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Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:49 am

Hi Everyone,

Wish to revitalize Singapore Aviation Thread started by (Kaitak from Ireland) back in November, Thanks!. Need everyone's help to keep it going. Last posting was back on November 15th and then it died. With all the excitement on the arrival of SQ's first A380, and the opening of Changi T-3 in a month, I'm certain there's lots of "News" happening in Singapore.

I'm asking the "Singapore Gang": GneissGuy, Singapore_Air, Ryanair!!!!, Tsentsan, SQ772, 9VSWA and anyone/everyone to participate by posting stories pertinent to Sinapore and their Aviation Community.

I would like to petition "Kaitak from Ireland" for his support and enthusiasm to help me keep this thread online.

Thank You everybody......"Merry Christmas"!
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:13 am

Two Singapore based LCC received approval to begin flights in February 08 from Changi (SIN) to Kuala Lumpur (KUL), a lucrative market held exclusively by Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines. JetStar Asia (Qantas owned) but based in Changi announced $56 R/T fares compared the the normal $300 offered by SIA and MAS. Tiger Airways has yet to be specific, but indicated that their fares could be discounted as much as 80%.

http://straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_184702.html

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:22 am

Tiger Airways (Singapore based LCC) announced today their intentions to start a new Airlines in South Korea. It will be called Icheon Tiger Airways.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aOdGuxH1wAd4

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**SQ has 49% ownership in this Tiger Airways.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:31 am

SQ receives recognition from Fortune Magazine ranking them # 17 out of the Top 50 "World Most Admired Companies".

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...stadmired/2007/snapshots/8155.html

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This comes at no surprise since Singapore Airlines will be Asia's most profitable carrier in 2007.
SQ financial year begins April 1 and ends March 31.

Financial Report (ending March 31, 2007) -SQ Stockholders Annual Report 2006/07
Total Revenue: (US)$8,842,242,000 ($8.8billion dollars)
Net Profit/after taxes: (US)$1,726,296,000 ($1.7billion dollars)

Singapore Airlines carried 18,346,000 (18.3million) passengers from April 1, 2006 thru March 31, 2007
(This is over 4 times the poplulation of Singapore - 4.3 million people)
Their load factors reported at 79.2% with a break-even of 72.5% providing SQ with a 6.7% yield.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:19 am

Come mid Dec, Jet Airways will switch all their 73H flights to A332, so that means alot more capacity for SIN-India flights on 9W. Lets hope that one day we'll see their A340 or 77W on this route.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:29 am

Looks like India traffic is picking up.....9W switching to A330 is a 40% increase in capacity from 737-800's. You mentioned "all" so I assume that's all three daily flights to Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai. SQ operates 777-212ER's to India therefore Jet Airways introducing Airbus's makes them more competitive.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:48 am



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 5):
Looks like India traffic is picking up.....9W switching to A330 is a 40% increase in capacity from 737-800's. You mentioned "all" so I assume that's all three daily flights to Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai. SQ operates 777-212ER's to India therefore Jet Airways introducing Airbus's makes them more competitive.

Definately. Its a progressive switch from the 73H to A332s since they're all on rotation, so I think by Dec 18 they'll all be operated by the A332. No doubt the route can support two widebody services - My colleague flew to BOM a couple of weeks back and couldnt get biz class either way on SQ.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:53 am

A quick update on SQ A380 future deliveries according to data posted by www.flightglobal.com**

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl....hanging-gear-a380-production.html

msn/005 F-WWSB 9V-SKB Jan 2008

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msn/008 F-WWSE 9V-SKD Apr 2008 (Singapore to Tokyo flights)

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msn/010 F-WWSG 9V-SKE Dec 2008

msn/021 F-WWSQ 9V-SKH Jan 2009 (out of sequence production)
msn/012 F-WWSI 9V-SKF May 2009
msn/019 F-WWSP 9V-SKG Dec 2009

**Special thanks to Jon Ostrower for his recent research in keeping us updated on A380 production.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:24 am

Singapore....200 passengers on flight TR188 to Krabi very displeased with Tiger Airways customer service.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...aporelocalnews/view/316166/1/.html

Beside a hotel bed for the night, wondering what other kind of compensation these passergers received from Tiger.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:49 am

