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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:05 am

I have a question for everybody. If Boeing gets many orders for the 777-200ER with either the P&W 4084 or 4090 and the RR Trent 800 series engines instead of the GE90 777X models, could Boeing cancel the exclusive engine deal with GE and add the other two engine manufacturers in on 777LR to get airlines to buy it with the engine they want?
 
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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:16 am

GE has an exclusive agreement on the B777-300 with it's GE90. This was likely a bad move on Boeing's part, as several airlines that purchased GE90s on their B772s are less than enchanted with them at current.
I seem to recall hearing that the exclusivity agreement ran out in November, and if it does, expect to see a Trent engined version and a PW4000 version placed on the market. If I'm mistaken, ignore me.  
 
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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 12:52 pm

The deal will probably come down to price. Boeing will probably price the 777 at a premium (but how much??) over the A340. I think its between the 777-200er, 777-300er vs A340-300, A340-600 to replace the Dc-10, 747-200. Interestingly none of NW's long haul have been twins=not sure if this will factor into the order. Another unknown is Pratt & Whitney engines=they are not offered on the Airbus aircraft (A340) and partially on the 777 series.

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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 1:09 pm

Whatever the choice, it will be weird not seeing so many DC-10s mulling about Detroit Metro....

I think delivery positions will have a big effect...with the new Detroit Metro terminal opening at the end of 2001, I'm sure Northwest will want the first delivery to be around December 2001 or January 2002....so that would bring the question, which will be the quickest delivery, the 777, 340, or 330....

I have no idea which way they will go.....I hope they go 777 and put the seats 3-3-3 like CO did....
Go Blue!!
 
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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 8:29 pm

I think Northwest will go for the 777-200ER with the P&W 4090 engines.
 
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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 9:50 pm

Tedski, first of all, PW and RR aren't really developing engines for the 777X. Second, what difference does it make how many regular 777s are bought? the 777 and the 777X models serve different purposes. There is a big difference in range. If customers did not want it, why did Boeing go and develop it? So no, I don't think increased sales of the regular 777 would change the GE deal. Also, the deal is good indefinately.

Sammy

P.S. Isn't it rumor that Emirates will eventually convert their 777 fleet to GE?
 
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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:00 pm

Sammy what do you make of the new 747X? Could Northwest consider going for this instead of the 777?
 
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RE: Falling Euro

Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:25 pm


The low euro makes a difference especially _because_ Airbus sells in dollars. They make the planes in Euros, so for a fixed price in dollars they can now make more airplane, or equivalently charge less dollars per airplane.

Airbus does, however, use some parts made in the US and the price of the Euro doesn't affect that part of the plane's cost. But overall the weak Euro provides a huge boost to the European maker's planes' competitiveness.

 
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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Thu Sep 21, 2000 11:28 pm

Tedski, I don't think the 747X could take the place of a 777X. Are you talking about the 747-400X?

The 747X can seat 430 and travel over 10,000 miles.
The 777X of similar capacity, the -300X, would carry 365 pax 7200 miles. Quite the difference in range, but not a whole lot in passengers.

Not sure what you are getting at here, but I really don't think there are any "instead of" options, aside from choosing between Airbus and Boeing.

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RE: NW Hunt For New Planes Includes Boeing Visit

Fri Sep 22, 2000 1:16 am

The 747-400X with 10,000 mile range will be terrific for some of Northwest's Pacific routes like from Detroit to Tokyo or Minneapolis/St. Paul to China. Even NY to Tokyo or China the 747 will fit in with Northwest's route structure.

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