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United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:35 am

Welcome to the 6th Installment of the the United/Continental Fleet Upgrade Status Thread. The previous thread was getting far too large so I have decided to start a new one. The previous thread can be found here- United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 5 (by ZKNCL Mar 31 2011 in Civil Aviation)

New Livery

United
A319 (15/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 826, 838-844 [7], 852-854 [3].
A320 (28/97) 415-416 [2], 419-421 [3], 424, 428-429 [2], 437-439 [3], 443-444[2], 454, 457-469 [13], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (22/96) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-507 [2], 514, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 537, 542, 547-548 [2], 570, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (3/35) 643, 656, 673.
B772 (24/52) 209, 211, 216-217 [2], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.
Total United (96/359) = 26.74%

Continental
B735 (9/30) 27610, 17619, 19621-18622 [2], 24633, 14639, 16642, 16646, 16648.
B73G (32/36) 16701-17719 [19], 23721-27724/39726-27733 [12], 13750. [Only Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (79/130) 24202, 35204, 11206-36207 [2], 26210-14214 [5], 12216-36226 [11], 14228-17229 [2], 17233-16234 [2], 14237-12238 [2], 54241-17244 [4], 14250, 76256, 35260-33262 [3], 73276, 73278-77295 [18], 73299, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) 58101-19141 [41] COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) 57851-77871 [21] COMPLETED.
B762 (5/9) 76151-69154 [4], 76156.
B764 (15/16) 66051-76055 [5], 66057-77066 [10].
B772 (22/22) 78001-77022 [22] COMPLETED.
Total Continental (260/350) = 74.28%


Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834.
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (71/101) 18101-24103 [3], 11106-11119 [14], 11121-11324 [4], 12126-11127 [2], 21129-13133 [5], 12135-21144 [10], 17146-11150 [5], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166, 14171-12172 [2], 11176, 14179-33182 [4], 11184, 14188, 27190-12196 [7], 11199, 12201-14203 [3].
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (63/140) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575, 14904, 14916, 17928, 14933, 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 14950-22971 [22], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 14991, 13995, 13997.
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (4/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 513MJ, 515MJ.
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (1/63) 917SW.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Q200 CommutAir (3/16) 358PH, 367PH, 369PH.
Q300 CommutAir (3/3) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA. (2 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (28/29) 187WQ, 190WQ-191WQ [2], 195WQ-196WQ [2], 199WQ, 202WQ-204WQ [3], 208WQ-209WQ [2], 213WQ, 214WQ, 323NG, 328NG, 332NG, 333NG, 336NG, 338NG-342NG [5], 345NG-346NG [2], 351NG, 354NG, 356NG.
Saab 340B Colgan (0/17)
Total Express (174/612) = 28.43%

TOTAL (530/1321- 40.12%)

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:40 am

Looks like N673UA (763 2-class) has not flown for about two weeks per FlightAware. Anyone know why?
Are the interior mods planned for some of the domestic configuration 763s likely to start soon?
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:15 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 1):
Looks like N673UA (763 2-class) has not flown for about two weeks per FlightAware. Anyone know why?
Are the interior mods planned for some of the domestic configuration 763s likely to start soon?

Perhaps it's getting painted?
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:58 pm

Why is it taking so long to re-paint the 319 fleet?

The 763s I can understand since several are also due for heavy maintenance.

But the 319s get into so many more airports. Would you not want their branding changed faster?
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:27 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 3):

But the 319s get into so many more airports. Would you not want their branding changed faster?

Because they are needed to fly into so many airports. They just started painting the PMUA airplanes in Jan/Feb. It's 5 months in.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 3):
Why is it taking so long to re-paint the 319 fleet?
Quoting DualQual (Reply 4):

Because they are needed to fly into so many airports. They just started painting the PMUA airplanes in Jan/Feb. It's 5 months in.

We haven't seen a comprehensive repaint update of the UA fleet on this thread in some time. Right now, all we are relying on are pictures and spotting reports, which will seem much slower.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:01 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 5):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 3):
Why is it taking so long to re-paint the 319 fleet?
Quoting DualQual (Reply 4):

Because they are needed to fly into so many airports. They just started painting the PMUA airplanes in Jan/Feb. It's 5 months in.

I don't see the 319 fleet being behind in painting. I'm sure we'd all like this completed soon, but it takes time.
Here are the percentages of aircraft completed from the last posted update.
772 46%
320 28%
319 27%
752 22%
744 13%
763 9%
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:21 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 6):
I don't see the 319 fleet being behind in painting. I'm sure we'd all like this completed soon, but it takes time.
Here are the percentages of aircraft completed from the last posted update.
772 46%
320 28%
319 27%
752 22%
744 13%
763 9%

I'm only surprised because I'm almost always on a 'globe-tail' 320 or a battleship gray 319, yet they're being painted at the same percentage rate (I've done 89 segments since Jan 2nd).
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:04 am

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
Perhaps it's getting painted?

