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Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:38 pm

I just dont like it from an advertising point of view, they are all valid points from BD they would have to be.

I would hate to see EI start mentioning other airlines in their marketing, they are currently running quality adverts although some of them are quite plain and the aerlingus.com logo is a bit too small on some adverts. I didn't like the red dot but it was bold, it jumped off the page/screen and it didn't really matter what size it was. The new logo is "quiet" and not as bold so to make it jump off the screen they need to have bigger.

I made this yesterday and used a big (maybe a bit too big) aerlingus.com logo which stands out much more. Most people dont even look at adverts in papers and they may not read the contents of the advert but they will look at the website logo and the bigger it is the more likely it is that it will stay in their mind.

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Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:43 am

OK, I've tried my hat at an EI print ad.... Ive based it on the "one region, one price" promotion which I always quite liked.

The first one is based around city images, Ive chosen cities not typically associated with EI (LON, NYC) and chosen the new destinations where possible...

The second one is based around country flags


Brian.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:02 am



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 50):
I made this yesterday and used a big (maybe a bit too big) aerlingus.com logo

Nice design Shamrock350, as usual a really good ad.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 51):
OK, I've tried my hat at an EI print ad

Brian your talents are endless LOL.... I like the bit explaining they get food . When I flew from DUB-SNN the flight was going onwards. The Americans getting off to clear immigration before getting back on asked the crew if they got free food on the SNN-USA flight. So it needs to be emphasised.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:38 am

Hey guys, just some info, Lufthansa's brand spanking new A321(D-AISH) is in DUB tonight and i got a good look at it, it has no name as yet(German cities). Standing in the airbridge i could get that "new car smell" and inside is fab, the new lighting looks great. So if anyone is going to FRA in the morning, enjoy your flight!!! Seems to be the new phrase around here lately!!
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:19 am

Always nice to fly in a brand new aircraft; thankfully, it's something we get to experience quite regularly now, with all the new aircraft from EI and FR.

I'm surprised LH is operating a 321 on the overnight flight; it's normally a 319. Do you have any idea of what kind of loads they have on this trip?
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:24 am



Quoting EireRock (Reply 53):
Hey guys,

Do you work for Sky? Only asking because I used to?
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Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 69):
Thanks EISHN, I want to keep making them just as a hobby and then once I think I have a wide enough range I might send them to EI, wont do any harm.

You really should at some stage.

Quoting Bramble (Reply 70):
I do miss the large J loads on EI. Can remember the A321 with the divider at row 23. And always someone would think they were being shoved down into Y! Very busy flites but great sense of achievement doing a DUB-LHR sector packed to the gills in less than 45 mins

23 rows, that's impressive. What were loads like in J on other European, and U.K. route?
What do you guys think loads in J would be like today on EI, if they had not removed it from S/H.
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:09 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 65):
There is often than not more J class than Y class on my flights I ve been on . One time I thought they had put me in Y class instead of J class. I was way down the back !!!

Ha ha, i had to look twice to see if i was mistaken!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 65):
They are OK but if you go LX you will see the difference. Funny as they are owned by LH. They have kept the unique LX product thank god. I have had a few not so good LH J class experiences.

This surprises me, if i was travelling J class with LH i would hope to be well looked after.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 65):
They just dont have that edge that LX has.

Well judging from your previous TR's on LX this would seem to be the case, LX seem to provide a really great J service, il have to try it someday!
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:13 pm



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 68):
I'd say the business class market in and out of Ireland on European flights would probably be bigger than you think. I know for a fact many complaints were aired to the IDA when EI did away with its s/h business class.
We're not a super economic power warrenting substantial business class services, but we've certainly come very far in the past 25 years or so and even from the Ireland I left in 1992.

I would agree with you on his Toulouse, and id bet that if EI were to re-introduce J class on some of their European s/h routes they would get a pleasant surprise in the amount of interest and bookings.
 
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Quoting EISHN (Reply 67):
That's interesting to hear. I wouldn't think that there would really be that a big of a business class market in and out of Ireland.

Frankfurt has a huge banking center incl the European Central Bank . I guess that helps the J class loads.

Quoting EireRock (Reply 72):
Well judging from your previous TR's on LX this would seem to be the case, LX seem to provide a really great J service, il have to try it someday!

