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What About The A330-500?
Now that SIA has chosen the A3XX I wonder if they´ll order the A335. When will a decision be made? I thought that today a decision was expected over a A310 replacement and not mainly over the superjumbos!
RE: What About The A330-500?
There is a second tender for a A310-replacement. This decision can be expected within a month.
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Gerardo
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RE: What About The A330-500?
One thing is for sure, SIA will get the A340-500 (and keep it), according to today's A3XX press statement.
It will not cancel the order, as many here thought.
No place for the 777X at SIA, I suppose.
Regards
the WorldTraveller
It will not cancel the order, as many here thought.
No place for the 777X at SIA, I suppose.
Regards
the WorldTraveller
RE: What About The A330-500?
I think too that it is very sure SIA is going to take their A340-500, even though I would have expected a cancellation of this order in favour of the 777-200LR. Obviously, the A345 isn´t too bad... If SIA chooses the A335, it would become a REAL big Airbus-customer. Perhaps in this situation even the A340-300Es would make sense in SIA´s fleet...
RE: What About The A330-500?
Why would SIA cancel their 345 order in favour of the 772lr if they placed the 345 order in favour of the 772lr to begin with?
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RW...
I cut and paste here a portion of the press release :
"SIA currently operates a fleet of 92 aircraft, with a further 39 on firm order and 33 on option. It operates 44 B747-400s (of which eight are freighters), 18 Boeing 777s, 15 Airbus A340-300s, and 15 A310-300s."
So you see, it is rather a big Boeing client...But Airbus is gaining....In fact, SIA has a strategy of keeping a high-tech and young fleet, whoever will provide them with the technology...
I perceive the A3XX contract as a sign to Boeing : "Don't do new planes with old stuff.." You can't go forever with upgrading old stuff...If you design new plane, you'll win (777)...
E.
"SIA currently operates a fleet of 92 aircraft, with a further 39 on firm order and 33 on option. It operates 44 B747-400s (of which eight are freighters), 18 Boeing 777s, 15 Airbus A340-300s, and 15 A310-300s."
So you see, it is rather a big Boeing client...But Airbus is gaining....In fact, SIA has a strategy of keeping a high-tech and young fleet, whoever will provide them with the technology...
I perceive the A3XX contract as a sign to Boeing : "Don't do new planes with old stuff.." You can't go forever with upgrading old stuff...If you design new plane, you'll win (777)...
E.
RE: What About The A330-500?
Actually, I don't see SQ going with the A330-500 BECAUSE of today's order. I say this, because unlike U.S. based or European based airlines, most Asian airlines prefer to have a balanced fleet. SQ is certainly no exception. I think the Boeing option (767-400ER/X or, as some have said is possible, 737-800/-900 & 777-200) is probably going to be looked at very hard.
As for the A340-500's, who knows. The A340-300E's are confirmed to be on their way out, and the A340 and A3XX cockpits are not going to be identical, so the commonality benefits go to the 777 on this one. The only problem has been price. The 777LR aircraft are expensive planes, and so far, Boeing has been unwilling to come down at all. The A3XX win, however, might make them budge.
Hamlet69
As for the A340-500's, who knows. The A340-300E's are confirmed to be on their way out, and the A340 and A3XX cockpits are not going to be identical, so the commonality benefits go to the 777 on this one. The only problem has been price. The 777LR aircraft are expensive planes, and so far, Boeing has been unwilling to come down at all. The A3XX win, however, might make them budge.
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RE: What About The A330-500?
Hi Hamlet69
Here's a quote from SIA's press statement:
"The A3XX routes to the USA will entail an intermediate point. They will complement the non-stop services that SIA plans to operate to US points in 2002 with the super-long-range Airbus A340-500."
I says they'll use the A340-500, and this leads me to the conclusion that they won't order the 777X in the near future.
Also, the A3XX and A340-500 will have cockpit commonality, despite the fact that the A3XX cockpit will be updated (don't forget the A340NG cockpits will be updated, too).
Regards
the Worldtraveller
Here's a quote from SIA's press statement:
"The A3XX routes to the USA will entail an intermediate point. They will complement the non-stop services that SIA plans to operate to US points in 2002 with the super-long-range Airbus A340-500."
I says they'll use the A340-500, and this leads me to the conclusion that they won't order the 777X in the near future.
Also, the A3XX and A340-500 will have cockpit commonality, despite the fact that the A3XX cockpit will be updated (don't forget the A340NG cockpits will be updated, too).
Regards
the Worldtraveller
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RE: What About The A330-500?
I forgot to add that I also believe SIA will not order the A330-500 and I don't expect Airbus to go ahead with this aircraft program.
I seriously think the B757-300 is considered by SIA.
Rgds
I seriously think the B757-300 is considered by SIA.
Rgds
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RE: What About The A330-500?
>>>Also, the A3XX and A340-500 will have cockpit commonality, despite the fact that the A3XX cockpit will be updated (don't forget the A340NG cockpits will be updated, too).<<<
have your cake and eat it too i think not
have your cake and eat it too i think not
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RE: What About The A330-500?
WorldTraveller,
I don't think SIA is even considering the B757s at all, past experience with the 757 (4 of them) shows that passengers do not like them, that's why they got rid of it quickly.
As for the A330-500, SIA might choose this one. SIA has indicated that both the A330-200 and B764 are still too big.
The tender will include a package for conversion of options. Most likely A330/A320 vs B767/???. If this was the case, it is still in Airbus favor, since Silkair already operated the A320/319.
