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Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:48 am

Flightblogger has switched gears and broadened his scope to include the A380 now. He gives a sold rundown of all the available information about A380 production including information on new convoys and deliveries. He's really been digging deep to get some rare photos too.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...hanging-gears-a380-production.html
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:15 am

Man that header shows you just how ugly the A380's nose is.

The A350 is going to be one homely plane if she inherits that snoz.

Also, it looks like SQ's next birds after 9V-SKB will be months behind what we were expecting. 9V-SKC was supposed to be February and is now April and 9V-SKD was supposed to be April and is now July.

VH-OQA for QF also looks later then I last heard - October instead of August. However, since VH-OQD was wired correctly from that start, looks like they get her first in August 2008. So perhaps folks had VH-OQA and VH-OQD confused.

[Edited 2007-12-07 18:24:27]
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:14 am



Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Man that header shows you just how ugly the A380's nose is.

The A350 is going to be one homely plane if she inherits that snoz.

Indeed, the ugliest nose in aviation history.
The 787 just looks gorgeous compared to a A350 with ugly clown A380 style nose.  Sad


Interesting info's from Flight Blogger its great they provide now also information about the A380.  thumbsup 

As a A380 production manager on TV declared, there are still a lot of things to overcome to bring the program back on track, but they are working on it.

This videos series are quite actually and have some insight about the A380 production problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIrTqtUB-Vs
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:06 am

He is saying 8 deliveries in 2008. Is that the stated plan?
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:56 am



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 3):
He is saying 8 deliveries in 2008. Is that the stated plan?

The plan is 13 deliveries in 2008.

He only tallied the 22 airframes built so far. Airbus may get sneaky on you and build more in early 2008, for delivery later in 2008. I know the program has gotten us used to measuring things in years, but once production gets under way, it certainly shouldn't take a year between fuselage sections arriving in Toulouse and the airplane being delivered.
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:24 am



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 4):
Quoting Mham001 (Reply 3):
He is saying 8 deliveries in 2008. Is that the stated plan?

The plan is 13 deliveries in 2008.

In their recent outlook on EADS, one analyst group suggested the possibility of 18 as one of '10 surprises' investors might see.
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:01 pm

 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:07 pm

 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:16 pm

Fully painted, fully rewired, fully fitted inside and heading back to TLS...

That means see must be ready for delivery, isn't it?  scratchchin 

Wonder if the rumour is correct and Airbus will indeed deliver the second A380 to SQ THIS year, rather than in January as expected?  Wink

[Edited 2007-12-08 04:18:27]
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:25 pm

Does anyone know when both MH and TG will be receiving their A380's?
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:39 pm



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 8):
Wonder if the rumour is correct and Airbus will indeed deliver the second A380 to SQ THIS year, rather than in January as expected?

MSN003 came back from XFW on July 19th and was delivered October 16th, so about 3 months. But hopefully this time they make it faster...
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:54 pm

Wow, interesting read...

I didn't know that there were so many different frames in several states of completeness being dragged around TLS day and night. We all followed the first frame so closely that some (me at least) lost the other frames out of sight.

When will work on the first LH frame begin?

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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:51 pm

I may have missed this in the past, but why do the few first airframes require re-wiring? Doesn't the wiring get accounted for in final design? Or does the installation of an actual interior mandate different wiring?

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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:55 pm

It could be hard to get many planes out. Especially considering the size. It is not like you can work on a ton of them at once. I guess 2008 will be interesting in 2 ways. 1) See how many A380 Airbus can get out and 2) If the 787 will be delivered on time.
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:58 pm



Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 12):
I may have missed this in the past, but why do the few first airframes require re-wiring? Doesn't the wiring get accounted for in final design? Or does the installation of an actual interior mandate different wiring?

You've been an A.net member for two and a half years, right through all of the A380's troubles, and you seriously want to play dumb and ask that question? Where have you been?
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:46 pm



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
It could be hard to get many planes out. Especially considering the size. It is not like you can work on a ton of them at once. I guess 2008 will be interesting in 2 ways. 1) See how many A380 Airbus can get out and 2) If the 787 will be delivered on time.
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1) not enough.

2)it'll be late.

Thats just how stuff works.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Man that header shows you just how ugly the A380's nose is.

