MAN News 43

Scottiedog · Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:26 pm

The last Manchester thread was closed a week ago and since then there has been little news.

Rumour has it on other sites that Ryanair will shortly announce the creation of a Manchester base with 4 aircraft and around 20 new routes.

Personally I would rather that the other establised airlines be allowed to continue to consolidate and then expand on there routes however I agree with many who might ask as to whether we really want Ryanair or even need them, but at the end of the day Manchester airport have little say in their flight operation.

As I understand the rules, the airport only has a say with regards to which terminal they can operate from. Route licenses are down to the relevant government; slots are the responsibility of Airport Coordination Ltd .

The airport has a published set of fees that are applicable to all airlines - new or old - that are available for all to view. Additionally incentives are offered to airlines starting new routes that have not previously been operated or that have been suspended by another airline.

So at the end of the day the airport authority will accept flights from any airline that wishes to start services - it does not however have to accept having terms dictated to it by an airline.

David_itl · Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:48 pm

it's all a quesion of the routes they're after. Seeing a list of what's meant to be coming up, it doesn't appear to be particularly bad in terms of knocking incumbent airlines off; I wonder if MAN and FR have spent a fair amount of time working out which routes to be launched which would not result a bloodbath for all airlines.

Mattuk · Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:45 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 1):
Seeing a list of what's meant to be coming up

What routes are rumoured?

David_itl · Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:15 pm

BCN, MPL, NOC, MRS, BRE, SNN, LDY, KUN, BDZ, LPA, FUE, ACE, OPO, BTS, TLL & TRP

also a bit if shufflling round with what they've got already so that a fair proportion becomes MAN based.

mainMAN · Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 3):
BDZ

....and I was hoping for some Polish routes! Does anyone know what BDZ is, or rather where it's supposed to be?

David_itl · Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:41 pm

got it slightly wrong. its BZG.

rutankrd · Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:43 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 4):
Quoting david_itl (Reply 3):
BDZ

....and I was hoping for some Polish routes! Does anyone know what BDZ is, or rather where it's supposed to be?

Bydgoszcz Airport, Poland (BZG)

lisbonbearuk · Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:23 pm

Nothing very exciting at all in that list except OPO, which hasn't been served from MAN since NI left the route a few years ago. I had heard TP were looking at that route too, following the success of the new LIS-MAN route.

Oh well, it'll keep sandwich sales up at Boots in T2, won't it.

David_itl · Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:55 pm

There's isn't meant to be. What are seeing is the return of them operating to SNN, BRE, MRS and some former routes by other airlines TLL, BTS, OPO with some mopping of the WW flights by taking NOC & MPL. Be interesting to see if LDY, KUN, BZG & TRF (not TRP, another blooper. I'm blaming the sun) will impact on those routes they already operate at nearby airports.

mainMAN · Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:27 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 5):
its BZG.

Thank you, I think you can be forgiven for not automatically knowing the code for Bydgoszcz. Now let's all try pronouncing it!

Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 7):

Nothing very exciting at all in that list except OPO, which hasn't been served from MAN since NI left the route a few years ago.

Pretty good for me, especially BZG and MRS. There are some interesting places there, well worth the extra expense of a Boots meal deal! I'm hoping that MAN's FR base performs better than BHX, which seems to frustrate Midlanders by its constant chopping and changing.

[Edited 2011-07-04 01:44:33]

Daleaholic · Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:06 pm

MOL arrived on this morning's DUB for the announcement.

lisbonbearuk · Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:43 am

Presumably not to announce anything....

UK_Dispatcher · Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:36 pm

Cameras out for today's Etihad arrival shortly. Something new and sky blue about A6-EYE!

Danfearn77 · Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:44 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 12):

Ive seen a picture and i have to say it looks incredible!

B742 · Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:27 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 12):
Cameras out for today's Etihad arrival shortly. Something new and sky blue about A6-EYE!

For those who have not seen, here is a photo of the livery in question:
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=7303

Quite a shame it's got Manchester City across it, only flaw in my opinion

Rob!

