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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:00 pm

Air India to divest 15 pct in IPO - minister.
http://in.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idINIndia-30824120071204

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State-run carrier Air India plans to divest up to 15 percent of its equity in an initial public offer, the civil aviation minister said on Tuesday.

"We would like to see a 10-15 percent disinvestment from current ownership," Praful Patel told reporters on the sidelines of the India Economic Summit, but declined to set a timeline for the IPO. "Air India certainly needs more capital infusion for current asset acquisition requirements and for future growth," he said.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:32 am

Hi Everyone,

A brief report on "India Aviation BPO to the world" event held at BLR

Thought of sharing this with you all. A first of its kind event "India Aviation BPO to the world" was held at BLR recently. The agenda of the event was to explore the outsourcing opportunities in the growing civil aviation sector for Indian companies.

The one-day event's program consisted of presentations, keynotes and panel discussions on various subjects relevant to aviation sector. The organizers had invited government reps, operators and vendors. Besides, there were several attendees (like me) from various services companies (IT, ITES and non-IT) looking to benefit from the interactions. Some of the highlights of the event are listed here.

- The lone government representative was IT secretary of Karnataka! There was no representative from MoCA or DGCA at the event. I felt this was a major lacuna as most of the aviation policy decisions are with the union rather than the state. The IT secretary of Karnataka had a tough job of selling BLR as an emerging aviation hub. Poor him, he had to face a crowd most of whom had suffered the terrible BLR road traffic to the venue and demanded answers for pathetic state of infrastructer of BLR.

- IT secretary surprized everyone by annoucing the states plan to commission a SEZ near BIAL exclusively for aviation service providers. He then listed out the plans by major international firms and institutions, who wanted to shift some of their back office to BLR and wanted to create "finishing schools" (one such is alredy operational). He had some bad news too. The land acquisitions for planned road linking BIAL to the city has run into litigations and he is "hopeful" of resolving them well before opening of airport in March 08. God save BLR!

- Airbus was the only representative of Aircraft Vendors. The presentation was done by head of business jet division. He spoke about the benefits of Airbus A318 corporate jet and seemingly infinite waysI to customize it. Though it was nice, I felt this subject was totally irrelevant to the agenda of the event. Anyway, afterall they were one of the sponsors! He also updated about Airbus plans to source more components from India. But no airbus assembly line is coming to India (as opposed to China)

- Then there was a series of presentations by Kingfisher airlines (who were also sponsors of the airline). The presentation by IT head of KF about their experiences of merging DN with KF was very interesting.

- I particularly liked the presentation by CTO of Blue Dart aviation giving details about their present IT strategy and how they have been able to integrate various front-end operations and back office processes through intelligent use of simple IT infrastructure, allowing them to survive and remain strong and profitalbe. It was like squeezing a decade long of experience to 30 minute presentation! Well done!

- The two panel discussions were about (a) opportunties and challenges in the present boom (b) HR and training challenges faced by the operatros. The first discussion was well moderated and participants gave informative insights. The second discussion was poorly moderated and went no where (yawn).

- A speaker from HCL technologies revealed interesting notes about the opportunies in "Offset" requirement. That is, if any (aviation) deal with a size > 75 m$ (eg. purchase of aircrafts by state or non-state carriers) is bound by an offset clause that 30% of the deal size is re-invested by the seller back in the buyer's country, usually without any restriction about where it is being invested. The big IT companies of India (who have brand and size) are already seem to be exploiting this clause to sell their products and services (irrespective of whoever buys stuff in India)

There were also presentations from Kale consultatns, Honeywell and by ICAO rep in India.

I thought it was a good beginning. One day is hardly enough for these type of events. The next event is planned in September 2008 again at BLR. I was expecting to see some A.netters there. Let me know if any one you were there.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:16 am



Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
"We would like to see a 10-15 percent disinvestment from current ownership," Praful Patel told reporters on the sidelines of the India Economic Summit, but declined to set a timeline for the IPO. "Air India certainly needs more capital infusion for current asset acquisition requirements and for future growth," he said.

Erm, while PSU's don't need to show a track record of profits, investing in AI would be a sure way to lose money given NACIL's current state of finances...
been there, flown that
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:21 pm



Quoting Cricket (Reply 2):
Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
"We would like to see a 10-15 percent disinvestment from current ownership," Praful Patel told reporters on the sidelines of the India Economic Summit, but declined to set a timeline for the IPO. "Air India certainly needs more capital infusion for current asset acquisition requirements and for future growth," he said.

