Disruptive Passenger Clip AC YYZ - LHR

FlyEmirates · Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:01 pm

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=944_1197550450

Thought you lot might find this clip interesting, I find it rather sad that have an increasing amount of 'white hating' undesirables coming to the UK.

Anyone know what was the outcome, is he now living happily on benefits in hounslow or did he receive any sort of sentence for this outburst?

EXAAUADL · Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:14 pm

he needs to be wacked on the head. I only watched 1:30 of it, but was he white hating?

roseflyer · Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:17 pm

That's a somewhat disturbing scene. That man is having a panic attack and it looks like he's being restrained.

I'm kind of surprised that video made it onto the internet.

FLYACYYZ · Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:58 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
he needs to be wacked on the head.

That would be the South of the Border approach. The man is obviously mentally sick, and was being calmed down by one of AC's finest Service Director's. As inidicated on the video clip, it was on a YYZ/LHR flight.

sebring · Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:01 pm

It looked as if everyone was being patient and reassuring with him.

irobertson · Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:07 pm

Good lord... This guy is convinced that he's going to get shot. The only thing he's going to get is a ban from Air Canada. Passengers: looks like a typical Canadian reaction. "Just ignore him, he'll calm down eventually."

I worry to know what would have happened on an American flag carrier. I fear mass pandemonium would have broken lose.

BlueSkys · Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:13 pm

It is great the way the situation was handled. With calm and some plastic handcuffs....I have never seen a panic attack like that, the guy must have had a huge fear of flying.

FLYACYYZ · Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:16 pm

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 6):
....I have never seen a panic attack like that, the guy must have had a huge fear of flying.

That wasn't just a panic attack. For a panic attack you pull out the Lorazepam. For a mental breakdown/meltdown, you get the restraining ties.

cbphoto · Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:52 pm

yeah...I agree that there is something definately wrong with that individual. I will say one thing though, and that is the crew handled the situation remarkably! I know in the US, they would have zip-tied his hands, dragged him to the back of the plane, diverted the flight if needed, and handed him over to the police the second they could. Good job to the crew for handling the situation professionally!

sh0rtybr0wn · Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:55 pm

He's obviously paranoid and psychotic. He might be off his anti-psychotic medication, or altitude / dehydration / stress all could have sent him over the edge. Lots of people are on those meds; its a bigger problem than most people think.

Three of the top 20 drugs by sales are anti-psychotic drugs and sometimes they still dont control a persons symptoms.

I think it was handled decently, and AC did the best they could. He had to be restrained and it was a a large disturbance to the other passengers who didn't over react.
That would have been the loudest / wildest flight I have ever been on.

But its good that most people on the plane showed a some compassion for a very confused and disturbed and frightened human. Maybe AC will give the people in the cabin vouchers for their inconvenience.

geekydude · Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:04 pm

Wow, my hat off to the AC crew and the passengers who handled this person so calmly and professionally... Great job!

skoker · Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 7):
For a panic attack you pull out the Lorazepam

Do airlines carry Lorazepam/Diazepam onboard for situations like this?

yowza · Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter):
Thought you lot might find this clip interesting, I find it rather sad that have an increasing amount of 'white hating' undesirables coming to the UK.

I imagine a lot of them come from Vancouver

Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter):
Anyone know what was the outcome, is he now living happily on benefits in hounslow or did he receive any sort of sentence for this outburst?

Let's not stereotype too much now. Besides he would do much better to leech off the Canadian gov than the UK.

The guy has obviously lost the plot. Good thing he was restrained in time.

YOWza

connector4you · Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 5):
The only thing he's going to get is a ban from Air Canada

And pretty much any one else I would add . . .

Quoting from Canada's no fly list inception act:
"Data would also be shared with American and British security officials"

azo · Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:07 am

while it very well could be a psychotic crisis, his level of personal fear and paranoia actually looks like it could be drug induced as well. no matter the cause, those on board handled the situation great by not threatening him, remaining calm, and gently restraining.

Quoting Skoker (Reply 11):
Do airlines carry Lorazepam/Diazepam onboard for situations like this?

i think you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find an airline willing to take the responsibility of carrying a controlled substance on board for purposes like this. the only one's you would find would be someone's personal prescription and its pretty ill-advised to give some to someone else. plus this guy doesn't seem as though he would have been cooperative enough to willingly swallow a pill.