Danfearn77 · Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:30 pm

Even as a season ticket holding united fan that looks fantastic!

jetset7e7 · Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:39 pm

A few pictures already in the database:

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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Michael eaton

Looks very smart, can't wait to see it close up in the flesh

Mark

David_itl · Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:22 am

FR press conference today. Perhaps 2 aircraft this winter and more coming next summer.

lisbonbearuk · Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:05 am

1 or 2 based aircraft?! Wow! That is MASSIVE!! Please, let's get it into persepctive here.

cornish · Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:33 am

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 18):
1 or 2 based aircraft?! Wow! That is MASSIVE!! Please, let's get it into persepctive here.

Yes lets get it into perspective. From a business rather than an enthusiast point of view.

1 or 2 based aircraft by FR generates far more passengers and aircraft movements than say one daily service by a foreign carrier. It has a much greater impact on the airport's bottom line than even one new daily long haul service (even if that creates more headlines), asides something as big as the A380.

It certainly is far more significant to the business than a short haul European operator such as TAP starting services for example.

I and many others may not like Ryanair, but this sort of thing is important for the business markets to understand that Manchester is on an upward growth path and attracting significant additional traffic after a difficult few years.

ThomasCook · Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:35 am

Hello,

Now announced on MAN's twitter feed;

'Ryanair announces a new base @manairport operating 17 routes from October + 26 by summer 2012. 2000 jobs will be created'

Regards
ThomasCook

MYT332 · Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:36 am

Ryanair, the world's favourite airline, today (12th July) announced it would open its 45th base at Manchester in October 2011 initially with two based aircraft and 17 routes, growing to four aircraft and 26 routes by summer 2012. Ryanair's new base will deliver up to 2m passengers p.a., 2,000 jobs and up to 260 weekly flights as Ryanair invests over $280 million at Manchester Airport.

RYANAIR' S 26 MANCHESTER ROUTES

In Manchester, Ryanair's Michael O'Leary said:

"Ryanair is delighted to unveil Manchester as our 45th base with 26 routes on sale on www.ryanair.com Now Manchester consumers/ visitors can beat the recession and escape easyjet's and Jet2's high fares by switching to Ryanair's lowest fares and our no fuel surcharge guarantee to 26 exciting destinations in Italy, Germany and Spain among others. Ryanair's 2m passengers p.a. will sustain up to 2,000 jobs at Manchester Airport and in the surrounding region."

Alicante
Barcelona (Gir)
Bezier
Biarritz
Bremen
Brussels
Dublin
Faro
Frankfurt
Ibiza
Katowice
Madrid
Malaga
Memmingen
Milan
Murcia
Oslo
Palma
Paris
Reus
Rome
Rzeszow
Tallinn
Tours
Tenerife
Valencia

Stephen McNamara
Ryanair Ltd
Tel: +353-1-8121212

http://europeaninvestor.com/SiteFile...=ie-rya&MenuItem=91&wtLang=English

Oh goody!

jamies80085 · Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:46 am

the route to Ibiza is a little worrying, getting just as frequent as PMI, surely the island cant support so much traffic, especially given that easy are operating too from next year.

LN-KGL · Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:55 am

If you look at the average number of passengers each Ryanair 737-800 flew almost 27,000 passengers i June. I don't have the Emirates passenger numbers for June, but the provisional for May showed 50,511 passenger according to UK CAA. In other words two based FR B738 at MAN may well generate the same number of passengers as the three times a day service to Dubai. If these two had flown in June this year, they had added around 2.8 extra percentage points to the growth of MAN.

lisbonbearuk · Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:15 am

Yes but FR passengers buy sandwiches and bottles of coke from Boots....so the airport will probably make more from the retail side at T2.

col · Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 23):
If you look at the average number of passengers each Ryanair 737-800 flew almost 27,000 passengers i June. I don't have the Emirates passenger numbers for June, but the provisional for May showed 50,511 passenger according to UK CAA. In other words two based FR B738 at MAN may well generate the same number of passengers as the three times a day service to Dubai. If these two had flown in June this year, they had added around 2.8 extra percentage points to the growth of MAN.

