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Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:20 am

bmi regional with soon base a second aircraft (135) at EMA and open up the following route CGN, BD211/212, around the 11 feb 08, with the likes of ABZ and ZRH to follow should demand be high.
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:34 am

Not a strange decision. easyJet have operated the route for quite a while, but will drop it from January, 6.

I always thought a daily 319 was a lot of capacity for the route, and apparantly easyJet came to the same conclusion. A 135 probably matches better with demand.

It's nice for BD that it's a "warm" route to open, they will likely find some customers that were used to take the U2 flight and who are happy with the replacement.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:39 am

Yes, Im assuming BD regional so there will be some semblance of service on this route, unlike mainline BD.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:41 am



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2):
Yes, Im assuming BD regional so there will be some semblance of service on this route, unlike mainline BD.

OMG! Timewarp.....

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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:50 am

Its good to be back. I think its good that we have that CGN connection which with a smaller aircraft and improved service will be better suited to the business market

[Edited 2007-11-30 03:56:22]
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:05 pm

Many years ago I worked for BD in FRA and we had the VCV flying LPL-EMA-BRU-FRA and I am sure the
flight numbers were BD211/212
Does anyone else remember this ?
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:13 pm



Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
It's nice for BD that it's a "warm" route to open, they will likely find some customers that were used to take the U2 flight and who are happy with the replacement.

Im sure teh customers will love the BD Regional service and the ERJ, but Im not so sure they will be thrilled with the fares BD charge....skyHigh on most routes.

Also, one rotation per day (I assume no Sat service?) seems like pretty awful utilization of the fleet. Mind yo they always seem to have an ERJ or two parked at LBA and MAN when I pass through those airports.

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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:15 pm

Does anybody know the frequency of this flight? Or will it just be the once daily? Can't see them basing a whole aircraft at EMA just for a daily flight, especially when they could probably squeeze it in-between the BRU runs.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:20 pm

Well seeing as a proportion of the users of the flight dont pay out their own pockets but their companies pick up the tab, I doubt they will care much about prices!! I bet their customers would though, if they knew.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:20 pm

I wonder how this will affect X3 on the CGN-BHX run?

I would think not too much since it is a net reduction in capacity to the UK midlands.

They've not started selling the route yet, not online anyway.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:15 pm

Quoting Antonovman (Reply 5):
Many years ago I worked for BD in FRA and we had the VCV flying LPL-EMA-BRU-FRA and I am sure the
flight numbers were BD211/212
Does anyone else remember this ?

No, Antonovman, you're the last living witness to this

I remember well BD flying from LPL to LHR and JER but not to Europe. Proabably a little bit before my time.

[Edited 2007-11-30 08:19:51]
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:35 pm

'I wonder how this will affect X3 on the CGN-BHX run?' - TUIFly will axe the BHX route
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting BmiEMA19 (Reply 7):
Does anybody know the frequency of this flight? Or will it just be the once daily? Can't see them basing a whole aircraft at EMA just for a daily flight, especially when they could probably squeeze it in-between the BRU runs.

Reading on pprune that sounds like the plan. The second aircraft would be needed if ABZ and ZRH happens. I presume 2/3 daily to ABZ (goodbye T3 on this route) and once daily to ZRH

[Edited 2007-11-30 10:34:23]
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:25 pm



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 10):
No, Antonovman, you're the last living witness to this

Haha youre right, but i was very very young at the time
Passengers used to look at the viscount and say "Is that it ? does it really fly "

 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:44 pm

Wrong post, please delete...

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[Edited 2007-11-30 14:46:05]
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:22 am

Can somebody shed some light on the "business travelers" on this route? Which companies benefit from these service, i.e. have important operations in the CGN and EMA region to warrant such a service? I asked the question in a German forum and all they answered was "Easyjet could fill the plane, so there must be a market" and "Nice to have new colours at the airport". Both true, but I am still wondering about what the business market between the two cities looks like.

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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:00 am

Who provides ground handling for bmi regional at EMA?

Are bmibaby dealing with the passenger side?
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:55 am

Shall we see if this route actually happens. BD Regional have a habit of comming out with new routes that never actually take off.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:48 pm



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 8):
Well seeing as a proportion of the users of the flight dont pay out their own pockets but their companies pick up the tab, I doubt they will care much about prices!! I bet their customers would though, if they knew.

Oh, give it a break.
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:08 pm

I can give you a break, arm ,leg or neck??? Only joking!!!!! My comment was a fair one, many business passengers dont pay for their fares out there own pocket do they.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:23 pm



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 19):
I can give you a break, arm ,leg or neck??? Only joking!!!!! My comment was a fair one, many business passengers dont pay for their fares out there own pocket do they

But nor do their company send them off on a jolly on rather expensive tickets either - at the end of the day, it's costing someone, and they'll want the best price. Basic economics Orion.

However, I'm not not sure what all this has to do with the subject in hand...

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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:12 pm

here's what we have been waiting ;

6 weekly East Midlands - Cologne service with bmi regional's ERJ-135 plane.


BD211 EMA1015 - 1235CGN ER3 x67
BD211 EMA1100 - 1320CGN ER3 7

BD212 CGN1305 - 1335EMA ER3 x67
BD212 CGN1350 - 1420EMA ER3 7
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:53 pm



Quoting Gofly (Reply 20):
But nor do their company send them off on a jolly on rather expensive tickets either - at the end of the day, it's costing someone, and they'll want the best price. Basic economics Orion.

Depends - my ex employer (a very well known bank now - for all the wrong reasons!) sent 15 of us from Newcastle to London. We knew where and when we were going - almost 8 months in advance. Common sense would be to book the tickets there and then - for £20. No - they booked us on £140 Business 'Saver' (ha) - to sit in Economy too. So companies don't always go out of their way to get the cheapest tickets.

They also had a rule by where you had to get the CEO to sign a form if you want to travel by train. BA, or T3 to London would have been cheaper. Or STN on U2 would have been cheaper still.

There is also that 'tax deductable' factor. Don't quite understand it - but I believe it is one reason why many companies have a 'no expense spared' policy when it comes to expenses.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:00 pm

Thank you Sevenair for adding some credence to my point. Not all business, particularly lerge, publiuc and private sector business still pay much too high for flight tickets and de=luxe accommodation which the cost of flows down to the consumer.
 
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:40 pm

bmi press release points out connections to HAM with LH. Are LH codesharing on this flight or just an interline?/
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:13 am

i'd think LH would be a codeshare as being a * Partner, i'll check when I go back to work on Friday, ! looking forward to when it goes 3x daily like BRU hahahaha !! heard that Embraer 170's or Dash 8-300's are being looked at to replace the smaller 135/145's...
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RE: Bd - EMA To CGN

Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:12 pm



Quoting Zkojh (Reply 11):
'I wonder how this will affect X3 on the CGN-BHX run?' - tuifly will axe the BHX route

Did you have some inside information? I have just received notification that TUIFly cease operations CGN-BHX on 13th January

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