Wow - that is some profit for SQ.......WOW
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:07 am

BOEING 787 DREAMLINER REPORT

Just a reminder to all who's interested,..... Boeing will be webcasting "live" their 787 quarter report on Tuesday, Dec 11th at 10:00am EST. USA @ www.boeing.com

05:00hrs (5:00am HNL)
07:00hrs (7:00am SEA)
09:00hrs (9:00am ORD)
10:00hrs (10:00am JFK)
15:00hrs (3:00pm LHR)
23:00hrs (11:00pm SIN)

SQ has 20, Boeing 787-9 on order for 2011 delivery.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:09 am

I went to T3 today. Is anybody interested in the photos, or has someone already posted them

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:11 am



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 1):
Two Singapore based LCC received approval to begin flights in February 08 from Changi (SIN) to Kuala Lumpur (KUL), a lucrative market held exclusively by Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines. JetStar Asia (Qantas owned) but based in Changi announced $56 R/T fares compared the the normal $300 offered by SIA and MAS. Tiger Airways has yet to be specific, but indicated that their fares could be discounted as much as 80%.

How will MH fare with this? They send only (or mostly?) a 734 on the KUL-SIN shuttle route, whereas SQ flies 777s.

Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 8):
Singapore....200 passengers on flight TR188 to Krabi very displeased with Tiger Airways customer service.

Those flights are always chronically late.

A question for whomever can answer it (I know DocPepz would probably be able): I will be flying to JNB on January 9th (2am flight, so the night between the 8th and the 9th). Will my flight depart from T3 or T2? What about the return (on January 14th)?

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:14 am



Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
What about the return (on January 14th)?

According to what I have heard, the arrival terminal will only be told 2 hours before arrival. If anything has changed since then than I am not aware of it

You might want to confirm with SQ for the departure
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:40 pm



Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
How will MH fare with this? They send only (or mostly?) a 734 on the KUL-SIN shuttle route, whereas SQ flies 777s.

MH does SIN/KUL with A330s, usually the -300s. The 737 may be used for the really off-peak ones such as the midnight shuttle etc.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:29 pm

Is it me or has anyone else noticed that in the above photos of the A380s 9V-SKB and SKC have the SQ logos on the engines. I thought these were gone as part of the revise livery?
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:39 pm

Coal

SIN-JNB flights will continue to depart from T2 after T3 opens. Your flight will depart from T2.

The inaugural flight for T3 is SQ318 SIN-LHR on 9 Jan at 12.50pm. (I think)

Your flight from JNB to SIN will arrive either in T2 or T3 as arriving flights have no pattern. However, it is most likely it will arrive in T2.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:20 pm

Wouldnt a Southeast Asian thread be a better idea, I feel even this one will go the way of Singapore Aviation thread 1.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:22 pm

Changi Airports International (CAI), the overseas investment arm of the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) has also been involved in a number of projects:

in January 2007, they signed an 18 month contract to manage operations at Abu Dhabi International Airport. In addition, CAI is interested to bid on the upcoming Midfield Terminal Complex (MTC). (www.gulfnews.com)

In February 2007, CAI entered into a joint venture with TATA Group to bid for contracts to run airports in Kolkata and Chennai. TATA would hold a 51% stake in this venture, while CAI will hold the rest. (www.zawya.com)

In October 2007, CAI has won the right to draw up a masterplan for Aqaba International Airport in Jordan. The masterplan will be for the development of the airport itself, and for the development of the land surrounding it. (Jordan Times)

CAI is now eyeing bids for several airports in Saudi Arabia. (www.zawya.com)

CAI currently has investments in South and Central America, China, Abu Dhabi, Aqaba, and Moscow. (www.zawya.com)

So there's also quite a bit going on over on the airport side. Internationally as well as locally.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:43 pm

The photos with livery on the engines were taken in 2006, before the revised livery.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:46 pm

Does anybody know when Oman Royal Flight A4O-SO leaves? She should have arrived this evening from Muscat.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:22 pm



Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
Wouldnt a Southeast Asian thread be a better idea, I feel even this one will go the way of Singapore Aviation thread 1.

Great suggestion!....I thought about doing exactly that at first.....However, looking over what others have done, I felt it would be "greedy" of me to encompass the entire regioin of lower Asia. (Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc,) and to provide the opportunity for others to open threads for their respective country.

777way, may I suggest you start a thread on UAE or Dubai. Lots will be happening as Emirates receives the A380's next year.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:47 pm

Both Singapore Airlines and SilkAir were voted in the Top 10 of the "World's Best Airlines" by Travel & Leisure magazine.
SQ received the distinction of the # 1 spot, and SilkAir receiving the 9th position.

http://www.travelandleisure.com/worl...ults.cfm?cat=othercairlinesforeign

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What's significant for SilkAir (MI) is that they were the only Regional Carrier to be selected amongst distinguished airlines like Emirates, Virgin Atlantic etc..... SilkAir is a 100% subsidiary of Singapore Airlines, so this should come as NO surprise.

Congratulations to both carriers.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:01 pm



Quoting Ag92 (Reply 11):
I went to T3 today. Is anybody interested in the photos, or has someone already posted them

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Ag92

YES,,,,,Please! (Thank you)!

T-3 "Open House" ended today. (Nov 12 ~ Dec 9) So us unfortunate others need to wait till Jan 9, 2008 for the official opening ceremony to see it in person. Fortunate for me, I will be in Singapore during that week. Arriving in SIN on 4th...departing out of T-2 on the 8th on SQ-A380 to SYD....Missing the Grand Opening....Returning to T-3 on the 12th on SQ A380 to see it in person.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:04 pm

A380 AIRFARES (SIN to SYD to SIN) - vs - 747 Service.

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It seems that SQ has finally decided to standardize "Business" and "Economy" airfares on their A380 and 747's. There use to be a price differential of $492+and $198+ respectively for flying R/T on their new Airbus. First Class fares however remains unchanged. This is understandable since the A380 offers a private "Suite" and full-size flat bed for their 7.5 hr flights.

First Class Service (US$) $7,541 on A380 and $ 5,250.80 on 747 ( Cabin Photos: A380(L) 747(R) )

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Economy Class (US$) $1,064.29

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Wonder what SQ will charge for A380 to LHR next year. Present "F" fare on a 747 is $9951.00. I'm expecting $12,000+ at least for the first month.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:46 am



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 1):
Two Singapore based LCC received approval to begin flights in February 08 from Changi (SIN) to Kuala Lumpur (KUL), a lucrative market held exclusively by Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines. JetStar Asia (Qantas owned) but based in Changi announced $56 R/T fares compared the the normal $300 offered by SIA and MAS. Tiger Airways has yet to be specific, but indicated that their fares could be discounted as much as 80%.

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I've always wondered if Jetstar will be the happier of the two LCCs. Why? 1. They operate from T1, passengers will be happier with the amenities there. 2. I wonder if they will offer interlining flights eventually with their rapidly expanding SIN and australia networks. If so we could see combinations like KUL-SIN-Darwin etc. 3. They offer 20kg luggage allowance and assigned seating, factors attractive to passengers.

It shall be interesting to see what happens next. 2x Air Asia flights vs 1x Jetstar and 1x Tiger daily from Feb 08.........
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:15 am



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 24):
First Class Service (US$) $7,541 on A380 and $ 5,250.80 on 747 ( Cabin Photos: A380(L) 747(R) )

There isnt First Class on the A380. A380 only has Suites, Business and Economy. Suites are of course, one level higher than First, hence the more expensive option.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:40 am

I'm flying to Hanoi later this week, and have a choice of either SQ176 or SQ188. I know the regional aircrafts are officially plying this route, but I do know for a fact that on a regular basis, the long-range 772s get sent on it.

Can anyone confirm which flight consistently uses the SV series aircrafts for the SIN-HAN-SIN route? Or more specifically, I want to get on the flight that has the Spacebed. The seat maps on SQ webbie all indicate the regional 772s configuration.

Appreciate your kind advice.
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:28 am

Normally the SV(X) with spacebed would opt SQ176/175.. the regional config for SQ186/185
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:32 am



Quoting Tsentsan (Reply 4):
Lets hope that one day we'll see their A340 or 77W on this route.

9W has returned their leased 343s back to SA.

From: http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/arti...id=1676§ionid=15&name=Aviation

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ndonesia's flag carrier, Garuda Indonesia will start flying daily on the Chennai-Medan route from April, 2008, Dharmendra Gursahani, Director, SMD Travel Corporation, which has been newly appointed as the airline's General Sales Agent (GSA) in India, confirmed with TravelBiz Monitor. The airline will deploy a B737-500 aircraft with a configuration of 84 seats in the economy class and 12 seats in the business class. "The airline will connect Chennai to Medan and fly onward to Singapore.

Given that GA does not seen to fly on the SIN-MES sector right now - that would probably be a new service on the route.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:02 pm

Hi!

I'm flying to Manila and Malaysia making a stopover in Singapore. Could someone update me on which terminals my flight will depart/arrive in?

SQ 317 16FEB LHRSIN
SQ 910 17FEB SINMNL
SQ 919 25FEB MNLSIN

SQ 106 F 01MAR SINKUL business class, is it regional configuration?

SQ 5087 C 07MAR LGKSIN OPERATED BY SILKAIR S PTE. LIMITED
SQ 324 W 07MAR SINAMS

Thanks in advance!

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Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:50 pm

SQ 317 16FEB LHRSIN
Most probably T3 (Check 2 hours before arrival)

SQ 910 17FEB SINMNL
Definitely T2

SQ 919 25FEB MNLSIN
Most probably T2 (Check 2 hours before arrival)

SQ 106 F 01MAR SINKUL business class, is it regional configuration?
Definitely T2 (From what I see, most probably regional config)

SQ 5087 C 07MAR LGKSIN OPERATED BY SILKAIR S PTE. LIMITED
Definitely T2

SQ 324 W 07MAR SINAMS
Definitely T3
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:32 pm

Hello Everyone,

If I may, I would like to share my cousin's discussion with you.

BOEING and SINGAPORE AIRLINES

Each Sunday, my cousin and I would conduct a video conference call to candidly discuss Boeing, Airlines and any other issues facing the industry. I work for the airlines, while he is employed by Boeing Engineering at Everett. His 31 years as a structural engineer on 747, 777 and recently promoted into the 787 program has earned my respect for his views/opinions of the industry and knowledge on Boeing's new composite airplane.

Our conversation this morning centered on Boeing's relationship with Singapore Airlines and the changes that have metaphor during recent years. He pointed out that although SQ has more 773ER's on order and still remains the largest operator of this type, this should not be interpreted that they are always 100% pleased with our company. When it was announced in 06 the the A380 would be delayed by 2 years, Singapore made no gesture to fill the void with additional Boeing orders but rather approached Airbus for lease options on A330* to help bridge fleet renewal plans.
(* 19 A330 owned by Airbus and leased to SQ at near nothing as compensation for delays in A380 deliveries)

In the past 4 years, SQ has developed a bonding relationship with Rolls Royce Engines and has a vested interest through two of their subsidiaries in "RR Trent" engine maintenance and manufacturing in Singapore. The GE90-115 powered 773ER will be the final airframe purchased by SQ without RR engines. Even the 787 would not be on Boeing's/SQ orderbook if Boeing stucked with initial plans to offer only GE engines for all three models of the Dreamliner.

SQ - 787 vs A350......can only choose one!

He elaborated that if both airframes were sitting on the tarmac today, and SQ had to choose one over the other, the A350-900 would win hands down. The Airbus is a better aircraft to meet Singapore Airlines present and future route expansion plans while maintaining economical and ecological requirements. Then there's the engines. The RR-XWB Trent will be designed around a proven "full-air bleed" system which is familiar to all airlines. The 787 is available only in a "all electrical" still in its infancy.

Another advantage is Airbus having more experience with composite laminate and structural fabrication that provides airlines the benefit of well proven techniques for maintainability and repairs. He was quick to point out that while both Airbus and Boeing uses the name "Composites", their manufacturing process are vastly different and a highly guarded secret protected by hundreds of "patents" which are carefully monitored by each other for infringements.

There's also rumored that Airbus could possibly offer the -900 and- 1000 around the same time providing SQ the option to replace 777-312ER's much sooner.

So.....Why does SQ have an order for 20 Boeing 787-9's ?

It is a marketing ploy to avoid being left out in the woods. Orders on the book hold no significance other than a place in line for delivery. Airlines cancel orders as quickly as they place them with little to no penalties mainly due to delays such as those that plagued the A380 project and now Boeing's Dreamliner. He emphasized that airlines negotiate prices during ordering cycle and airframes are sold at huge discount to carriers like SQ who has the financial stability to justify a 20 unit initial investment.

Options to SQ would be to (1) Sell-off 787 production positions to other carriers seeking quicker deliveries. (2) Take delivery of their units and lease-out or sell them for profit. (3) To cancel order completely and revert capital into Airbus brand.

What is you opinion of the A380 and delays?

The A380 is a fantastic engineering marvel. Both Douglas Aircraft and Boeing also had a double-decker design on paper before Airbus Industries was even conceived. The A380 along with the proposed 747-8 will be the last of the 4-engine behemoths as ETOPS has gained industry confidence, preference, and world-wide passenger acceptance.

I believed that the A380 delay is a blessing to both SQ and Airbus.....more so for Airbus. It gave Airbus an opportunity to introduce the A330-300 as an interim airplane to help SQ with capacity short-falls as they retire the aging 747's. I believe that Singapore will like the A330 (as did Qantas), and order more to expedite the retirement of older triple-7's as well. Slow deliveries has also provided SQ the opportunity to capitalize the market for at least a year ahead of any other A380 Asian carrier. (SQ slated to have 5 - A380 flying in 2008, QF-2, EK-2) Singapore will continue to savor the spot light as they complete the "Kangaroo Route" in February.

So.....Where do you see Singapore Airlines by 2017 and beyond?

All Airbus, including launch customer for A380F and exclusively Rolls Royce...."Never expected that answer from a Boeing Man"!

In closing he pointed out that SQ is considered at Boeing to be the "shrewdest" and "stickiest" of customers when it comes to price and quality......"They want a Ferrari, sold in a Cadillac Dealership, at a Chevrolet price". All final inspections are performed with a "White Glove" before it leaves Everett for Changi.

I ended our conference in total laughter.

PS: Your comments or rebuttals are welcomed....I will share them with my cousin on our next video conference.

Cheers.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:46 pm

SilkAir voted as Best Regional in Asia

Sorry guys....I messed up and had to repost this topic to keep it in Singapore Thread.

http://www.just4airlines.com/j4_dox/...='please+select+(all)'&acc_code=

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:22 pm



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 32):

747Dreamlifter, thank you so much for posting this very candid and enlightening most. It was most appreciated. You should also be commended for your enthusiasm in Singaporean aviation and I hope that you will be welcomed aboard a Singapore Airlines flight in the near future.

Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 32):
It is a marketing ploy to avoid being left out in the woods

That's a very cynical view (and I mean that in a nice way).

I had not thought about it like that before but if someone posed such a view to me, I wouldn't be too shocked if it were 100% true. The B787-9 does seem quite small - definitely smaller than the 777. PEK for example is served thrice daily with a B777-200.

If the press release it to be believed, and there are no indications though from what I hear that it shouldn't, then it implies a frequency strategy in North Asia (a region where the B787-9 is to be placed). Is this the actual strategy for the future? Who knows and in this industry, anything could change.

The A350-900 is as your cousin said, a very good fit. It is ultra-efficient (as plane's go) and can open up new routes in Europe and elsewhere profitably and add to existing frequencies (where archaic protectionism permits). Capacity wise it is similar to the B777 and can also accomodate the new Regional products that will be coming online.




What would be interesting to ask is of course the question that is on most people's lips - the 787-10. Articles by various aviation journalists point to the likes of EK and QF as potential launch cusotmers for the variant. The 787-10, like the A359, fits well with the SIA fleet in terms of capacity and commonality. Any news on this front?

As for Mr. "White Gloves" - I saw a man with the same job on an Airbus video on Youtube. His green sticky notes are unwelcome by those at the A380 factory!
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:37 pm



Quoting DocPepz (Reply 31):
SQ 317 16FEB LHRSIN
Most probably T3 (Check 2 hours before arrival)

SQ 910 17FEB SINMNL
Definitely T2

SQ 919 25FEB MNLSIN
Most probably T2 (Check 2 hours before arrival)

SQ 106 F 01MAR SINKUL business class, is it regional configuration?
Definitely T2 (From what I see, most probably regional config)

SQ 5087 C 07MAR LGKSIN OPERATED BY SILKAIR S PTE. LIMITED
Definitely T2

SQ 324 W 07MAR SINAMS
Definitely T3

Thanks for the info, one more question though.

Is there a fast connection between terminals and how much time should I have to be comfortable between flights? I'd like to explore a bit, you see...

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:18 am



Quoting LO231 (Reply 35):
Is there a fast connection between terminals and how much time should I have to be comfortable between flights? I'd like to explore a bit, you see...

Yeah there are people-mover systems at the E and F gates at the airside of T2, that connect to the A and B gates, respectively, of T3. The journey time is about 3 minutes and the little trains come ever 3-4 minutes or so.

The alternative would be to walk from T2 to T3 via T1 in a very very long U-Shape. (Don't suggest you do that unless you have heaps of time and need the exercise)
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:16 am



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 32):
So.....Why does SQ have an order for 20 Boeing 787-9's ?

Interesting discussion there 747Dreamlifter  Smile

Might want to refer to the previous Airbus/Boeing simultaneous order - B757/A310, where SIA operated both for a period of time to determine which aircraft suited its operations more. It could very well be the same story here. Both the A350/B787 are as yet untested and unproven. SIA may be seeking 'solid' evidence of each craft's performance before deciding on their fate.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:29 am

Sorry SQ772, i apologise...
It seems that the Sq176/175 flts are opted by the SR(x) series, the SV(x) are not opting for this flt as per i see.. The SQ186/185 is by the SQ(x) series..

sorry for the wrong info..
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:08 pm

Hi Everyone,

I just need to share this topic with everyone.

It seems that Tiger Airways is getting "TIGER TOUGH"!

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They are turning away passengers that fail to meet their strict 45-minute deadline for check-in while their competitors JetStar and Virgin Blue are allowing their passengers to do so 30 minutes before departure. Qantas domestic passengers with only carry-on can check-in 15 minutes before departure.

Budget airlines are being criticized by the Australian Consumer Associatlion for been too authoritarian with the rules.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22889871-662,00.html

I reviewed Tiger Airways policy for airport check-in on their website, and my opinion is that whoever wrote this policy must have had a "Bad Day" at the office on a Monday afternoon. and certainly not what I would expect published by an Airline. You need to also read the section regarding Flight Cancellations and Schedule Changes.

It is the mannerism and the choice of wording that makes the presentatioin "harsh". -- "It's Your Fault"--"Too Bad"--"We Don't Care" -- "And It's Never Our Fault"

http://www.tigerairways.com/flight/useful-travel-information.php

Example:
Tiger Airways does not compensate, reimburse or provide tickets for travel on other airlines and take NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER should a cancellation cause you to misconnect to another flight.

Example:
Check in desk will open 2 hours prior to scheduled time of departure.

Tiger Airways recomends that passengers check in two hours prior to scheduled departure. Check-in desks in Budget Terminal close STRICTLY 45 minutes before scheduled departure, by which time passengers should have completed the check-in process and be in possession of a valid boarding card. We reserve the right to cancel your reservation and deny you boarding if you do not comply with the Check-in Deadline.

Any passenger not having completed check-in formalities and be in receipt of a boarding card within the above timeline will FORFEIT THEIR SEAT and NO COMPENSATION will be given. You will be EXPECTED to purchase a new ticket on the next available service. ****(So you don't only forfeit your seat, but your ticket is now worthless -- if I'm reading this correctly -- now that is absurd.)

"BUSINESS MUST BE VERY GOOD to promote such arrogance"!
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:47 pm

This article should confirm that BUSINESS is booming at Tiger Airways.

They have an orderbook for 46 Aribus A320 and may exercise option for another 20 more as they prepare to expand into South Korea next year. Looks like all Budget Carriers in South Asia are doing well per this article.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/10/bloomberg/sxtiger.php
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:10 pm



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 32):
Hello Everyone,

If I may, I would like to share my cousin's discussion with you.

BOEING and SINGAPORE AIRLINES

Wow, great post!
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:49 pm

Thank you ....GneissGuy

I will forward your comment to my cousin.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:57 pm

Looks like India's Jet Airways* is seeking a hub for its South East Asian and North Asian expansion plans. Singapore, Malaysia,and Thailand are in contention but decision will also hinge on finding suitable code-share and feeding partner.