LOL...well yes and even though i love Swiss , if I had a bad flight you know Id tell you. I say it like it is and if somethings wrong then I say it . Actually something I forgot to add to my TR was that on the ZRH-SKH-ZRH the sink in the J class toilets was taped over with silver foil like stuff. The sink was bust !!! I went to go to the toilet and saw it right away. I told the FA that maybe I should just go to the ones at the back . She apologised twice and thanked me for my understanding. She said if they had have gone to fix it then the flight would be delayed. So I guess it was better to fly and it didn't bother me . Especially as they were genuinely apologetic about it and these things happen from time to time.

I have had good LH flights and I did FRA-JFK on a 744 in J class and it was fantastic. Also their A300 flights FRA-ATH are very good also. I also did MUC-DXB but that was just ok , nothing to write home about but nothing to complain about either.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:37 pm



Quoting Bramble (Reply 70):
Can remember the A321 with the divider at row 23.

Impressive, even more so goven hat the config was 3-2 on those a/c and not the 2-2 now seen on LH and LX, so up to 115 passengers.

By the time they dropped premier on the LHR runs the loads were nothing like that, the last flight I took with a J cabin has about 5 rows, and even then there we quite a few free seats. Of course loads on the ORK-LHR in J would always have been that bit lower I guess, I suppose the deli-bag was not the best move, and at that stage a free coffee/tea /OJ and biscuit were still served, so most did not bother. Shame. What are J loads on BD like?

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Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:41 pm

It's great to know that LH is putting a 321 on these overnight flights; not so long ago, we were talking about the possibility of LH pulling this route; now, we can also look forward to other LH routes next year. Perhaps even the DUB-MUC route?

One carrier I'm surprised not to see back is Austrian, given that they have such a good hub at VIE; I know EI has a flight there, but OS has the hub advantage (as well as being a full service carrier).
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:27 pm



Quoting EireRock (Reply 62):
Fantastic airline, one of my favourites

Absolutley, always a pleasure to fly with LH, i've used them to FRA a good few times and i would never
have a bad word to say about them, top class service worth paying the extra few euros!!
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:45 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 76):
Perhaps even the DUB-MUC route?

Yep MUC is next on the list but not for at least end 2008 .

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 76):
One carrier I'm surprised not to see back is Austrian, given that they have such a good hub at VIE

I miss OS . They are up there with LX IMHO. I flew alot of times DUB-VIE overnight stop then onto ATH or BEG. The stop in Vienna was great and the OS service is excellent.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:37 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 74):
J class toilets was taped over with silver foil like stuff.

Most probably "speed tape", widely used in aircraft maintenance and sticks like nothing else!!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 74):
She said if they had have gone to fix it then the flight would be delayed. So I guess it was better to fly and it didn't bother me . Especially as they were genuinely apologetic about it and these things happen from time to time.

Happens so often you wouldnt believe but its good you were understanding about it, nothing worse than someone being a pain in the ass cause the sink doesn't work.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 76):
It's great to know that LH is putting a 321 on these overnight flights

Usually once or twice a week you would see an A321, more often an A319 or A320 but agreed Kaitak, great to see the A321 in DUB.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 76):
One carrier I'm surprised not to see back is Austrian, given that they have such a good hub at VIE; I know EI has a flight there, but OS has the hub advantage (as well as being a full service carrier).

Would be great to see them back in DUB, heres hoping for 2008.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 75):
What are J loads on BD like?

Brian, from what ive seen, J loads seem to very good on BD, especially the early departure(BD120). After all they are the only airline offering J class to LHR from DUB.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:47 pm



Quoting EireRock (Reply 79):
Most probably "speed tape", widely used in aircraft maintenance and sticks like nothing else!!

LOL.....it looked like the stuff thats on your tube of pringles that you cant get off LOL......

Looks like Westlife are Aviation fans also :::::::::::



Dodgy engines though !!!
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:07 pm

MOL is on Prime Time tonight at 9.30 pm RTE 1 with the irish Aviation Regulator should make some good viewing!!!!
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:51 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 80):
Dodgy engines though !!!

Thats the plane off Casino Royal, it's based over in the UK at the Top Gear Track. (based because it can't fly) It's based at Dunsfold if I remember correctly.
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Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 82):
Thats the plane off Casino Royal, it's based over in the UK at the Top Gear Track. (based because it can't fly) It's based at Dunsfold if I remember correctly.