No. See the list in the thread starter and the photo below. Ship N673UA is one of three 767s that are already painted.

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It appears that this aircraft ferried IAD to TPA on 14-May. I'm asking if it perhaps went to Pemco for an interior upgrade. There were some rumors that UAs ghetto-767s would be refreshed with a CO-style interior - especially for F class seats - and that they could then be cross-fleeted.

(Edited for clarity)

[Edited 2011-06-03 20:11:34]
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:42 am

Quoting WestWing (Reply 8):
I'm asking if it perhaps went to Pemco for an interior upgrade.



Possible but the conversions to a J/Y configuration are not supposed to start until the fall.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:31 pm

Amwest2United added this to the previous thread before it was locked - just what many have waited for.

Additionally, 735 N19623 has gone to AMA.

Have included all planned entries until 7 June.

PMUA Update:

B777-200

N225UA exited paint on 5/20
N777UA exited paint on 6/4

N222UA is in IPTE Conversion est to exit 6/20

B767-300
N647UA will exit paint on 6/14


N757-200
N588UA exited paint on 5/23
N572UA exited paint on 6/2
N542UA will exited paint on 6/7


Airbus A320
N404UA exited paint on 5/28
N454UA exited paint on 5/27

N409UA will exit paint on 6/5, N405UA will enter
N418UA will exit paint on 6/7, N456UA will enter
N435UA will enter on 6/5

Airbus A319
N844UA exited paint on 5/12
N826UA exited paint on 5/26
N824UA will exit paint on 6/5

New Livery

United
A319 (16/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 824, 826, 838-844 [7], 852-854 [3].
A320 (34/97) 404-405 [2], 409, 415-416 [2], 418-421 [4], 424, 428-429 [2], 435, 437-439 [3], 443-444[2], 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (23/96) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-507 [2], 514, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 537, 542, 547-548 [2], 570, 572, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (4/35) 643, 647, 656, 673.
B772 (24/52) 209, 211, 216-217 [2], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.
Total United (105/359) = 29.24%

Continental
B735 (10/30) 27610, 17619, 19621-19623 [3], 24633, 14639, 16642, 16646, 16648.
B73G (32/36) 16701-17719 [19], 23721-27724/39726-27733 [12], 13750. [Only Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (80/130) 24202, 35204, 11206-36207 [2], 26210-14214 [5], 12216-36226 [11], 14228-17229 [2], 17233-16234 [2], 14237-12238 [2], 54241-17244 [4], 14250, 76256, 35260-33262 [3], 73276, 73278-77295 [18], 73299, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) 58101-19141 [41] COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) 57851-77871 [21] COMPLETED.
B762 (5/9) 76151-69154 [4], 76156.
B764 (15/16) 66051-76055 [5], 66057-77066 [10].
B772 (22/22) 78001-77022 [22] COMPLETED.
Total Continental (262/350) = 74.85%


Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834.
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (71/101) 18101-24103 [3], 11106-11119 [14], 11121-11324 [4], 12126-11127 [2], 21129-13133 [5], 12135-21144 [10], 17146-11150 [5], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166, 14171-12172 [2], 11176, 14179-33182 [4], 11184, 14188, 27190-12196 [7], 11199, 12201-14203 [3].
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (63/140) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575, 14904, 14916, 17928, 14933, 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 14950-22971 [22], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 14991, 13995, 13997.
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (4/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 513MJ, 515MJ.
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (1/63) 917SW.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Q200 CommutAir (3/16) 358PH, 367PH, 369PH.
Q300 CommutAir (3/3) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA. (2 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (28/29) 187WQ, 190WQ-191WQ [2], 195WQ-196WQ [2], 199WQ, 202WQ-204WQ [3], 208WQ-209WQ [2], 213WQ, 214WQ, 323NG, 328NG, 332NG, 333NG, 336NG, 338NG-342NG [5], 345NG-346NG [2], 351NG, 354NG, 356NG.
Saab 340B Colgan (0/17)
Total Express (174/612) = 28.43%

TOTAL (541/1321- 40.95%)

[Edited 2011-06-04 06:42:52]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:41 pm

Boeing just identified a previous unidentified customer order for eleven 737NG as CO/UA's.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...test-week-20110602,0,1283389.story
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:59 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 1):
Looks like N673UA (763 2-class) has not flown for about two weeks per FlightAware. Anyone know why?

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting amwest2united (Reply 12):
Standard C Check

Thanks for that info!
I was getting my hopes up that they might have already started the CO 2-1-2 BusinessFirst conversion on the domestic 767s. Interesting that the painting of this aircraft (in Jan 2011) was not delayed till after the C-check.

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:15 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 13):
2-1-2 BusinessFirst

The configuration is going to be 2-1-2 however "BusinessFirst" is no longer going to be used for branding...it will simply be known as Business class.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:21 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
Quoting WestWing (Reply 13):2-1-2 BusinessFirst
The configuration is going to be 2-1-2 however "BusinessFirst" is no longer going to be used for branding...it will simply be known as Business class.

