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United Suite Dream Seats

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:38 pm

Well Folks, United Airlines released their first flight of the new Suite Dream Seats on November 17th, 2007 IAD-FRA.

http://www.suitedreams.united.com/

I must say, looking at the website, photos, and links it looks absolutely amazing. The beds and just the class of it looks really unique. I assume no other airline can match this in the US so far, as UA claims to be the first and only for now.

Any other airlines working on this type of seat/class?

I am curious if anyone has heard of the excitement or buzz among the seats or maybe people purposely booking them? Any one of us who has flown in it and can comment on them?

I am a oneworld member with over 20K on AA, yet I haven't seen anything like this on any US airline, though I believe AA is coming up with someone similair if not this?

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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:43 pm



Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
I am a oneworld member with over 20K on AA, yet I haven't seen anything like this on any US airline, though I believe AA is coming up with someone similair if not this?

Shapewise, it's not that different than what United has now. It's the same amount of space roughly, but they redesigned it to be a lot nicer when you are sitting in it and having more storage and options.
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:50 pm



Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
I am a oneworld member with over 20K on AA, yet I haven't seen anything like this on any US airline, though I believe AA is coming up with someone similair if not this?

AA is putting in lie flat beds at an angle in Business where as UA's beds are totally flat. Also, UA is revamping their F suites while AA is not. (except for bringing them all up to their standard suite.)
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:02 am

When looking at the first class section i noticed the seat belts were different, this is the first time i have seen these seatbelts used, are they only on United?
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:10 am

Here's a link to a thread on the subject. The thread has a link to yet another thread on the subject. GO UA!
UA New Business Class (by Lesismore Dec 6 2007 in Aviation Polls & Prefs)
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:11 am



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 3):

Cathay Pacific is using them too on their new F and J class
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:18 am



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 4):

Woo hoo! I did a search but to no avail Big grin

Thanks Man!

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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:09 am



Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
AA is coming up with someone similair

Having flown in the new AA seats, they are a far cry from what UA has come up with.

I very much felt like being in a coffin in the AA seat particularly how your legs get pushed under the seat in front of you. Only good thing I can say about the new AA seats is that they can be angled in quite a few different ways while seated which I found appealing.
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:32 am

I flew AAL #88 yesterday from LAX to ORD on a 767 with the new American Business class seats. The seats are a great improvement from the past but I really do not understand why they do not recline the entire way. This was a two class configuarion that resulted in a mini econony cabin behind business. I have not flown on a UA flight with the new seats so I have nothing to compare but I much prefer the BA confiquartion that allows everyone to have an "aisle" seat.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:57 am



Quoting Ardian (Reply 5):
Cathay Pacific is using them too on their new F and J class

Actually, they are only using the new three point seat belt on the J class business class seats on their B747-400 fleet. The new J cabin on CX B-777300ER aircraft will use air bags in the seat belts instead.
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:03 am

The first thing I noticed was that there is practically no difference between their Business and First class products. There have been a few threads on this recently but I'll ask the question again - does first class have a future?
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:56 am



Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
though I believe AA is coming up with someone similair if not this?

Nope. They are using the Flat But Not Level seats that many people don't like all that much.

Quoting Planecrazy2 (Reply 2):
Also, UA is revamping their F suites while AA is not.

Well, UA has to do something to differentiate the products

Quoting Peh (Reply 10):
The first thing I noticed was that there is practically no difference between their Business and First class products. There have been a few threads on this recently but I'll ask the question again - does first class have a future?

First does apparently have a future at United, as they are freshening that product as well to make it stand out.
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:51 pm



Quoting Peh (Reply 10):
There have been a few threads on this recently but I'll ask the question again - does first class have a future?

At UA, yes. They are the last legacy carrier to keep 3-cabins in their 767's. They seem hellbent on maintaining that image too, of being the only US carrier to offer 3-cabins on all international flights, and is most likely the reason they will never start TATL 757 service. Their PS 757's just carry too few seats to make any substantial revenue on any TATL flights, and would not be worth the cost to make it happen.

Besides, UA is short of ETOPS 757's as it is, having only 16 of them out of their fleet of 97 total 757's.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:02 pm



Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):

I am a oneworld member with over 20K on AA, yet I haven't seen anything like this on any US airline, though I believe AA is coming up with someone similair if not this?

AA already has and I have to say that these look as poorly designed as AA's new product. Seat/aisle access is no longer existent.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:04 pm



Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
or maybe people purposely booking them? Any one of us who has flown in it and can comment on them?

I'm hoping to catch it on either IAD-FRA or IAD-ZRH in January. Does anyone on a.net know how to track what routes 6447 is scheduled to operate on specific days??
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:35 pm

There is a long thread on FlyerTalk with "unofficial" movements of N647UA listed

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759878

Much of the "unofficial" input comes from some UA insiders.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:32 pm

UA has no plans, and no interest in flying the 757 Trans-atlantic. They have a pretty large fleet of 767-300's that are
flying domestic and to Hawaii that can be put back into 3 class configuration.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:47 pm



Quoting UAORD (Reply 8):
I much prefer the BA confiquartion that allows everyone to have an "aisle" seat.

Obviously you havent had a window seat on BAs club world and had to climb over the persons footrest when you need the toilet!!

One thing i dont understand about UAs new product is why is it in different directions?? why not just have them all facing forward?? it looks possible with this seat.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:58 pm



Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 16):
They have a pretty large fleet of 767-300's that are
flying domestic and to Hawaii that can be put back into 3 class configuration.

Which they really have no intention of doing. There were some rumors awhile back that UA was going to convert 4x of the 2-cabin domestic 763's to international configuration. They were to be used on SEA-NRT, as well as the intra-Asia routes of NRT-ICN, NRT-TPE, NRT-SIN, and NRT-BKK. However, that's all they ever turned out to be.....just rumors.

UA needs the high-capacity domestic 763's and 777's for the hub-to-hub and Hawaii routes, and will almost certainly not convert any of them to 3-cabin.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:29 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 18):
Which they really have no intention of doing. There were some rumors awhile back that UA was going to convert 4x of the 2-cabin domestic 763's to international configuration. They were to be used on SEA-NRT, as well as the intra-Asia routes of NRT-ICN, NRT-TPE, NRT-SIN, and NRT-BKK. However, that's all they ever turned out to be.....just rumors.

UA needs the high-capacity domestic 763's and 777's for the hub-to-hub and Hawaii routes, and will almost certainly not convert any of them to 3-cabin

I would have agreed with this intelligent until just over a week ago when CFO Jake Brace issued a statement saying that UA plans another 15% international growth with existing fleet types and seeing that that really is impossible with their current 97 wide-bodied aircraft and the fact that he mentioned reconfiguring other aircraft, I have a feeling that some 767's will see a domestic-international conversion. Their engines have already been upgraded and if they were to put these out of service to get new seats, it would make it easier to remove planes from the existing fleet for conversions too given the already demanding longhaul schedule.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:45 pm

DL will be adding the same seats as AC (the lie-flats) starting with the new 77Ls then will add them to the 772ERs and 767s(400ER and 300ER) by 2010
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:50 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):
I'm hoping to catch it on either IAD-FRA or IAD-ZRH in January. Does anyone on a.net know how to track what routes 6447 is scheduled to operate on specific days??

Whats being converted next, a 777 or 747?. I hope the 777 and will see service to Europe as soon as, then I might get a chance to try the new product, as the 767, seems to be primarily on the FRA route or ZRH.......I want to see the new product in LHR. I guess the 747 will serve the pacific routes to start with.
 
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:09 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):

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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:20 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):


Besides, UA is short of ETOPS 757's as it is, having only 16 of them out of their fleet of 97 total 757's.

ETOPS wouldn't really be the issue, it would be the short range of most of United's 757s.

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 16):
They have a pretty large fleet of 767-300's that are
flying domestic and to Hawaii that can be put back into 3 class configuration.

Not only would their engines have to be upgraded, but they would have to have tanks put back in.
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:32 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 16):
They have a pretty large fleet of 767-300's that are
flying domestic and to Hawaii that can be put back into 3 class configuration.


Not only would their engines have to be upgraded, but they would have to have tanks put back in.

The 767-300 2 class birds that UA flies to/from Hawaii, have the same exact fuel tank capacity as the long range 767-300ER. The only difference, the engines are PW4056 (not the higher PW4060), and the MTOW from Boeing is around 360k (non-ER) vs. 407k (ER). I'm assuming the MTOW can be raised, for a small $$$ to Mr.Boeing
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:38 pm



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 13):
Besides, UA is short of ETOPS 757's as it is, having only 16 of them out of their fleet of 97 total 757's.

true, the UAL 757s that are non-ETOPS, would require fairly $$ work to get them ETOPS (IDG installed, etc). I recall seeing some stuff from USAir, converting a non-ETOPS 757 to an ETOPS bird, it was fairly extensive/expensive.

In addition, with a MTOW of 240k, the UA 757 would be hard pressed to make it from W.Europe to IAD, during the winter months, in which the headwinds can be over 100kts.

UA would have to drop considerable coin, to increase the 757s to 255k MTOW, and install IDG's and other such required bits (winglets?).
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RE: United Suite Dream Seats

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:41 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 18):
UA needs the high-capacity domestic 763's and 777's for the hub-to-hub and Hawaii routes, and will almost certainly not convert any of them to 3-cabin.

I fly IAD-SFO every 3 months, and I can tell you that on every flight that I've been on, the domestic 767's are pretty close to full. the last time I flew from ORD-SFO (October 07), the 777 was completely full.
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