Unless Boeing comes up with the B777-100 as confirmed replacement, there is a more likely chance that Airbus may still have the upperhand.
J777
I don't think SIA is even considering the B757s at all, past experience with the 757 (4 of them) shows that passengers do not like them, that's why they got rid of it quickly.
As for the A330-500, SIA might choose this one. SIA has indicated that both the A330-200 and B764 are still too big.
The tender will include a package for conversion of options. Most likely A330/A320 vs B767/???. If this was the case, it is still in Airbus favor, since Silkair already operated the A320/319.
Unless Boeing comes up with the B777-100 as confirmed replacement, there is a more likely chance that Airbus may still have the upperhand.
J777
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RE: What About The A330-500?
WorldTraveler
I am of the mind that not only will SQ keep the A340-500, but quite possibly -ADD- to their initial order!
(Gasp in the background)
Indeed, I believe that SQ will eventually become an A3XX/A345/A335/777/744F operator by the end of this decade, with conversions of formerly passenger 747-400s into cargo configuration gradually over the next 15 years.
Remember, the A330-500 design definition is STILL underway and many options are being discussed. This is way too early to dismiss the A330-500 in SQ livery by a longshot.
I see SQ going for an additional 10-20 A340-500s after the type has been established in service. I see the synergy of using the A3XX and A345 as SIA has discussed in brief detail in their press release and it really makes a LOT of sense to me. I see what they are targeting. Maximum flexibility.
Now, you want to see my predictions for Cathay Pacific? (G)
Regards
MAC
I am of the mind that not only will SQ keep the A340-500, but quite possibly -ADD- to their initial order!
(Gasp in the background)
Indeed, I believe that SQ will eventually become an A3XX/A345/A335/777/744F operator by the end of this decade, with conversions of formerly passenger 747-400s into cargo configuration gradually over the next 15 years.
Remember, the A330-500 design definition is STILL underway and many options are being discussed. This is way too early to dismiss the A330-500 in SQ livery by a longshot.
I see SQ going for an additional 10-20 A340-500s after the type has been established in service. I see the synergy of using the A3XX and A345 as SIA has discussed in brief detail in their press release and it really makes a LOT of sense to me. I see what they are targeting. Maximum flexibility.
Now, you want to see my predictions for Cathay Pacific? (G)
Regards
MAC
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RE: What About The A330-500?
Just some thoughts...
1) I thought that the A345 was going to be an extremely expensive aircraft to operate (esp. since SQ was planning to fit only approx. 180 pax in a larger than A343 frame.), and was destined to be a niche aircraft.
One reason I do not think the A345 fleet may expand.
2) What imbalance btwn Airbus and Boeing is everyone talking about? Boeing's 747s and 777s still will make up the bulk of SQ's fleet. Look at the present fleet/firm orders...
A3XX - 0/10
A345 - 0/5
A343 - 15/2
A313 - 15/-
B744 - 44/7
B772/3 - 18/13
B772ER - 0/12
Airbus' tally in the future is approx. 30. Boeing's 85. I am presuming that SQ orders exactly 15 A335s to replace the A313s. Plus the A343s and A313s are going and the A3XX and A345 are small, "niche" fleets.
3) Therefore I think it's gonna be A335. 'Cos the 764 is simply too big unless ordered with the 762. But that A/C is too old. At least with the A335, they can trade up to the A332.
4) Quite beside the point... but anyway, who thinks SQ will introduce a new corporate identity in conjunction with the A3XX? This one has been around since 1987.
What would you like to see?
1) I thought that the A345 was going to be an extremely expensive aircraft to operate (esp. since SQ was planning to fit only approx. 180 pax in a larger than A343 frame.), and was destined to be a niche aircraft.
One reason I do not think the A345 fleet may expand.
2) What imbalance btwn Airbus and Boeing is everyone talking about? Boeing's 747s and 777s still will make up the bulk of SQ's fleet. Look at the present fleet/firm orders...
A3XX - 0/10
A345 - 0/5
A343 - 15/2
A313 - 15/-
B744 - 44/7
B772/3 - 18/13
B772ER - 0/12
Airbus' tally in the future is approx. 30. Boeing's 85. I am presuming that SQ orders exactly 15 A335s to replace the A313s. Plus the A343s and A313s are going and the A3XX and A345 are small, "niche" fleets.
3) Therefore I think it's gonna be A335. 'Cos the 764 is simply too big unless ordered with the 762. But that A/C is too old. At least with the A335, they can trade up to the A332.
4) Quite beside the point... but anyway, who thinks SQ will introduce a new corporate identity in conjunction with the A3XX? This one has been around since 1987.
What would you like to see?
RE: What About The A330-500?
Yes, MAC_veteran, I would like to see your predictions for CX!
Mine:
A330-300 - regional, another 6-8
B777-300 - regional, another 4
A346 - Transpac routes, maybe 8
B777-300ER - European routes, maybe 6
B744 - as present
A343 - as present, add a few more second hand
B744F - another 6-8
B747 stretch freighter - maybe 4-8
CX is very conservative, unlikely to go ETOPS to USA with the 777-200LR
Mine:
A330-300 - regional, another 6-8
B777-300 - regional, another 4
A346 - Transpac routes, maybe 8
B777-300ER - European routes, maybe 6
B744 - as present
A343 - as present, add a few more second hand
B744F - another 6-8
B747 stretch freighter - maybe 4-8
CX is very conservative, unlikely to go ETOPS to USA with the 777-200LR
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