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IndianicWorld
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:53 pm

4 daily non-stop services to MEL? Amazing. Would be a big move. Sounds like they may be predicting a pull out of QF on European capacity, with the removal of MEL-HKG-LHR flights.

Didn't think they did that well though overall. Given that the ADL stop has not been removed up until now, and any change to non-stop on that 3rd flight would still add capacity, 2012 seems abit optimistic to add another daily flight.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:49 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 48):
My understanding is that Cathay Pacific plan to de-link their HKG-ADL-MEL service, operating direct flights into and out of Adelaide. Then Melbourne will get direct non-stop 3 x Daily HKG services. The CX Melbourne team have said that they expect Melbourne will get its 4th Daily direct service in 2012.

I suspect that the delinking may be on a seasonal basis - during the northern winter peak. unlikely that ADL can sustain faily non-stop services, so perhaps this would mean reduced frequencies for non-stop services.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:08 am

^^ I would suspect that ADL would be reduced, maybe back to 3-4 weekly, but seasonal increases would definately be possible.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:33 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 52):
I would suspect that ADL would be reduced, maybe back to 3-4 weekly, but seasonal increases would definately be possible.

I guess the decision comes down to frequency vs convenience. Are they better off having fewer direct flights or more indirect flights? My guess is fewer direct since there is no competition and it's not exactly a business hotspot for CX.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:46 am

^^ Totally agree. J demand will definately come into it.

The existing MEL-ADL-HKG gives it the best chance of maximising capacity into ADL and MEL. Maybe they should look to start the 4th daily MEL flight, having the 3 daily non-stops and 1 via ADL.

It could also be a temporary move to upgrade MEL capacity now, then only reduce ADL for a period until the new MEL frequency is added, when the daily through flight can be re-instated.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:38 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 48):
The CX Melbourne team have said that they expect Melbourne will get its 4th Daily direct service in 2012.

Sounds like overkill. Surely a more economical way of CX to increase capacity into MEL would be to upscale one of the services to something larger than an A333. They could replace with a 77W or 744 which you'd think would be cheaper than adding a service which would almost wingtip fly with another CX plane back to HKG. There is no point adding another service if it doesn't connect well with European services so I'd be guessing any additional service would depart within 90 minutes of an existing service...why??, when you have the option to upsize.
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:06 am

^^ It does seem like overkill, but CX seem to love their frequencies, in place of larger planes.

The ability to offer services across the day, to meet connection banks, gives them an advantage over some carriers.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:33 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 56):
It does seem like overkill, but CX seem to love their frequencies, in place of larger planes.

You're right, but an article in AA recently if I remember rightly, stated that CX were able to increase capacity to Australia with 77W's in the future. My guess is that we'll see that aircraft here in Sydney first if CX were to change aircraft/capacity on the Australia route. Also CX do prefer their frequency. Given that Melbourne seems to follow Sydney (SQ & CX) with capacity or frequency changes, ususally about 18-24 months later, it wouldn't surprise me that CX would add a 4th daily frequency to Melbourne. I hear that CX are very pleased with their loads ex MEL. Also wouldn't surprise me that this would be done to keep CZ/CS/CA at bay?

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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:53 am

Yep, I agree - the mainland Chinese carriers are rapidly approaching more daily seats directly into mainland China than what CX currently flies into HKG for connections on their own mainline and Dragonair services.

CX has the advantage of widespread brand awareness, good European network and excellent North Asian network - more seats from them would assure their marketshare wouldn't drop from CZ/CA/MU ramping up services.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:34 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 55):
Surely a more economical way of CX to increase capacity into MEL would be to upscale one of the services to something larger than an A333. They could replace with a 77W or 744 which you'd think would be cheaper than adding a service which would almost wingtip fly with another CX plane back to HKG.
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 55):
^^ It does seem like overkill, but CX seem to love their frequencies, in place of larger planes.

1. A 77W wouldn't be a big jump in capacity - only about 40 seats (10 of which would be F/J)
2. CX don't want F on its Australian flights (and all 77W/744 have F)
3. They need their 77W (and 744 to a lessor extent) for their true long haul ops
4. They compete with QF/VS on frequency and short connection times (like tullamarine said)
5. Flying a single type allows them greater scheduling and crewing flexibility
6. The A333 is (probably) more efficient on the route than a 744 or 77W would be

etc... CX are clever with adding frequencies. They are spaced out across the day to garner the biggest possible advantage from them (at SYD they have departures at 0735, 1005, 1405 and 2155) so it's not all about capacity.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:24 am

which begs the question: where would they place a 4th daily on MEL's schedule?

134 7:40am
104 2:20pm
168 11:45pm

a midday departure?

no point having a departure around 7-8pm as it arrives at 4am and the first bank of flights to meet it is the same that meets 168 (7:15am arrival in HKG)
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:36 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 60):
which begs the question: where would they place a 4th daily on MEL's schedule?

