 lbs. is actually a surprisingly good dividing line. Even large minivans and crossovers tend to be in the mid-4000s, while almost all of the full-frame models are over 5000. I would only advocate extra driver training for the big full-framers, for two reasons: 1) they handle and stop less effectively, speaking generally, and 2) they are the vehicles likely to be towing serious trailers.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 20):
f you have any been in a 53' rig and someone does that, you know NEVER to do it yourself...

Or a 60' articulated transit bus (the heavy engine is in the back of the trailer) in the rain.  eek   eyepopping   crazy   splat 
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:15 pm



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 10):
I've seen a special on the making of the commerical, and yes, it's real

The one I posted above?
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:40 pm

The commercial said the c123 weighed 30,000 lbs does that sound right??
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:55 pm



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 26):
The commercial said the c123 weighed 30,000 lbs does that sound right??

Read the thread, and you'll see this:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
and for reference's sake, an empty Fairchild C123 weighs 35,366 lbs empty!!

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Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:38 am

This I think is a bit more impressive and 100% sure that it is real.
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:42 am



Quoting 1PHXramper (Thread starter):
Ford Truck VS C123

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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:45 am



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 22):
I believe the actual amount of deceleration it provided to the aircraft was marginal, and the provider would have coasted to a halt by itself not much farther without the truck...

That's the key here - the aircraft props are providing NO forward thrust. The aircraft is just rolling out, coasting.

Truck stopping the plane - no problem - heck even my Chevy mini-van can stop that aircraft with a long enough runway to slow it down.

Pulling it forward from a dead stop - that would be an accomplishment.

It's all about the physics of traction - applying the power of the vehicle to the ground translated into a lateral force. It's really more an accomplishment of the tires than the brand of truck.

As far as moving train cars - in some places 15HP electric motors are used to move train cars. The power of the Chevy truck to move the cars - not a problem. Getting traction on the tracks - BIG problem.

That is one reason locomotives weight so much - they have to have that weight to apply the power to the rails.

Also trains carry sand which the engineer can spray onto the rails ahead of the driver wheels when he needs extra traction to start the train moving.

Yes the truck commercials are getting stupid - the Toyota ones are the worst.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:47 am

Of course its possible... They did it...

My guess is the modification from stock are ballast in the bed to keep the rear brakes working increases total weight to stop, but vastly increases the total braking ability of the truck. Might have done something to mount the chains but the stock tow hooks are way over built so possibly not.


Don't forget they are not stopping a 35K lbs plane in just a few feet, they have a whole runway to do it in. So its can they stop it in a mile or so... which on dry pavement isn't that big of a deal. The brakes have the thermal capacity to deal with morons towing incorrectly on long downgrades, so a single stop is not going to bother them.

Its also why you won't see a single Tundra comparison ad on just pure braking, since... er... the F150 has better brakes. They do the acceleration and braking tests for the ads to mask it. Nevermind that in all the towing I've done with my F150 including a total weight north of 16K lbs and over the max total weight Ford "allows", I've not once wanted more power. Most of the time I have just barely enough traction to put down the power it has. In fact starting heavy trailers are part throttle only since full throttle will cause it to burn out when the F150's getto "traction control" cuts off after 2sec or so of high throttle applications.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:07 am



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
The newer trucks are no exception - some models can tow over 10,000 pounds and must be expected to STOP all that weight within safety limits. My guess is that with enough space and time, a specially equipped truck designed for heavy duty trailer towing could stop an airplane - and for reference's sake, an empty Fairchild C123 weighs 35,366 lbs empty!!

I drive an F-150 SuperCrew 4x4 and I routinely use it to pull a 6,000 lb. travel trailer. And I don't just pull it on flat ground. So I think the ability to control and stop a 6,000 lb. load on a steep grade would equate being able to stop the plane on smooth, flat, dry pavement. At least once! As mentioned already, nobody makes any claims as to how much distance it takes to do so and nobody ever said the brakes were not destroyed in the process. The truck in the commercial probably weighs 5,000 lb. empty so it's easy to consider that even a rock that weighs 5,000 dragging behind the plane would stop it too.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 6):
Seeing as locomotives themselves weigh at least 150 tons, I doubt that is remotely possible.



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 30):
Truck stopping the plane - no problem - heck even my Chevy mini-van can stop that aircraft with a long enough runway to slow it down.

I think it's possible. I know when I shift my 4x4 into 4x4 Low Range the engine has to turn very fast to get any speed at all so it all has to do with gearing.

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 19):
Actually, moving a locomotive - or a fully loaded rail car - is quite easy as long as it is on the flat with the brakes off.



Quoting 2175301 (Reply 19):
Key thing to remember about rail... Steel wheels on steel rails have very little friction; and modern ball bearings for the wheel trusses are very good.

Exactly right. Hard steel wheels on hard steel rails equals low friction and easy pulling. Remember that they have sand spreaders on locomotives that put sand on the tracks to increase the grip of the wheels when they are climbing hills.
 
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RE: Ford Truck VS C123

Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:32 am

The youtube video at the beginning of the thread shows that the commercial is definitely for real. But somehow when the actual commercial is run, it looks computer-generated, very two-dimensional. I didn't hear the audio, so maybe I'm missing something...
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