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AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:21 am

Air India just issued this Press Release

Beijing, China, December 13th, 2007 : At their annual Board Meeting, the CEO's of the Star Alliance member airlines have today voted to accept the application of Air India to become a future member of the alliance.

Glenn Tilton, Chairman and CEO of United Airlines, in his capacity as the Chairman of Meeting said: India has long been on the radar of Star Alliance; after all it is one of the world's fastest growing economies and aviation markets. Having now come to an agreement with Air India makes us the first airline alliance to secure a member in India, which will enable our customers to receive more benefits when travelling to, from and within India in the future.



Air India is delighted in being invited to join Star Alliance. This invitation comes in the wake of Air India's merger with India's leading domestic carrier Indian Airlines, thus making Air India the prime player in the Indian subcontinent. In addition, the recently announced fleet expansion of over 100 aircraft will help Air India serve the travelling public better in terms of global reach and services. In being selected as a future Star Alliance member, Air India will add value to passengers patronising member airlines of the alliance, said Vasudevan Thulasidas, Chairman and Managing Director, Air India.




The specialised teams at Air India, Star Alliance and its member carriers will now be working on the integration process, which once completed, will make Air India a part of the Star Alliance network, currently consisting of 19 members.

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This was just a matter of time. NACIL (AI and IC's parent company) is mired in deep losses, though AI and IC do have the sovereign guarantee of the Government of India. Anyway, yet another Asian member of *A. No wonder AI chose MUC as their Euro Hub.

[Edited 2007-12-13 01:22:25]

[Edited 2007-12-13 01:23:49]
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:55 am

Good news for AI and Star Alliance, LH has opened it's homedoor and i can expext AI to offer a counterpart.
i doubt that MUC was in hurry to increase it's traffic the same way BRU did with Jet.
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:02 am

A much awaited move, any idea how long before they formally get inducted--15mths??

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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:04 am

Congrats to AI...

Looks like Star Alliance is getting bigger and bigger...
What next: Air Union?

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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:21 am

Congratulations to Air India. I hope this spurs them on to increase their standards of service.
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:05 pm

Excellant news for *A.....now I can hope and pray that UA may take their own metal back to India.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 3):
What next: Air Union?

Thats what I am hearing, so one hopes so.

Beyond that maybey TAM in South America and TACA in Central America??

The slight hole would then be Australia.
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:25 pm

Are there any entry conditions AI needs to meet? Some AI product is less than stellar, I would imagine that this is something that has been addressed in a multi-phase plan...

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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:30 pm



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
Excellant news for *A.....now I can hope and pray that UA may take their own metal back to India.

Unless AI does some sort of deal with UA to make LHR a hub for inter-connectivity. But UA needs the metal to fly non-stop to India first those P&W 777ER's won't make it!
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:59 pm



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 4):
I hope this spurs them on to increase their standards of service.



Quoting YOWza (Reply 6):
Are there any entry conditions AI needs to meet? Some AI product is less than stellar, I would imagine that this is something that has been addressed in a multi-phase plan...

Accepted that AI has some deficiencies in service standards and I'm sure that there would have been some conditions laid down for entry into *A.....but some members on this forum (and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) seem to have the feeling that all other airlines are perfect in all respects....if we start analysing the services of other *A members, quite a few interesting facts could emerge.... smile 

*A obviously saw some strengths and potential in AI before accepting them as a new member.....now AI have to ensure that they live up to that trust....
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:03 pm



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):

Accepted that AI has some deficiencies in service standards and I'm sure that there would have been some conditions laid down for entry into *A.....but some members on this forum (and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) seem to have the feeling that all other airlines are perfect in all respects....if we start analysing the services of other *A members, quite a few interesting facts could emerge.... smile

Hey I'm not sledging AI at all. I think they will be a valuable member to *A but from the standpoint of the other member carriers I would imagine they would ultimately want a similar level of products and services throughout the alliance. This has co-branding implications and affects the public's perception of the alliance.

