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Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:05 am

Now for some months people have been predicting what aircraft Northwest will choose to replace the DC-10.
These have included the B767-400, B777-200 and A330-200 an A330-300. Well, for Northwest's DC-10-40 fleet it appears none of those types will be chosen to replace them.

This week's Flight International, in an article on the B767-400ERX states that Northwest has confirmed their final choices for the competition to replace the DC-10-40, mainly used on Domestic flights. And the winners is.....

The Boeing 757-300 or the Airbus A330-500

The decision will be made by November, this year. If NW go with the B757-300 it can be fully expected they will be the lauch customer for the PW2043 powered variant. If Northwest orders the A330-500 they will obviously be a launch customer for that type.

Given Northwest's reluctance to spend money on new aircraft, and the B757-300s obvious advantage in seat-mile costs, Boeing may well have the edge. Although having said that Airbus can always be relied upon to "spoil the party" for Boeing!

The type chosen will obviously have wider implications for Northwest's future fleet. If the B757 is ordered, then the rest of the DC-10 fleet will likely be replaced by the B767. But why not the B767-300? People seem to have forgotten that aircraft has an identical flightdeck to the B757 and will have the new 777-style cabin by the time Northwest takes delivery of any aircraft. The B767-300 has a much better range, lower operating costs, and because it is smaller it will obviously be easier to fill. Northwest won't pay for the extra capacity of the B767-400ER if they don't need it, and the range penalty may be too great to make the type viable. The B767-400ERX is still an aircraft very early in developement, and it's full capabilities and costs are not yet known.

If the Airbus is chosen, then the A330-200 and A330-300 will likely be selected to replace the rest of the DC-10 fleet. Bringing the usual Airbus familiy benefits of full commonality with the A330-500, and compatibility with the A319 and A320 aircraft already operated by Northwest.

It appears the B777 doesn't even figure in Northwest's fleet plans, at least to replace the DC-10, again because of their cost-conscious fleet stragtegy. The B777 is probably too large for their needs, and has capabilities which go far beyond what the airline requires, but Northwest would still have to pay for all that unwanted capacity and capability. The B757/A330 option also have the advantage of being part of families of aircraft Northwest already operates, as opposed to the B777, which would be a totally new type.

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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:15 am

But the 753 doesn't have the capacity!!

They are very different planes! (The 753 and A330)

Why??

I think it should be the 777 or the A330, not the 753!
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:21 am

Flight International is usually right on the ball.

The A330-500 is the proposed A310 replacement, right? Is it a shrunken A330-200?
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:34 am

Flight International seems to be way off, as it often is, since NW has publicly stated that this is between the 777 and A330/A340. The777Man
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:36 am

The B757-300 looks like being a very good replacement for the DC-10 for US Domestic operators like Northwest, Continental and American. It has the range to operate any domestic flight. It has much much lower operating costs than the DC-10. Even though it is smaller, lower costs mean more profit potential than the DC-10. The DC-10 is not really suited to many of the shorter domestic flights that it is currently used for in today's airline environment (very different from the early 1970s)

The A330-500 and B757-300 are very different. The B757-300 is small, relatively cheap to buy, has enough range and is very cheap to operate. The A330-500 is larger, but also more expensive to buy and operate (seat/mile costs hurt because it is a "double-shrink" of the A330-300), but it does have more range for possible Trans-Atlantic use. Question is;
Will the extra passengers the A330-500 carries cover the extra operating costs over the B757-300?

Airlines are not really interested in capacity any more, but rather yield. They will be very happy to use smaller aircraft (ie 777 instead of 747, 757 insted of DC-10) and make more money through carrying less passengers paying higer fares than fly a DC-10 all the way to Hawaii packed with people on tickets bought with FF miles and make a loss.

Look at BA, since cutting capacity, with smaller aircraft, flying less passengers in total they have increased their pofits!

