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New Southwest Service

Mon Oct 02, 2000 11:42 am

The City of Tunica, Mississippi ,which is just south of Memphis, is going to be spending money from their many casinos on the Mississippi River on improving the airport. They will be building a new terminal building and parking area. It is rumored that Southwest has expressed interest to serve the newly improved airport. They will be able to serve Tunia from Dallas Love Field. If people from Memphis will drive to Little Rock, do you think they Southwest can do good business at a location much closer to Memphis? Also could this start a price war between WN and NW?
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DCA-ROCguy
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RE: New Southwest Service

Mon Oct 02, 2000 1:24 pm

Dear AA 737-800,

It's not impossible. Memphis has long been an odd gap for WN in that part of the country, they serve all the neighboring medium-size cities. WN operates a small 20+ flights-daily operation under Darth Dasburg's nose at DTW, so Kelleher mustn't fear him all that much. Figure NW serves all the routes WN does at DTW, it'd be hard to imagine NW not matching WN prices; Dasburg is known as a brutal predatory-pricing and capacity-dumping pit bull.

Yes, there'd be a price war at MEM/ TUN, on the related routes, and WN probably could establish a beachhead. I'm all for anything that gives Dasburg fits anyway. :+)

And if WN flies to Tunica, they won't have to fight for gates at MEM which (please correct me if I'm wrong) is pretty full up. I'd say it's a possibility.

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RE: New Southwest Service

Mon Oct 02, 2000 9:54 pm

What frequency would this station support? I do not see WN opening up w/o several flights daily. One may hope...

...as for the competition thing, WN makes its choices regarding new service based upon whether there is sufficient potential traffic between the points to support such service; their cost structure, efficiency and fortress-like balance sheet assure that they can withstand any airline's fare-cutting competition, and it is probably more entertaining than threatening when another carrier purports to challenge their fares.
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fjnovak1
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RE: New Southwest Service

Mon Oct 02, 2000 11:43 pm

To elaborate on the price-matching comments above, Northwest does match the prices out of Detroit to MDW, BNA, and STL...the only nonstop routes Southwest serves out of DTW...

However, once they acquire more gate space, late next year when NW moves into the new terminal, Southwest wants to start service from DTW to BWI, PVD, MHT, and ISP. Southwest isn't afraid of TW at STL, US at BWI, and Delta Express and Metrojet up and down the East Coast and America West and United on the west coast, so why should they fear Northwest???
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AirCanadaMan
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 1:06 am

Im actually surprised Southwest hasnt considered Gulfport, they have a fairly decent airport, lots of casinos on the coast and beaches, Northwest, Airtran, Canada 3000 and a few smaller airlines fly in there.
Is it becasue is to close to MSY? But Tunica is close to Memphis, so I think they should serve GPT as well as Tunica.
 
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 1:30 am

I have a home very close to Gulfport and pass by their several times a week, and to answer your question about WN I personally don't think that GPT is up to snuff to maintain a SW type of operation. Airtran keeps their one or two gates pretty busy and quite frankly are doing verrry well at GPT. There is only one other gate with a jetway and NW uses that one a 3 or 4 times daily with MEM service. Other carriers include ASA to ATL and Continental Express to IAH. (a former employer)

What GPT sorely needs immediately is a parking garage. During a busy period one has to park their car literally over a quarter mile if not farther and in the grass at that (!!) to the terminal doors. Not very hospitable during our frequent periods of "Liquid Sunshine"

With a parking garage built, a few more gates and make some more ramp space, I'd think that perhaps yet another ailrine would come in to GPT. Always perplexed me as to why US Air never came in. I'm sure that they'd do real well.

Mark from UAL @ MSY
 
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 6:00 am

Dear Fjnovak1,

I was not saying that Southwest has any reason to be scared by Northwest. I was just wondering if Northwest will try to match Southwest fares out of Tunica, or will they just treat it like a fluke and ignore it. Like the way they ignore WN fares out of LIT even though many people from MEM will drive there for Wn flights.
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 8:18 am

How could SW serve Tunica from Love ? Last time I checked, MS is not one of the states surrounding TX required by the Wright Amendment. Or did SW recently configure any of its 737s with 56 seats ?
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 8:42 am

Quoted from Southwest Schedule Book-

"IMPORTANT NOTICE -- Federal law prohibits Southwest from offering sales or providing transportation between Dallas Love Field and oint beyond Texas, Louisana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kansas, and Mississippi."

If help to read the fine print.