I thought Id seen it somewhere before LOL..... what were the seats they are siiting in ??? Is it just a mock up ???
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:00 pm

havn't got a clue, your guess is as good as mine.
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:05 pm



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 84):
havn't got a clue, your guess is as good as mine.

The video is the best bit . At least you can have it on mute and just watch the aircraft/airport/Cabin LOL.....
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:31 pm

The seats look a bit like UA.


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It's the closest match I could find, I'd say it's just a mock up.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:34 pm



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 86):
The seats look a bit like UA.


Yes slightly different but good match. I love those J class UA seats. They are so comfortable and many a good nights sleep I have had on them, I prefer them to the flatbeds although the new UA flatbeds look really nice.
 
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 87):
They are so comfortable and many a good nights sleep I have had on them, I prefer them to the flatbeds although the new UA flatbeds look really nice.

I like those style seats, lie flat seats are modern but it can be very hit and miss in terms of comfort. The Aer Lingus Premier seats are very comfortable and it will be a shame to see them go as the lie flat seats slowly replace them. I'm glad BD are keeping their seats at Premium Economy seats, they arent as stylish as the lie flat seats but always provide a comfortable journey.

The new UA beds look great, a welcome improvement not to mention the 15" PTVs!
 
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Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 88):
The new UA beds look great, a welcome improvement not to mention the 15" PTVs!

Yeah the PTV's are a big plus . My Fav is the SQ ones in the new J class. They are amazing. Some flat beds can be like sleeping on a plank of wood.
 
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 89):
Some flat beds can be like sleeping on a plank of wood.

Which is very good for your back!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:52 am



Quoting OA260 (Reply 85):
At least you can have it on mute and just watch the aircraft/airport/Cabin LOL.....

Often the best way to watch many music videos!!!

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 75):
By the time they dropped premier on the LHR runs the loads were nothing like that, the last flight I took with a J cabin has about 5 rows, and even then there we quite a few free seats. Of course loads on the ORK-LHR in J would always have been that bit lower I guess, I suppose the deli-bag was not the best move, and at that stage a free coffee/tea /OJ and biscuit were still served, so most did not bother.

I have to admit I thought the deli bag was a good idea on shorter routes (<DUB-LHR). To reduce fares while keeping a J class or similar the deli bag was a very innovative idea. And unfortunately innovation is not often seen at EI. However for flites like DUB-DUS,DUB-MAD and DUB-FCO the Deli Bag was not suitable.

For those not in the know the Deli Bag was the J class ''meal'' just before EI dropped J class. It was a paper bag(like a gift bag for jewellery) with a salad bap/roll, a Lily O'Brien chocolate bar and something else (long term hypoxia kicking in). The crew delivered a drinks service and complimentary tea/coffee. Great as a snack but definitely not a 'meal'. Intorducing this again as a Premium Economy would be very popular-I see first hand the demand for one-up-manship amonsg our pax.
 
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Quoting F1eddie (Reply 90):
Which is very good for your back!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha I know , I used to sleep on a futon from IKEA lol.....

--------------------------------------------------

Talking about meals. Just looking on this website the meals in Y class on the USA flights look dreadful !!! Premier looks ok and so does the BOB European flights but that Lasagne looks like slurry !!!

Anyone have any pics of a LHR-DUB Premier meal in the late 90's early 2000??? I remember them being really nice !!!

http://www.airlinemeals.net/meals/AerLingus021040.html
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:54 am

How did the Prime Time show go? Have they managed to clean the bloodstains off the studio wall yet, I wonder?
 
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Morning all from the SNN departure lounge. I am about to have my first FR experience. Luckily, it is only SNN-DUB so I don't have to put up with it for too long. I am very curious to see what the loads are like. One quick question before I go, did FR recently recieve delivery of a new 737 for their SNN base? It is just there is an AC parked outside with half boeing livery & half FR livery. I can't quite read the registeration from where it is parked but I will try to get it later.
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:36 am

Hey, I am back now here in the Irish thread.

Really great ads by aerlingus.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 80):
Looks like Westlife are Aviation fans also :::::::::::

That is great!!!

Isnt that a B747???

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 94):
Morning all from the SNN departure lounge. I am about to have my first FR experience

Have a good luck with the FR flight.
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:13 am



Quoting EireRock (Reply 72):
Well judging from your previous TR's on LX this would seem to be the case, LX seem to provide a really great J service, il have to try it someday!