Will they converge on ONE business product? If yes, which one will it be?

Being a product manager myself, using a 4 class product on certain international routes and a 3 class product on others will work, however, offering 2 different kinds of business class and also calling both business class could confuse customers.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:29 pm

Quoting UA933 (Reply 15):
Being a product manager myself, using a 4 class product on certain international routes and a 3 class product on others will work, however, offering 2 different kinds of business class and also calling both business class could confuse customers.

Please correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that the two business class hard products are very similar, both new true lie flat.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
however "BusinessFirst" is no longer going to be used for branding...it will simply be known as Business class.

Yes, thank you. Also for your earlier clarification that the 767 domestic J/Y conversions are not scheduled till Fall.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:38 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):

The configuration is going to be 2-1-2 however "BusinessFirst" is no longer going to be used for branding...it will simply be known as Business class.

Right. When I refer to BF of BusinessFirst now it is just to differentiate the seat designs.

Quoting UA933 (Reply 15):
offering 2 different kinds of business class and also calling both business class could confuse customers.

The CO side has expressed a desire for consistency and also to improve the service quality of the United premium products. This leads me to believe the Business product will be brought up to the BF standard and offered on all longhaul flights.

I'm pretty certain the First product will be improved and relaunched as well.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:56 pm

Quoting UA933 (Reply 15):
Will they converge on ONE business product? If yes, which one will it be?

The seats are similar enough, and are going to be reupholstered so that they look even more alike, that it really won't matter in this case. Both are manufactured by BE Aerospace so while they are different models ( PMCO uses "Diamond" type seats while PMUAs are a custom creation.) they are close enough. The rumor is that PMCOs soft product will be updated a bit and rolled out as the standard business class soft product with UA First rolling out a significantly upgraded soft product.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 17):
thank you.

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 19):
The rumor is that PMCOs soft product will be updated a bit and rolled out

Hopefully that includes new china and barware. CO's china pattern looks so 1984. UA's doesn't appear as dated but it's not great either. That would be a nice upgrade to meal service in premium cabins.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:18 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
The configuration is going to be 2-1-2 however "BusinessFirst" is no longer going to be used for branding...it will simply be known as Business class.

Its my understanding they are going to use the current Sub-UA branding of "United ______"

United First

United Business

United Economy

Quoting UA933 (Reply 15):
Being a product manager myself, using a 4 class product on certain international routes and a 3 class product on others will work, however, offering 2 different kinds of business class and also calling both business class could confuse customers.

Yea I was thinking that perhaps the CO seat would be used on any aircraft without first and UA's seat with First. I think that should be easy to understand for people but unfortunately most people when buying their tickets don't see that availability, they can only see if their requested cabin is open and its price.

I wonder if these seats were originally ordered for the 767-200's and now the order was simply expanded to accommodate the 767-300's.

I still wonder if they will continue to use these for some of the Hawaii service as well as international or not. If so will they also move the two cabin 777's to a business class seat in the F cabin or stay with the domestic F. It sure will be interesting to see the 2 cabin UA 777's in NRT twice a day!!!

Quoting United787 (Reply 16):
Please correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that the two business class hard products are very similar, both new true lie flat.

Actually the UA product is a bit smaller width wise. As a person of size, I can definitely feel the difference when I fly on one VS the other.



on a different note, its great to see the mainline fleet is over 50% completed already!

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:27 pm

After a careful look, and as I drive by SFO or use the BART sometimes, you get to see side by side UA/CO in both new paint and old. I must say they should have kept the UA colors. The white with underbelly blue/dark blue and faded tulip on the tail looks way much better. Just my opinion.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:50 pm

Quoting kamboi (Reply 22):
After a careful look, and as I drive by SFO or use the BART sometimes, you get to see side by side UA/CO in both new paint and old. I must say they should have kept the UA colors. The white with underbelly blue/dark blue and faded tulip on the tail looks way much better. Just my opinion.

If I was a sarcastic person (of course I'm not) I'd say CO/UA got a good deal on Euro-white paint.   

Right now, it's more important to get the same name on all the planes.

Management has more than the amount of negative feedback they need on current branding to begin investigating a new long term solution.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:44 am

Quoting PacificClipper (Reply 20):

UNITED just changed their china within the past couple of years to simple white. The blue floral pattern MUST GO! If the new UNITED wants a better brand experience on board, rethinking the details is critical. As the saying goes...god is in the details! Ask SQ!
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:54 am

Quoting VC10er (Reply 24):
The blue floral pattern MUST GO! If the new UNITED wants a better brand experience on board, rethinking the details is critical.

Hmmm.

Does that mean we lose the double-handle combination soup dish / yogurt cup we get in CO domestic First?

I think they are so cool.

I guess I'll tuck one under my jacket next time I fly on the CO side
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:24 am

Three make the trip to/from Amarillo: N27205, N16617, N62631. CO aircraft just passed the 75% completed rate.

