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SQ Very Satisfied With A380 Performance...

Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:14 am

..exceeding even Airbus specs on seatmile cost..

http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=11132
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:20 am

The link doesn't seem to work, this one should do the trick:

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=11132

Quote:
"In seat/mile terms we achieve overall a 20% better fuel burn than our 747-400s."

The future is overall appearing to look brighter for the A380 after the disastrous delays. I recall the later-build A380s will even be a tad lighter than the earliest frames?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:27 am

This sounds very promising, especially considering that this is the first plane, and Airbus will surely be able to tweak and improve the performance in the future.

A 20 percent better fuel burn than the 744. What did Airbus promise them?
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:29 am

Good to see this report come forward. I have always said that if the aircraft performs as promised, Airbus should expect the orders to double over the next decade. A lot of carriers who are sitting on the fence with their A380-800 vs B747-8i evaluations will now have a solid data of how the superjumbo is performing in real everyday duty.

Needless to say, this will result in more orders for A380-800 comming in.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:34 am



Quote:

In terms of technical performance, specifically fuel burn, the aircraft is performing better than Airbus promised.

It can't be, Airbus never manages that!  Wink I wonder if this will suffice for those A.netters demanding A380 fuel performance information.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:37 am



Quoting RedChili (Reply 2):
A 20 percent better fuel burn than the 744. What did Airbus promise them?

That beats Boeing's claims for the 747-8i, they only say 15% better than the 744.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:44 am



Quoting RedChili (Reply 2):
This sounds very promising, especially considering that this is the first plane, and Airbus will surely be able to tweak and improve the performance in the future.

Agree. This is the wonderful news for Airbus.
Perfect advertisement.
I really would expect many more carriers to order or firm up the options, at least SIA (6 options I think).
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:49 am



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
..exceeding even Airbus specs on seatmile cost..

Well nothing better then coming from the customers mouth.  Smile

Quoting Joni (Reply 1):
I recall the later-build A380s will even be a tad lighter than the earliest frames?

Exactly, I expect a steady improvement on these figures with future frames.

Quoting RedChili (Reply 2):

A 20 percent better fuel burn than the 744. What did Airbus promise them?

I believe it was 15%.

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:51 am

20% lower fuel burn per seat - and the seats are a lot bigger than on a 747. That's what I'm calling an achievement.

Quoting Thegeek (Reply 5):
That beats Boeing's claims for the 747-8i, they only say 15% better than the 744.

Probably the same fuel burn like a 744 when they put in seats the size of those on an A380. The 747-8I would need nine-abreast in economy to do that. Sad for enthusiasts, but the time of pax 747s is coming to an end.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:12 am

The story mentions that the wonderful Mr. Chew Choon Seng said that the seat/mile costs are 20% better than the B744.

I would point out to put the discussion into context that the A388 has 471 seats while the B744 has 375 seats (in SIA configuration).

This is excellent news. Hoorah for Singapore Airlines' A380 unit costs.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:18 am

Well that's great news. Airbus will be hoping other airlines take note of this. Should bode well for future orders.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:24 am

Good news.
I hope it's the end of the problems for the A380 program ...
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:27 am



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 10):
I would point out to put the discussion into context that the A388 has 471 seats while the B744 has 375 seats (in SIA configuration).

Can some smart mathematician do some math with this figure and see if the A388 and the 744 had the same seats what the actual fuel consumption efficiency would be?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:46 am



Quoting AA7295 (Reply 13):
Can some smart mathematician do some math with this figure and see if the A388 and the 744 had the same seats what the actual fuel consumption efficiency would be?

Not sure if this is even remotely correct, but this is how it looks to me:

B747-400 = 1 @ 375 seats
A380-800 = 0.8 @ 471 seats

A380-800 @ 375 seats = 0.8 / (375/471) = 1.0048
B747-400 @ 471 seats = 375/471 = 0.7961

So from that, completely unscientific (and probably not mathematically correct  Wink) comparison, both are extremely close, with the B747-400 looking a bit better in both values.

So now I'll wait for someone to tell me how wrong my calculation is...  Wink

In any case though... great news for Airbus!
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:47 am



Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
I believe it was 15%.

IIRC Airbus said 17% over the 744. But anyway 3% and better Range then expected is fantastic.

Even Mr. Gallois said, its the best plane Airbus ever made.