While I haven't flown the new LX it did fly SR and LX (Crossair) many times in the past and they were exceptional. Crossair in particular at one stage offeres a sort of business class service throughout, I remember getting on their Avros to fly DUB-ZRH in Y class and seeing the leather seats (not that common back then), champagne or OJ before take-off, hot towels and a great meal. Also had the joy of looking at the most beautiful FA I have ever seen in my life on a Crossair MAD-GVA flight... she was incredible.

Quoting EireRock (Reply 73):
I would agree with you on his Toulouse, and id bet that if EI were to re-introduce J class on some of their European s/h routes they would get a pleasant surprise in the amount of interest and bookings.

I would also think that EireRock. I think they would certainly attract pax on certain routes for sure.

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 77):
Absolutley, always a pleasure to fly with LH, i've used them to FRA a good few times and i would never have a bad word to say about them, top class service worth paying the extra few euros!!

I totally turned off LH after an engine fire on take-off from FRA on an A321 to DUB in 2000. Now it wasn't the engine fire, but the cabin was chaotic during the "emergency" landing at FRA with a totaly lack of instructions given, and then the treatment we received after returning to FRA from LH was AWFUL, it was so bad, the police actually got involved, and it wasn't until some people literally had nervous breakdowns that their attitude changed (I believe people wouldn't have got this skaken up if they had taken a warmer approach with us on the ground). I avoided them afterwards, even more so after getting a response to my complaint some 6 months after writing to them basically saying "We are sorry about your unfortunate experience and we look forward to welcoming you back on an LH flight soon". Then through a trip organised through Airbus I ended up, without any choice, on LH flying TLS-MUC-FLR-FRA-TLS. I suppose I regained my confidence in them again and would fly them again but would certainly not go out of my way to do so. I remember these flights well for various reasons:
The TLS-MUC sector on a 737-500 was the windiest depature I have ever experienced. We were quite late getting into MUC but LH delayed the FLR flight for us as there was a group of us and escorted us to the Avro which was just waiting for us (all other pas had already boarded) and our luggage even made it!
The MUC-FLR sector was incredible. It was a clear and cold winter's morning. We flew very low all the way, with a pilot who continually came over the PA system saying "on the right you'll see Lake whatever", "on the left you can see Zurich airport"... it was like a sightseeing trip over the Alps.
The FLR-FRA on another Avro will always stay in my mind given the incredible take-off power due to the short runway and the fact that there is a motorway and apartment blocks at one end of it and a mountain at the other. It was really like being in a rocket.
The FRA-TLS got me on a CRJ-700 for the first time (having only flown the 100's and 200's before). And the F/A's were top-notch on that flight.

Quoting Bramble (Reply 91):
Intorducing this again as a Premium Economy would be very popular-

I have often wondered if EI could introduce something similar to Brusselairlines. I've been trying to get on them as I've heard great reviews (I hated the old Sabena), and on s/h the offer a sort of standard economy where you pay for food, drinks etc. and what they call their "flexible economy" which for a slightly higher fare you sit up-front, get a free meal/drinks service, a newspaper and more flexibility for changing tickets?
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:19 am



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 96):
totally turned off LH after an engine fire on take-off from FRA on an A321 to DUB in 2000.

Didn't know that you was involved in that incident. But great that everything went well with you.

Myself I have turned off LH because the lack of PTVs in Eco. On a flight to LAX you cant survíve without PTVs.
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:49 am



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 96):
Quoting Bramble (Reply 91):
Intorducing this again as a Premium Economy would be very popular-

I have often wondered if EI could introduce something similar to Brusselairlines. I've been trying to get on them as I've heard great reviews (I hated the old Sabena), and on s/h the offer a sort of standard economy where you pay for food, drinks etc. and what they call their "flexible economy" which for a slightly higher fare you sit up-front, get a free meal/drinks service, a newspaper and more flexibility for changing tickets?

I think this would be an excellent idea. Even for short haul. The good thing for EI is that they have the same aircraft so they could introduce the same product across the short haul fleet.

Ways to do this are by charging more for PE, you get.

2x2 config with the middle seat left empty.
Priority boarding/disembarkation
First 5 rows used.
Free Drinks and a complimentary sandwich/meal (this could either be the breakfast in the morning or one of the meal packs they also do).

In doing it this way there is no need to change the style of the cabin and also on routes that are price sensitive they do not need to operate the PE model or reduce the PE offering to the first 2 or 3 rows.

Whilst I would not know much about pricing, they can stagger the prices according to the sectors.