Quoting cornish (Reply 19):
Yes lets get it into perspective. From a business rather than an enthusiast point of view.

1 or 2 based aircraft by FR generates far more passengers and aircraft movements than say one daily service by a foreign carrier. It has a much greater impact on the airport's bottom line than even one new daily long haul service (even if that creates more headlines), asides something as big as the A380.

It certainly is far more significant to the business than a short haul European operator such as TAP starting services for example.

I can guarantee that both EK and TP will be operating into MAN next year. The same cannot be said of RYR, their history at MAN is not good. So any Business plans by MAN and pax numbers from RYR should be written in pencil.

Luftymatt · Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:19 pm

Quoting col (Reply 25):

haha quality, and very true

mainMAN · Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:20 pm

Quoting col (Reply 25):
So any Business plans by MAN and pax numbers from RYR should be written in pencil.

I think this time it's a different scenario, FR and MAG have apparently signed a 10 year deal (whate'er that means), and T2 needs filling up, so I expect them to stick around for a while.

Quoting MYT332 (Reply 21):
Alicante
Barcelona (Gir)
Bezier
Biarritz
Bremen
Brussels
Dublin
Faro
Frankfurt
Ibiza
Katowice
Madrid
Malaga
Memmingen
Milan
Murcia
Oslo
Palma
Paris
Reus
Rome
Rzeszow
Tallinn
Tours
Tenerife
Valencia

Looking at this list, it strikes me that it does minimal damage to EZY, BE, ZB and LS. There's a bit of overlap on all counts, but I almost suspect that MAG have done a deal whereby they've told FR they rather they didn't piss off their other carriers. I may be completely wrong, but......

MAN needs Polish cities, French regional destinations and alternatives to FRA, CDG and BRU far more than more Malaga services!

LN-KGL · Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:58 pm

Quoting col (Reply 25):
I can guarantee that both EK and TP will be operating into MAN next year. The same cannot be said of RYR, their history at MAN is not good. So any Business plans by MAN and pax numbers from RYR should be written in pencil.

I totally agree with you. MOL is quick to pull out if they are not earning enough money or if he is not treated "fairly".

DC3fan · Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:13 am

Quoting MYT332 (Reply 21):
Ryanair, the world's favourite airline, today (12th July) announced it would open its 45th base at Manchester in October 2011 initially with two based aircraft and 17 routes, growing to four aircraft and 26 routes by summer 2012. Ryanair's new base will deliver up to 2m passengers p.a., 2,000 jobs and up to 260 weekly flights as Ryanair invests over $280 million at Manchester Airport.

Is it just me, or every time Ryanair start a new base their figures seem to be optimistically high? Where are the 2000 jobs going to be created? How are two aircraft going to fly 260 weekly flights? Say that's 260 sectors in total (departing MAN and returning to MAN) With 2 aircraft, if they did 36 flights a day between the two aircraft that's 252 weekly flights, so each aircraft would need to fly 18 sectors that's 9 departures out of MAN each aircraft, each day. If they have 4 aircraft there, and they fly 36 flights a day between them that's still 252 weekly flights, and two aircraft flew 8 sectors and two flew 10 sectors, that's still 4/5 departures out of MAN each aircraft, each day. Am i missing something here? Does this figure include there daily flights from DUB-MAN-MAN? But that wouldn't create any extra jobs or pax figures with it being an existing route. LS have 9 based aircraft at MAN and only operate around 210 sectors a week.

mpsrent · Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:20 am

Still hoping for expanded routes to YYZ.

timberwolf24 · Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:24 am

There were rumors of UA/CO starting ORD-MAN this past spring but that did not happen. Has anyone heard of any rumors if ORD-MAN on UA could happen in 2012?

gkirk · Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:38 am

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 31):
There were rumors of UA/CO starting ORD-MAN this past spring but that did not happen. Has anyone heard of any rumors if ORD-MAN on UA could happen in 2012?

I'd imagine that it'd be operated by CO 757s?

cornish · Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:14 am

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 27):
Quoting col (Reply 25):
So any Business plans by MAN and pax numbers from RYR should be written in pencil.