Great news for the wonderful A380.  Smile
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:54 am



Quoting AA7295 (Reply 13):
Can some smart mathematician do some math with this figure and see if the A388 and the 744 had the same seats what the actual fuel consumption efficiency would be?

Totally irrelevant.
Why would anybody use such a big plane for the number of seats of a 744 ? It would mean lot of useless metal carried in the plane.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:00 am



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 15):
Even Mr. Gallois said, its the best plane Airbus ever made.

Now ... let's wait for A380-900. It will probably have a modified version of the A350 engine. And with the stretched and tweaked fuselage improvements learnt from the -800 ..... unbeatable for decades to come.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:11 am



Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
I wonder if this will suffice for those A.netters demanding A380 fuel performance information.

LOL.....

Great news for the A380. I knew once it was in service the tables would turn . A fantastic future awaits !!!!
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:19 am



Quoting Chiad (Reply 17):
Now ... let's wait for A380-900... unbeatable for decades to come

I agree. If the shrinked A380 performs so well, the unshrinked A380 will be untouchable as a VLA (unless Y3 is very large and spectacularly fuel efficient).
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:19 am



Quoting Leskova (Reply 14):
So from that, completely unscientific (and probably not mathematically correct ) comparison, both are extremely close, with the B747-400 looking a bit better in both values.

So now I'll wait for someone to tell me how wrong my calculation is...

In any case though... great news for Airbus!

That was my back of fag packet calculation too - basically the A380 uses the same ammount of fuel to transport nearly 100 more pax and about the amount of cargo = a no-brainer for the airlines - get those big-birds into service asap SQ is gobbling us up!
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:29 am



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
about the amount of cargo

Is that actually correct? I understood one of the reasons that CX were hesitating to buy the A380 was poor cargo capacity, at least once passengers bags were taken into consideration.


How much of the improvement in seat-mile fuel economy is due to the engines (higher bypass, counter rotation with RR), and how much is due to the actual airframe?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:38 am



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 6):

Quoting Thegeek (Reply 5):
That beats Boeing's claims for the 747-8i, they only say 15% better than the 744.

Of course they will say something smaller that way it can preform better...

But crucially, Boeing are claiming that the 747-8I will have considerably better fuel burn per seat than the A380. Their figures just dont add up.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:41 am



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 21):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
about the amount of cargo

Is that actually correct? I understood one of the reasons that CX were hesitating to buy the A380 was poor cargo capacity, at least once passengers bags were taken into consideration.

I may be wrong but I thought that the cargo volume was about the same as a 744 (but I could be wrong!)
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:44 am



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 21):

How much of the improvement in seat-mile fuel economy is due to the engines (higher bypass, counter rotation with RR), and how much is due to the actual airframe?

Does it really matter? Especially when the Trent 900 was specifically built for the A380.

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:50 am

Good to see Mr Chew happy with the 380. SQ sets the bar really high and Airbus have exceeded performance guarantees with a plane that is reported to be up to 6 tons overweight. Tim Clark believes that Airbus can reduce weight by at least 3t and so performance should improve.

The proof of the pudding..... Big grin

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:58 am



Quoting Art (Reply 19):
the unshrinked A380 will be untouchable as a VLA (unless Y3 is very large and spectacularly fuel efficient).

I have my doubts that a Y3 will ever be built.
Boeing is so hesitant to commit to anything but a warmed-over B747.
For years they did all in their power to discourage Airbus and airlines that the A380 would be bad for business, and that the B7E7 would be the way of the future.
About the latter ... no doubt about that being correct.
But it seems more and more clear that there's a space for both Hub-and-spoke and point-to-point operations in this commercial aviation world.

The A380 is a very costly program, but I am sure that over time it will be a financial success both for Airlines and Airbus.
One must also remember that operating the A380 automatically gives free advertisement.

But that's just me. I might be wrong.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:58 am

The following is what Boeing are reffering to as '747-8 facts'.