I can only repeat my comments regards the 777, it isn't in the running. B757-300 or A330-500. The 777 is not an option 
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:48 am

Let me remind everyone that flight deck commonality between narrow bodies and wide bodies does little for the airline. The way the pilot contracts are written pilots are not allowed to switch back and forth between the two. Widebody pilots make more money and it would be a waste to have them fly narrow bodies any ways. I think that flight deck commonality has not boosted sales as much as Airbus anticpated. Thats my 2 cents.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 4:57 am

Could someone tell me something about the A330-500? Is it a longer version to compete with the 767-400? If the A330 is the choice then it should be no problem training A319/A320 pilots to fly this A330 aircraft because the cockpit setup is the same in both Airbus aircraft.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 5:15 am

Have no idea if Flight International was right or wrong but a couple of years ago a saw there a photo of B727 signed by something like "Like many other post-Soviet airlines this one uses Tu154s" (?!!) I'm not saying they can't tell 753 from 777, they just don't look to be a reliable source...
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 5:26 am

A 757-300??? Where in the world did they pull that from?? It doesnt seem right. I would say A330.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 5:35 am

The commonality it has with NWA's 752's...
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 5:38 am

...but if a narrowbody pilot can't switch to widebody, the cockpit commonality really does little. Or it was not correct about pilot contracts? or not correct for Northwest?
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 5:53 am

AAs pilots can switch back and forth from a 757/767, and do so often. There's a little aircraft differences training that has to be done, but nothing major.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 6:22 am

I think that they should think about the 767-300....It doesnt seem like the 757-300 is a very good competitor to the A330. But then Again The 757 is VERY good for trans-cons and inter US. routes...
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 6:27 am

The 753 is an excellent aircraft for high capacity domestic routes, and it is capable of flying transatlantic from the east coast, but it doesn't make sense as a DC-10 replacement. Remeber, NW operates their -10's on a lot of international routes. The 763 doesn't have the capacity to replace the -10. The logical choice would be to do what Continental's doing, ordering a combination of 777's and 764's to replace the DC-10's.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 7:23 am

So is the report true or not?
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 7:26 am

The article made it clear the B757-300/A330-500 were the only candidates for the DC-10-40 replacement. Which, unless I am mistaken, only fly US Domestic flights, so the range of the B757-300 is not a problem, and the fact that the rest of the DC-10 fleet operates internationally isn't an issue.

And yet again we have suggestions that the DC-10 fleet should be replaced by B767-400s and B777-200s. Maybe some will be, but whatever happens, Northwest will have ordered either the B757-300 or A330-500 to replace their DC-10-40s by year end!

Also, don't confuse union rules which may restrict the types a pilot may fly at a particular airline, With type-ratings, an A319/320/321 pilot, after receiving "differences" training can fly these types and the A330 without restriction (subject to currency requirements)

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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 8:38 am

I thought Boeing targeted the 757-300 for primarily European or North American charter airlines. What's the capacity of the '57-300 compared to the '67-300 anyway? Even with the ideal seat mile cost issue, I wonder why they hadn't more heavily considered the 767-2/300 series, at least. From passengers' perspective, widebodies are more comfortable. Is Mr. Dasburg taking that into account? I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually end up purchasing 763s at some point even if they have already expressed a preference for other types.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 9:22 am

I think the key issue here is that NW is over capacity on many domestic routes where DC-10s fly. So a plane like the 777 is out of the question. Brand new type that would require large expenditures just to get ready to operate. The 757-300 seems like a good choice. Commonality from all aspects with the 757-200, which Northwest operates a large number of. Since I don't know much about the A330-500, it sounds interesting, but it probably has the disadvantage in seat/mile costs. The 777 is just too much plane. The 763 may just be too expensive for Northwest to operate domestically. I don't think there is a passenger preference over widebody vs. narrowbody, we could talk about this to the cows come home. But if they find a type that can be run at a low cost and make money that is all that matters.
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sat Sep 23, 2000 10:41 am

Pilots rated in the 757/767 category do fly both types; pilots with UPS fly the B767 to Southeast Asia and then continue flying the B757 within the region for a number of days until they take a B767 leg back to the States.
Regarding the NW issue, I believe that the B753 would b a great replacement for the DC10 domestically & the B763/B764 would be a great replacement for International routes.
Question: What is the load factor on those DC10s for both domestic/international trips???

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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sun Sep 24, 2000 6:27 am

I think a number of airlines are carefully looking at the seat-mile costs of the 757-300 and are liking it more than they anticipated.