UncleBuck · Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
That's a somewhat disturbing scene. That man is having a panic attack and it looks like he's being restrained.

And rightly so. You have a problem with protecting the security of an aircraft @ cruise? Panic attack or not he was obviously not in a healthy state of mind for his own, and especially others', safety.

eghansen · Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:59 am

I thought it was interesting that the woman sitting in the seat in front of the man was completely ignoring the situation. Maybe we are just becoming inured to strange things happening when we fly.

I remember flying from NRT to LAX and a man collapsed in the aisle next of me. The flight attendants came up with an oxygen tank and got him back on his feet and into a seat, but the other passengers complete ignored anything that was happening.

flyingcat · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:31 am

Time to get some justice on this noisy fellow "Airplane" style.

Now I have some brass knuckles, anyone have a bat?

iairallie · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 16):
but the other passengers complete ignored anything that was happening.

It's not so much ignoring as keeping out of the way so professionals can do their job and giving the person with a medical issue some privacy in an otherwise public area. I'd rather have that than a planeload of lookyloos getting in the way.

redflyer · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:42 am

This is A.net so it begs the following:

"I'd be interested to know what kind of plane this was on?"

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
I'm kind of surprised that video made it onto the internet.

This is tame and lame compared to some of the stuff floating around on the internet.

UncleBuck · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 18):
It's not so much ignoring as keeping out of the way so professionals can do their job and giving the person with a medical issue some privacy in an otherwise public area. I'd rather have that than a planeload of lookyloos getting in the way.

x2

Unless you are a nurse or a doctor or of that sort, you help best by staying in your seat.

ZBBYLW · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 19):

"I'd be interested to know what kind of plane this was on?"

An AC 763 with Project XM already complete it looks like.

DCAYOW · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 3):
That would be the South of the Border approach.

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 5):
I worry to know what would have happened on an American flag carrier.

Unfortunately, we don't live in a world like Canada - in which some harbor the belief (however naive) that their dominion has no enemies.

The USA has enemies and these enemies used instruments of civil aviation as weapons in a "Battle of Manhattan". So you will have to forgive them for episodes of over-reaction and insensibility.

If you really worry about how a US flag carrier would have reacted in this situation - you really have no worries at all. I worry about things far more sinister.

FLYACYYZ · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 21):
An AC 763 with Project XM already complete it looks like.

777-300.

You can tell by the bins and the funky mood lights.

National757 · Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:59 am

Anyone know the particulars of this flight? Was it diverted?

Markhkg · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Skoker (Reply 11):
Lorazepam/Diazepam onboard for situations like this?

Sedatives are not a required part of the Enhanced Medical Kit on board. In reality, this is probably a good thing as I remember a case in the literature where a disruptive pax died after diazepam was given to them (orally) by an onboard physician who had it with him.

Having said that, injectable Benadryl (Diphenhydramine) is required to be in EMKs, and it does have a mild sedating effect. I could imagine an on board physician thinking out of the box and injecting that. (Or perhaps ordered to onboard paramedics or nurses via the Medlink physician but I highly doubt they would allow it.)

FLYACYYZ · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting Dcayow (Reply 22):
Unfortunately, we don't live in a world like Canada - in which some harbor the belief (however naive) that their dominion has no enemies.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
he needs to be wacked on the head

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 17):
Now I have some brass knuckles, anyone have a bat?

Justifiably, we live in an overly sensitized state of high alert. That being said, the mentally sick (regardless of their ethnic origin), need to be treated (however disruptive on a flight) with patience, tolerance and compassion, before resorting to drastic measures.

Wacking him on the head and risking death or beating him to a pulp with brass knuckles or a bat, is not part of the culture that I was raised in (however naive).

flyingcat · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
Wacking him on the head and risking death or beating him to a pulp with brass knuckles or a bat, is not part of the culture that I was raised in (however naive)

I'm guessing the movie Airplane was not allowed to cross the border. eh
BTW my response was facetious. eh

777STL · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 3):
That would be the South of the Border approach.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Acey · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 29):
What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I think he's suggesting that it would of course be an American stating that he needs a whack on the head. Seems to be a generally violent nature to your society, ya know?