Quote:
Compared to the 747-400, the 747-8 Intercontinental will provide nearly equivalent trip costs and 10 percent lower seat-mile costs, plus 28 percent greater cargo volume. Operating economics will offer a significant improvement over the A380. The 747-8 is more than 11 percent lighter per seat than the A380 and will consume 10 percent less fuel per passenger than the 555-seat airplane. That translates into a trip-cost reduction of 19 percent and a seat-mile cost reduction of more than 3 percent, compared to the A380.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/747-8_facts.html

So Basically, the 747-8i will have 10% lower seat mile costs han the 747-400, and a fiurther 10% lower fuel burn per seat than the A380, despite the now verified fact that the A380 already has 20% lower fuel burn per seat than the 747-400?????
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:14 am

I thought that when those figures were put out by Boeing the A380 was not yet in service, and the comparisons were to the B-744 and the projected numbers for the A380, bummer, was not aware that eveyone had updated their promotional adds after the A380 went into service.

However, I fail to see where the problem is, the B747-8i is lighter than the A380, is smaller than the A380, so yes it will seat less pax, carry less fuel and possible less cargo, did Boeing claim anything different, or are we once again playing with statistics?

As for performance data, I think everyone is excited that it is now available, it is after all the proof of the pudding. Unfortunately, those who were in the know have just lost their prestigious perch, as we now all know how well the a/c performs, its in the public domain.

Great news for all.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:47 am



Quoting Leskova (Reply 14):
A380-800 @ 375 seats = 0.8 / (375/471) = 1.0048

In other words the trip cost for the SQ A380 is only 0.5 % more than the SQ 744 for the SIN-SYD sector.
If the quoted 20% seat-mile is accurate, it is indeed an amazing achievement for Airbus and possibly a shock for Boeing.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:14 pm



Quoting RedChili (Reply 2):
A 20 percent better fuel burn than the 744. What did Airbus promise them?



Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
I believe it was 15%.



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 15):
IIRC Airbus said 17% over the 744.

I believe the aim was to get as close to 20% as possible, but interestingly enough, (as always) all these improvements were based on generic seat counts, which stood at 555 seats for the A380-800. Logic dictates that in real life operations, the numbers generally turn out to be less spectacular, because airlines tend to make use of the added space offered by larger planes predominantly to accommodate far larger F and C class seats in it, rather than just increase the number of Y seats like the manufacturers do in their calculations.

Airbus already found out their newest plane does far more than it had promised at first and as such put some extra pressure on the competition which is all too heavily depending on a totally unrealistic seat count for their warmed up version of the Boeing 747, by lowering the generic seat count of the A380 from 555 to 525 through a far more comfortable and real world seating arrangement, while keeping the same CASM numbers and increasing the associated range by a few hundred miles.

Boeing still needs to follow path on this move BTW, which already gave a first indication of how 'real life' their numbers must be.... NOT.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
20% lower fuel burn per seat - and the seats are a lot bigger than on a 747. That's what I'm calling an achievement.

Correct!

It now is confirmed that in real world operations, SQ even achieves a whopping 20%+ lower fuel consumption per seat with their 471-seating A380 vs. their 375 seating 747-400. Obviously, the 747-8i will burn less fuel than the current 747-400, but with today's SQ seating arrangements, it probably wouldn't even hold 320 pax!
In short: it is either comfort or economics for the 747-8i, where it can clearly be comfort AND economics for the A380-800.

It would thus be interesting to calculate real world figures for the 747-8i with all the (indirect) data available, though I am pretty sure about the outcome of it: the Boeing 747-8i will simply be trashed by the A380-800. SQ has obviously made the real world calculations a long time ago, hence Mr Seng calling the 747-8i "yesterday's best plane, full of warmed-up old technology in the presence of the Boeing CEO."

Those who have dismissed the A380 because it doesn't have bleedless engines or because it doesn't have a composite fuselage, have dismissed the Queen of the Skies a bit too soon it seems.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:26 pm



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 39):
It now is confirmed that in real world operations, SQ even achieves a whopping 20%+ lower fuel consumption per seat with their 471-seating A380 vs. their 375 seating 747-400. Obviously, the 747-8i will burn less fuel than the current 747-400, but with today's SQ seating arrangements, it probably wouldn't even hold 320 pax!
In short: it is either comfort or economics for the 747-8i, where it can clearly be comfort AND economics for the A380-800.

This is one of the reasons why I had been saying that BA would order the A380. Everyone claiming that they would not order the A380 were quoting high seating figures in their arguments (474 on the 748, 555 on the A380), when in reality BA's low density configuration on the 744 has only 291 seats.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:34 pm

Does anyone know what takeoff weight the 380 is using to fly Sin Syd and Syd sin ?