BTW-it is in the GENERAL INFORMATION section of the schedule, at the bottom of the second page.
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fjnovak1
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 8:52 am

I was saying "why should they fear NW" as more of an endorsement for new Southwest service...

But is this airport (TUN) equipped with getes to handle 737s???
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 9:04 am

I don't EVER remember any commercial jet service into Tunica, and I cannot see it starting any time soon. The largest plane that Tunica can handle would be a Learjet-type aircraft...possibly a Challenger or a Falcoln as well. Forget about bringing a 73 in there. Most likely equipment would be a turboprop.

Stephen in MSY
 
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 9:22 am

Tunica is located in the Nation's poorest county! I strongly suggest that they spend the money on improving education and othe quality of life measures before the airport. Living in upstate NY, I've seen many communities (SYR, ELM, ITH) spend county tax dollars to renovate and expand their airports all to see Allegheny (US Air Ex.) continue flying DHC-8s with ridiculous fares.

Also, Alabama, Kansas, and Mississippi were only very recently added to the list of permissable states accessabile from Love Field. The law that added them was the same one that allowed ANY 56 seat plane to violate the border states from Love, not just those designed for 56. This law is quite significant as it paved the way for Legend to begin service.

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Southwest Did Consider GPT

Tue Oct 03, 2000 9:54 am

Yes,
Southwest did consider GPT, infact they are already planning a 19 Gate Concourse! So SWA will probaly come to GPT soon. I personally favor MOB instead of GPT. Mobile has lower fares, cheaper food, bigger facility, and friendliest staff around. Plus they will be all jet next month  . I do not favor that 19 gate concourse in GPT. I think Southwest should consider MOB though.

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jmc1975
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 10:01 am

For what it's worth, I've heard rumors for new startup service to Allentown, PA (because of its close proximity to Philadelphia), Richmond, VA (for those living south of the Beltway), and Colorado Springs. Nothing is confirmed. Does anyone know about any other potential cities?
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mdsmith11
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 3:01 pm

Where did ya hear 'bout the "19 Gate Concourse"?? Please give me a link or send me an article. I have some connections in the Harrison County Chamber of Commerce and they were all unaware of this. Besides, as stated before GPT needs some place to park all of those cars besides in the muddy grass before any new gates should be buil...in my opinion.

Mark from UAL @ MSY
 
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RE: New Southwest Service

Tue Oct 03, 2000 3:08 pm

Does GPT really have room for a 19 gate concourse?? I've been to GPT before and I didn't think they had that much room??

As for the battle for Southwest along the Gulf Coast, I think it will come down to MOB or PNS. GPT is close enough to drive to MSY where as you get out towards MOB and PNS, the drive becomes less desirable. GPT also has plenty of lowfare service with Airtran there. MOB and PNS have no lowfare carriers. Fares in both MOB and especially PNS are still high and both cities are still dominated by Delta. Both are good choices for SWA but it might still be a while before SWA shows up. I think there are a few other cities that are higher priority.
 
FrontierMan
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RE: New Southwest Service

Wed Oct 04, 2000 4:31 am

It would be fun to see AirTran and Southwest go at it. I think AirTran is better run personally, and I believe that Southwest's aircraft are rather large for the market, but whatever's Herb thinks is best. I think they'll run into some serious compeition form Delta is they move into any sort of Florida-TUN route. After all, DL has a bad rep for AirTran competition. Remember those Richmond and Knoxville routes. Thank Delta, because that's why they are gone now.
 
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RE: New Southwest Service

Wed Oct 04, 2000 8:52 am

FrontierMan: If AirTran is better run, then why does Southwest perpetually make more money???

As far as Tunica is concerned...I doubt it, though I vehemently disagree with the poster who mentioned that the money for capital improvements to an airport would be better spent on education.

IF they were to spend money on an airport...it could conceivably become an economic engine that would spew tax revenues into the school district for years to come.

Sort of the old "give a man a fish...teach a man to fish" argument.

At any rate...my gut feeling is that if WN does decide to enter the Memphis, TN metro area market it will be through the airport at Olive Branch, MS. (OLV)
 
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RE: New Southwest Service

Wed Oct 04, 2000 9:26 am

Southwest at the same age as Valujet/Airtran had 12 planes okay? AirTran took in 120 million dollar profit I believe, and AirTran has a very good customer reputation. If you're wondering where I got this information, it was from Joeseph Leonard himself who was in Canton last Wednesday. You have to compare airlines at the same age. It's not a fair comparison to face AirTran versus Southwest if they aren't the same age. Now, I know that SW ran into the Deregulation era, but I'm not sure about that.

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