I am sure on routes like ATH , HEL and AGA they could charge say starting from E50 extra each way. I am sure you would get 20 people on these flights who would pay the extra.

The likes of LHR,CGD, BRU and FRA would certainly attract business people given the option to have the middle seat next to them empty thus giving more room for them to do work.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:19 am

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6123892&nseq=6

You know, looking at the name on DVG, I couldn't help but laugh at the thought that EI would name their newest aircraft after the patron Saint of the Killaloe Diocese, seeing as they are pulling out of the LHR route in just over a months time from Shannon.
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Quote:
Aer Lingus seats filled figure drops
Friday, 7 December 2007 07:35
Aer Lingus carried 727,000 passengers in November, an increase of 8.3% on the same month last year. But the percentage of seats filled fell as the airline increased its route network.

Long-haul numbers grew by 18.9% to 113,000, while the short-haul figure was up 6.6% to 614,000.

But load factors - the percentage of seats filled - fell back by almost four points to 73.4%. The long-haul load factor dropped 6.7 points to 79.3%, while the short-haul figure was down two to 68%.

Aer Lingus said long-haul capacity had grown by more than 33% in the year - with new routes to the US - while short-haul capacity had risen by 15%

Whilst the alarm bells could look to be ringing with such a drop in load factor, given the rise in capacity recently and new routes, I think these will iron themselves out and we should see the L/F increase.

Just waiting for the FR PR stunt about how 'my figures are better than your figures!!!'
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:38 am



Quoting EireRock (Reply 62):
Fantastic airline, one of my favourites.



Quoting Tango29 (Reply 77):
Absolutley, always a pleasure to fly with LH,

I have had a look at LH for long-haul flights a few times but never took them. I have heard bad things about the Y class product... particularly the pitch being really tight. You guys have any problems with it? They are always a connection option out of DUB.

Quoting EireRock (Reply 79):
Most probably "speed tape", widely used in aircraft maintenance and sticks like nothing else!!

It's great stuff alright!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 80):
Dodgy engines though !!!



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 82):
Thats the plane off Casino Royal, it's based over in the UK at the Top Gear Track. (based because it can't fly) It's based at Dunsfold if I remember correctly


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Dunsfold is right. The aircraft was formerly G-BDXJ with British Airways and I was lucky enough to have a jump-seat ride on it from BOS to LHR back in 2000. Always interesting to see where old aircraft end up.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 88):
The Aer Lingus Premier seats are very comfortable and it will be a shame to see them go as the lie flat seats slowly replace them.

 Wow!

You must be a pretty rare breed! I don't know many people that like the old EI premier seats. However, I have never tried them out myself due to bad recommendations from colleagues. I have only heard good things about the new seats and bad reports on the old seats.

To be honest, I prefer to get flat bed when I can. I just hate sleeping sitting up, and have only been able to sleep properly on a few flights with partial recline... AF J Class, BA Y and VX Y Class bulkhead seat.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 92):
Talking about meals. Just looking on this website the meals in Y class on the USA flights look dreadful !!! Premier looks ok and so does the BOB European flights but that Lasagne looks like slurry !!!

Looks can be deceiving I guess. I stand by my opinion that the lasagna on EI westbound is better than most airline offerings, including some J class meals I have had!

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 94):
I am about to have my first FR experience.

Enjoy - they are not THAT bad... for short flights. My most used FR route though is closer to 3hrs, on DUB-MJV... those ones can give you a headache... there are only so many PA announcements (by announcements I mean aggressive adverts)... that I can take! Worth baring in mind that even the sky shopping announcements on EI tend to get on my nerves... sorry guys... but "that's an extra 20% off the catalogue price"... gets to me after a few flights!  Big grin

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 94):
It is just there is an AC parked outside with half boeing livery & half FR livery. I can't quite read the registeration from where it is parked but I will try to get it later.

Sounds like EI-DCL which has been around for a while.


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Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 94):
One quick question before I go, did FR recently recieve delivery of a new 737 for their SNN base?

They have taken plenty of new aircraft lately, but these all get routed through the system, rather than simply being permanently assigned to one base.

Looks like the latest FR delivery was EI-DWR on 29th/30th November

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...R/history/20071130/0634Z/KBFI/EIDW
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Quoting EIDAA (Reply 101):
Sounds like EI-DCL which has been around for a while

Im glad to see they have done the winglets too....they were in standard FR style when they first went on. Although when I flew on -DCL it did not have winglets. Its a pretty looking aircraft though.

