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US Future Longhaul Service

Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:24 pm

US has been slowly adding service to PHX. Why? Parker said he will expand domestically and internationally soon. When?

Domestic- This should happen shortly, there are many routes in the US system that are not served by PHX.

ALB,BUF,PBI,LIT,PVD,SDF,BNA,CVG,MSY,RSW,ORF,MHT

Internationally-Some routes wouldn't be able to be served until US gets longer range AC.

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Is CDG possible?
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:37 pm



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Lima

If US opens LIM (or any other South American city), it'll be from CLT.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

ALB,BUF,PBI,LIT,PVD,SDF,BNA,CVG,MSY,RSW,ORF,MHT



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

Lima,LIR,CZM,SJU, LGW,FRA,YUL,NRT,GUA

Is CDG possible?

I'd say absolutly all of these are possible. Remember, you can fill a plane with connecting passengers at the right price. I would also say ICN is possible for onward star alliance connections. SYD and AKL are possible too. US won't do any routes that don't make sense though, and LIM and LIR might not.

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[Edited 2007-12-04 15:16:05]
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:26 pm



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Is CDG possible?

Given that CLT-CDG has flopped, I have my doubts about PHX-CDG.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:30 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):

Agreed, PHX-CDG would likely not work out to well, But then again who knows!

Personally I think the most likely International route to be added from Phoenix will be either PHX-FRA or PHX-LGW, Perhaps if those are successful US can add more international cities.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:32 pm



Quoting Treebeard787 (Reply 4):
Personally I think the most likely International route to be added from Phoenix will be either PHX-FRA or PHX-LGW, Perhaps if those are successful US can add more international cities.

I think that's correct; FWIW, I think FRA is somewhat more likely unless FRA presents operational problems that LGW (or LHR, who knows?) does not.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:39 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
CLT-CDG

did they operate that? i dont think they did..??
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:53 am



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
did they operate that? i dont think they did..??

There was a time a few years ago when you could to to CDG, FRA, AMS, and some other European destinations from any of US's hubs (PHL, PIT, CLT). Since then they've been moving routes because of load (or lack of) and growth out of PHL.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
If US opens LIM (or any other South American city), it'll be from CLT.

From what I remember, there was a blurb a few weeks ago about CLT-BOG, which caused some speculation that US's entry into the South American market would be based out of CLT. Seems like a logical strategy.

I would also bet the use of CLT to maximizes use of widebody ranges for routes down south. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the longest range (and only) aircraft that US has that could make PHL-GIG, as an example, is their 762ER. Their A333's don't have the legs from PHL, but may from CLT. Same thing for the BOG route, which is doable by A319 from CLT, but I'm not sure about PHL.

I'm sure there's StarAlliance connecting traffic considerations for the choice of CLT over PHX as well. Just my thoughts though.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:58 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
If US opens LIM (or any other South American city), it'll be from CLT.



Quoting PHXmd80 (Reply 2):
US won't do any routes that don't make sense though, and LIM and LIR might not.

Considering that 45% of California residents are Hispanic and the same goes for Las Vegas, Phoenix and New Mexico, I would not be surprised if US Airways starts additional service to South/Central America from Phoenix. They already have extensive service to Mexico from PHX.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:02 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
Considering that 45% of California residents are Hispanic and the same goes for Las Vegas, Phoenix and New Mexico, I would not be surprised if US Airways starts additional service to South/Central America from Phoenix. They already have extensive service to Mexico from PHX.

True, but I have to imagine such service would coincide with the arrival of new aircraft after 2009.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:43 am



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Domestic- This should happen shortly, there are many routes in the US system that are not served by PHX.

ALB,BUF,PBI,LIT,PVD,SDF,BNA,CVG,MSY,RSW,ORF,MHT

They've already tried markets like PHX-BNA/PBI, with limited success.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Given that CLT-CDG has flopped, I have my doubts about PHX-CDG.



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
did they operate that? i dont think they did..??

Well you're wrong, since they certainly did operate CLT-CDG.

Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 7):
There was a time a few years ago when you could to to CDG, FRA, AMS, and some other European destinations from any of US's hubs (PHL, PIT, CLT).

