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AFGMEL
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Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:15 am

Trying to get from Dublin to Paris in July next year. I really don't want to fly Ryanair as the restrictions on luggage are tedious and the fact that they don't land very near Paris.

Anyway, Aer Lingus have a fare which is on the expensive side, but doable. AF on the other hand want 640 Euros! WTF? Do people really pay that much for the privilege of an AF economy flight?
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:35 am

When you compare the service levels between the airlines that provide nonstop service between CDG and DUB... you're paying for a premium. AerLingus and Ryanair are both "LCCs" that nickel and dime you for everything from baggage check to water onboard. On AF the flights are operated by CityJet on 146 or RJ85 a/c and have dual class services. THe folks at CityJet do a bang up service on the short flight with meals in business class and snack in Y. COffee, tea and other beverages are all apart of the service.

Bottom line... you pay for what you get.


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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:54 am

In Europe I usually find that the lowest fares on low-cost carriers like Ryanair and EasyJet are available when you book far ahead of the travel date, while on the contrary major carriers often make their lowest fares available much closer to the travel date when they have a better idea of demand. They will often then fill remaining seats at very low fares, in many cases lower than the so-called low-cost carriers. Obviously that varies a lot by route and day of the week etc.
 
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:00 am

European legacy carriers, for some reason, haven't been as quick to adopt more evolved revenue management techniques for intra-Europe travel. As such, you'll often see outrageous one-way fares. It has nothing to do with differences in service--the legacies simply don't want to compete in this market, for some reason. Nobody is actually buying these tickets, but it makes a trip to Europe very hard to plan for lots of non-Europeans.

Some airlines, such as AZ and even AF/BA in certain markets, will price out fairly reasonably for one-way and multi-city travel. But it's still commonplace to see 500+ euro fares for o/w travel.
 
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:00 am

I have no problem paying for what I get. To put it in perspective though, 640 Euros for a two hour flight one way in economy is one of the most expensive airfares I have ever encountered. It's about $1100 AUD. 1200 Euros return would be more than a flight from here to Europe economy. Some examples;for less than that I could fly economy return with CX to Bangkok - Phuket - Ho Chi Minh - Hanoi. I could fly to Hawaii for less than that return with HA. QF economy to most of the US - $1400 Plus taxes.

It makes no sense.
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:11 am

Last summer, my travel plans included a flight from HAM to CDG. I only needed a one way flight. Yet Air France was quoting upwards of € 600 for the one way, versus about € 60 for the round trip.....

So, if what you want to do is fly Air France, then book yourself a round trip and become an instant no-show on a flight you'll never need. Seems crazy, I know, but that's what I did. Wish I was still on vacation to fly from CDG to HAM when I was sitting in my office cube 20 miles away from ORD....
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:53 am



Quoting Ordfrbdl (Reply 5):
book yourself a round trip and become an instant no-show on a flight

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You're right. The flight shows about 77 Euros each way. That is more sensible. More than Aer Lingus, but doable.
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:52 am



Quoting AFGMEL (Thread starter):
AF on the other hand want 640 Euros!

I'm seeing a price quotation on a Swedish travel site, with AF, which is €213 (Roundtrip). For a one-way ticket it's about €125...

Not too expensive, considering that FR might end up costing you the same anyway, I must say...

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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:09 am



Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 6):
You're right. The flight shows about 77 Euros each way. That is more sensible. More than Aer Lingus, but doable.

I have flown with AF lots of times this year on the DUB-CDG route along with connections and as you have noticed, if you travel one-way the fare is crazy... return trip fares are much more appropriate.

To be honest, given that it is only a 90min flight, (slightly longer flying time with AF), if the fare is less with EI I would fly with them. The A320s EI use on the route are far more comfortable than economy class on the Cityjet 146/RJ85. Although the extra bit of complimentary "service" is nice with AF and the Avro cabins are a big improvement on the 146s, (beware you may still get a 146), I think EI is the better choice. The food on Cityjet isn't exactly anything to write home about!

Up to you... but enjoy your time here in Dublin!
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:10 am

Its the way with legacy carriers the world over.....book the return and don't show is the cheapest way to do a one-way flight! They almost expect it!