New Livery

United
A319 (16/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 824, 826, 838-844 [7], 852-854 [3].
A320 (34/97) 404-405 [2], 409, 415-416 [2], 418-421 [4], 424, 428-429 [2], 435, 437-439 [3], 443-444[2], 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (23/96) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-507 [2], 514, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 537, 542, 547-548 [2], 570, 572, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (4/35) 643, 647, 656, 673.
B772 (24/52) 209, 211, 216-217 [2], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.
Total United (105/359) = 29.24%

Continental
B735 (12/30) 27610, 16617, 17619, 19621-19623 [3], 62631, 24633, 14639, 16642, 16646, 16648.
B73G (32/36) 16701-17719 [19], 23721-27724/39726-27733 [12], 13750. [Only Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (81/130) 24202, 35204-27205 [2], 11206-36207 [2], 26210-14214 [5], 12216-36226 [11], 14228-17229 [2], 17233-16234 [2], 14237-12238 [2], 54241-17244 [4], 14250, 76256, 35260-33262 [3], 73276, 73278-77295 [18], 73299, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) 58101-19141 [41] COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) 57851-77871 [21] COMPLETED.
B762 (5/9) 76151-69154 [4], 76156.
B764 (15/16) 66051-76055 [5], 66057-77066 [10].
B772 (22/22) 78001-77022 [22] COMPLETED.
Total Continental (265/350) = 75.71%


Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834.
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (71/101) 18101-24103 [3], 11106-11119 [14], 11121-11324 [4], 12126-11127 [2], 21129-13133 [5], 12135-21144 [10], 17146-11150 [5], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166, 14171-12172 [2], 11176, 14179-33182 [4], 11184, 14188, 27190-12196 [7], 11199, 12201-14203 [3].
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (63/140) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575, 14904, 14916, 17928, 14933, 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 14950-22971 [22], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 14991, 13995, 13997.
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (4/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 513MJ, 515MJ.
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (1/63) 917SW.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Q200 CommutAir (3/16) 358PH, 367PH, 369PH.
Q300 CommutAir (3/3) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA. (2 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (28/29) 187WQ, 190WQ-191WQ [2], 195WQ-196WQ [2], 199WQ, 202WQ-204WQ [3], 208WQ-209WQ [2], 213WQ, 214WQ, 323NG, 328NG, 332NG, 333NG, 336NG, 338NG-342NG [5], 345NG-346NG [2], 351NG, 354NG, 356NG.
Saab 340B Colgan (0/17)
Total Express (174/612) = 28.43%

TOTAL (544/1321- 41.18%)
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:46 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 18):
This leads me to believe the Business product will be brought up to the BF standard and offered on all longhaul flights.

Not sure if one is really better than the other though. CO has better food that I'll admit, but the hard product is pretty similar and service isn't better by default on CO just because JD Power says so (IMO).

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 21):
Actually the UA product is a bit smaller width wise. As a person of size, I can definitely feel the difference when I fly on one VS the other.

The CO seat looses in length, though. It's how they fit the same amount of seats in while cutting down on the horizontal count (2-1-2 767). Also, the footwell is too small, especially on window seats. it's impossible to put two feet inside. I guess I'm too tall, but in this respect, I'd rather have the 2-2-2 IPTE business seat than the CO diamond 2-1-2. Most people see 2-1-2 (or 2-2-2 on the 772) and think that by default, it must be better than the UA seat. There's other factors to consider, though.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:06 am

Quoting KFitz (Reply 27):
Not sure if one is really better than the other though. CO has better food that I'll admit, but the hard product is pretty similar and service isn't better by default on CO just because JD Power says so (IMO).

I'm not going to get into arguing the merits of the hard product, they are far too similar, (although 2-4-2 on the 777/747 is a bit too dense for my taste) but it is certainly not a stretch to say that the CO BusinessFirst product is a cut above United Business, as it should be. CO did not have a First Class product to attract the top end of the market.

Meal service, drinks, pax:crew ratio, ground services, etc., seem to be better with BF than UA Business. It's been discussed rather extensively that both of United's premium international products will be upgraded, and I think the BusinessFirst product is even something that the most fervent CO basher can concede that they get right! 
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:38 am

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 26):
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Saab 340B Colgan (0/17)

Anybody know when these will be painted?

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Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:29 am

Just got word the Skywest CR2s(most) are being pulled for repaint, and unfortunately for me...being replaced with EMB-120s. N959SW is on it's way for a repaint.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:41 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 28):
Meal service, drinks, pax:crew ratio, ground services, etc., seem to be better with BF than UA Business. It's been discussed rather extensively that both of United's premium international products will be upgraded, and I think the BusinessFirst product is even something that the most fervent CO basher can concede that they get right!