This could mean that instead of the 757-300 being sold primarily for charter operators, we may see 753's being sold to the likes of AA, DL, NW and UA as 762 replacements. After all, I believe a standard two-class seating arrangement on the 753 is actually more than the standard seating configurations of 762's.

However, that still leaves a need for a replacement for DC-10-30/40 flying popular US transcon and international routes for NW. I think this will come down to a choice between the 777-200ER or the A330-300.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sun Sep 24, 2000 7:12 am

These are just my thoughts. If NW does replace their DC-10s with 757-300 and 757-300ER that means they will use them on the US West Coast-Hawaii routes. HNL-SFO, HNL-SEA, HNL-LAX planes are very full on the DC-10s already, so will they have the capability to handle these flights? Also, will customers swtich to other airlines. Delta and Continental will use 767-400ERs on their Hawaiian routes. United currently uses 767-300 ERs and will bring in some 777's once they retire their 747s and DC-10s. Although UA uses some 757s, I avoid them, as these 5 plus hour crossings become uncomfortable with the single-aisle planes. Moving about become trouble some. I will be inclined not to fly northwest if they do use the 757-300s on their Hawaiian routes.

As an aside, while it is true that the Hawaiian market was serviced with single-aisle planes in the late '60s and early '70s, the airlines offered more leg room. If more leg rooms are offered on these long transpacific routes, then the flights would be more tolerable. I just hope NW takes these issues into consideration before making their final decisions.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sun Sep 24, 2000 7:51 am

When was this article written? So all the articles that we have seen in the MPLS papers are false? The Mpls Tribune had one late last week saying it was only between the 777 and the A330. and that those were the only aircraft involved. So who are we to believe, the locals or a National magizne? This choice is getting more confusing every day.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sun Sep 24, 2000 8:24 am

Boeing has brought the 757-300 to DFW on a tour stop to show the plane off to AAs top brass. AAs people like the plane and has a common rating for 757-223/767s pilots as well. This is what a AA V.P. told me about the plane. This plane has a capacity of over 200 passengers and can carry a greater amout of baggage, mail, and cargo. It would be difficult flying these planes into a hub and spoke operation as AA has with limited ground time usually 35-50 minutes give or take. These planes are free loaded piece by piece bag per bag, mail, etc. These planes cant accept containers and or cargo pallets as widebodys due. A good route example that AA could fly this plane with would be TPA-DFW-SEA, this flight would be full on both segments with too much mail, bags, cargo to turn the flight around in the allotted ground time. AA has a hard enough time turning the 757-223s as it is now. I think this is why some of the U.S. major carriers are a little apprehensive about the 757-300. Just my thoughts.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sun Sep 24, 2000 8:24 am

Northwest's executives have publicly stated that it is either the A330 or the 777.

'Over-capacity' are you nuts...all the NW DC10s I have been on are packed!!!

Plus, their transatlantic DC10s are always full when I fly them too.

Whoever said the 757-300 had anything to do with it is mistaken. Just the same as as much as I would love to see the 767-400 it isn't what NW is focused on.

777 or A330 that's it.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Sun Sep 24, 2000 1:10 pm

It's not gonna be the 757-300, as NWA747-400 stated. It's between the 777 and the A330. Northwest has said in local Minneapolis papers that it's between the 777 and the A330. If Flight International's information is somehow true, the 757-300 is a balk by Northwest and they will pick the A330. I just can't picture them sending the 757-300 over the pond. Trust me, whichever airplane Northwest orders will be the airplane to replace the DC-10-30s and their transatlantic routes.

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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:09 am

The article which was published this week.

The choice for between the A330-500 and B757-300 is to replace the Domestic DC-10-40 only. These aircraft are obviously not the same ones that will compete to replace the DC-10-30s that are used over the Atlantic and on Northwest's Pacific flights.


Flight International is an industry magazine, they do not pass rumours off as fact like some "spotter" mags do. Their reputation is based on accurate, factual reporting. It is very unlikely they would claim Northwest was going to decide between the 757-300 and A330-500 to replace the DC-10-40, if that wasn't actually the case. The general press has an appalling track record when it comes to reporting aviation issues accurately.