Erm, while PSU's don't need to show a track record of profits, investing in AI would be a sure way to lose money given NACIL's current state of finances...

Is this, by any chance, a hint of complete privatisation say, 5 to 10 years down the line...?

Also, once AI issues shares to the public, won't that put pressure on them to deliver results (financially)? Well....one can at least hope....  smile 

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 1):
A brief report on "India Aviation BPO to the world" event held at BLR

Thanks! That was a great report.....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:07 pm

Totally OT question. I was looking at Emirates for my SEA-BLR_SEA in feb. There is a 1 hr 45 min stop over in JFK. The delta flight from SEA arrives at JFK at 9:15pm and the EK flight leaves at 11:00pm. Delta appears to be in terminal 3 and EK in terminal 4. is 1 hr 45mins sufficient time to switch terminals in JFK?

Can someone recommend good travel agents for US-India flights? All fares appear to be above $1500 for SEA-BLR for travel in Feb 2008 at this time. should I wait for some more time to see if fares come down or is it the right time to purchase? I want to leave on Feb 1st or 2nd.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:16 pm



Quoting Planeboy (Reply 1):

Nice Info Thanks.

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 1):
I particularly liked the presentation by CTO of Blue Dart aviation giving details about their present IT strategy and how they have been able to integrate various front-end operations and back office processes through intelligent use of simple IT infrastructure, allowing them to survive and remain strong and profitalbe. It was like squeezing a decade long of experience to 30 minute presentation! Well done!

The Use of Technology not only related to Cargo/Courier tracking but also Mx & Flt ops is extensively used.
In Fact ARMS [Airplane Resourse Management System] is in place & works great.

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 1):
There were also presentations from Kale consultatns, Honeywell and by ICAO rep in India.

Who was the Honeywell rep.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:00 am

Article in Financial Times about AI privatization, may need registration:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b7d6744a-a368-11dc-b229-0000779fd2ac.html


Talks about the potential for a full IPO over 5 years, the political hurdles involved - Thulasidas' retirement and Patel's reelection in two years.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:16 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Who was the Honeywell rep.
regds
MEL

post some more on this event pls, cheers.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:31 pm



Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):
With the brilliant connectivity options my friends in Bangalore tells me it has, the odds are still not exactly good! Not for the airport, but for those travelling into BLR. Sad

It's a real shame. BIAL was to be symbolic of a new age, but local politics and corruption have stood in the way. Some say that making BLR a Union Territory is the only way out...

There were talks about an elevated rail/road, dedicated expressway but may take another decade to happen. They should keep HAL open until the road is built.

On another note (that I've remarked on before), they have only 9 airbridges. I presume that they will use buses to get pax to aircraft (42 stands in total).

The math for peak hour traffic:

27movements per hour/ no of bridges = 3 movements/bridge/hour = 20 mts. Is this feasible? Granted it's more a disembark/embark cycle, but isn't 40 minutes a bit quick for turning around a 777? Are there any metrics on this?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:17 pm



Quoting Blrsea (Reply 4):
is 1 hr 45mins sufficient time to switch terminals in JFK?

Certainly not enough time, according to me. Unless delta checks in your luggage through to your final destination and gives you a boarding pass for the Emirates flight. Even then, you have change terminals and go through that wretched JFK security, which can take more than an hour especially since you're flight is departing at 11pm. My sister took the same flight two days ago and she said getting through security was an hour long borefest.

Why not BA direct to BLR ?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:32 pm



Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):
With the brilliant connectivity options my friends in Bangalore tells me it has, the odds are still not exactly good

Being the home base and hub for IT, won't that provide a decent amount of connections within India and hopefully, to other international destinations in future....?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:13 pm



Quoting Cakentennis (Reply 12):
Why not BA direct to BLR ?

BA is $200 more expensive  Sad
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:21 am



Quoting Blrsea (Reply 4):
Totally OT question. I was looking at Emirates for my SEA-BLR_SEA in feb. There is a 1 hr 45 min stop over in JFK. The delta flight from SEA arrives at JFK at 9:15pm and the EK flight leaves at 11:00pm. Delta appears to be in terminal 3 and EK in terminal 4. is 1 hr 45mins sufficient time to switch terminals in JFK?