In all all honesty (and 100% respectfully), I don't think that's the case. Let's start on the ground: PC drinks used to be free. It paraded as a vast improvement when UA stopped using drink chits and gave away free booze like CO, but the reality is, they also downgraded the alcohol to the cheap[er] stuff CO was using. Nobody talks about that. And it's generally accepted that RCC food > Presidents Club, so I hope they improve PC catering to RCC levels. And the other fact is, UGS/1K got drinks already for free. So for them, the highest value customers, they saw a downgrade, to cheaper booze. Free wifi is wonderful, and CO gets credit for that.

Moving onboard, I don't know, I don't buy into this whole idea that the CO diamond seats are so much better than UA IPTE C. I just want to start by saying, I don't have any problem with the CO product. It's a good product. I've flown in three times now (one a domestic repositioning). I've studied it as intensively as I could (for comparisons sake), and am trying to be as objective as I can. But when I'm being realistic about it - while some of the most feverish CO fans here have heralded the CO Diamond product as the second coming of god - better than anything else out there, in my opinion, it's a midpack business product at best, compared to other (albeit premium) carriers like SQ/EK, etc. But keep in mind, it's also better than LH/QF, so be as it may.

The biggest problem I have/had with the CO flatbeds? The lack of length and footspace. Everybody (especially on airlines.net) gets all hot and heavy over the arrangement. "2-2-2 on a 777...wow this is wonderful!". Like I said before, I don't buy it. The width between the seats is, in real life, nearly the same as the UA seats (marginally speaking), even if they are 2-4-2 (777). The reality is, to fit in roughly the same amount of seats, CO packed in the seats tighter than UA did - they decreased the length, and by my own guestimation, it's worse than the 744 U/D C seats, which is definitely saying something. Then you have the footroom. I flew IAH-LHR, and had a window seat, and to say the very least, the foot cubby was honestly a complete disaster. I could not fit both feet in the cubby - it was barely big enough for one foot I don't see anybody talking about this for some strange reason. But with the shorter length and a smaller amount of footroom in the cubby, I found the seat more uncomfortable to sleep in than in UA C, which is longer, and has more footroom. Mind you, the bulkhead seats in BF have almost as much footspace as a United FIrst Suite, but no other seat does unfortunately.

Here you can see, form a recent trip report, the lack of footroom I am speaking of

http://www.shrani.si/f/2B/aR/17PDagf1/h054.jpg
To all those who wonder how/why any flyer would pay/upgrade to United First, here's why:

http://www.hflight.net/blahdocs/uploads/ua869_16_2598.jpg

Now soft product. All to often I see people online parading around wild generalizations that suit their own bias. "UA is so great!". "DL is the best C product there is!". Objectively speaking, from my own experience (which, by virtue, may significantly differ from other's), I found the service onboard to be consistent from what I'd expect from UA. It was friendly, warm, in a distinctly American way. No, the FA isn't going to service your every command like on EK or SQ, but there was nothing to really complain about. Was the seat better than United C, generally speaking? Honest to god, and I say this with all the objectivity in my heart. - No. It was very similar to UA C. Yes, there were less seats across, but the physical space I had while laying down was noticeably worse than UA, which was a let down. And contrary to what some say here, I didn't find the seat to be even close to rivaling the United First product, which also gets derided here a lot (I am guessing by a majority of people who haven't flown on it and derive their "opinions" from pictures they see on their computer). In sum, I don't see how CO BF is really in another league v. UA C. They are too similar for me to think one is truly "better than the other" (by any substantial margin). I'd end it by saying that if CO Diamond BF gets so much praise for having a 2-2-2 layout (on 772), UA C should also get credit for being 1) longer in length, and 2) having improved footroom.

Do I personally buy into the fact that since CO wins JD Power awards that they offer better customer service than UA? To their general customers, yes. But to high value elites (UGS/1K), no. The JD Power survey is a populist one that doesn't really take into account the treatment of elites (which are, honestly, the customers the airline cares most about). CO does 1) offer the same compensation to elites that UA does, 2) has worse IRROPS performance, 3) Has actively been diminishing UGS/1K benefits (boarding, EQM qualification, removing pillows from domestic F, taking away PMUA blankets for PMCO hospital gauze ones), and 4) simply doesn't have as many high revenue travelers (paying paid F), as UA does. United, being focused primarily in tier one/business/govnt./slot restricted/premier hubs around the world, will obviously be more "entrenched" in this respect, and they are. I find that gets lost in this "merger of equals" PR stuff from the management. Make no mistake, UA was the larger entity here - 2x the amount of wide body aircraft, 5th freedom NRT authority, strong presences in all major business destinations around the world (NRT/LHR/FRA/HKG/PEK), 3-cabin service ($17,000 walkup First Class fares), hubs in Chicago, Washington, San Francisco, Los Angeles - all premier locations, and most of all, has been a larger entity for the last three decades than CO has honestly ever been. I am sorry if it sounds like I am gloating or trying to boost my own ego, or worse trying to entice people on "the other side", but I am only trying to be as objective as I can. CO is a great airline, and I respect them a lot.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:59 am

Quoting Venom831 (Reply 30):
and unfortunately for me...being replaced with EMB-120s. N959SW is on it's way for a repaint.

