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Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:55 pm

Not sure if it is a mistake but looking at AC schedule for January 2008 Air Canada will go back to using the 767 on the YVR-SYD route with stop in HNL. Is this for real or an error?
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:00 am

What schedule is that?

The ac.com website booking engine pulls up 777 nonstops in January, February, March....

By the way, web etiquette would require that you place a "question mark" in your thread header if you don't know the answer to the question you are asking.
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:24 am



Quoting DYK (Thread starter):
Is this for real or an error?

It's an error. Expect non-stop 77W fights from mid-December.

Quoting Sebring (Reply 1):
By the way, web etiquette would require...

Here, I have a much thinner hair you can split...
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting DYK (Thread starter):
looking at AC schedule for January 2008 Air Canada will go back to using the 767 on the YVR-SYD route with stop in HNL. Is this for real or an error?

What schedule are you looking at? AC#33 is on a 77W and is n/s. Only change I'm seeing is on 1st Feb. 08' the metal is changing from a 77W to a 77L.

[Edited 2007-12-07 17:38:33]
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:32 am

767-300 YVR/HNL/SYD service is officially history on December 13/2007.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:07 am

Though Travel Agents are saying they are likely to put some services to HNL when they dont have sufficient A/C available (eg Tech)
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:08 am

Flight number on sector is AC33/34.

below is aircraft utilised.

until 15 DEC, B763 via HNL, arr SYD 0715, departs 930
from 16 Dec to 3 Feb, 349 seat 77W, arrives 1000, departs 1330
from 3 feb, 270 seat 77L, timings as above.
from 11 march above flight arrives 900, departs 1230
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:27 am

wonder what % of AC passengers out of SYD currently get off at HNL ?(& don't continue to Canada). Good for HA, QF/JQ over SYD/HNL ?
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:54 pm

When the non stop SYD flight commence what will AC's YVR-HNL flights consist of?
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:55 pm

When the non stop SYD flight commence what will AC's YVR-HNL flights consist of?
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:53 pm

HI,

The schedule was a fax from Air Canada. We received notice of a cargo embargo effective Jan 02 due a downgrade of the aircraft to a 763. i called Air Canada Cargo in Toronto and they have confirmed it will be a 763 (not ER) with tech stop in HNL for the month of January. I suspect the pax loads are not so good particularly with QF in market during the month of January? I wonder what kind of impact NZ is having on AC033/34? I think both Western Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders would try to avoid AC if there is a better alternative?
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:11 pm



Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
We received notice of a cargo embargo effective Jan 02 due a downgrade of the aircraft to a 763.

Considering the hype AC has attached to this new non-stop service, you can colour me both very surprised and a bit skeptical. What a way to shoot yourselves in the foot after years of trumpeting the new 777s.

Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
I suspect the pax loads are not so good particularly with QF in market during the month of January?

They're not, but that shouldn't affect AC.

Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
I wonder what kind of impact NZ is having on AC033/34?

They only just started nonstop YVR-AKL in November, so I'd imagine it's a bit soon to tell. If traveling YVR-SYD, it's still quicker to tech in HNL than AKL...the only downsides are a midnight transfer and US transit hassles.

Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
I think both Western Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders would try to avoid AC if there is a better alternative?

Not sure you're reasoning here, especially considering Aussies & Kiwis. What do they have against AC? The oft-mentioned revulsion towards AC by westerners is exaggerated and is gradually lessening. AC is doing a great deal to win customer loyalty and their recent load factors tend to indicate they're achieving just that.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:16 pm



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 2):
Here, I have a much thinner hair you can split...

It's not a thin hair, it's important.

?s follow inquiries

""s wrap around headlines that are quoted opinions from articles.

it's not hard, but it avoids confusion.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:42 pm

Well AC.com still shows YYZ-YVR-SYD as 77W for January. Perhaps they haven't changed it yet. I know if that switch is made, I will be pretty upset. I booked ATL-YYZ-YVR and back for the end of January to get on a 77W for the first time. I guess I'll just have to monitor the flights and see if they do in fact make the changes.
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:03 pm



Quoting Sebring (Reply 1):
By the way, web etiquette would require that you place a "question mark" in your thread header if you don't know the answer to the question you are asking.

Sorry about that,not enough room for qmark
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:19 pm



Quoting DYK (Reply 14):
Sorry about that,not enough room for qmark

I'm sure Ikramerica or some other aspiring writers on this site will point out that 'reverts' and 'back' used together are redundant, so you may have created space by omitting the word 'back'.
However, I wouldn't worry about it. After reading your first words in the original post, we all clearly understood your intent. Don't let the inherent crustiness of some anonymous members discourage you from continuing to post here. Your apology is not required.

Back on topic, if you work as a freight forwarder dealing with AC cargo, then you may indeed be aware of something that those with access only to online timetables are not. I'm interested in seeing if that route does indeed use a 763 beyond mid-December. Perhaps some of the AC employees (accargo?) can weigh in.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:53 pm



Quoting Getdonnie (Reply 9):
When the non stop SYD flight commence what will AC's YVR-HNL flights consist of?

2x daily 762s going there and 2x daily 762s coming back (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:18 pm

Something is very fishy here. I have direct access to RESIII (AC's CRS system), and the aircraft on flights 033/034 show 777's from now until eternity. Not saying it could never happen on an ad hoc basis due to an unforseen technical reason, but this is a highly anticipated, and heavily marketed new route. Without divulging passenger loads which is internal information, a downgrade of equipment through the month of January would ultimately create a substantial oversale situation throughout the month. I'm skeptical of this one.....

A general availability check both in the RES system and aircanada.com both show a 77W operating.

Ideally, I think that the 77L is the perfect aircraft for YYZ/YVR/SYD, until the route "matures", and effective February 1st subject to delivery of the fourth 777-200LR, the aircraft will replace the 77W.

[Edited 2007-12-08 14:25:48]
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:38 pm



Quoting BAKJet (Reply 16):
Quoting Getdonnie (Reply 9):
When the non stop SYD flight commence what will AC's YVR-HNL flights consist of?

2x daily 762s going there and 2x daily 762s coming back (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)

Correct, plus 1x daily 762 YVR-OGG-YVR and 1x weekly 762 YVR-KOA-YVR.
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:26 pm



Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
I suspect the pax loads are not so good particularly with QF in market during the month of January? I wonder what kind of impact NZ is having on AC033/34?

Just like FLYACYYZ, I also can see the loads on this flight. Again, without divulging actual numbers, let's just say that most flights in January, in both directions, appear to have quite satisfactory loads. A downgrade to a smaller plane due to low passenger counts is pretty much inconsistant with what I am seeing. This story seems to be a rumor with no basis in fact. I'd like to see this supposed fax from Air Canada.
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:51 pm



Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
I think both Western Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders would try to avoid AC if there is a better alternative?

Everyone I know would much prefer fly AC then NZ/UA/JL/SQ(etc) the only thing better in their view is QF(and i'm not joking)
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:59 pm

Having flown all these carriers internationally (except JL) I am surprised that SQ is not rated higher. They do have a much better international product than all the listed carriers in my opinion. I'd amend the list to read, in order, SQ, QF, AC, then the rest.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:29 am



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 20):
Everyone I know would much prefer fly AC then NZ/UA/JL/SQ(etc) the only thing better in their view is QF(and i'm not joking)

You have got to be kidding?? Fly AC over NZ & SQ? The only thing QF has on their side is brand reputation. Nowadays, their service is in the gutter. UA.... well their Transpacific service is about 10 years behind the level of others unless you fly Business or First. JL... can't comment, never flown them./
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:32 am

It must feel horrible to fly all the way down to SYD on a 763. I returmed from a business trip to Australia last week and was quite surprised to see an AC B763 at SYD, specially when every other international carrier flies a 744 or A340 on that route.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:55 am

HA & QF uses 763s on their SYD-HNL runs, JetStar uses an A330, NZ uses a 763 to AKL.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:05 am



Quoting AR326 (Reply 23):
It must feel horrible to fly all the way down to SYD on a 763.

Why should that feel horrible? Many 767s, including AC's reconfigured 767-300ERs with flat bed-seats in a 1-1-1 layout, offer a business class product as good or better than many larger widebodies. And, in my opinion, the 767 is by far the best widebody in Y class with its 2-3-2 seating and only a 1 in 7 chance of winding up in a middle seat. Also fewer passengers so service can be faster and it doesn't take as long to board or deplane.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:45 am

I'm not at work right now so I can't see what our booking software shows for Jan. All the other sites I have access to show it as a 777 throughout 2008. I'll check it out Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if the AC Cargo fax and the info from the call is incorrect. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:55 am

The whole world can see the load factors on aircanada.com, just click on that flight and an option to view the seat map pops up. Granted, it might not be 100% accurate, depends whether you click latitude or tango or whatnot, but it's a rough idea of how the loads are.

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Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:11 am

This rumor is 100% false. I have verified with a senior AC source that the route goes 777 and nonstop on Dec 14 and does not revert to YVR-HNL-SYD at any time.

I don't know the original poster or his sources, so I can only speculate that either AC has downgauged a YVR-HNL flight from a 763 to a 762 and the poster is confusing this with a change to the nonstop SYD flight, or he has been misinformed by AC Cargo. The denial of this "rumor" is categoric. AC is starting nonstop service on Dec 14 with the 77W and switching on Feb. 3 to the 77L when the carrier begins operating its fourth 77L (late January delivery).

End of story.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:31 am

I would also remind the OP of the need to use a question mark when posting on rumors or hypotheticals. Your claim, DYK, that you didn't have room for a question mark doesn't hold water because the header is not the longest on the list tonight by 3-4 characters. Nor did you have any basis for your assumptions that the flight is selling poorly, that other services are eating into demand, etc. A lot of conclusions to draw from one false lead.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:39 am



Quoting Cgagn (Reply 27):
Granted, it might not be 100% accurate

I can guarantee it's not accurate. Certain seats/seating areas are held in reserve for airport check-in and not released until the day of departure. Counting open seats on a seating chart on a given flight is not generally reflective of the actual load.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:42 am



Quoting Sebring (Reply 28):
AC is starting nonstop service on Dec 14 with the 77W and switching on Feb. 3 to the 77L

As it stands, the cutover to the 77L has been moved up to February 1st - as per RESIII and the Employee Travel Web Site.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:03 am



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 31):

As it stands, the cutover to the 77L has been moved up to February 1st - as per RESIII and the Employee Travel Web Site.

Okay, but the source who told me said Feb 3. A 777 no matter what.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:21 am



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 30):
Quoting Cgagn (Reply 27):
Granted, it might not be 100% accurate

I can guarantee it's not accurate. Certain seats/seating areas are held in reserve for airport check-in and not released until the day of departure. Counting open seats on a seating chart on a given flight is not generally reflective of the actual load.

If you had quoted my entire sentence, I said it's a rough idea of the loads. As you stated, certain seats are reserved and not always open at a given time when you check the seating charts, but as said, it's a rough idea.

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Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:44 am

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Quoting Sebring (Reply 29):
I would also remind the OP of the need to use a question mark when posting on rumors or hypotheticals. Your claim, DYK, that you didn't have room for a question mark doesn't hold water because the header is not the longest on the list tonight by 3-4 characters. Nor did you have any basis for your assumptions that the flight is selling poorly, that other services are eating into demand, etc. A lot of conclusions to draw from one false lead.

Thank you for the correction. I might suggest you get of your high chair and give Air Canada Cargo a call tomorrow 1.89.615.
1155 , it is the live desk and book cargo fro after Jan 02 and listen to what they tell. You need to take a Valium.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:09 am

I couldn't imagine that this would be true.

To downgauge a flight so late in the game would be insane. But stranger things have happened.

Like earlier posts, AC has promoted this service for sooo long that to pull the non-stop so soon to the start date would be crazy and AC would lose so much credibility.

It would be nice if somebody could solve this once and for all.

Once again, I highly doubt this is true!
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:20 am



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 35):

It would be nice if somebody could solve this once and for all.

Once again, I highly doubt this is true!

I have resolved it. I sent a message through channels and got an answer from vice-presidential level. There is no downgauge. PERIOD!
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:31 am



Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 7):
wonder what % of AC passengers out of SYD currently get off at HNL ?(& don't continue to Canada).

Probably not many, seeing that AC was doing non-stop one way with the A343 for a while.

Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
I think both Western Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders would try to avoid AC if there is a better alternative?

What in the world would be a better alternative? Connecting somewhere on a carrier that will not meet or beat AC's new standard? AC has, by far, the best business class flying in North America at this point and it will stay that way until United has their's throughout the system. BTW, "both" suggests 2, not 3.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:10 am



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 6):
from 3 feb, 270 seat 77L, timings as above.
from 11 march above flight arrives 900, departs 1230



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 31):
As it stands, the cutover to the 77L has been moved up to February 1st - as per RESIII and the Employee Travel Web Site.

It is Feb 1 ex-Canada, with arrival to Sydney Feb 3...
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:42 pm



Quoting DYK (Reply 34):
give Air Canada Cargo a call tomorrow 1.89.615.
1155 , it is the live desk and book cargo fro after Jan 02 and listen to what they tell.

That explains it, you called the live desk. Sorry, but not the most reliable people in the YYZ cargo building. I've had to deal with their mistakes more than once.  Angry
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:04 pm

Between December 2003 and Sept 2006, I did 6 return trips between YVR and SYD on AC in both Economy and Business. On 5 of those trips there was a stop in HNL in both directions. On the 6th trip in January 2005, on an A340-300, there was a technical stop in HNL on the way south - no passengers go on or off but there was a crew change - and the flight was nonstop SYD-YVR on the way back.

Here are some other observations

Generally speaking the plane is fuller between YVR and HNL than between HNL and SYD both in economy and business. On a couple of occasions I was not able to get an upgrade to business on YVR - HNL, but was able to get an upgrade on HNL - SYD.

The stop in HNL on the way to YVR is a real inconvenience, in my opinion. From YVR - SYD one pre-clears US customs and immigration in YVR. At HNL there is a 1 hour stop where people get off the plane and then the flight continues. From SYD to YVR one gets off the plane goes downstairs to clear customs and immigration and then goes back upstairs to get on the plane. In both directions the flights arrrive in HNL at about midnight and leave an hour or so later. One is just about to fall asleep in both directions when the plane stops. Out of all the flights to and from Australia, the non-stop SYD - YVR was the best. I happened to be in business class. I enjoyed the service and movies without having to get off the plane.

In my opinion, the non-stop service between YVR and SYD is going to give AC a big advantage in the Canada - Australia market. The non-stop cuts the time by about 2.5 - 3 hours in both directions. It also means that people do not have to go through US customs and immigration. For some people this means they won't have to get a visa.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:36 pm

What the website seating charts doesn't tell you is what cargo is already booked for that flight. It could be that no matter how many seats are filled there is a lot of cargo scheduled which influences what equipment is used. If you have an Elite or Super Elite status you see more accurately what seats are available. For example if you are just a basic Aeroplan customer, the website shows the first row of economy (most often row 12) as taken. However, if you are a Aeroplan Prestige member it shows those seats as available. That to me is one of the biggest perks of status in the program.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:27 pm



Quoting Sebring (Reply 29):
I would also remind the OP of the need to use a question mark...Your claim...that you didn't have room for a question mark doesn't hold water

Haven't you already beaten this to death? This is not, may I remind you, Grammarnazi.net. The original post was very clear.

Quoting Sebring (Reply 36):
I have resolved it. I sent a message through channels and got an answer from vice-presidential level. PERIOD!

Without trying to deliberately pick on just you Sebring, but while your posts are generally accurate, you have been challenged and proven wrong on more than a few occasions on this site. Most of your info tends to be the release of publicly-available information and repeated mentions of your exclusive 'contacts' and 'channels' are vague. If you were serious about wishing to protect yours and your sources' confidence, you wouldn't be contributing to this or any other site.
I'm not necessarily disputing this current claim of accuracy regarding what plane type flies YVR-SYD in the new year, but I for one do not take your word as indisputable gospel. PERIOD.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:49 pm



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 42):

Without trying to deliberately pick on just you Sebring, but while your posts are generally accurate, you have been challenged and proven wrong on more than a few occasions on this site. Most of your info tends to be the release of publicly-available information and repeated mentions of your exclusive 'contacts' and 'channels' are vague. If you were serious about wishing to protect yours and your sources' confidence, you wouldn't be contributing to this or any other site.
I'm not necessarily disputing this current claim of accuracy regarding what plane type flies YVR-SYD in the new year, but I for one do not take your word as indisputable gospel. PERIOD.

Don't take my word for it. But most airlines monitor websites, officially or unofficially, to deal with the planting of FALSE information, whether intended or unintended, so they are happy to provide people who ask with feedback when FALSE information is presented on fact. In this Blackberry era, it's not hard to find them 24/7 either. This post led to a post on FlyerTalk with the same claim, so FALSE information, like accurate information, gets around and it is in the interest of the carriers to stamp out rumors that have no foundation (and could even be planted for malicious or spiteful reasons) because people, especially frequent travelers, alter bookings based on the type of aircraft on a route. With FlyerTalk, there is a regular AC poster - a member of the marketing department - who posts under his own name and is highly respected. He answers questions, updates people on issues like the progress of the XM program, and quashes rumors. He quashed this one last night. So you don't have to take my word for it. Take his. (Although I used a different channel). He doesn't post here to my knowledge because a.net doesn't have the same credibility as AC's FlyerTalk or CanFlyer boards, where there are some very well clued-in posters on AC matters who, by virtue of their top tier frequent flyer status, may have some ability to ask questions directly of people in the company.
 
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RE: AC Reverts Back To YVR-HNL-SYD With 767?

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:06 pm



Quoting AA7295 (Reply 22):

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 20):
Everyone I know would much prefer fly AC then NZ/UA/JL/SQ(etc) the only thing better in their view is QF(and i'm not joking)

You have got to be kidding?? Fly AC over NZ & SQ? The only thing QF has on their side is brand reputation. Nowadays, their service is in the gutter. UA.... well their Transpacific service is about 10 years behind the level of others unless you fly Business or First. JL... can't comment, never flown them./

I have never flown in JL/SQ but I know SQ has good product. I was on AC B777-300 from YYZ-YUL-CDG-YUL-YYZ in both executive first and economy and both cabins are awsome. I prefer them over UA. AC Executive First Suite is vey comfortable and was able to sleep almost the whole way on YUL-CDG. My Return in economy was awsome as well. AC new product is up to the 21st Century.

In January Im planning to go YVR-SYD in both cabins.

Makes me wonder if the flight will ever be shifted to YYZ-LAX-SYD like the original plans.
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RE: AC Reverts Back To YVR-HNL-SYD With 767?

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:18 pm



Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
i called Air Canada Cargo in Toronto and they have confirmed it will be a 763 (not ER) with tech stop in HNL for the month of January.

Pretty easy to categorically deny that since a 763 (non ER) can't fly that distance anyway.

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RE: AC Reverts Back To YVR-HNL-SYD With 767?

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:36 pm



Quoting DYK (Reply 10):
i called Air Canada Cargo in Toronto and they have confirmed it will be a 763 (not ER) with tech stop in HNL for the month of January.

That and AC doesn't have non -ER 767-300s...

This made me think - is the confusion that what we are actually talking about the flights from YVR to HNL (AC 43-44 / AC 45-46) going from 767-200ERs to normal 767-200 (non -ER). Looking at http://www.yyznews.com/fleet.html there appears to be 1 -200 non -ER operating (fin 672, C-GPWB). If this is operating on one of these flights instead of a 767-200ER I could see why there would be an issue with cargo capacity.

As an aside, fin 672 an ex PW 767 I happened to fly on from YYC to YXE once ... Ah, memories!  old 

Thoughts?

-Brian
next up: YYC, SFO, SYD, AKL, WLG, CMB, BKK, SIN, FRA, VCE, JFK
 
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RE: AC Reverts Back To YVR-HNL-SYD With 767?

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:47 pm



Quoting Briboy (Reply 46):
This made me think - is the confusion that what we are actually talking about the flights from YVR to HNL (AC 43-44 / AC 45-46) going from 767-200ERs to normal 767-200 (non -ER).

A non ER B767 can not fly YVR to HNL. In fact, a non ER B767 can not fly further than 75 minutes from a suitable airport. ETOPS 138 minutes is required for YVR-HNL.
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AC//777-200LR New Delivery 11/30

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:49 pm



Quoting Briboy (Reply 46):
Looking at http://www.yyznews.com/fleet.html there appears to be 1 -200 non -ER operating (fin 672, C-GPWB). If this is operating on one of these flights instead of a 767-200ER I could see why there would be an issue with cargo capacity.

Add Fin 604 (The Gimli Glider) to the 767-200 non-ER roster. And no...it hasn't been parked, it operated a rotation of YYZ-YVR-YUL today. www.yyznews.com indicates that 604 will be leaving/parked in December -- I predict it flies into 2008.

Furthermore, neither 604 nor 672 will operating to Hawaii or the Carribean, as they are equipped with 'slides only' and are not equipped (with slide-rafts) for overwater operations.
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RE: AC Reverts Back To YVR-HNL-SYD With 767?

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:53 pm



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 47):
A non ER B767 can not fly YVR to HNL. In fact, a non ER B767 can not fly further than 75 minutes from a suitable airport. ETOPS 138 minutes is required for YVR-HNL.

Ah thanks... I wondered about ETOPS, but thought I would throw the idea up the flag-pole to see who saluted -- or not!

Cheers!

-Brian
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