There still seems to be a hardcore of people with their heads in the clouds .... "I think the choice should be between the B777-200 and A330-300 etc. etc..."

Airlines are businesses, with an aim of making a profit. They will use aircraft to best achieve this aim, and Northwest in particular will not spend money on new aircraft that are either too large, or have capabilities far beyond their requirements. Airlines will have no qualms about using the B757 on flights of over 6 hours duration. As several people have also said, a smaller aircraft can make more money than a full widebody because you can cut out the passengers travelling on very cheap fares that the airline wouldn't make money on.

We've only got 'til November to wait to see what aircraft Northwest does choose to replace the DC-10-40. Just don't build up your hopes for the B777-200 or A330-300! Remember Northwest is the airline that is preparing to fly their DC-9s well into the new millennium, and was until very recently still buying second-hand DC-10s. Does that sound like the type of airline that would order the 772/333, just to operate on Domestic flights?

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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:16 am

FI have got it wrong on numerous occasions and on the contrary is little more than a spotter's rag.

NWA have publically announced the decision is between the the 777 and A330. I don't think anybody has their heads in the clouds regarding a public statement issued through normal press channels

Regarding the 330-500, why would NWA base its future domestic long-haul fleet around an aircraft Airbus has not yet committed itself to build???
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:19 am

I think they'll choose the A330-300. They're more interested in Airbus these days.
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:28 am

I'm not saying the 753 is not in the future....however the D10-30's are much older than the -40's and are beginning to become an operational liability whcih for NWA is really saying something.

They will need to place an order soon in order to begin taking deliveries in a few years time.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:37 am

>>>Also, don't confuse union rules which may restrict the types a pilot may fly at a particular airline, With type-ratings, an A319/320/321 pilot, after receiving "differences" training can fly these types and the A330 without restriction (subject to currency requirements)<<<

What does this have to do with "Union rules"??

The fact is that under the seniority system that NWAC, like all US carriers, operate under a pilot flies a certain type and receives pay commensurate with that type. Smaller shorthaul aircraft obviously have lower pay scales than the larger international or transcontinental birds.

A typical progression would be Commuter airline, DC9 pilot, Airbus 32X pilot, Boeing 757, then A330 (if ordered), DC10, etc.....

So not only would a 32X pilot not be able to fly a potential 330, he/she would also be unqualified to do so.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:51 am

Chieftain... It's the other way around. I think you meant to say that the DC-10-40s are much older than the DC-10-30s. McDonnell Douglas chose the -40 designation over the -20 designation, so in reality, the -40s are older than the -30s. NW has -30s manufactured in the late 80s, and -40s manufactured in the early 70s.

And Jet Setter, Northwest wants to have fleet commonality when they order aircraft. They are not an airline like Air France, which operates the A340, 777, and the 747. The aircraft that Northwest orders will be the aircraft to replace the ENTIRE DC-10 fleet. Sure, they will decide the DC-10-40 replacement first, because their fleet of that aircraft is much older than the DC-10-30 fleet in average age. That is why I believe that the 757-300 will not fly under the red and gray as a replacement for the DC-10. You will never see a 753 flying DTW-HNL or SEA-KIX.

One more point, if you're still not convinced. Northwest officials came out in the Minneapolis Star Tribune and said that their decision is between the 777 and A330. Who do you believe? The actual airline or a magazine which has been described on this forum as "little more than a spotters rag" ?

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RE: NWA Man

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:54 am

Thanks for the correction re D10-40's.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:08 am

"Who do you believe? The actual airline or a
magazine which has been described on this forum as "little more than a
spotters rag" ? "

If you value the information and descriptions of this forum more than Flight International, then you are going to always be a severely misinformed person. This forum is regarded as a laughing stock by all the credible internet aviation websites/ groups.

I think you should take a look at the magazine before you make any more statements like that.
 
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RE: FLY DC Jets

Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:15 am

James...
NORTHWEST has said publicly that the choice is between the 777 and A330. The information was taken directly from the Minneapolis Star Tribune, a well respected newspaper in the States.

And, you misread my quote. I did NOT say "Who do you believe? Members from this forum or the magazine?" I said "The actual airline or a magazine which has been described on this forum as "little more than a spotters
rag" ?" The info I have came straight from the airline that will be doing the buying. Is Flight International buying aircraft for NW? Of course not. So I think I'll trust Northwest.