We discussed this in another thread -- how the 120s are rated at 900 sm. range -- but how some of the routes this means they would have to fly (like GEG-DEN and ELP-LAX) are right on the cusp of that.

I guess they'll be a lot of tech stops
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:14 pm

Quoting KFitz (Reply 31):
PC drinks used to be free. It paraded as a vast improvement when UA stopped using drink chits and gave away free booze like CO, but the reality is, they also downgraded the alcohol to the cheap[er] stuff CO was using. Nobody talks about that.

Have you been in the RCC lately? All new (very good) beer selections systemwide. A major improvement since the merger and bodes well for the merged UA product.

Quoting KFitz (Reply 31):
I don't buy into this whole idea that the CO diamond seats are so much better than UA IPTE C.

I never suggested that. I prefer 2-2-2 to 2-4-2 and like to face forward when I travel. Just a matter of personal preference, that's all. It's the same thing for me on the train.

Quoting KFitz (Reply 31):
some of the most feverish CO fans here have heralded the CO Diamond product as the second coming of god - better than anything else out there

Again, you won't find me among those people, and I really haven't seen this, to be honest. In my opinion, the best J seat out there belongs to US on their A332 and some A333.

Quoting KFitz (Reply 31):
The width between the seats is, in real life, nearly the same as the UA seats (marginally speaking), even if they are 2-4-2 (777).

If we want to speak generally (or 'marginally'), the length of the CO seat is 'marginally' the same as the UA seat!  
Quoting KFitz (Reply 31):
Now soft product.

Your post was a thoughtful analysis, but when you transition to soft product, you simply gloss over what is perhaps the best aspect of BusinessFirst in favor of continued discussion of the hard product where the two are much more competitive. Consider:

- A well-stocked amenity kit
- Very 'rich' meal service (hot appetizer course, four entree choices, separate fruit and cheese course, two dessert choices)
- Concierge service on the ground (will be merged into UAGS, but presently available for all BF pax)
- Arrivals facility access at mostly all airports with showers (available for ALL ticketed pax, not just full-fare)
- Better crew:pax ratio

United has a quality business class product, but I think it would be an unequivocal improvement if CO's BusinessFirst service standard were adopted at the merged airline. Objectively, United does a lot of things better than Continental (if you asked me, most things) but I just don't think international business class is one of them.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:00 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 33):
and like to face forward when I travel.

It's funny that on older WN 735s, there are rear-facing seats at the bulkheads and no one seems to mind and no one ever complains (probably since an unoccupied rear-facing seat becomes a free foot rest).

But on the 767s it is *really* hard to get used to.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:22 pm

Quoting KFitz (Reply 31):
I flew IAH-LHR, and had a window seat, and to say the very least, the foot cubby was honestly a complete disaster. I could not fit both feet in the cubby - it was barely big enough for one foot I don't see anybody talking about this for some strange reason.

   I have found this to be the case for me. But then again, I am a big blob.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 33):
Objectively, United does a lot of things better than Continental (if you asked me, most things) but I just don't think international business class is one of them.

How about a list ? Fulfill a curiousity.

This Sunday, the first of 96 pre-merger UNITED 757s is coming to MCOMX for a inspection, LPV or a Reliability check. Too bad I will not be there. Would like to see what we will be dealing with. Hear from TPAMX that preUAL is shabbier than preCAL.
You are here.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 33):
Again, you won't find me among those people, and I really haven't seen this, to be honest. In my opinion, the best J seat out there belongs to US on their A332 and some A333.

Com'on CODC10, why on earth would you think that? US's first class product is a joke compared to CO, UA, DL, AA etc.

I think the best lie flat business class product is on DL's 777s. UA's and CO's although are very competitive, and combined they have a ton of lie flat F and J seats between the 744, 763, 757, and 777. I do think the CO 757 BF product looks a bit cramped for it's own good though, despite all the bells and whistles the seat itself presents.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 33):
Have you been in the RCC lately? All new (very good) beer selections systemwide. A major improvement since the merger and bodes well for the merged UA product.

The comp booze at the RCC's was a great call.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:05 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 34):
It's funny that on older WN 735s, there are rear-facing seats at the bulkheads and no one seems to mind and no one ever complains (probably since an unoccupied rear-facing seat becomes a free foot rest).


I am under the impression that the rear-facing seats on WN are LONG gone...

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 35):
How about a list ? Fulfill a curiousity.

From a top-tier elite passenger's point of view, United has/had a much more comprehensive plan for dealing with these customers during irregular operations, and certainly a very cushy compensation regime. CO seems to have a much more egalitarian approach in terms of passenger recognition and services. I never had a problem with CO, it's just that I thought UA did a lot of things better from the customer relations standpoint. For example, Economy Plus, SWUs (CO did not have these for a long, long time), an industry-leading top tier elite program, and a dramatically (I cannot emphasize this enough) more responsive customer relations department are four aspects of the product I usually cite as part of a favorable UA legacy.