Fortunately, some airlines have seen some sense and now make one-way and open-jaw flights around the same price (or 1/2 price) as the standard return. BA, for example, are often not that much more expensive on an open-jaw than on straight return i.e. I paid £20 more to fly into JFK and return from BOS...and £50 more to go into LAX and out of SFO.

I think I am still due on several Lan Chile flights in South America in the next couple of months....long-stop return was the cheapest way to jet around!
 
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting AFGMEL (Thread starter):
AF on the other hand want 640 Euros!

What are your flight dates and time? My last ticket with Air France between Dublin and Paris cost me 150 euros (return). I usually never get ticket above 250 euros with them on this route.

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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:28 am



Quoting EIDAA (Reply 8):
The A320s EI use on the route are far more comfortable than economy class on the Cityjet 146/RJ85.

I totally agree! This 146 is absolutely not comfortable at all. It looks like we're all chickens packed in a cage. It's about time AF changed their 146s for some more comfy A319s or A320s.

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 8):
The food on Cityjet isn't exactly anything to write home about!

There again I agree. And I think it even got crappier. Before, you used to have something relatively decent: half sandwich, a (kinda) nice cake, and a couple of other tiny stuff. Now, you just get a small pack of peanuts and that's all! Fortunately, drinks are (still) free. But it's a bit of a shame to pay sometimes 60 or 80 euro more than EI for just a free drink...
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:40 am



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
I totally agree! This 146 is absolutely not comfortable at all. It looks like we're all chickens packed in a cage. It's about time AF changed their 146s for some more comfy A319s or A320s.

I wish... but with the "NEW" RJ85s they are introducing, it will be a long time before they move away from the 146/RJ85 on the Cityjet services. I would actually be happy if they just switched to E190s or similar!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
There again I agree. And I think it even got crappier. Before, you used to have something relatively decent: half sandwich, a (kinda) nice cake, and a couple of other tiny stuff. Now, you just get a small pack of peanuts and that's all! Fortunately, drinks are (still) free. But it's a bit of a shame to pay sometimes 60 or 80 euro more than EI for just a free drink...

Spot on! If I am just going to Paris, I would probably choose EI, whereas if I am connecting onwards through CDG, obviously AF / WX is the only way to go. The early morning 6/7am flights out of DUB do have a nice breakfast though, I will give them that!

Also, just to comment on Azjubilee's post above - although EI has been classing itself as an LCC for a few years, I would not put them in the same league as FR... (many will say FR is better!)... I personally think that EI is still a hybrid LCC/Legacy carrier. Still a pleasure to fly with, just with cheaper fares and a decent one-way purchase option!
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:20 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
This 146 is absolutely not comfortable at all. It looks like we're all chickens packed in a cage. It's about time AF changed their 146s for some more comfy A319s or A320s.

I agree totally, but unfortunately, with RJ85s now in the fleet and replacing the 146s, WX is stuck with this type for a long time to come. As much as I'd be tempted to fly with AF sometime, flying on a 146, warmed over or otherwise, puts me off. I have flown on the 146 with Flybe and now that it has introduced Embraer 195s, the difference is very noticeable; there's just no comparison.

EI still codeshares with KL on the AMS route and although there was talk about WX taking over this business, I'd really hate them to; the 320/321 is much nicer and in fairness to EI, they offer a good service.
 
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:18 pm

http://www.expedia.co.uk/pub/agent.dll?tovr=-1294657289&ps3u=

What date do you want.


Perhaps a stop en route would be an option.
 
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:33 pm



Quoting Trvlr (Reply 3):
European legacy carriers, for some reason, haven't been as quick to adopt more evolved revenue management techniques for intra-Europe travel. As such, you'll often see outrageous one-way fares. It has nothing to do with differences in service--the legacies simply don't want to compete in this market, for some reason. Nobody is actually buying these tickets, but it makes a trip to Europe very hard to plan for lots of non-Europeans.

Some airlines, such as AZ and even AF/BA in certain markets, will price out fairly reasonably for one-way and multi-city travel. But it's still commonplace to see 500+ euro fares for o/w travel.

Most legacy carriers in Europe dont offer onew way tickets, so the reason you get so high price for a oneway, is because the ticket is fully flexible .Some carriers such as BA and SK allready offer oneway tickets , but most dont
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:43 pm

I'd just go with Aer Lingus direct from CDG to DUB. Nice comfy A320's and you're usually guaranteed friendly and profesional service. Yes, you'll have to pay for drinks/food on board, but Aer Lingus is not a true low-cost airline Ryanair or Easyjet style.