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:53 pm

It Looks like Airbus has done well with this one in the end, anyone got any predictions who'll be after some after they hear the fuel burn figures?

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:21 pm

I am so looking forward to the 15-20% drop in ticket prices that will happen when the world and his dog are running these across the globe...oops! Forgot it will be the airline shareholders who reap the lower op costs not the average punter...  stirthepot   stirthepot 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:21 pm



Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 32):
It Looks like Airbus has done well with this one in the end, anyone got any predictions who'll be after some after they hear the fuel burn figures?

Airlines that took out options? I guess some of their mid-size widebody and VLA options were placed so that the airlines concerned could hedge their bets - if the promised A380 performance figures were met or exceeded, they would be in a position to increase the proportion of VLA's to mid-size widebodies in their fleets by exercising more VLA options and less mid-size widebody options. Of course, some 787 performance figures would make the position clearer.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 28):
In other words the trip cost for the SQ A380 is only 0.5 % more than the SQ 744 for the SIN-SYD sector. If the quoted 20% seat-mile is accurate, it is indeed an amazing achievement for Airbus and possibly a shock for Boeing.

Not good news for the 748-i... but then LH might disclose that it performs better than promised when it enters service with them. However, that gives the A380 several years advantage: real performance figures are more reliable than projected performance figures.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:23 pm



Quoting EI321 (Reply 30):
This is one of the reasons why I had been saying that BA would order the A380.

Indeed and not to forget that for BA the decision point was the lower noise profile of the A380 (QC 0,5) compared to the 748.(QC 1.0)
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:41 pm



Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 33):
Isn't Mr. Chew Choon Seng's statement a nail in the 748i coffin ?

Maybe not entirely, but it has made the life abit easier for the Airbus sales folk.
Real data from a third party is always better than own forecasts.
Both Airbus and Emirates has last months been hinting that operational data looks even better than expected.
No doubts that EK was given Airbus testdata.
One of my friends at SQ flight operations has been hinting the same.
What I'm really wondering is what fuelburn figures that Boeing is presenting to the airlines they are trying to sell the 748i to?
The data from Boeing, cited in reply 26 is obviously not truly accurate, and I am sure that Boeing has other data to present to the airlines.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 13):
In any case though... great news for Airbus!

Airbus is probably the only one who already knew.  Smile
Not so good news for Boeings 748i team though.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:51 pm

Congrats to Airbus - I like the A380 and am pretty glad for their sake the figures are telling a great story...
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:57 pm

That sure is quite the piece of good news Airbus needed for the A380 program, and I can hear the big *sigh* in Toulouse all the way from here. After all those ups and downs and Soap Opera like development, it seems like the happy ending everyone expected is fanillay around the corner.

However, for being an A380 thread, the lack of any comment by any of the many A380 bashers on here (  mischievous  ) compels me to try and equilibrate this discussion by saying that the 748i is yet to prove itself and might very well exceed its own promises as well, and contrary to its rival, that wouldn't be a first for Boeing.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:30 pm

quote=Ruscoe,reply=31]Does anyone know what takeoff weight the 380 is using to fly Sin Syd and Syd sin ?[/quote]


During the inagural flight SIN-SYD, Capt Robert Ting told Richard Quest of CNN that the TOW was 468t (MTOW is 569t according to him) and that the 380 was burning 12,000 kg of fuel per hour (~15,000L) at that point in the cruise.

IIRC, that was a full flight with probably little or no cargo since it was for charity purposes.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:42 pm

Hey guys if we want rub some salt into the wound, i can't help but noticing that no american A-netters bar "WestWing" has replied and has participated in this thread.

What surprises me even more is the fact that they are the first members to slag Airbus for delays and when is time to congratulate/praise Airbus on its achievement they are nowhere to be seen.

On the other hand when Boeing achieves something i think everyone tries to praise these achievements.

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:51 pm



Quoting TIALATI (Reply 40):
no american A-netters bar "WestWing" has replied and has participated in this thread.

Uh, have you forgotten time zones? The thread started at 3:20AM New York time. Probably not too many Americans reading A.net at that hour...
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:00 pm

This is indeed good news for the A-380 program. Boeing will have it's work cut out for them to try and match this level of seat mile costs with the 748.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:23 pm



Quoting Chiad (Reply 25):
For years they did all in their power to discourage Airbus and airlines that the A380 would be bad for business, and that the B7E7 would be the way of the future.