Emirates773ER · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:44 am

Just talking to someone from AC who knows the cabin director on this flight, he is actually the one tieing the hands. Hopefully he should be able to recount the story. On a different note, the flight seems to be out of YYZ and not YVR.

iairallie · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting UncleBuck (Reply 20):
Unless you are a nurse or a doctor or of that sort, you help best by staying in your seat.

So true!

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
Wacking him on the head and risking death or beating him to a pulp with brass knuckles or a bat, is not part of the culture that I was raised in (however naive).

That is not the American approach either. Most cases like this on American carriers are handle with the appropriate level of force.

ps. what is that saying about glass houses. Can you say taser eh? Xo's, a former Canadian

tonystan · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:53 am

Perhaps the chap was a deportee, I got the impression that the lad sitting to his right was actually trained in restraint of sorts by the way he was handling the passenger. Im also not convinced that the lad sitting to his left was crew as his tie does not seem to be an AC one. It is possible then that the two gentlemen are infact immigration officers escorting the man back to his country.

We get this all the time on flights and is rather common. I remember one incident where we ended up leaving a gent in a loo for 7 hours to Kingston because he insisted on wiping his own faeces on the toilet wall after he was allowed go to the loo. He was under the impression that we would divert if he did it and so have another chance of avoiding deportation for a while. When he realised we were not diverting he did go mad but thank god for the officers who remained outside the loo to keep him under control!!!

Its a rather sad situation this one though. And I am shocked at a number of the responses being thrown about by some of the american posters. Suppose I should not expect much but heyo, wonders never cease!!!!

iairallie · Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 34):
he insisted on wiping his own faeces on the toilet wall after he was allowed go to the loo. He was under the impression that we would divert if he did it and so have another chance of avoiding deportation for a

gotta give the guy points for creativity

threepoint · Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 13):
Quoting from Canada's no fly list inception act:
"Data would also be shared with American and British security officials"

Would this necessarily place somebody on a permanent no-fly list? I wonder what air carriers' policies are - as he was clearly not intending to be disruptive.

Quoting AZO (Reply 14):
i think you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find an airline willing to take the responsibility of carrying a controlled substance on board for purposes like this.

Not to mention finding somebody legally permitted to diagnose for and administer such medication.

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 16):
I thought it was interesting that the woman sitting in the seat in front of the man was completely ignoring the situation. Maybe we are just becoming inured to strange things happening when we fly.

Hardly ignoring the situation, just reacting to it as one should. Without fuss and bother.

Quoting Dcayow (Reply 22):
"Battle of Manhattan".

Oh, man, just stop. Wasn't that King Kong circa 1933? At least the tall buildings and planes survived that one.

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 17):
Time to get some justice on this noisy fellow "Airplane" style.
Now I have some brass knuckles, anyone have a bat?

I was tempted to fire off a very blunt reply to this, but:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 26):
Wacking him on the head and risking death or beating him to a pulp with brass knuckles or a bat, is not part of the culture that I was raised in (however naive).

That was a much more civilized method of responding.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 32):
Can you say taser eh

Nope. It's Conducted Energy Device, thank you very much. We've noted with amusement that the RCMP refrains from using the TASER acronym since the latest YVR episode.

iairallie · Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 36):
he was clearly not intending to be disruptive.

Intent isn't really relevant when your behavior puts other people at risk.

sh0rtybr0wn · Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 29):
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 3):
That would be the South of the Border approach.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Since nobody else said anything....

The Canadians think of us Americans as South of "their" border, in the same way we think of Mexicans as South of the border. Canadians sometimes think of Americans as " the upper Mexicans". Its a joke, and funny if you understand it correctly.

Once again, Bravo to AC for handling this situation with a bit of kindness and not over reacting and tazing the guy, which would have only made things worse and further traumatized everyone onboard.

CO777DAL · Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 29):

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 3):
That would be the South of the Border approach.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

HAHA and here I was thinking of Mexico being from Texas and all, trying to figure out what he was talking about,
not knowing he meant USA.

sebring · Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 38):
Once again, Bravo to AC for handling this situation with a bit of kindness and not over reacting and tazing the guy, which would have only made things worse and further traumatized everyone onboard.