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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:15 am

I have taken a look at the "magazine"...

Like I said, they have got it wrong many times before. Don't trust the forum (I wouldn't either) but what about what NWAC has officially released to the press in the MSP and DTW metropolitan areas. That, I think, should count for at least something.

 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:18 am

Another thing....

Why does everyone keep talking about the A330-500 like its a done deal? Do we even know if Airbus is considering this variant which if, as rumored, would be a shrink of the A330-200? Wouldn't such an aircraft have horrible operating economics? Have Airbus committed to producing it?

 
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Order Timeframe

Mon Sep 25, 2000 5:09 am

When can we expect NW announcing the order for the Dc-10 replacement? Will it be this year? Also will the 747-200 be operated for a while?

sv11
 
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RE:SV11

Mon Sep 25, 2000 6:19 am

SV11, NWA said the selection committee will make a recomendation by the end of this month to the NWA board and probably a decision by Nov. That was in the the MPLS. Tribune a couple of weeks ago.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 8:48 am

The domestic older -40s have to go within 6 months. I think for domestic they will go with the 767-300 and for international 767-400s for Europe and 777-200ER for Europe and the Pacific to replace the 747-200.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 8:51 am

Why do the -40's have to go within 6 months?
I don't think they can replace 10-15 aircraft in such a short period of time.

Can NWAC really pass up a chance to have ONE aircraft for all its needs?

i.e B777-200 (non-ER) and B777ER
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 5:23 pm

"This week's Flight International, in an article on the B767-400ERX states that Northwest has confirmed their final choices for the competition to replace the DC-10-40, mainly used on Domestic flights. And the winners is.....

The Boeing 757-300 or the Airbus A330-500"


That statement from Flight International is very interesting. I'd be curious to know who their source is, considering recenct press releases have stated that top executives have been to AIRBUS recently to "understand the A330 and also the A340 -- 500 and 600 family of airplanes" and are scheduled to visit with Boeing this week to "undertake the same effort with respect to the 777".

There has been no mention of the 757-300 as a viable candidate for replacement of the DC-10's.
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Mon Sep 25, 2000 5:45 pm

...Condor replaced their DC-10 with B757-300s and they seem to be happy with them (not sure, if passengers have the same opinion - I prefered their DC-10s). But I don´t think that would be a good choice for NW. Too small, not enough range, less comfortable - who wants to fly NW 753, if he can fly AA, UA, US or others with 777s or A330/340s?

Even if Flight International is right normally - in this case I cannot believe them.
Or is NW going to make a split? A330-500/B757-300 replacing some of the very old DC-10-40s mainly on the domestic market, bigger Airbusses or Boeings replacing the rest of the DC-10 fleet and some of the 747-200s, new 747-400s replacing the majority of the aging 747-200s?
(but most 747-200s are not due for replacement over the next 5 years)
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Tue Sep 26, 2000 12:04 am

FI is a good magazine if you're following the European aviation community. However, they have made many mistakes on this side of the Atlantic, and will continue to do so. OTOH, AW&ST is good covering the US market, but only so-so tracking the European side. It all evens out in the end. However, one thing that can be trusted is local reporting. I know the Seattle Time and P.I. always crack stories about Boeing ahead of even AW&ST. So if the Minneapolis Tribune reports that NWA told them it's between the 777 or A330, I've got to believe them.

Now, a little update to this story; we all know NWA people spent a week in Toulouse, and then went to Seattle. Well, I don't know if this means anything or not, but I talked to a Boeing employee yesterday, and he told me they are still there, 2 1/2 weeks later. The opinion at the 777 plant is that they will get the order. But then, that's probably the opinion at Toulouse, too.  

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RE: Northwest DC-10-40 Replacement. A Surprise!

Tue Sep 26, 2000 12:13 am

Northwest operates about 20 -40s and they aren't going anywhere within the next 6 months or probably even next year.

The 747-200s still have about 5 years left, but my guess is that NW is looking to order one type now to replace the DC10s AND the 747-200s.

777 all the way!!!!!!!!!Let's hope they make the right decision.

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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos