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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:51 am

Dear 747Dreamlifter,

Thank you so much for starting this thread. I have absent from airliners.net for almost 2 weeks due to work and travels and when I returned, voila! I see this! What a welcome sight.

Quoting LO231 (Reply 30):
SQ 106 F 01MAR SINKUL business class, is it regional configuration?

There is no Business Class (JCL) per say between SIN and KUL. All premium classes are sold as First Class (PCL) and this is an agreement upheld by both SIA and MAS in their shuttle services ops. SQ normally deploys the 9V-SR* series which is a regional 2-class configured 777-212ER.

Quoting GneissGuy (Reply 58):
The return journey will operate via Dubai from Moscow on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, while the non-stop flight will depart in the late evening on the other days, arriving into Singapore late the following morning.

This is strange. Is there a limit on the 77W's range that the return flight would have to fly via Moscow and Dubai? That would make a 2 stop journey very unattractive in my opinion. Reminds me of the long-range milkruns carriers used to do in the good old days. I remember JAL's multi stop to Middle East stopping by so many citues along the way like BKK, DEL, BAH etc.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:15 am

Hi Ryanair!!!,

I believe the return via DXB is the original 1-stop flight, SQ375, operated by the 772/773. The 77W, SQ61, will do DME-SIN non-stop.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:43 am



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 100):
There is no Business Class (JCL) per say between SIN and KUL. All premium classes are sold as First Class (PCL) and this is an agreement upheld by both SIA and MAS in their shuttle services ops. SQ normally deploys the 9V-SR* series which is a regional 2-class configured 777-212ER.

Hi Ryanair!!!,
Welcome back.....thanks for the above info.

Cheers.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:52 am



Quoting Ag92 (Reply 99):
I'm not a huge Airbus fan, but I am quite sure it can't carry 200 passengers in an all economy class cabin

THANK YOU....for your "sharp eye"....YOU are absolutely correct!
I wrote the article they way it was worded in the news release, but I knew there was an error in the reporting. Tiger Airways Airbus A320's has only 180Y class seating. The report did not mention multiple flights so that's a little unclear.

I always welcome corrections, updates, and additional info.....so Thanks very much!

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:29 am

# 4 post on "AIRLINES of SINGAPORE"

Tiger Airways Updates & Fleet Data
(IATA) TR (ICAO) TGW (Callsign) GO CAT

Tiger Airways is a LCC based at Changi Airport and is Singapore's largest low-cost airlines based on passengers carried. In 2006 the airline flew 1.2 million passengers and was first to operate from Changi's new Budget Terminal. Flights to India began in October 07, and Malaysia service will commence in February 08. Tiger Airways posted a (US)$780,000 net profit for year ending September 30, 2007.

Singapore Airlines has a 49% share interest in Tiger Airways ans as such structures TR to fill in for destinations suspended by SilkAir such as to Macau and Krabi.

On 27, November 2007, Tiger Airways Australia based in Melbourne began service to 8 destinations within the Continent with extended service from Darwin to Singapore. Fleet consist of 3 A320-200 in single 180Y class configuration with a fourth to be added soon.

On November 5, 2007, TR announced a joint venture with Incheon Metropolitan City, South Korea, to start a new LCC airline with service to Japan, China, Mongolia and Russian Far East. The new airline will be named Incheon Tiger Airways and be based in Seoul with a fleet of 5 A320s in 180Y class seating. Service to commence in 2008.

Tiger Airways fleet consist exclusively of Airbus A320-200 aircrafts.

FLEET DATA: (Dec 01, 2007) * delivered in 2007

Airbus A320 (8)

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2204 9V-TAA 6/25/04
2331 9V-TAC 1/12/05
2340 9V-TAD 1/28/05
2724 9V-TAE 3/27/06
2728 9V-TAF 4/13/06
2952 9V-TAH 11/21/06
2982 9V-TAI 12/15/06

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3275* VH-VNC 10/18/07
3296* VH-VND 11/08/07

Future Orders and Deliveries

On October 17, 2006, TR confirmed purchase of 8 additional A320 for delivery to commence in 2008 thru 2010 in a deal worth (US)$606 million.

On October 10, 2007, TR confirmed it letter of intent to purchase 30 A320 worth (US)$2.2 billion with option for another 20. These airframes will be delivered between 2011 thru 2014.


Any additional info/updates/corrections are welcomed and appreciated. Please post in Singapore Thread to help keep it alive. Thank You.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:49 pm



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 100):
There is no Business Class (JCL) per say between SIN and KUL. All premium classes are sold as First Class (PCL)

Yes I know, my ticket says F and has 40kg on it, but I didn't call it First Class, because, well, it sort of isn't. Not in SQ standards anyway.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:41 pm

Does anyone know the exact dates Tiger starts service to KUL?

[Edited 2007-12-17 08:41:46]
SIN > CVG > BOS
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:17 am



Quoting SQ452 (Reply 106):
Does anyone know the exact dates Tiger starts service to KUL?

Scheduled to begin FEB 08, 2008

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:33 am

SQ reports modest increase in November 07 traffic over previous year. 70.6% over 70.0% in 2006.
Overall load predictions up to 81.1% from 80.2 in 2006. Much of this increase is contributed to increase capacity and frequencies to Manchester, Paris, Auckland, Hong Kong, Christchurch, Bangalore, Milan and Barcelona.

SQ Cargo load also witness slight gain to 64.5% over 64.1 % in 2006 as capacity for 2007 was reduced by 2.9% and overall cargo demand also fell by 2.4%.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/STock%20News/919027/


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Quick Note: for the "$$$ Curious":......(1 US $ = 1.45 Singapore dollars)
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:49 am

According to Wall Street Journal report, Singapore Airlines will share its expertise in international operations with China Eastern Airlines as it finalizes investment plans to improve performance. China Eastern posted huge losses last year and is projected to do same in 07 on its international routes.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1197...32461.html?mod=rss_whats_news_asia

China Eastern plans to send key management personnel to SQ headquarters to begin six month training in all facets of airline managing.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:38 am

All flights to SIN with Sri Lankan will now be direct which means no flights via KUL
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:54 am

Singapore Airlines decides on A380 flights to London Heathrow but NO start-up date is revealed

According to a news release from Flightglobal, SQ's flight # 322 (SIN to LHR) and returning flight #317 (LHR to SIN) will be first with A380 superjumbo service, but did not list the exact date when service is scheduled to begin.

http://www.flighglobal.com/articles/...s-for-a380-at-london-heathrow.html

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Present posted SQ schedule:
# SQ322 SIN - LHR departing 23:20 (11:20pm) arriving London 05:25 (5:25am+1).

# SQ317 LHR - SIN departing 11:00 (11:00am) arriving Singapore 07:40 (7:40am+1).

Looks like # 2 A380 (9V-SKB) is due for on-time delivery in January/February 08.

Cheers....."Hope everyone has a great week"!  Big grin
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:01 am



Quoting 747Dreamlifter (Reply 109):
China Eastern plans to send key management personnel to SQ headquarters to begin six month training in all facets of airline managing.

I have no idea what would they accomplish in 6 months but that seems like hardly enough time to correct the mindset at MU.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:45 am



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 112):
I have no idea what would they accomplish in 6 months but that seems like hardly enough time to correct the mindset at MU.

Hey Ryanair!!!
"Maybe SQ has a "hidden agenda" in the back closet.....

1) I'm going to try a teach the Chinese a few tricks....
2) I know they won't listen anyway
3) They are going to "fail" and China Eastern is going to remain in the RED
4) MU Shareholders are going to get "Pissed Off"
5) Investors are going to be force to sell
6) SQ will offer financial buy-out at near nothing.

The price SQ is paying for ownership stake in MU is $3.80/share, despite opposition by many of China Eastern's investors. These same shares has a valuation of $7.08/share on China's Stock Exchange and yet MU had no option but to sell to survive. "I think SQ is sneaking into their office through the back door". I wouldn't be surprise if SQ gains more ownership in 3 years or less. Right now everything in China is on an up-swing due to the coming Summer Olympics in Beijing.....Now when that's all over, you're are going to see airlines that do not have good diversified management skills really taking a dive.