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http://news.monstersandcritics.com/b..._Bangkok_Kuala_Lumper_or_Singapore

Changi new T-3 and Singapore Airlines would be a perfect combo.....Would give 9W access to Star Alliance partners.

*Jet Airways was voted "Best Airlines in South Asia / Central Asia by Skytrax in 2007
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:23 pm

How is SIA doing with the 380 service on-time wise. It appears that the 380 arrives in Singapore on time (13:45) most days. Is the turnaround time in SYD similar to that of the 744 or is more time needed for deplaning/boarding?
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:55 pm

Great thread! Will post my share in due time!  Wink
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:42 am

Hi Everyone,

Well the Boeing 787 webcast has ended.....65 minutes total air time (30 min speeches from Scott Carson and Pat Shanahan and 35 minutes of phone/answer questions).....NONE of the questions I would have asked were presented or covered.

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There was no elaboration on the 787-900 model that SQ has on order other than Pat mentioning things will pick-up once all six pre-production airframes are assembled and test flying is completed. They are expecting to begin delivery at the start of 2009 and are optimistic that they will be able to produce 109 airframes in that year. Singapore Airlines is expecting to receive their -900's in June 2011. There are 19 customers ahead of SQ awaiting deliveries for 388 airplanes, and SQ's first will be 389th. In order for Boeing to meet their promise date with Singapore, they would be required to produce 279 additional airframes from January 2010 thru June 2011. That equates to producing a minimum of 15 airplanes per month without interruption and certify the -900 model somewhere in-between.

Considering the issues that presently plagues the 787 program, I am doubtful they will be able to meet their objectives. In order for Boeing to even accomplish their 2009 goals of 109 airframes, they would need to roll-out 6 planes per/month from Jan thru Dec 2009, and that's only the -800 series. ANA launch customer for the Dreamliner, also has 30 (-300 models) on order, and they were expecting to receive 5 -300* and 11 -800 in phase 2 of their delivery roster which is now 12~18 months behind schedule. *(This means Boeing would have to produce and certify the -300 and -900 within 18 months, and offer the proto-type of their proposed -1000 model all in 24 months) -- "Impossible"!

It would be a "dream" for SQ to receive their -900 as planned....hence the name "Dreamliner"!

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:24 am



Quoting SINGAPORE_AIR (Reply 34):
747Dreamlifter, thank you so much for posting this very candid and enlightening most. It was most appreciated. You should also be commended for your enthusiasm in Singaporean aviation and I hope that you will be welcomed aboard a Singapore Airlines flight in the near future.

Thank you SINGAPORE_AIR for you reponse and comments. Much appreciated!

YES, I am leaving SFO on January 03,2008 heading for SIN via Hong Kong....I prefer the 747 *(Business Class) over the direct flight on your A340 for LAX. Stopping in HGK is wonderful and certainly provides more time to enjoy SQ's exceptional service and hospitality. I am also booked to depart SIN on the 8th for SYD on board your A380 in R/T "Class Above First" to enjoy the "Suite" and returning on the 12th. I will be missing the "Grand Opening" of your Terminal 3 but should get to see it when I arrive back in Singapore. I will be leaving SIN on the 14th via HGK to SFO.

* I am going to miss the 747 when they are retired. Hope to see SQ flying A380's to SFO in the future.

PS: Will share your views/comments/remarks with my cousin at Boeing on my next video confernece.
Please continue to help me keep this thread alive. Thank You!

Cheers.
James
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:45 am



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 39):

Thats not the only problems they have
1. Several operational problems in the last few days which left passengers stranded
2. Refusing to accept disabled passengers due to the lack of facilities provided by the 3rd party.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:07 am



Quoting VHVXB (Reply 48):
Thats not the only problems they have
1. Several operational problems in the last few days which left passengers stranded
2. Refusing to accept disabled passengers due to the lack of facilities provided by the 3rd party.

Wow!.....This is not good news....especially the part of not accepting disabled people.....Luckily for Tiger Airways they don't fly to the US....If they did, this incident would have them rolling down in "Shit Alley".

And they want to order 66 more A320 from Airbus and expand service in South Korea and China. ?? Mmmm  banghead 

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