That's not at all true. There has been PIT/CLT service to LGW/FRA/CDG. That's all, no other European destinations.

Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 7):
From what I remember, there was a blurb a few weeks ago about CLT-BOG, which caused some speculation that US's entry into the South American market would be based out of CLT. Seems like a logical strategy.

Yes, US plans to apply for CLT-BOG authority.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:02 am

How about just something simple like PHX-MIA? AA is starting a 737, where was US? Direct to MIA removes so many hassles that even if it was 1x daily it might attract good traffic.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:10 am



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
did they operate that? i dont think they did..??

I thought they did as well. I know they now serve LGW and FRA from CLT. I wonder if AMS would work from PHX, although there isn't any feed at AMS I don't think. LHR would be sure to work with BMI there to provide feed at the other end... But I suppose there's sufficient O&D to make the route(s) work...
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:19 am



Quoting A330323X (Reply 10):
That's not at all true. There has been PIT/CLT service to LGW/FRA/CDG. That's all, no other European destinations.

I have no way to look back and check, but I swear I remember putting my gf on a DEN-CLT-AMS flight and thinking how much I really wanted her to be on the PHL-AMS route because they had just started using the A333's. But I could be mistaken.

Either way, every TATL experience I've had on US has been a good one.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:17 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
Considering that 45% of California residents are Hispanic and the same goes for Las Vegas, Phoenix and New Mexico, I would not be surprised if US Airways starts additional service to South/Central America from Phoenix. They already have extensive service to Mexico from PHX.

CLT is in a better location to catch passengers from every originating market in the country (vs. PHX). They are going to connect somewhere, and out of all the US hubs, CLT is the one that would involve the least amount of "backtracking" flights.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:15 pm



Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 7):
Same thing for the BOG route, which is doable by A319 from CLT, but I'm not sure about PHL.

When AC began operations into BOG some years ago they operated an A319 YYZ-BOG-YYZ, so I guess it is capable.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:25 pm



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Domestic- This should happen shortly, there are many routes in the US system that are not served by PHX.

ALB,BUF,PBI,LIT,PVD,SDF,BNA,CVG,MSY,RSW,ORF,MHT

WN competition and yields being way too low precludes most of those from ever starting.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
If US opens LIM (or any other South American city), it'll be from CLT.

US has no plans to open LIM.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 10):
They've already tried markets like PHX-BNA/PBI, with limited success.

It was actually LAS-BNA/PBI, hence the limited success

Quoting Hondah35 (Reply 11):
How about just something simple like PHX-MIA? AA is starting a 737, where was US? Direct to MIA removes so many hassles that even if it was 1x daily it might attract good traffic.

HP/US flew PHX-MIA for a number of years. It was not profitable especially since they are now able to connect pax via CLT.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:05 pm

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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:24 pm



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
I wonder if AMS would work from PHX, although there isn't any feed at AMS I don't think.

AMS is rumoured to be PHL's worst performing TATL route...

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 16):
US has no plans to open LIM.

Didn't say they did, but if they decide to go to LIM at some point, it will be from CLT. A 320 can make CLT-LIM; a 752 would be required for PHX-LIM.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:54 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
AMS is rumoured to be PHL's worst performing TATL route...

Oh I know, I have heard that myself, but could PHX possibly do better than PHL, or would it do worse since PHL is the airline's main international gateway?
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:05 pm

WN cut 1 or the 2 PVD-PHX flights in October. I think there could be room for 1X US (morning departure). There are so many smaller, higher yielding connecting itineraries via PHX (FAT, BFL, etc.) and major connections to the Mexican Rivieria that would certainly help fill the plane with more than just locals and $99.00 each way PVD-LAX passengers.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:22 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Is CDG possible?

Given that CLT-CDG has flopped, I have my doubts about PHX-CDG.

I just would not see the need. Is there a large local market between Phoenix and Paris? Given that there are several stations that offer non-stop service in the western part of the country (LAX, SFO, SLC, SEA) to CDG, PHX would have to survive off connections that would be tough to grab.