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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:07 pm

So i guess now we can see AI fly MUC-IAD, which might be a good complement to the LH414/415. I am hoping atleast one of the Indian carriers start operations to IAD and AI seems a good choice since IAD is a *A hub and will offer good connections to the rest of US and other N. and S. American destinations on UA.

Though i won't be surprised if 9W starts operations quicker than AI to IAD from BRU.
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:36 pm



Quoting Cricket (Reply 7):
But UA needs the metal to fly non-stop to India first those P&W 777ER's won't make it!

Granted, even if they had the legs, UA is of course well short of metal. I can only dream that UA goes back to India again via LHR. Yeah I know.......no chance!
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
.if we start analysing the services of other *A members, quite a few interesting facts could emerge

Nevertheless, I think that most objective assessments would concur that the addition of "today's Air India" to Star Alliance will drag down Star Alliance, just like a hypothetical addition of "today's Jet Airways" to Star Alliance would have pulled up Star Alliance. I use the term "today's AI", because one would not have felt the same about the AI of the late 1960s.

So can "tomorrow's AI" successfully erase some of the current tarnish, re-invent itself and rise to become an airline that is better than the average of all members of Star Alliance? Regrettably, the odds appear stacked against this.

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:40 pm

This contradicts the statement made by Star yesterday (I think) saying that there were 2 potential Indian carriers they had their eyes on, and that AI might be making this statement a little hastily!

Personally, I think that Jet would be a better carrier, offering a far higher level of service, especially to the premium pax - AI simply cannot match them at the moment.
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:05 pm



Quoting WestWing (Reply 12):
I think that most objective assessments would concur that the addition of "today's Air India" to Star Alliance will drag down Star Alliance,

Obviously *A don't think so....otherwise they would not have invited AI to join in....

Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
Hey I'm not sledging AI at all.

Point taken  smile 

Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
I think they will be a valuable member to *A but from the standpoint of the other member carriers I would imagine they would ultimately want a similar level of products and services throughout the alliance

....which, in at least a few islolated areas, could mean that others have to match up to AI too....take food for instance....it works both ways....but yes, in terms of an overall service offering, AI will have to set their house in order....
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:08 pm



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 14):
take food for instance.

Come on! You are not trying to say that in-flight catering on AI is worthy of praise? HELLO!!!!
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:14 pm



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 15):
Come on! You are not trying to say that in-flight catering on AI is worthy of praise? HELLO!!!!

That's what I am saying and what a LOT of members on this forum keep saying....food is a subjective issue and while you may not prefer Indian food, a lot of international travels do! So, you could have taken that into consideration while making your comment.... smile 
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:20 pm



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
while you may not prefer Indian food,

You are presuming a great deal, sir! And I don't think either my Indian friends, nor my local Indian restaurants, nor indeed the crews of jet Airways would agree!

I am saying that, in comparison to the many quality airlines within Star (AI definitely not being one of them), AI's meal offerings are far from the top, and probably rate as average at best...
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:37 pm



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 17):
You are presuming a great deal, sir! And I don't think either my Indian friends, nor my local Indian restaurants, nor indeed the crews of jet Airways would agree!

First of all, I am not presuming....you apparently do not read the threads on AI, which I kept referring to above....a whole lot of A.netters have repeatedly said that food is one of AI's few strong points.... and where in my responses have I tried to compare with 9W? And why would the opinions of the "crews of Jet Airways" be relevant to this discussion?

FYI, I have flown AI, 9W (on an international flight), LH and a few others in the past few years and I am in a position to offer my own opinion, without having to "presume".....if you have better information (ie. better than "Indian friends, nor my local Indian restaurants"), please fee free to share them with us.....maybe I am wrong and I don't mind accepting that....I am just reflecting the general opinion on this forum... smile 

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 17):
I am saying that, in comparison to the many quality airlines within Star (AI definitely not being one of them), AI's meal offerings are far from the top, and probably rate as average at best...