Can someone recommend good travel agents for US-India flights? All fares appear to be above $1500 for SEA-BLR for travel in Feb 2008 at this time. should I wait for some more time to see if fares come down or is it the right time to purchase? I want to leave on Feb 1st or 2nd.

= While this is totally a hassle (and something I'd never do), I was bored and priced this for you - you could probably get it down to USD 1325-ish with taxes by taking CI to BKK (USD 925), and then a separate ticket on UL to BLR (USD 400).

Cheers,
A.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:03 am



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
While this is totally a hassle (and something I'd never do), I was bored and priced this for you - you could probably get it down to USD 1325-ish with taxes by taking CI to BKK (USD 925), and then a separate ticket on UL to BLR (USD 400).

Thanks for your effort! However, I would rather avoid that hassle. Mainly because if my bags fail to turn up on time, it would be a problem. And I would have to cross immigration, go to baggage claim and pick up the bags etc.

If I had just carry-on luggage, maybe I would have given it serious thought though!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:51 am



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 13):
Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):
With the brilliant connectivity options my friends in Bangalore tells me it has, the odds are still not exactly good

Being the home base and hub for IT, won't that provide a decent amount of connections within India and hopefully, to other international destinations in future....?

I meant to the city centre, I doubt there is much VJM can do about that!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:19 pm



Quoting Blrsea (Reply 16):
Thanks for your effort! However, I would rather avoid that hassle. Mainly because if my bags fail to turn up on time, it would be a problem. And I would have to cross immigration, go to baggage claim and pick up the bags etc.

If I had just carry-on luggage, maybe I would have given it serious thought though!

Fly in from BKK to Bangalore and if your bags come off the belt with a little white chalk X on them you get to have a short interesting conversation with Customs.
"Any airline that wants to serve the [region] can go to DFW today and fly anywhere they want," WN spokesman Ed Stewart
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:23 pm



Quoting Cjpark (Reply 18):
Fly in from BKK to Bangalore and if your bags come off the belt with a little white chalk X on them you get to have a short interesting conversation with Customs

People can keep a little white hanky in their pockets to rub off the little white X....  Big grin Seems like a very primitive way of doing things....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:40 pm

As far as Aviation hubs in South India go.. What do you guys think of TRZ being a major hub, to avoid the congestion at MAA...especially a cargo hub, given the proximity to industrial areas ?

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:15 am

I just got back from JFK after sending off my 90-year old Dad escorted by my brother on 9W to BRU and on to MAA.

9W has a bank of counters (about 6) at AA's JFK T8. The terminal is shiny new, right next to the infamous AA terminal of yore.

We checked in at 4pm for the 6.55 pm flight and the experience was so-so, but not up to 9W standards. About half the agents were AA agents and this is a big mistake. 9W's passengers expect a certain kind of service, and clearly AA's staff (quite reasonably) had no understanding of that. They were trying to efficiently get pax to their seats, no more, no less.

We had some special seating requests that flummoxed our AA agent, and eventually had to call the 9W duty manager who sorted everything out quickly. 9W staff seem to thrive on thorny problems, but in all fairness, there is no reason for AA staff to go the extra mile for another airline.

9W is making a big mistake by letting AA handle 9W check-in as they are very different products, and the companies have very different corporate cultures. My main reason for choosing 9W was getting a certain service level at check-in, and it was disappointing not to get that.

Interestingly, the AA agents were good at their job - quite satisfactory had it been for a flight to the Caribbean. It's just that in comparison to premium brands like 9W, the difference really stands out.

I promised the 9W staff (at their request) that I'd write to Chairman Goyal suggesting an all-9W team at JFK. Having non-9W check-in staff is just not a good idea for the brand.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:48 am



Quoting Comorin (Reply 21):
Having non-9W check-in staff is just not a good idea for the brand.

Agreed. I don't understand how they wouldn't have the foresight to identify this as a potential problem in the first place. Check-In service is very important when it comes to an airline's image. Piss of a passenger at check-in, chances are they're going to feel negatively about the flight.

but but but... why didn't you take any pictures ?  Sad

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 14):
BA is $200 more expensive

I was going to suggest that $200 isn't that bad when it comes to avoiding all the hassle you will go through otherwise, but then again you'll have to transit through LHR, which is no fun.

Air France is another option. I strongly suggest booking your ticket through a travel agent for an international flight.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:19 am



Quoting Cakentennis (Reply 22):
but but but... why didn't you take any pictures ? Sad

Sorry! I didn't think you could, given airport security etc...

It's good to see Indian Aviation regaining respect with new flag carriers like 9W and IT, repairing the damage done by the public sector over the last few decades...
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:53 pm

Just read in one of the ethnic magazines here in the UK that 9W are discontinuing AMD-LHR from Jan 2008 due to poor response. (sorry no link). Is that true ? I was under the impression that both AI & 9W were doing well on their LHR-AMD flights & I have heard of quite a few people who have flown these flights in last couple of months. Surely LHR-India (any route) would be very very busy in Dec & Jan.

AI
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:02 pm



Quoting AI (Reply 24):
Surely LHR-India (any route) would be very very busy in Dec & Jan.

Apparaently, the loads one way ( LHR-AMD) are good , but less than 50% on the return. The opposite will be the case when the NRG season ends.

The aircraft are being re-deployed on the LHR-ATQ routes, where the loads are good both ways.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:46 pm

What are the plans of AI and 9W once the new BLR airport opens ? Any info on that ? Would new BLR become a Hub or a focus city . At least KingFisher seems to have big plans.

On a follow up what is the new BLR airport code ?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:21 pm



Quoting AI (Reply 24):
Just read in one of the ethnic magazines here in the UK that 9W are discontinuing AMD-LHR from Jan 2008 due to poor response. (sorry no link). Is that true ? I was under the impression that both AI & 9W were doing well on their LHR-AMD flights & I have heard of quite a few people who have flown these flights in last couple of months. Surely LHR-India (any route) would be very very busy in Dec & Jan.

AI

The problem with these flights are that the timings are not compatible for connecting passengers from the USA. I Tried my best to book a UA/9W out of O'Hare and it simply wouldn't work out. I'd imagine they'd have done a lot better if they had another time slot.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:17 pm



Quoting Blr2Syr (Reply 26):
On a follow up what is the new BLR airport code ?

As of now, BLR will remain BLR (same in HYD) - and much like the transfer happened from Kai Tak to Chep Lap Kok, the airport will switch seamlessly. But unlike HKG where there was a night embargo, I wonder what will happen particularly given the early morning bank of international departures. The night of March 27/28 will be interesting to say the laest. I hope to be there.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:00 pm



Quoting Cricket (Reply 28):
As of now, BLR will remain BLR (same in HYD) - and much like the transfer happened from Kai Tak to Chep Lap Kok, the airport will switch seamlessly.

But then from what i have read HAL airport shall be open to private aircrafts and may be in the future small commuter service to HYD and chennai - I am wondering if we are going to see a Wright amendment kind of situation in the future between BLR(HAL) and Bangalore International Airport (devanahalli).
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:58 pm

Jet Airways FA arrested in illegal immigrant racket - scary to think within months of operations to US, Jet employees have started "side business". Wonder if there are any background checks at all on whom they hire - especially to countries like US with different security requirements?

With Rs 1.8-lakh offer, kingpin roped in Jet airhostess at his Bandra boutique

At least 72 other airhostesses across the airline industry who applied for tourist visas this year to took their relatives to the US are under the scanner, the Crime Branch said.


http://www.indianexpress.com/story/247626.html
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:01 pm

MIHAN Airport in Nagpur, India?

I'd never heard about this before and randomly stumbled across this video on youtube. Can some of you shed light on this ?

 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:09 am



Quoting Cakentennis (Reply 31):
MIHAN Airport in Nagpur, India?

NAG is named after BR Ambedkar!

This must be some sort of promo material produced by Praful Patel's guys to promote NAG. Non-stop flights from Russsia to Australia????

Quoting Blr2Syr (Reply 29):
I am wondering if we are going to see a Wright amendment kind of situation in the future between BLR(HAL) and Bangalore International Airport (devanahalli)

I think the agreement between BIAL and the MoCA does not allow for that sort of situation, but people like the currently unemployed GR Gopinath have been screaming that HAL stays open for a limited number of domestic flights
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:19 pm



Quoting Cricket (Reply 32):
currently unemployed GR Gopinath

Has he been kicked out of Simplyfly Deccan? Or is he serving in some capacity on the board of kingfisher airlines.....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:44 pm



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 33):
Has he been kicked out of Simplyfly Deccan? Or is he serving in some capacity on the board of kingfisher airlines.....

I meant 'umemployed' tongue-in-cheek, he is still on the board, but it is VJM who takes the decisions
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:26 pm

It seems AI is operating the A310 on the BOM-NRT sector, in place of the 743.....so, what happened to the 743's? Are they undergoing conversion to freighters?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:04 pm

Air-India set to get Star Alliance tag on Dec 13.
http://www.business-standard.com/com...mnu1&subLeft=1&autono=307026&tab=r

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The announcement of Air-India’s induction into the Star Alliance, which has 17 airlines as members and one of the oldest and the largest airline alliances, is likely to be made on December 13 in Beijing. Air China will be the other airline which will join the alliance, said an Air-India executive, who did not want to be named.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:09 pm

Perform or perish: Patel to Air India
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/..._Air_India/articleshow/2612350.cms

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Country's national carrier Air India will have to perform and compete with the best in the industry, else it will "perish", Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel said of Monday. "I have no hesitation to say the government can support to an extent. Beyond that, they have to perform on their own or perish," he said.
As competition intensifies by the day, after a certain extent, the national carrier has to perform on its own, the minister said. "The people working in the airlines do not take certain issues as importantly or seriously in this era of competence," he said.

He castigated the media, saying that delays take place on many airlines, but the media invariably singles out the national carrier for criticism. "Delays take place on many airlines. I don't know why you people (media) have a fancy to take on only Air India. I take strong objection to that, saying this with remorse that there is little consideration shown to the national carrier," Patel told reporters during the Civil Aviation safety week organised here.

The Minister said issues like non-availability of new fleet, ongoing Haj pilgrimage and VVIP movement also needed to be taken in consideration as they also lead to inordinate delays. The minister advised the media to be more responsible in reporting in the wake of constraints faced by Air India in its operations.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:08 pm



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 37):
Perform or perish: Patel to Air India

I hope he "walks-the-walk"
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:29 pm

Austrian to fly Chennai next year.
http://www.expresstravelworld.com/200711/aviationworld07.shtml

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Austrian Airlines is looking to add Chennai as the third Indian city that it will fly to from the second half of 2008. Speaking to Express AviationWorld, Amey Amladi, general manager (Western and Southern India), Austrian Airlines said, "At present we are flying to Delhi and Mumbai and are in our tenth year of operations to the capital city. By the second half of 2008 we are looking to add Chennai, a southern point to our network subjected to government approvals."

Dwelling further on the current increase in flights from Mumbai, Amladi stated, "We are beginning our daily operations from Mumbai to Vienna from 1st November from the current five flights a week. International business and corporate travel is on the rise and a daily flight is the need of the hour." The carrier would be using a Boeing 767-300 aircraft for this operation.

The Mumbai-Vienna daily flight will allow the passenger to exploit Austrian Airlines' network within Europe and beyond to the United States - New York, Washington, Chicago and Toronto in Canada. Speaking on the stiff competition on the Indo-US route, "There is enough business and room for everybody to grow," concluded Amladi.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:14 am

Increase in foreign tourists visiting India.
http://publication.samachar.com/pub_...rl=http://publication.samachar.com

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Maintaining a double-digit growth, tourist arrivals in the country has increased by 12.7 per cent this year, according to latest figures released by the Ministry of Tourism and Culture here.

Last year, the number fell short of four million mark with 39,05,596 foreigners visiting India. By November this year, a total of 44,02,045 tourists have visited the country and the figure is expected to rise by the year-end.

The foreign exchange earnings due to this have also gone up by 25.8 percent this year. The forex earnings increased from $ 5,746 million last year to $ 7,231 million this year.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:27 am

Jet Airways seeking hub in Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur or Singapore. I hope they choose BKK, an ideal location geographically, and my favourite transit point for travel to MAA.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/b..._Bangkok_Kuala_Lumpur_or_Singapore

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India's Jet Airways is seeking a hub for its South-East Asian and North Asian operations out of Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur or Singapore, the airline's executive vice-president said in a published report on Tuesday. The decision will hinge on where the airline finds a suitable code-share and feed partner, said Sudheer Raghavan.

The airline is seeking an arrangement similar to one it has at its European hub in Brussels, where it partners Brussels Airlines for European and North American connections.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:18 am



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 41):
Jet Airways seeking hub in Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur or Singapore

I'm not clear why they need a hub in these cities? What are the beyond points they're thinking of serving from these hubs? India-BRU-North america is one thing - but India-SouthEastAsia-NorthAsia/Oz is another altogether, so I'm not sure what purpose this new hub would serve?
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:54 pm



Quoting VTMAA (Reply 38):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 37):
Perform or perish: Patel to Air India

I hope he "walks-the-walk"

My mom flew AI from DEL-Frankfurt two weeks ago and the flight was 6 hours late leaving DEL. The service was horrible and she missed her connection to IAD. That was her first and last time flying AI.

I had purchased the ticket from travelocity.com and on the itinerary it was supposed to be a LH flight.
Oh well..
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:16 pm



Quoting Cricket (Reply 34):
I meant 'umemployed' tongue-in-cheek, he is still on the board, but it is VJM who takes the decisions

Matter of time.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:53 pm



Quoting Nimish (Reply 42):
I'm not clear why they need a hub in these cities? What are the beyond points they're thinking of serving from these hubs? India-BRU-North america is one thing - but India-SouthEastAsia-NorthAsia/Oz is another altogether, so I'm not sure what purpose this new hub would serve?

Beyond points could be HKG, 3-4 cities in China, Taipei, NRT, ICN in NE Asia; 2-3 cities in Australia/New Zealand, and KL, SIN, and Manila. It may work for many Indian cities, but DEL-NE Asia will involve significant backtracking.

I wonder if he will build/buy a hotel at BKK(or KL or SIN) and get into the business of organised tours to these destinations from India.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:13 pm



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 45):
I wonder if he will build/buy a hotel at BKK(or KL or SIN) and get into the business of organised tours to these destinations from India.

Better to tie up with an existing hotel chain rather than get into that business.....better for 9W to focus on their core competency, which is operating flights....most airlines that got into the hotel business have subsequently got out of it.....
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:02 pm



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 46):
Better to tie up with an existing hotel chain rather than get into that business.....better for 9W to focus on their core competency, which is operating flights....most airlines that got into the hotel business have subsequently got out of it.....

You may be right. However, Jet has chosen to build a hotel at BRU for accommodating its crew, and to bring tourists from India. Time will tell.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:57 pm



Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 43):
I had purchased the ticket from travelocity.com and on the itinerary it was supposed to be a LH flight.
Oh well..

Real sorry for what your mother went through, and every right never to give your buck to Ai in the future , but one question what were the LH flight numbers??

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:59 pm



Quoting Nimish (Reply 42):
I'm not clear why they need a hub in these cities? What are the beyond points they're thinking of serving from these hubs? India-BRU-North america is one thing - but India-SouthEastAsia-NorthAsia/Oz is another altogether, so I'm not sure what purpose this new hub would serve?

Thats what I thought too when I read the news report. They can pretty much fly directly from India to any point in Asia including Japan & Korea using the 777 and A333s. Do they really need a hub for Australia? Wouldn't 773ER or 772LR fly non-stop from India to Oz? Why do they need this hub?
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:34 pm



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 47):
However, Jet has chosen to build a hotel at BRU for accommodating its crew, and to bring tourists from India.

Ohhhh..... I didn't know that.....well, inspite of what I said above, I would love to see Jet Airways successfully diversifying into the hotel business.....just because others failed doesn't mean they also will.....

What are they going to call this hotel they are building at BRU, by the way...?
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:57 pm



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 50):
What are they going to call this hotel they are building at BRU, by the way...?

No names mentioned. It is to be a five star hotel with about 500 rooms, and an Indian restaurant to cater to Indian tourists. IIRC, they expect to use about 250 rooms for its crew, and the rest for others.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 65

Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:46 pm



Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 43):
My mom flew AI from DEL-Frankfurt two weeks ago and the flight was 6 hours late leaving DEL. The service was horrible and she missed her connection to IAD. That was her first and last time flying AI.

Sounds like deja vu to me. It happened it 2005 for me and made that first and last time decision at that time. Hasn't changed much since then, I guess.

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