Quoting PHXmd80 (Reply 2):
Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

ALB,BUF,PBI,LIT,PVD,SDF,BNA,CVG,MSY,RSW,ORF,MHT



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

Lima,LIR,CZM,SJU, LGW,FRA,YUL,NRT,GUA

Is CDG possible?

I'd say absolutly all of these are possible. Remember, you can fill a plane with connecting passengers at the right price. I would also say ICN is possible for onward star alliance connections. SYD and AKL are possible too. US won't do any routes that don't make sense though, and LIM and LIR might not.

PHXmd80

[Edited 2007-12-04 15:16:05]

I assume you are kidding about US operating to SYD, AKL, ICN out of PHX.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 20):
WN cut 1 or the 2 PVD-PHX flights in October. I think there could be room for 1X US (morning departure). There are so many smaller, higher yielding connecting itineraries via PHX (FAT, BFL, etc.) and major connections to the Mexican Rivieria that would certainly help fill the plane with more than just locals and $99.00 each way PVD-LAX passengers.

I am surprised to hear that WN has cut on the PVD-PHX flights. Those must have easily been the gateway flights for PVD-West Coast.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:33 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 16):
WN competition and yields being way too low precludes most of those from ever starting

Thankfully, WN only has one PHX-MSY right now, so the market is def. there for US to add another departure...preferably a RON in MSY, as the WN flight is pretty much mid day in both directions. HP flew the route for five years I think it was. I'm shocked that it hasn't been added already, as are the US folks in MSY.

[Edited 2007-12-05 09:35:44]
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:45 pm



Quoting B752OS (Reply 21):
I assume you are kidding about US operating to SYD, AKL, ICN out of PHX.

I did't say they would operate, i said they were possible. ICN and AKL probably never will happen on US. Thats not to say OZ or NZ, being star alliance carriers, won't ever operate them though. If US decides to fly to Oceania someday, PHX will be the gateway.

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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:04 pm



Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 7):
There was a time a few years ago when you could to to CDG, FRA, AMS, and some other European destinations from any of US's hubs (PHL, PIT, CLT). Since then they've been moving routes because of load (or lack of) and growth out of PHL.

really i never knew that....... when??????
do you think CLT-CDG will come back, I think it seems profitable.

Didnt BOS and BWI have transatlantic US service? When?
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:06 pm

Why do some keep saying CLT- CDG was a flop? The route did well until 9/11 and then it was dropped. Many routes have been dropped by the airlines right after 9/11, but that does not mean they were a flop! US already serves CDG and there were other markets they wanted to get into, not to mention they dragged their feet big time on acquiring aircraft for TATL Ops.

According to Parker US intends to restart CLT-CDG. He did not give a definite time frame, but has indicated it will return. My guess is when the A330-200 start arriving this route will be reinstated, but probably with a 767.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:14 pm



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 20):
WN cut 1 or the 2 PVD-PHX flights in October. I think there could be room for 1X US (morning departure). There are so many smaller, higher yielding connecting itineraries via PHX (FAT, BFL, etc.) and major connections to the Mexican Rivieria that would certainly help fill the plane with more than just locals and $99.00 each way PVD-LAX passengers.

Perhaps there would be room, but it doesn't mean US will fly it. Don't forget that WN dropped their frequency for a reason. What makes you think that US will dedicate a A319 for at least 11 hours of block time to chase after such meager revenue? PVD is a very oversaturated market when it comes to transcontinental competition. WN's yields are only 5.5 cents on the PVD-PHX O&D route...and LAX is worse. And those high-yield cities like BFL, FAT and the Mexican Riviera from PVD...all average 1 pax per day or less. WIth that said, you might very well see US step into the nonstop PVD-PHX market if WN files for bankruptcy and liquidates.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:16 pm



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
Considering that 45% of California residents are Hispanic and the same goes for Las Vegas, Phoenix and New Mexico, I would not be surprised if US Airways starts additional service to South/Central America from Phoenix. They already have extensive service to Mexico from PHX.