Tazing is a sensitive issue here since the RCMP zapped that poor Polish immigrant and killed him at YVR a few weeks ago. But yes, this was handled with kindness and some tact, which is the way a lot of situations of this kind should be diffused. So long as you are not dealing with an armed individual or someone violent to others, such incidents don't have to be turned into confrontations between good and evil. Just smile and sound reassuring.

FLYACYYZ · Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 29):
What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 32):
That is not the American approach either

I simply said South of the Border, meaning, "not here in Canada". No reference was ever made to America, American, or the U.S.

iairallie · Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 41):
I simply said South of the Border, meaning, "not here in Canada". No reference was ever made to America, American, or the U.S.

Yeah, sure your didn't mean the US.

TUNisia · Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 32):
That is not the American approach either. Most cases like this on American carriers are handle with the appropriate level of force.

AC handled the situation perfectly. Kudos to that male FA for keeping cool... really top notch work and all the while treating the disturbed pax with respect and properly restraining him.

707lvr · Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:12 am

Well, I will take a stab at a diagnosis: raving paranoid schizophrenic off his meds. Down here south of the border, once the inevitable panic had subsided, passengers would have assisted the crew in calmly throwing him out the door. This cannot be done in Canadian airspace however.

ikramerica · Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 34):
Suppose I should not expect much but heyo, wonders never cease!!!!

Wow, how enlightened. The "typical American response" to every situation is not violence. I see heroism and compassion as the response when I see tense situations in my life. I think people get a skewed image from movies and TV and what your local newspapers choose to report on (and how they choose to write the stories...).

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 43):
AC handled the situation perfectly. Kudos to that male FA for keeping cool...

This happens quite a bit on USA carriers, and is handled in the same way. I'm not sure what all the USA haters are on about, frankly. It's SOP to restrain the person with plastic ties.

tonystan · Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 45):
The "typical American response" to every situation is not violence.

Thats not the impression left on my mind by some of your fellow nationals on this thread!!!!

ogre727 · Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:06 am

I just watched a part of it, but had to stop. It was very disturbing. What I watched suggested to me that he was having a panic attack and lost control completely. It made me very sad to watch as it was obvious he felt very threatened. I guess we don't know what caused this outburst, but it was obvious from the video that everybody was very reassuring and non-confrontational.

What was the outcome? did the plane divert?

fxramper · Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:12 am

AC pilots are a lot more tolerant than AA pilots. My uncle flew BRU-ORD about 4 months ago with an unruly passenger. He had the FAM secure the pax and lock him in a lavatory before diverting to JFK to offload the passenger to FBI.

VonRichtofen · Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:14 am

Good thing he waited till he was on the plane. If he started up while still in the Airport he could have been tased to death!

I'm curious to know how the incident started. Also it sounds like he's swearing at muslims and then asks to be shot. When the guy says nobody is going to hurt you he says something like "look how many people on this plane, there must be some "air cops". Whatever it was, it definitely looks like some kind of psychological problem. Like a panic attack almost.

[Edited 2007-12-13 23:19:32]

kriegerkaiser · Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:45 am

God, this is soooo sad. As a nurse, I can only imagine what this guy is going through psychologically.

That being sad, it probably would have scared the piss out of me for a bit (I love to fly - but can be a nervous nelly.)

Hope he is well.

connector4you · Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 36):
Would this necessarily place somebody on a permanent no-fly list?

The program, called Passenger Protect, has been set up by Transport Canada officials to prevent passengers considered immediate threats from boarding aircrafts.
Airlines that fly in or out of Canada will also reportedly be required to check the names of passengers against the list.
The list is not a "look-out list" for wanted fugitives but is instead specific to those considered an imminent flight risk.
The list, in the works since 2002, has been supplemented until now by information gathered from U.S. authorities and other sources.

Quoting Canadian Transport Minister :

"Under the program, the government will identify people who pose an immediate threat to aviation security and will work with airlines to stop those people from flying, said Transport Minister Jean Lapierre ...We're learning from the American experience."

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