Only down-side is you'll be using the horrible and outdated terminal 1 at CDG.

AF by Cityjet are ok, but I hate those old 146's and you will be much more comfortable on an EI A320.

And enjoy Dublin!
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:41 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
What are your flight dates and time?

25 July. Don't really care about the time. Just checked on airfrance.ie and it came up with 630 Euros.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 14):

Perhaps a stop en route would be an option.

The BA fare wasn't bad, but we would have to kill a few hours in LHR. I would rather spend the time in Paris.

Expedia comes up the 167 Pounds!

EI is 93 Euros which will do although the flight time is not convenient.

Thanks for all your help.
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:00 pm



Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 17):

25 July. Don't really care about the time. Just checked on airfrance.ie and it came up with 630 Euros.

Ok, I checked for the 25 and if you take a return, you can end up paying less than 200 euros. Even if you don't plan to return to Paris, take a return ticket, it will cost you less money. I did it many times.

Oh, and don't fly in Business, on this kind of route and aircraft, it's totally useless.
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:02 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
This 146 is absolutely not comfortable at all. It looks like we're all chickens packed in a cage. It's about time AF changed their 146s for some more comfy A319s or A320s.

I agree totally, but unfortunately, with RJ85s now in the fleet and replacing the 146s, WX is stuck with this type for a long time to come. As much as I'd be tempted to fly with AF sometime, flying on a 146, warmed over or otherwise, puts me off. I have flown on the 146 with Flybe and now that it has introduced Embraer 195s, the difference is very noticeable; there's just no comparison.

The seating configuration on the 146/Avro RJ makes a huge difference. There is no comparison between the cramped 6-abreast 146s/Avros like CityJet's and the spacious and comfortable 5-abreast Avro RJs operated by LX. With 5 abreast the 146/Avro is one of the most comfortable narrowbodies while at 6-abreast they are terrible.
 
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:46 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
with RJ85s now in the fleet and replacing the 146s

Actually, I think this is a pity. It would have been two firsts for me. First flight with AF and first in a RJ/146.
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:56 pm



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 1):
AerLingus and Ryanair are both "LCCs" that nickel and dime you for everything from baggage check to water onboard.

With respect, you're talking absolute nonsense.
While EI have cut their cost base considerably they are by no means an LCC, and most certainly do not charge for baggage and water. If you have flown them, you have most certainly never been charged for either, so why claim that?
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:56 am



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 21):
most certainly do not charge for baggage

They do charge for baggage. 9 euros online or 12 euros at the airport.
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:10 am

Aer Lingus do charge for baggage, they are a low fares airline but still retain some of the service that you wont find on other LCCs.

I think you would be better off with Aer Lingus, lowest fare, nice aircraft and good on board service.
 
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:13 am



Quoting AFGMEL (Thread starter):
Anyway, Aer Lingus have a fare which is on the expensive side, but doable. AF on the other hand want 640 Euros! WTF? Do people really pay that much for the privilege of an AF economy flight?

People don't pay these fares with their own money, their employers do. Three years ago, I was working for a pharmaceutical company in Switzerland but living in London. The company paid for my trips LON-BSL-LON but I was not allowed to book U2. Instead, they made me fly LX or BA and sometimes I booked one way flights or open return and paid up to US$1,000 for a 1 hour flight... insane!!

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 3):
European legacy carriers, for some reason, haven't been as quick to adopt more evolved revenue management techniques for intra-Europe travel. As such, you'll often see outrageous one-way fares. It has nothing to do with differences in service--the legacies simply don't want to compete in this market, for some reason. Nobody is actually buying these tickets, but it makes a trip to Europe very hard to plan for lots of non-Europeans.

I would say that European legacy carriers know that companies pay these outrageous fares for their employees and they know it is a huge market... if they lower fares (specially on one way flights) they will loose the revenue generated by business travelers...
 
AFGMEL
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RE: Air France Ireland Flights

Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:18 am

Phew it's expensive. We are lucky here. You can book MEL-SYD tomorrow one way and pay less than $200AU. If you're willing to fly early it's $147AU on QF or $159 on DJ. We don't have this weird "must be return" fare.

Then again, in Europe you get many cheap flights to exotic destinations.
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