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 100):
Whilst the alarm bells could look to be ringing with such a drop in load factor, given the rise in capacity recently and new routes, I think these will iron themselves out and we should see the L/F increase.

I think the ā‚¬ā‚¬ā‚¬ā‚¬ at the end of the year is more important. The three new routes must be running at about 60% full or so. Certainly not at all bad for new routes, on the low season!

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Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 98):
2x2 config with the middle seat left empty.
Priority boarding/disembarkation
First 5 rows used.
Free Drinks and a complimentary sandwich/meal (this could either be the breakfast in the morning or one of the meal packs they also do).

That sounds great. Think that if EI start do like this it will work excellent for them. Lets ope that they bring up this.

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 101):
Looks like the latest FR delivery was EI-DWR on 29th/30th November

When will the next be delivered???
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Quoting EIDAA (Reply 101):
Sounds like EI-DCL which has been around for a while.

Aparentley, this is the only aircraft in the fleet to have real leather seat covers, as opposed to the plastic covers on the rest of the fleet.... or so I've been told.
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Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 98):
I think this would be an excellent idea. Even for short haul. The good thing for EI is that they have the same aircraft so they could introduce the same product across the short haul fleet.

Ways to do this are by charging more for PE, you get.

2x2 config with the middle seat left empty.
Priority boarding/disembarkation
First 5 rows used.
Free Drinks and a complimentary sandwich/meal (this could either be the breakfast in the morning or one of the meal packs they also do).

In doing it this way there is no need to change the style of the cabin and also on routes that are price sensitive they do not need to operate the PE model or reduce the PE offering to the first 2 or 3 rows.

Whilst I would not know much about pricing, they can stagger the prices according to the sectors.

I am sure on routes like ATH , HEL and AGA they could charge say starting from E50 extra each way. I am sure you would get 20 people on these flights who would pay the extra.

The likes of LHR,CGD, BRU and FRA would certainly attract business people given the option to have the middle seat next to them empty thus giving more room for them to do work.

The flexible economy is a nice idea, tied in with clearing the middle seat, but it would need to have a decent charge on top of the basic fare. Well presumably not a charge but part of the fare. I just think that if you run with flex econ / premium econ in the first five rows, you are effectively chopping 10 seats from a 174 seat aircraft. You would have to get the passengers in A, C, D and F to cover the full fares of passengers B and E, in addition to the cost of the extra service and the ticket flexibility.

I would love to see a service like that on EI flights, but I don't think it will happen any time soon.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 104):
Aparentley, this is the only aircraft in the fleet to have real leather seat covers, as opposed to the plastic covers on the rest of the fleet.... or so I've been told.

Bit of an oddball so!

Quoting B747forever (Reply 103):
When will the next be delivered???

Not sure when the next will be delivered, but according to http://blog.seattle-deliveries.com it will be EI-DWS, line number 2472. I would guess this will be within the next few weeks.

Taking a quick look at the deliveries this year, it seems that up to and including EI-DWR last week, FR has taken 35 aircraft from Seattle in 2007. Ignoring the disposals for now, for the sake of comparison, the intake of new aircraft is almost equivalent to the total fleet of EI. At latest count, including EI-DVG, EI has a fleet of 40 aircraft (25x A320, 6x A321, 4x A332, 5x A333). Way to go FR!!
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Quoting EIDAA (Reply 101):
particularly the pitch being really tight.

Yes its very tight . I flew to HKG with them and I couldnt believe how tight the pitch was .

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 101):
You must be a pretty rare breed! I don't know many people that like the old EI premier seats.

I actually have to say EI's old seats are very comfortable and well padded. I cant really fault them to be honest. I flew Premier to JFK and back a few years back and it was very comfortable. The one thing im noticing about these flat beds is that the seat width is dramatically reduced on some incl AC and NZ.
 
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Quoting EIDAA (Reply 105):
The flexible economy is a nice idea, tied in with clearing the middle seat, but it would need to have a decent charge on top of the basic fare. Well presumably not a charge but part of the fare. I just think that if you run with flex econ / premium econ in the first five rows, you are effectively chopping 10 seats from a 174 seat aircraft. You would have to get the passengers in A, C, D and F to cover the full fares of passengers B and E, in addition to the cost of the extra service and the ticket flexibility.

I was just thinking, there is no reason bar a bit of technical ability and imagination why they couldn't sell 320's with flexible seating so on one flight you could have 174 Y and on the next you could have 20 premier (30 Y seats) all you'd need to do is have a little table like apparatus you could attach to the arm rests of seats B and E and presto you now have 2 premier seats instead of 3 Y.... does that make sense? All they would have to do is reconfigure their booking system to be aware to block off these seats. I guess more thought is needed but I'd imagine it could work in a way your not loosing seats unnecessarily.
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Some People. Hope FR do follow through

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Two men held after disturbance on Ryanair flight
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Two men have been arrested at Dublin Airport following a disturbance onboard a Ryanair flight this morning.

The men refused to sit down as the flight to Charleroi Airport taxied to the runway.

One of the passengers also urinated at the back of the aircraft.

The plane returned to the departure gate after cabin crew informed the captain of the disturbance and the pair were subsequently arrested by gardaí.

A spokesperson for Ryanair says the company intends to press full charges in the case.

 
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 96):
I totally turned off LH after an engine fire on take-off from FRA on an A321 to DUB in 2000

I actually remember that incident, that kind of treatment by any airline of passengers that have been
involved in an incident is totally unacceptable i dont blame you not using LH.
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http://www.independent.ie/business/i...sts-at-dublin-airport-1240032.html

Airlines confront regulator over hike in check-in costs at Dublin Airport

By Laura Noonan
Friday December 07 2007

DUBLIN Airport's major airlines have met the Commission for Aviation Regulation (CAR) to voice concerns about the airport's plans to increase annual check-in desk charges from €18,000 to €25,000.

The Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) is in the midst of a "consultation process" with airport users on the higher desk charges, as well as the airport's plans to introduce a new charge for check-in kiosks.

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Aer Lingus baggage fees rise for third time in year

Aer Lingus has increased its baggage charges for the third time since they were introduced less than a year ago
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http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer...qqa=ireland-qqqid=49775-qqqx=1.asp

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Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 107):
I was just thinking, there is no reason bar a bit of technical ability and imagination why they couldn't sell 320's with flexible seating so on one flight you could have 174 Y and on the next you could have 20 premier (30 Y seats) all you'd need to do is have a little table like apparatus you could attach to the arm rests of seats B and E and presto you now have 2 premier seats instead of 3 Y.... does that make sense? All they would have to do is reconfigure their booking system to be aware to block off these seats. I guess more thought is needed but I'd imagine it could work in a way your not loosing seats unnecessarily.

This is where variable geometry seating comes into play. It is possible to change from 3 to 2 with that type of seating, but it would mean re-fitting the EI short-haul fleet with new seats... something they probably won't want to look at doing. The suggestion the guys made above is the poor man's attempt at econ+ and it could work with a bit of thought... I just have my doubts that EI would go down that route.

Who knows, perhaps DM will tackle the short-haul service at some point and re-consider a premier product... he has been trying to move away from the tacky side of low cost operations.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 106):
Yes its very tight . I flew to HKG with them and I couldnt believe how tight the pitch was .

Thanks

Quoting OA260 (Reply 106):
I actually have to say EI's old seats are very comfortable and well padded. I cant really fault them to be honest. I flew Premier to JFK and back a few years back and it was very comfortable. The one thing im noticing about these flat beds is that the seat width is dramatically reduced on some incl AC and NZ.

Everyone has their own preference I guess. No doubt I will end up trying the old EI premier seats at some point... as it looks like they will be with us for some time!

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Quoting EIDAA (Reply 101):
have had a look at LH for long-haul flights a few times but never took them. I have heard bad things about the Y class product... particularly the pitch being really tight. You guys have any problems with it? They are always a connection option out of DUB.

I've only ever used them to FRA but a lot of pax on the flights are going to connect in FRA so they
can't be too bad, i find there short haul product very good, i've flown A319/320/321/B733 with them
and the pitch/ legroom and seat comfort on all the aircraft was very good so i would hope there
long haul product was even better.
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:13 pm

RE are having another happy hour going on today from 1-2.

Seems like Im getting at least two e-mails from RE every week!

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Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:28 pm



Quoting Tango29 (Reply 112):
so i would hope there
long haul product was even better.

Their J class longhaul is good but the Y class is just ok nothing special. Maybe when the A/C get the PTV's it will be better but they really need to do something about the pitch .

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