134 7:40am
104 2:20pm
168 11:45pm


Going by SYD I'd say a late morning departure to parallel the 1005?
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:14 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 60):
which begs the question: where would they place a 4th daily on MEL's schedule?

134 7:40am
104 2:20pm
168 11:45pm

a midday departure?

no point having a departure around 7-8pm as it arrives at 4am and the first bank of flights to meet it is the same that meets 168 (7:15am arrival in HKG)

you need to look at it in both directions, ie what's the most suitable departure time ex-HKG to MEL to maximise connections:

CX 163 HKG 10:10 MEL 22:25 // CX 168 MEL 01:05 HKG 07:15
CX 135 HKG 19:15 MEL 07:30 +1 // CX 134 MEL 08:50 HKG 15:05
CX 105 HKG 23:40 MEL 14:05 +1 // CX 104 MEL 15:30 HKG 21:45

If targeting the North Asia market southbound, a 21:00 departure as per sydney would make sense.

This would also also mean at 17:00 arrival back into HKG, which would allow for immediate connections to North Asia, and would attract a good % of higher yielding point to point passengers.

If CX did add a 4th frequency, I can see them changing CX 135 to operate 1 or 2 hours earlier southbound.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:01 am

http://airlineroute.net/2011/07/28/cz-canmel-w11/

Quote:
China Southern Airlines is continuing Australia expansion, with the introduction of 2nd Daily Guangzhou – Melbourne service starting 30OCT11.

Planned schedule as follows:

CZ343 CAN0900 – 2130MEL 330 D
CZ321 CAN2100 – 0940+1MEL 332 D

CZ344 MEL1130 – 1810CAN 332 D
CZ322 MEL2330 – 0600+1CAN 330 D

roll on, roll on...
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:02 am

Speaking to a member of the CZ sales team in Melbourne, their eventual goal is for 3 daily flights into Melbourne and Sydney. Looks like they are well on their way!

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 27):
Mr Joyce has made it fairly clear how it feels about starting routes from MEL afterall

Such a shame, and a good indication he should go! If the August announcement is to focus more on Asia, new routes from Melbourne are a must! HKG and SIN just aren't competitive enough!

Quoting zizou (Reply 37):
UL has not been mentioned here. i think they are a possibility of coming to Melbourne. They used to get good loads when they flew here last and Melbourne does have a large Sri Lankan population

I think that we will see UL down in MEL in the next five years, are they not rumoured to be taking some ex-EK A343 seems like a very good aircraft for the route. SQ, MH, TG and EK all carry a large amount of passengers between here and CMB and I feel Sri Lankans would take UL over these airlines if priced correctly. Also now that the war is over I could see a large number of Australian's traveling to Sri Lanka for business and leisure. If they were able to create a connection bank perhaps they could also a mini hub to parts of India too?
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:21 pm

^^ Very good points raised about the 77W and 744 in CXs fleet, and the airlines desire not to operate F into Australia. It limits their opportunities to increase aircraft size.

3 daily CZ MEL flights as a target? Very ambitious but the increase to 2 daily hasn't taken that long, and they really haven't made a big impression on the transfer market for Australians yet, so they likely have some more room to move. Adding in growing Chinese demand, including business links, who knows what they will achieve.

UL would be good, but decent yields would likely be a struggle to get. Targeting VFR traffic and leisure pax, with minimal business links, really leaves the economics of such a route questionable. It would be an interesting addition though  
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:49 pm

With TT likely to get back to the skies next month, in a rumored smaller form, what effect do people consider this have on both MEL and AVV? Do people think that they will pull out of AVV, as it has been rumored to be moving to centralise ops at MEL, or maintain both?

It is my understanding that TT have a contract with the Vic govt for a certain number of aircraft to be based in the state. The main reason it chose to open AVV was said to be because it's fleet could not adequately be accommodated at MEL T4. If it cuts it's fleet, would it not be in violation of it's contractural agreements, similar to the issues TT has had with it's SA govt contract? On the other hand, if it tries to meet those conditions, the terminal space issues would likely need to be deal with.

Another thing, without the numbers being available for July yet, what are your estimates to the effect on domestic pax numbers at MEL last month? I would suspect that JQ and DJ, in particular, would have picked up the slack to a certain point, but how much so would be interesting to see.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:16 pm

 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:58 pm

next question is: which domestic terminal are they going to use?
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:38 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 68):
next question is: which domestic terminal are they going to use?

T3 would likely be the only choice, but even that could be an issue. I would say the same gate as Skywest use, but theres access issues for TT flights at times if that gate is used. Not an issue currently, but when/if TT signifcantly grows again, there likely will be.