Continental brings many positives to the table too, including their enviable maintenance record. I am pleased that UA is being raised to CO's standard in this regard.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 36):
Com'on CODC10, why on earth would you think that? US's first class product is a joke compared to CO, UA, DL, AA etc.

Note that I said seat, not overall product. US Airways Envoy is still at the lower end in terms of onboard experience. However, they hit a home run with the new Cirrus flat-bed seat in J. Take a look around for some reviews on it (only available on A332 and some A333 as of now) but I can assure you it is a fantastic seat with very few negatives.

[Edited 2011-06-07 09:07:13]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:55 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 37):
I am under the impression that the rear-facing seats on WN are LONG gone...

That's correct.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 37):
However, they hit a home run with the new Cirrus flat-bed seat in J. Take a look around for some reviews on it (only available on A332 and some A333 as of now) but I can assure you it is a fantastic seat with very few negatives.

I agree. The Cirrus seat was apparently good enough to convince DL to introduce a third type of J seat.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:17 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 37):
I am under the impression that the rear-facing seats on WN are LONG gone...

Could be.

Long before I ever became a 1-K, I flew the WN MHT-BWI-MDW route a lot. So I've sat rear-facing a great deal in my life. But that was in the days when you got a plastic paddle with your boarding number on it when you got to the boarding gate.

But I now fly into PWM and drive backward to MHT in a rental car since you get more miles that way.   

Thanks for asking.

[Ediited for pronoun-case agreement  Smile ]

[Edited 2011-06-07 11:21:12]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:50 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 36):
I think the best lie flat business class product is on DL's 777s. UA's and CO's although are very competitive, and combined they have a ton of lie flat F and J seats between the 744, 763, 757, and 777. I do think the CO 757 BF product looks a bit cramped for it's own good though, despite all the bells and whistles the seat itself presents.

Wow, have you ever traveled on DL's 777s? They are the most uncomfortable seats out there, hard as a rock. I prefer DL's old seats (well really NW's old seats) over DL's flat bed product.
UA's new seat is more comfortable that CO's new seat. As for the soft product CO beats both UA and DL
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting dutchflyboi (Reply 40):

In J? The seat is really nice on the 77L with Delta.
"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:03 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 41):
In J? The seat is really nice on the 77L with Delta

Yup, in J.... I have not been on DL's 767 flat seats, but on the 777 the seat is very uncomfortable. The worst flat J class seat I have been on.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:30 am

Quoting Venom831 (Reply 30):
Just got word the Skywest CR2s(most) are being pulled for repaint, and unfortunately for me...being replaced with EMB-120s. N959SW is on it's way for a repaint.

From Flight Aware - The last unconfirmed 764 [N66056] has returned from HKG and is currently flying EWR-CDG.

At AMA is N46625. 738 N39297 has just returned to IAH from AMA after a week there, so would have had a full repaint. I cannot find any ship which replaced it in AMA yet.

United
A319 (16/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 824, 826, 838-844 [7], 852-854 [3].
A320 (34/97) 404-405 [2], 409, 415-416 [2], 418-421 [4], 424, 428-429 [2], 435, 437-439 [3], 443-444[2], 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (23/96) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-507 [2], 514, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 537, 542, 547-548 [2], 570, 572, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (4/35) 643, 647, 656, 673.
B772 (24/52) 209, 211, 216-217 [2], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.
Total United (105/359) = 29.24%

Continental
B735 (13/30) 27610, 16617, 17619, 19621-19623 [3], 46625, 62631, 24633, 14639, 16642, 16646, 16648.
B73G (32/36) 16701-17719 [19], 23721-27724/39726-27733 [12], 13750. [Only Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (82/130) 24202, 35204-27205 [2], 11206-36207 [2], 26210-14214 [5], 12216-36226 [11], 14228-17229 [2], 17233-16234 [2], 14237-12238 [2], 54241-17244 [4], 14250, 76256, 35260-33262 [3], 73276, 73278-77295 [18], 39297, 73299, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) 58101-19141 [41] COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) 57851-77871 [21] COMPLETED.
B762 (5/9) 76151-69154 [4], 76156.
B764 (15/16) 66051-76055 [5], 66057-77066 [10].
B772 (22/22) 78001-77022 [22] COMPLETED.
Total Continental (267/350) = 76.28%


Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834.
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (71/101) 18101-24103 [3], 11106-11119 [14], 11121-11324 [4], 12126-11127 [2], 21129-13133 [5], 12135-21144 [10], 17146-11150 [5], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166, 14171-12172 [2], 11176, 14179-33182 [4], 11184, 14188, 27190-12196 [7], 11199, 12201-14203 [3].
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (63/140) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575, 14904, 14916, 17928, 14933, 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 14950-22971 [22], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 14991, 13995, 13997.
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (4/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 513MJ, 515MJ.
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (2/63) 917SW, 959SW.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Q200 CommutAir (3/16) 358PH, 367PH, 369PH.
Q300 CommutAir (3/3) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA. (2 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (28/29) 187WQ, 190WQ-191WQ [2], 195WQ-196WQ [2], 199WQ, 202WQ-204WQ [3], 208WQ-209WQ [2], 213WQ, 214WQ, 323NG, 328NG, 332NG, 333NG, 336NG, 338NG-342NG [5], 345NG-346NG [2], 351NG, 354NG, 356NG.
Saab 340B Colgan (0/17)
Total Express (175/612) = 28.59%

TOTAL (547/1321- 41.40%)
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:03 am

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 43):
Quoting Venom831 (Reply 30):
Just got word the Skywest CR2s(most) are being pulled for repaint, and unfortunately for me...being replaced with EMB-120s

Oh gawd!