The A380 has a fat face whereas the 787 isn't as sexy as I thought it was going to be, it almost looks a bit special to me.

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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 2):
Indeed, the ugliest nose in aviation history.

Oh, I dunno.

The nose on the Saunders Roe Princess wasn't the prettiest thing around - a big blob or a pimple, take your pick - nor the Avro York, and one could argue that the Boeing Stratocruiser was either all nose or didn't have one.

 

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[Edited 2007-12-08 12:59:19]
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:03 pm



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
It is not like you can work on a ton of them at once.

Why not? If I'm not mistaken, the factory in TLS has 8 bays and XFW has 4 bays. The target production rate is 4 per month. Therefore, on average, an A380 will spend 2 months being assembled in TLS and 1 month being fitted in XFW. That would suggest something like 16 weeks from the convoy arrival in TLS until customer delivery.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 12):
why do the few first airframes require re-wiring?

Go read the Wikipedia article on the A380 (and the references provided in the article, in particular the overview of the wiring situation provided by the new program manager, Mario Heinen)
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:36 pm



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 17):
Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):It is not like you can work on a ton of them at once.
Why not? If I'm not mistaken, the factory in TLS has 8 bays and XFW has 4 bays.

So, they can work on 3,324 tonnes of A380 at once!  Smile
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:38 pm



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 17):
Why not? If I'm not mistaken, the factory in TLS has 8 bays and XFW has 4 bays. The target production rate is 4 per month. Therefore, on average, an A380 will spend 2 months being assembled in TLS and 1 month being fitted in XFW. That would suggest something like 16 weeks from the convoy arrival in TLS until customer delivery.

One bay is used for main structural assembly in Toulouse and the other 7 are used for everything else.
Furthermore, once enough wiring is completed, the aircraft is taken outside for final touches to the wiring. There are several bays out there where you can just park the aircraft. At the moment re-wiring takes place both in Toulouse & in Hamburg. When the next generation hits (the ones that don't need re-wiring), a second position will be used for structural assembly, with 6 bays left for the rest of the work.
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:46 am



Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...hanging-gears-a380-production.html

Thank you NYC777 for posting.

So from what's posted here, both Qantas (QF) and Emirates (EK) are "scheduled" to receiving birds in Aug 08 and would ulitmately have two aircrafts each before end of 2008.....Awesome! Hope everything goes well for Airbus.

Looking under Emirates in Wikipedia, noticed that EK passenger seating are posted as 489, 517 and 644. Wow, most I've seen.....Where does EK fly that would require a 644 seater?? " I thought only ANA & JAL packed them in like sardines ".......Sure hope the air conditioner never breaks down"!

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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:13 am

QF's first bird (MSN014) looks good with it's engines. What MSN is the SQ plane behind?
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:42 pm



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 20):
Wow, most I've seen.....Where does EK fly that would require a 644 seater??

India for starters. Then there are the large secondary markets in Europe where they may choose to add capacity and not frequency (e.g. MAN with around 70 to 75% loads on the 2 daily 2-class 442 seater 773s would probalby start needing larger aircraft in 2 to 3 years time)
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:23 pm



Quoting RedChili (Reply 18):
So, they can work on 3,324 tonnes of A380 at once!

But not quite one hundred frames at the one time which would have been the other interpretation of working on a ton at once. Anyway, it should be a tonne at once!:D

Good news if they are going to surprise on the upside - you would think it had to happen eventually.
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:26 am

Just an FYI, I updated the page with some new photos.

Did anyone figure out what's on the convoy tomorrow tonight?
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:58 pm



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 21):
QF's first bird (MSN014) looks good with it's engines. What MSN is the SQ plane behind?

Just found a new picture of MSN 014, the first A380 for Qantas. According to the photographer the SQ plane is MSN 010.


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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:05 pm



Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Man that header shows you just how ugly the A380's nose is.

A380 nose is Awesome! at least it has a ..nose, right Slz396?
 
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RE: Flightblogger: A380 Production Update

Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:17 am



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 8):
Wonder if the rumour is correct and Airbus will indeed deliver the second A380 to SQ THIS year, rather than in January as expected?

I have read elsewhere that the plan is to deliver it later this month.

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