I think this time it's a different scenario, FR and MAG have apparently signed a 10 year deal (whate'er that means), and T2 needs filling up, so I expect them to stick around for a while.

Precisely, MAG will have undoubtedly given FR very attractive terms, but on the flip side they SHOULD have put some strong penalty clauses in place as part of the agreement to those terms. If they haven't they are fools.

col · Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:07 pm

Quoting cornish (Reply 33):
Precisely, MAG will have undoubtedly given FR very attractive terms, but on the flip side they SHOULD have put some strong penalty clauses in place as part of the agreement to those terms. If they haven't they are fools.

Are the penalty clauses in pencil too

[Edited 2011-07-13 05:09:24]

jfazzer · Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:16 am

I know its been asked before, but does anyone have any up-to-date information regarding Biman's possible return?

Ant72LBA · Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:47 pm

Interesting to watch ATC (on flightradar24) handle the switch over from in landing/taking-off directions - presumably because of the nasty looking storm heading south over Stockport right now.

David_itl · Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:37 am

3 EK arrivals today but 5 departures!

EK022 09:40 Dubai Scheduled 09:40
EK8018 12:30 Dubai Scheduled 12:30
EK018 14:10 Dubai Scheduled 14:10
EK8020 18:30 Dubai Scheduled 16:00
EK020 21:00 Dubai Scheduled 21:00

gkirk · Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:54 am

Something go wrong with the A380 and B77W yesterday?

mhodgson · Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:32 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 38):
Something go wrong with the A380 and B77W yesterday?

One of the MAN spotting groups (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/manchesterspotters2/) reports a fuel leak on the A380, and an ill FO on the 773.

gkirk · Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:35 am

Quoting mhodgson (Reply 39):
One of the MAN spotting groups (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/manchesterspotters2/) reports a fuel leak on the A380, and an ill FO on the 773.

A tech problem with the A380? There's a surprise

sawtooth · Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:39 am

BE taking over WW MAN-NOC route from October 30.

gkirk · Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:43 am

FlyBe also starting MAN-NQY from Oct 30th, 4 x weekly it looks like (Sun, Mon, Thurs, Fri)

gkirk · Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:51 am

Some sad news, Olly Cat, the Airport security cat, is leaving the airport

BlueShamu330s · Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:59 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 40):
A tech problem with the A380? There's a surprise

Might be more of a surprise to know the A380 fleet has been achieving 100% despatch reliability some weeks, quite regularly since March this year, and the company is pleased that the type has matured into the fleet sooner than planned.

Rgds

gkirk · Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:08 am

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 44):
Might be more of a surprise to know the A380 fleet has been achieving 100% despatch reliability some weeks, quite regularly since March this year, and the company is pleased that the type has matured into the fleet sooner than planned.

Fantastic news then

Daleaholic · Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:46 am

The FO story is BS. Speaking to an engineer today, the 380 fuel pump seal was knackered, EK brought their own engineers up from LHR who fixed it within about half an hour this morning after engineers at MAN wouldn't fix it yesterday... The 777 has a problem with its dials in the wing fuelling port but apparently all you need is a magnet and can overcome the problem...

gkirk · Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:52 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 46):
EK brought their own engineers up from LHR who fixed it within about half an hour this morning after engineers at MAN wouldn't fix it yesterday...

Wouldn't or couldn't?

n272wa · Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:54 am

Any reports on how BE are doing with their MAN-LDY route?

DC3fan · Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:31 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 43):
Some sad news, Olly Cat, the Airport security cat, is leaving the airport

I know i cant believe this. Why is he leaving? Is it health and safety going mad again?

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 46):
EK brought their own engineers up from LHR who fixed it within about half an hour this morning after engineers at MAN wouldn't fix it yesterday

I heard from talking to one of the engineers from the company who handle EK at MAN. EK were trying to get the engineering company to sign it off to allow the A380 to fly back to DXB on 3 engine's because the part was not available at MAN and had to come from LHR, and in the end EK just flew engineers from LHR with the part and fitted it.

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