I'm ticketed to fly ELP-LAX Saturday morning on OO 6234 dba United Express. But the seat map on United.com shows 41 seats already filled.

So I guess that's two separate 120s.   
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:19 pm

Sort of off topic but does anyone have the stats on the old "Battleship Gray" UA livery? How many of those birds are left? I would like to hop on that and an original Continental before they disappear.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:20 am

Quoting sahsa (Reply 45):

Sort of off topic but does anyone have the stats on the old "Battleship Gray" UA livery? How many of those birds are left? I would like to hop on that and an original Continental before they disappear.


Although it isn't that accurate, here's the fastest source I've found -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Continental_Holdings

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:16 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 44):
Quoting qfatwa (Reply 43):
Quoting Venom831 (Reply 30):
Just got word the Skywest CR2s(most) are being pulled for repaint, and unfortunately for me...being replaced with EMB-120s

Oh gawd!

I'm ticketed to fly ELP-LAX Saturday morning on OO 6234 dba United Express. But the seat map on United.com shows 41 seats already filled.

So I guess that's two separate 120s.

Nope,

It turned out to be a crusty old CR-2 in battleship grey and blue livery.

But the FA had a drawer full of Heineken in her drinks cart -- El Pasans are quite the epicureans.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:41 am

An error by me in the previous thread placed N76010 [777] as retitled - has been confirmed as still in Continental titles.

From Flight Aware - At AMA is N14645.

Expressjet N25134 confirmed by photo.


United
A319 (16/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 824, 826, 838-844 [7], 852-854 [3].
A320 (34/97) 404-405 [2], 409, 415-416 [2], 418-421 [4], 424, 428-429 [2], 435, 437-439 [3], 443-444[2], 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (23/96) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-507 [2], 514, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 537, 542, 547-548 [2], 570, 572, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (4/35) 643, 647, 656, 673.
B772 (24/52) 209, 211, 216-217 [2], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.
Total United (105/359) = 29.24%

Continental
B735 (14/30) 27610, 16617, 17619, 19621-19623 [3], 46625, 62631, 24633, 14639, 16642, 16645-16646 [2], 16648.
B73G (32/36) 16701-17719 [19], 23721-27724/39726-27733 [12], 13750. [Only Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (82/130) 24202, 35204-27205 [2], 11206-36207 [2], 26210-14214 [5], 12216-36226 [11], 14228-17229 [2], 17233-16234 [2], 14237-12238 [2], 54241-17244 [4], 14250, 76256, 35260-33262 [3], 73276, 73278-77295 [18], 39297, 73299, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) 58101-19141 [41] COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) 57851-77871 [21] COMPLETED.
B762 (5/9) 76151-69154 [4], 76156.
B764 (15/16) 66051-76055 [5], 66057-77066 [10].
B772 (21/22) 78001-78009 [9], 79011-77022 [12].
Total Continental (267/350) = 76.28%


Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834.
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (72/101) 18101-24103 [3], 11106-11119 [14], 11121-11324 [4], 12126-11127 [2], 21129-21144 [16], 17146-11150 [5], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166, 14171-12172 [2], 11176, 14179-33182 [4], 11184, 14188, 27190-12196 [7], 11199, 12201-14203 [3].
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (63/140) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575, 14904, 14916, 17928, 14933, 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 14950-22971 [22], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 14991, 13995, 13997.
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (4/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 513MJ, 515MJ.
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (2/63) 917SW, 959SW.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Q200 CommutAir (3/16) 358PH, 367PH, 369PH.
Q300 CommutAir (3/3) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA. (2 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (28/29) 187WQ, 190WQ-191WQ [2], 195WQ-196WQ [2], 199WQ, 202WQ-204WQ [3], 208WQ-209WQ [2], 213WQ, 214WQ, 323NG, 328NG, 332NG, 333NG, 336NG, 338NG-342NG [5], 345NG-346NG [2], 351NG, 354NG, 356NG.
Saab 340B Colgan (0/17)
Total Express (176/612) = 28.75%

TOTAL (548/1321- 41.48%)
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:56 am

Skyliners reports:

Boeing 737 -524 28900 2913 N14639 Continental Airlines ferried 13jun11 HOU-LCQ prior delivery to?

Will be removed from lists next update [retitled].

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