Again, your personal rating does not matter.....the vast majority of a.netters agree that food is one of AI's strong points....keeping in mind of course, that all travelers may not appreciate Indian food ( apoint which I wished you had kept in mind), the overall feedback on AI's food seems to be positive....you'll need to back up your statements if you assert that AI's food is average.....
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:41 pm

Firstly, I personally have found the food served on the two flights I took on Air India (Singapore-Mumbai and Delhi-Bangkok) not merely passable but was very good indeed. Depending on one's culinary inclination, one could find ethnic cuisines either heavenly or downright inedible. We will therefore have to agree that there will be differing opinions and should refrain from running down a different opinion.

Air India was not at all hasty in announcing Star Alliance's acceptance of its application to join the alliance. The announcement was made in a press release printed on Star Alliance's documents and issued at a media conference in Beijing on the late afternoon of 13 Dec. Air India's Chairman and MD Mr V. Thulasidas was present.

As part of the process of qualifying for Star Alliance membership, Air India has to fulfill 57 requirements and Mr Thulasidas mentioned that it already compliant with some of these requirements and is on track to qualifying for others. He mentioned that the main requirement revolves around IT-integration and Air India (as part of its merger with Indian Airlines) had already sought proposals from vendors. The latter have submitted their proposals and these are being studied.

Air India is expected to be formally accepted into the Star Alliance in about 12-18 months.

At newly constructed airport terminals at Bangalore and Hyderabad (which will be commissioned by March 2008) and in expanded /new terminal buildings being planned for Mumbai and New Delhi, Air India and Star Alliance members are expected to move under one roof.

Star Alliance's CEO Mr Jaan Albrecht confirmed that Jet Airways was also being considered and although the alliance is for now dedicated to bringing Air India onboard, the door is not closed on a second Indian carrier in the future.

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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:53 pm



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
food is a subjective issue and while you may not prefer Indian food,

This is where you imply I may not like Indian cuisine!

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 17):
And I don't think either my Indian friends, nor my local Indian restaurants, nor indeed the crews of jet Airways would agree!

This is where I state my enjoyment of Indian dishes, as supported by my friends accompanying me to my (and their) local restaurants, and the reference to jet was because, when i dealt with their crews at LHR (as I did AI's), they would offer meals to ground staff, and appreciate my appreciation of them (the meals & crews)!

Having also flown AI & 9W, I prefer (and those of my Indian travelers) all agreed the Jet offering was better - but as you say, it's a matter of taste.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
Again, your personal rating does not matter

Really? Then let's all do with with trip reports, and any personal comments about airlines - actually, let's close the forum if personal opinions don't count! Jeez!

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
you'll need to back up your statements if you assert that AI's food is average.....

No I don't - it's my opinion - not that it counts, according to you...!

AI have a looooong way to go in terms of service and efficiencies if they are to match Star A requirements, as do the likes of TK, for example. That is something you couldn't disagree with, surely?
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Quoting Cricket (Reply 7):
Unless AI does some sort of deal with UA to make LHR a hub for inter-connectivity. But UA needs the metal to fly non-stop to India first those P&W 777ER's won't make it!

I'm guessing Germany will be the focal transfer point with the strength of UA and of course LH being there.

UA does have 747s that should be able to operate nonstop to India. DEL is in range of UA's hubs with that plane, but BOM is a stretch.
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:54 pm



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
Then let's all do with with trip reports

Doh - this should read "do away with trip reports!"
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:03 pm

First of all, you are one of those persistent AI bashers who refuse to accept any differing points of view....so, no point in trying to convince you....

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
This is where you imply I may not like Indian cuisine!

Wrong my friend....I used the word "may"....I did not say that you "do" not like Indian food......pay attention to the words that others use.... smile 

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
This is where I state my enjoyment of Indian dishes,

Wrong again....your statement refers to your friends and some restaurants....nowhere does it state that you enjoy Indian food....

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
AI have a looooong way to go in terms of service and efficiencies if they are to match Star A requirements, as do the likes of TK, for example. That is something you couldn't disagree with, surely?