Just because you are Hispanic doesn't mean one is flocking to South America. Hispanics from the Western United States are predominately from Mexico, El Salvador, and Guatemala. In addition, L.A. does have sizable Colombian, Nicaraguan, and Peruvian communities. I would be shocked if US Airways goes to South/Central America from Phoenix and think it is extremely unlikely.

Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 13):

I have no way to look back and check, but I swear I remember putting my gf on a DEN-CLT-AMS flight and thinking how much I really wanted her to be on the PHL-AMS route because they had just started using the A333's. But I could be mistaken.

They never flew CLT-AMS.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:28 pm

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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:26 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
Just because you are Hispanic doesn't mean one is flocking to South America. Hispanics from the Western United States are predominately from Mexico, El Salvador, and Guatemala. In addition, L.A. does have sizable Colombian, Nicaraguan, and Peruvian communities. I would be shocked if US Airways goes to South/Central America from Phoenix and think it is extremely unlikely.

You're right, a big hispanic population doesn't mean a huge demand to Brazil, Argentina, or Peru. And most of the markets you mention (Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala) are already served from LAX, so a PHX connection wouldn't be too enticing.

The only flight I can see working that isn't to Mexico would be SJO and maybe LIR due to tourist traffic.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:29 am

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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:36 am



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 24):
do you think CLT-CDG will come back, I think it seems profitable.

It'll come back eventually, when US has the right equipment for it. But I wouldn't assume that it'll automatically be the first transatlantic route added at CLT for US.

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 25):
Why do some keep saying CLT- CDG was a flop?

Because it was.

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 25):
The route did well until 9/11 and then it was dropped.

No, PIT-CDG was doing well until 9/11 and then was dropped.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 28):
did they fly bos-fra and bwi-lgw

Yes.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
They never flew CLT-AMS.

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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:40 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
I would be shocked if US Airways goes to South/Central America from Phoenix and think it is extremely unlikely.

Actually I agree completely. But by the same token, I would also be shocked to see US Airways start either Transpacific or Transatlantic service from Phoenix. This thread has been an exercise in wishful thinking.

However, I still think additional service to Latin American is quite possible. While service to Europe or Asia from PHX would require widebodies and be hard to fill, service to El Salvador, Costa Rica or Guatemala could be run with A319s which do not require a huge commitment in resources.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:30 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 32):
PHX would require widebodies and be hard to fill, service to El Salvador, Costa Rica or Guatemala could be run with A319s which do not require a huge commitment in resources.

They already fly PHX-SJO and it's a poor performing route. Used to be daily, now seasonal and Saturday-only, IIRC.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:08 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):

I think that's correct; FWIW, I think FRA is somewhat more likely unless FRA presents operational problems that LGW (or LHR, who knows?) does not.

Operational, not really. The 762ERs can make either flight and the A333s can make neither. The A332s really are needed to start this.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 16):

WN competition and yields being way too low precludes most of those from ever starting.

Hmmm, really? Then how does WN pull in a yield PREMIUM over the legacies?
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:28 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Hmmm, really? Then how does WN pull in a yield PREMIUM over the legacies?

On PVD-PHX, they don't. Due to the nature of the nonstop route combined with their low-cost structure, their CASM is significantly lower than competitors in that market, hence they are able to forfeit some of the route premium they enjoy on other routes.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:13 pm



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 40):
What about for 2008?



Quoting John (Reply 43):
Nothing so far from PHL will be added for 2008

"So far" is the key phrase here.  Wink

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Quoting John (Reply 43):
No word yet on A340 equipment and exactly how many frames

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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:18 pm



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 39):
The 332 should work. Keep in mind EI flies DUB-LAX with a 274 pax configuration.

However, FRA-PHX is ~450 miles longer, and PHX is 1000 feet higher... I tend to think, though, that the 332 could make PHX-FRA without a problem.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:50 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 45):
I tend to think, though, that the 332 could make PHX-FRA without a problem.

Certainly. I think they will fly it in 2010 or so.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:02 pm



Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 7):
There was a time a few years ago when you could to to CDG, FRA, AMS, and some other European destinations from any of US's hubs (PHL, PIT, CLT).

They never flew to AMS from PIT. They were about to apply for PIT-AMS but 9-11 killed that... For the forseable future, I would expect to see US build up longhaul at PHL and PHX, and not so much out of CLT, although I saw that there was a rumored S.American route talked about out of CLT by US... Is US going to file for Bogota or was that just a rumor?
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:53 pm



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 35):

On PVD-PHX, they don't. Due to the nature of the nonstop route combined with their low-cost structure, their CASM is significantly lower than competitors in that market, hence they are able to forfeit some of the route premium they enjoy on other routes.

Their CASM is significantly lower than competitors in almost every market, namely due to efficiency. The yield premium they command is because of their infinitely more flexible fare structure.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 45):

However, FRA-PHX is ~450 miles longer, and PHX is 1000 feet higher... I tend to think, though, that the 332 could make PHX-FRA without a problem.

Despite PHX-FRA being longer and PHX being both hotter and higher, there is plenty of pad in the A332's still air range to make the flight.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:56 pm



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
ALB,BUF,PBI,LIT,PVD,SDF,BNA,CVG,MSY,RSW,ORF,MHT

Wow I am suprised they don't serve some of these cties from PHX. One would think colder places like ALB, BUF, and PVD would be gold mine routes for people wanting to escape the cold in the winter.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:29 pm



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 49):
One would think colder places like ALB, BUF, and PVD would be gold mine routes for people wanting to escape the cold in the winter.

They are for WN.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:08 pm



Quoting B752OS (Reply 41):
I know US used to fly BOS-FRA on a 762

when did they fly BOS-FRA and BWI-LGW?
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:39 pm



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 22):
I'm shocked that it hasn't been added already, as are the US folks in MSY.

I spoke with some the other day and others from HQ in PHX, they said definately not going to happen for another few years.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:02 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 48):
Their CASM is significantly lower than competitors in almost every market, namely due to efficiency. The yield premium they command is because of their infinitely more flexible fare structure.

BINGO!

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 49):
One would think colder places like ALB, BUF, and PVD would be gold mine routes for people wanting to escape the cold in the winter

That has nothing to do with revenue generation nor would they be profitable for US. WN is a direct competitor in those markets, but why should I have to repeat myself? Just refer to......

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 16):
WN competition and yields being way too low precludes most of those from ever starting.



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 26):
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 20):
WN cut 1 or the 2 PVD-PHX flights in October. I think there could be room for 1X US (morning departure). There are so many smaller, higher yielding connecting itineraries via PHX (FAT, BFL, etc.) and major connections to the Mexican Rivieria that would certainly help fill the plane with more than just locals and $99.00 each way PVD-LAX passengers.

Perhaps there would be room, but it doesn't mean US will fly it. Don't forget that WN dropped their frequency for a reason. What makes you think that US will dedicate a A319 for at least 11 hours of block time to chase after such meager revenue? PVD is a very oversaturated market when it comes to transcontinental competition. WN's yields are only 5.5 cents on the PVD-PHX O&D route...and LAX is worse. And those high-yield cities like BFL, FAT and the Mexican Riviera from PVD...all average 1 pax per day or less. WIth that said, you might very well see US step into the nonstop PVD-PHX market if WN files for bankruptcy and liquidates.

.......
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:08 am



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 53):

BINGO!

In that case, the legacies should have some deep thoughts about adopting a similar structure.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:32 am

US flew BWI-LGW up until 9/11 I believe, but don't quote me on that. I do know it was still in operation when BWI ceased to be a hub. It was also one of the wet-lease flights we had with BA, CLT-LGW was the other and I think PIT-LGW was the 3rd. BWI-LGW was one of the 3 routes we purchased from TWA. The other 2 authorities were moved to PHL and PIT.

IIRC for a very short time PIT-LGW operated PIT-BOS-LGW. It was quite some time ago and my memory is not that great on this.
 
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:46 pm



Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 55):
US flew BWI-LGW up until 9/11 I believe, but don't quote me on that.

It was dropped about a decade before that.

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 55):
IIRC for a very short time PIT-LGW operated PIT-BOS-LGW.

No, it didn't.
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RE: US Future Longhaul Service

Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:52 pm

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