Bad memory...they said it would be a niche aircraft, not bad for business...and it may still be. For those hub-to-hub flights this aircraft is best suited for, its economies are very strong, and now seems unbeatable. I dont see where Boeing has a viable answer.

It still doesnt make sense to use a plane this size for markets that cant fill it. While fuel is a sizeable aspect of the operational costs, we still havent heard about the other ops costs. My point is the better than expected numbers dont really change the basic market approaches.

What I find impressive is the 100% dependability...great job by Airbus to ensure this product, while delivered very late, now comes with little risk.
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RE: SQ Very Satisfied With A380 Performance...

Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:35 pm

"Aeronautical achievements and marketing opportunities aside, the A380’s claim to fame lies in its green credentials. Fuel consumption per passenger-mile is 15 to 20 per cent less than the next most efficient aircraft. Lower fuel burn means less emission of carbon dioxide and other exhaust gases. Equally impressive is the smallness of its noise footprint – about half that of today’s other big jets."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ce0e93fa-9...2-8f5c-11dc-87ee-0000779fd2ac.html

Congratulations to Airbus, but what is Chew smoking when he says the fuel-burn is better than what Airbus promised when Airbus already said it would be 20% (lower than the next most efficient aircraft - is that really the 744?)???
 
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RE: SQ Very Satisfied With A380 Performance...

Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:44 pm

If Singapore Airlines did achieve 20% lower seat-mile costs than the 747-400, that means the A380-800 can fly in SQ configuration from San Francisco (SFO) to Hong Kong (HKG) pretty much non-stop year-round, avoiding the occasional need the refuel in NRT, NGO, KIX or TPE during the winter with its stronger northern Pacific winds. That might just convince Cathay Pacific (CX) to buy the A380-800 for its routes from HKG to LHR, SYD, YVR/YYZ, SFO and LAX.
 
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RE: SQ Very Satisfied With A380 Performance...

Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:44 pm

It's interesting that the delay in the programme, while costly in monetary terms for Airbus, has been turned into something positive, with the aircraft giving 100% reliablitity in its first month.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: despite all the pessimism about low sales figures for the A380, I firmly believe this aircraft will be a big seller. Given that the 747 has had nearly 40 years dominating the VLA market, it looks increasingly likely that there will be only one show in town for a long, long time.
 
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RE: SQ Very Satisfied With A380 Performance...

Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:48 pm



Quoting TIALATI (Reply 40):
Hey guys if we want rub some salt into the wound, i can't help but noticing that no american A-netters bar "WestWing" has replied and has participated in this thread.

What surprises me even more is the fact that they are the first members to slag Airbus for delays and when is time to congratulate/praise Airbus on its achievement they are nowhere to be seen.

On the other hand when Boeing achieves something i think everyone tries to praise these achievements.

Have fun ppl

Don't quote a few and say "they". There are plenty of people who support A+B from the US. Mind you there are many A bashers not in the US. Sorry "we" are not on the computer at 3:00 in the morning to bash A. Get over it.

Congrats to Airbus and the A380 program, it will certainly mean more sales for sure.
 
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RE: SQ Very Satisfied With A380 Performance...

Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:52 pm



Quoting Khobar (Reply 44):
Congratulations to Airbus, but what is Chew smoking when he says the fuel-burn is better than what Airbus promised when Airbus already said it would be 20% (lower than the next most efficient aircraft - is that really the 744?)???

The Airbus guarantees are for a generic seat count. The SQ numbers are for the SQ seat count. SQ has chosen to give their A380 passengers much more room than their 744 passengers. Even though the A380 has some 50 percent more floor space than the 744, the SQ A380 only has 25.6 percent more seats than the SQ 744.

The figure given by Chew basically means that the A380 uses only slightly more fuel overall for a trip SIN-SYD.

Question for everybody: What do you think about SIN-LHR? Since SYD performs so well, I would expect LHR to perform even better, given that the A380 will have an even bigger advantage over the 744 on a longer flight.
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RE: SQ Very Satisfied With A380 Performance...

Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:53 pm

Good news! Hope that Airbus will continue to work harder! Hm... lets see who will be coming onto the A380's order list next..
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