You obviously did not read my replies where I kept saying that food is "one of AI's few strong points" and that they have to do a lot to measure up to the faith that *A has placed in them.....as I have repeatedly stated that in my responses, why are you asking me the question above....??? I don't quite understand your persistence with this line of thought....  Confused
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:11 pm



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 11):
Quoting Cricket (Reply 7):
But UA needs the metal to fly non-stop to India first those P&W 777ER's won't make it!

Granted, even if they had the legs, UA is of course well short of metal. I can only dream that UA goes back to India again via LHR. Yeah I know.......no chance!

I believe the 744 can do it.

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 17):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
while you may not prefer Indian food,

You are presuming a great deal, sir! And I don't think either my Indian friends, nor my local Indian restaurants, nor indeed the crews of jet Airways would agree!

I am saying that, in comparison to the many quality airlines within Star (AI definitely not being one of them), AI's meal offerings are far from the top, and probably rate as average at best...

AI's new products are very good indeed - massive improvements. Their catering has improved hugely of late but in the main, (77L and 77W aside) their in-flight product is not five star or even four star. It is adaquate though.

Bear in mind you have Egyptair and Air China for starters, which are inferior in every way in terms of in-flight product. I dont think, 77W aside, NH are much to write home about either, and if you take their A332 flights out of the equation, I would say BD arent exactly world class either. They have a product which is tailored to their market.

AI does not need SQ-style bells and whistles on its internal flights and regional A310s etc. Just no required, in the same way that NH or CA certainly do not need to have SQ-style service on their domestics.

I wish people would get off their high horse about alliances - it is not a badge of honour and it is not a guarantee of top in flight service. Its only prestigious if you are a marketing/PR person for the airline.
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:24 pm

Who is sponsoring Air India into the Star Alliance does anyone know?
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:35 pm

Blue Skies - I am not saying AI is a great airline, but catering is something that they are good and have been for as long as I have been flying (perhaps this may apply only for people who appreciate Indian cuisine). While they suck at pretty much everything else, they do offer, at least to Indian palates an unbeatable offering in all clasess of service.

They also fill a large gaping hole in *A, and on a good day AI can be a world beater (sadly these are few and far between).

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
This is where I state my enjoyment of Indian dishes, as supported by my friends accompanying me to my (and their) local restaurants, and the reference to jet was because, when i dealt with their crews at LHR (as I did AI's), they would offer meals to ground staff, and appreciate my appreciation of them (the meals & crews)!

Having also flown AI & 9W, I prefer (and those of my Indian travelers) all agreed the Jet offering was better - but as you say, it's a matter of taste.

 
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 24):
I wish people would get off their high horse about alliances - it is not a badge of honour and it is not a guarantee of top in flight service. Its only prestigious if you are a marketing/PR person for the airline.

A good, and different, point of view indeed....but I agree with the other camp, that joining an alliance like Star will be a good opportunity for airlines like AI to pull up their socks in the areas where they suck.....

Quoting Sshank (Reply 26):
at least to Indian palates

....and the Indian customer is becoming increasingly important in the world....something that no alliance can afford to ignore for too long.....*A has just done the appropriate thing for themselves, by roping in a large Indian carrier.....
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:56 pm



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
AI have a looooong way to go in terms of service and efficiencies if they are to match Star A requirements, as do the likes of TK, for example. That is something you couldn't disagree with, surely?

= I would "surely" disagree with you. Having flown each and every Star alliance mainline and regional carrier out there, I can say that AI service on board is SIGNIFICANTLY better than a lot of them. They might not be a NH/TG/SQ, but they are far superior than the comparative U.S. and European lines. TK? TK is a fantastic little airline. Service on US? On some UAL flights? God, even BD and AC services are inconsistent. LH ... its efficient, but good service?

AI does need to build on its ground handling and in its reliability. But in terms of service, AI is IMO MILES ahead of many of its cohorts.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 24):
I wish people would get off their high horse about alliances - it is not a badge of honour and it is not a guarantee of top in flight service. Its only prestigious if you are a marketing/PR person for the airline.

= Very well put. Its a strategic business decision which benefits both parties ... its not like getting a golden Star (pun intended). Even then, who knows what an airline brings to the table ... I mean, really ... how many would miss if BD disappeared off the alliance? Ok, besides BD FFP users, relatively few.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 25):
Who is sponsoring Air India into the Star Alliance does anyone know?

= LH.

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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:49 pm

Hi All

I've gone through most of the above posts.

My take on the issue is....if UA deserves to be part of *A with their current level of in flight service and food, then AI surely does. I am not saying AI is good. I just flew them once in 1988, so have no basis of forming an opinion (though I do remember somewhat that I really liked their food and their interiors - coordinating walls and upholstery).......all I am saying here is that UA is pathetic (other than its fleet size and the destinations it covers).

With the reports I read about AI and with the experience I have with UA, I wouldn't want to fly (if I have an option) with either of them.
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:18 pm



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 4):
Congratulations to Air India. I hope this spurs them on to increase their standards of service.

I hope so too, but a bit too wishful. Star Alliance have strategically needed a strong player in the Indian market given that over the course of the next 5 to 10 years India is going to continue to be an exponentially expanding market and what better than to snag AI now with its netwrok of destinations internationally.
However, AI comes with very heavy baggage of a slew of instuitional problems that have largely contributed to it's downward spiral in service standards, product quality and gross mismanagment over the last 30 years (at least!). Trying to recitify the problem caused by excessive government meddling, stranglehold of militant unions, bloated payroll and uncompetitive product is a very tall order and likely to be a herculean task to fix.
AI will be the weakest link in the Star Alliance network, simply because of it's unreliable and inconsistent product and service delivery and may result in deterioation of loyalty to the Star Alliance brand/network by those who end up using AI.
One thing for sure is that this may leave OneWorld to seek others in the Indian market to ties up with in the future, either Jet Airways or Kingfisher (when it's plans to fly internationally materialize.)
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:18 pm

in this months 'airliner world' it talks about air union ' joining star in the future. the alliance is getting so big now, when are we likly to see the likes of air baltic, sign up...??
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:23 pm



Quoting Airbusboeing (Reply 29):
Hi All

I've gone through most of the above posts.

My take on the issue is....if UA deserves to be part of *A with their current level of in flight service and food, then AI surely does. I am not saying AI is good. I just flew them once in 1988, so have no basis of forming an opinion (though I do remember somewhat that I really liked their food and their interiors - coordinating walls and upholstery).......all I am saying here is that UA is pathetic (other than its fleet size and the destinations it covers).

I understand what you are saying but the difference is that in the US, UA is really the best that you could get. While they may not win the most service awards, their coverage makes up for this and they are in the process of a great cabin makeover. Further, the fact that UA doesn't serve meals is more a market factor than a Star Alliance condition. The majority of the US has decided they'd rather have cheaper fares than free meals etc. so that is how UA has reacted.

Conversely, AI has serious competition from airlines like 9W and Kingfisher but you could make the size argument here too. The good news is that they seem to be upgrading their cabins slowly too although not too much media has come out fo that, especially on airliners so it is hard to tell the actual results of these investments.
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:13 pm

Well everyone should be happy now we'll see a *A carrier flying LHR-JFK again.
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 33):
Well everyone should be happy now we'll see a *A carrier flying LHR-JFK again.

I, for one, am extremely happy, and would fly LHR-JFK with AI. It's been over 10 years since I flew AI; the main reason for ttransferring allegiances was the horrible re-confirmation process in DEL/BOM/CCU and also their poor on-time record (at that time).

How long this route lasts (LHR-JFK)is up for debate since MUC will be the European hub for AI and it seems that transatlantics may transfer there. Now with Open Skies, AI's grandfather rights perhaps aren't so valuable...their slots may be put to better use.

[Edited 2007-12-13 16:00:24]
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:00 am

[quote=Daron4000,reply=32]I understand what you are saying but the difference is that in the US, UA is really the best that you could get. While they may not win the most service awards, their coverage makes up for this and they are in the process of a great cabin makeover. Further, the fact that UA doesn't serve meals is more a market factor than a Star Alliance condition. The majority of the US has decided they'd rather have cheaper fares than free meals etc. so that is how UA has reacted.


Well, I am comparing AI with UA's international flights. A cabin makeover is not the solution. There needs to be a major shift in attitude. I have flown Aeroflot on their 777 and 767. No matter how luxurious their cabin is, There is no way I am flying with them again unless I have to go to some remote Russian City. .....And even they are part of an alliance.
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:09 am

Good to see AI get in. I am glad we Star members can earn miles to/from India. While it may seem a country, the area is certainly beautiful. Congrats to AI and Star. We seem to grow every year.

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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:32 am



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 28):
But in terms of service, AI is IMO MILES ahead of many of its cohorts.

AI Ground Service in the US is pretty abysmal though. My father who travelled J class back recently JFK-LHR-DEL had a pretty crummy check-in experience. But after *A ground handling at several cities that it serves should improve!
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:27 am

This is boiling down into How to Improve AI  Smile Though not a bad idea . I hope the MD of AI is reading this ! It surely shall help.

Getting new a/c is a good step. The next is to improve their on time performance. I really wish heads roll when flights are over a day late.

And hey wait they are way way better than US airways ( a *a member - and prob the most crappiest of em -) .
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:55 am



Quoting Blr2Syr (Reply 38):
I hope the MD of AI is reading this ! It surely shall help.

The MD of Air India is desperately trying to hold onto his job right now...  Smile
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:18 am

Jet would have been a much better addition in my opinion...less of a hassle to integrate into star, better service, growing network, up to the standards of Star Alliance and other Star Carriers. In fact, it would probably 'raise the bar' a bit for the whole alliance.

I do take peoples comments and notes in here about how AI is still better than some star carriers (like US for example, currently 'the shame of star alliance' in my opinion)...it will just be interesting to see what improvements they make, etc.

Here's to AI and all of our sincere hope that this motivates them to 'raise the bar'....
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:59 am



Quoting SQ452 (Reply 40):
Jet would have been a much better addition in my opinion...less of a hassle to integrate into star, better service, growing network, up to the standards of Star Alliance and other Star Carriers. In fact, it would probably 'raise the bar' a bit for the whole alliance.

I totally concur to that statement. It would have been nice to see 9W right up there with SQ. Would have been really nice to see 9W become a *A member. However with their current agreements with various airlines, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up joining Skyteam  Smile

Nonetheless, its good for Indian Aviation that AI will join *A. It will definitely lead to some sort of improvement on the infrastructure of AI. Their on-board service is usually never in question. Most problems that people complain about is their abysmal delays which can run to about 4-10 hrs Big grin and as some have mentioned above their ground handling.
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:50 am

I think I read somewhere that 9W is next on line to join *A. Why does Star need two Indian carriers in the Alliance?
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:05 am



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 42):
I think I read somewhere that 9W is next on line to join *A. Why does Star need two Indian carriers in the Alliance?

9W is unlikely to join *A, there has always been a rumour that 9W will join a Middle-Eastern carrier led alliance, and I suspect that might be true...
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:24 am



Quoting Cricket (Reply 43):
join a Middle-Eastern carrier led alliance

Which ME based alliance seems likely.... EK + UL?
 
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:36 am



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 44):
Which ME based alliance seems likely.... EK + UL?

Could be, and if so that will be one hell of an alliance! 9W will need DXB rights though...
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:32 pm

Any idea when Air India will actually become a member ?.. usual 12-18month delay ?
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RE: AI To Join Star Alliance

Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:13 am

It looks like AI is really making efforts to better up. Ground reality might be in the opposite.

[Dreaming] There used to be a time people used to set their time based on AI departures.  Smile

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