I believe SQ sees this coming in China, and is standing right at their front door with ownership in China Eastern.

Even Air China offered to buy into MU and consolidate operation....but quickly changed their minds knowing that should they fail as a new company, SQ will be owning them as well.

Remember, SQ is ranked # 17 as the "World's Most Admired Company" by Fortune Magazine. This title also says you have an "ego" driven management team and someone that doesn't take second best.....That's Singapore Airlines.
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:19 pm

Looks like Singapore Airlines adopted a "good idea", introduced on their A380 and has followed throughout the rest of the fleet during repainting of bolder name-branding on aircrafts fuselage. Idea seem to have originated on Airbus 001 back in 2005. (Photos posted dated: June 18, 2005)

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Note bright flourescent orange paint on tips of flap-track "Canoe Fairings". I'm not sure as to the intended purpose, but it certainly adds as an "eye catcher".

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:48 am

Looks like Singapore is on a "shopping spree" in the People's Republic of China.

Just days ago, Singapore Airlines and partner, announced 24% share purchase into China Eastern Airlines.

Now, after spending $882 million for their new T-3 Terminal, Changi Airport Authority is purchasing a 29% stake in China's Jiangsu Airport (Nanjing Lukou Intenational) for (US)$483.6 million. NLIA is China's fifth largest cargo and fifteenth busiest passenger airport.

http://www.quamnet.com/fcgi-bin/news...=1&par4=20071217151105896234einens

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:59 pm


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Tiger Airways announced today that they are exercising options with Airbus for 20 more A320s for delivery by 2016. Total value of this deal is (US)$1.3 billion. This adds to the 30 that Tiger orderd in early October.

The LCC carrier expects to have 70 A320s by 2016 as it expands operation in Australia, Korea and China.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/...atest/story/0,4574,260810,00.html?  airplane 
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:02 am

# 5 post on "AIRLINES of SINGAPORE"

JETSTAR and VALUAIR

JetStar (JetStar Asia Airways) Updates & Fleet Data
(IATA) 3K (ICAO) JSA (Callsign) JETSTAR ASIA

JetStar Asia is a LCC airlines based in Singapore. Is is the Asian offshoot of JetStar Airways of Melbourne, Australia - (wholly owned subsidiary of Qantas), and is part of the Orange Star Group-(QF,JQ,3K). JSA destinations include Shanghai, Hong Kong, Taipei, Pattaya, Jakarta, Surabaya, Phuket, Bangkok, Phnom Penh, Siem Reap, and Manila.

On July 24, 2005, Jetstar Asia and Valuair merged. However it was decided that they would continue to market under their own name until parent company decides otherwise.

In July 2006, JetStar Asia, Valuair and JetStar Airways were consolidated under the single brand name, JETSTAR.

FLEET DATA (Dec 01, 2007)
Airbus A320 (5)

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2316 9V-JSA 11/30/04
2356 9V-JSB 1/31/05
2395 9V-SJC 3/21/05
2401 9V-JSD 3/24/05
2604 9V-JSH 10/27/06
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Valuair Update & Fleet Data
(IATA) VF (ICAO) VLU (Callsign) VALUAIR

Valuair Limited is a Singapore based budget airlines, and is the first low-cost airline to begin operations in Singapore on May 5, 2004. As of December 2007, VF routes included flights between Changi and Indonesia's Denpasar, Jakarta, and Surabaya.

FLEET DATA (Dec 01, 2007)
Airbus A320 (2)

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2156 9V-VLA 3/19/04
2164 9V-VLB 4/08/04

Any additional info/updates/corrections are welcomed and appreciated. Please post in Singapore Thread to help keep it alive... Thank You.

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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:16 pm

Saudia will begin using 777s to Singapore from March.
 
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RE: Singapore Aviation Thread #2 (Rebirth)

Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:15 pm

Tiger Airways to start Bangalore and Brunei next year, hope Tiger can make SIN-BLR work where Jetstar could not!

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According to Reuters, Tony Davis added that the airline has been profitable for the last two quarters, while new flights out of Bangalore in India and Brunei are planned next year.

http://www.brudirect.com/DailyInfo/N...ws/Archive/Dec07/201207/nite06.htm
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