Will be interesting to see what MEL airport operators has in mind for them to use.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:36 am

Melbourne airport have been aware of these details for quite a few months and have arranged parking.
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting tayser (Reply 67):
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-fray/story-e6frg95x-1226113384927

MEL-HNL
MEL-BNE

I find it so hilarious that the article is basically a summary of what a.net has been on about for the past 6 months...

Will be good to see how they go!
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:27 pm

Garuda increasing services to Mel according to:

http://airlineroute.net/2011/08/16/ga-w11update1/

Jakarta – Melbourne eff 06DEC11 Increase from 3 weekly (Day 357) to 4 weekly (Day x146)
GA716 CGK2150 – 0825+1MEL 333 357
GA716 CGK2255 – 0930+1MEL 333 2

GA717 MEL1055 – 1340CGK 333 146
GA717 MEL1130 – 1415CGK 333 3

The renovations to arrivals hall cannot come soon enough!

On a side note, where will VC expand to next from MEL, China perhaps? Will the expand at all?
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:44 pm

^^ It's good to see that they have finally increased frequency on that route. Has taken a while, especially when SYD went from the same (3 x weekly) to 6 x weekly, which will now move to daily at the same time as this MEL change.

Is the arrivals hall being expanded? I thought all those works were finished, and only the outbound remained to be fully opened.

As for VC, who knows. Let's wait and see how their HNL and BNE flights go, which will be extremely challenging, before thinking of expansion. Not sure I see any opportunities from MEL to China. Unless they wanted to try an adventurous option like an Hainan Island service, there's likely more scope from BNE for them to attempt (only currently has CZs CAN-BNE, soon to be PEK-CAN-BNE).
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:06 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 73):
Is the arrivals hall being expanded? I thought all those works were finished, and only the outbound remained to be fully opened.

Yes two additional carousels are being opened totally 7, AQIS screening is also being moved outside the current bluestone wall which forms the arrivals hall. Hopefully this will improve the screening process which at the moment is awful!
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:17 am

^^ Interesting. That went against what I had been advised in the past, but its god to hear. The additional carousels are very much needed.

Won't that just make the Arrivals area, outside the wall, smaller than it already is? Its already far too crowded.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:28 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 75):
Won't that just make the Arrivals area, outside the wall, smaller than it already is? Its already far too crowded.

Sorry I explained that incorrectly, they will be adding a section outside the wall this will expand AQIS screen and there will be a reorganisation of the bollards to make a more efficient usage of space. Also the MHL counters will be moved for great visibility and more space. There are plans placed up on the coverings on the carousels that are being worked on atm.

Looks like it will hopefully be more open plan.

Also of note; Construction has begun on new TollDnata cargo sheds towards the Australia post depot. Looks like the current shed between Qantas Freight and T4 maybe demolished to make way for an expansion to the T3, hopefully not T4.. I also believe the master plan shows the AAE sheds being demolished next to T1 with a new pier added to the QF terminal making room for a new regional apron for QFLink. I wonder if we will see JQ stay with QF in T1 or move to an expanded T3/T4 along with DJ, TT, VC and the skywest flights.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:47 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 72):
On a side note, where will VC expand to next from MEL

MEL to NRT please VC.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:15 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 76):
Sorry I explained that incorrectly, they will be adding a section outside the wall this will expand AQIS screen and there will be a reorganisation of the bollards to make a more efficient usage of space. Also the MHL counters will be moved for great visibility and more space. There are plans placed up on the coverings on the carousels that are being worked on atm.

Looks like it will hopefully be more open plan.

Still struggling to picture it all, but if it ends up giving more light and room to that area, go for it.

Ive felt for a while, and was advised at one point that they were investigating this, that a terminal expansion out onto the forecourt, with space for additional T2 check in and arrival hall space, should be considered. It would have either seen the existing elevated roadway moved, or left as it is, with the arrivals drive shifted out towards the Carpark/Hotel. The amount of floorspace available would have increased dramatically, with the ability to have more light and room height in those areas.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 76):
Also of note; Construction has begun on new TollDnata cargo sheds towards the Australia post depot. Looks like the current shed between Qantas Freight and T4 maybe demolished to make way for an expansion to the T3, hopefully not T4.. I also believe the master plan shows the AAE sheds being demolished next to T1 with a new pier added to the QF terminal making room for a new regional apron for QFLink. I wonder if we will see JQ stay with QF in T1 or move to an expanded T3/T4 along with DJ, TT, VC and the skywest flights.

A friend had mentioned that this was happening a few weeks back, and it certainly does give scope to commence work on a domestic terminal expansion. Given that the Channel 7 news story on MEL did mention that a new domestic terminal was on the horizon, lets hope its sooner, rather than later.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:08 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 77):
MEL to NRT please VC.

Yes please!

Love for them to be creative, maybe take some ex-EK A345 and fly to MEL-JNB MEL-YVR.... ahh yes only in the land were airlines are run for prestige not their shareholders! Will be interesting to see their LCC product and branding though!

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 78):

A friend had mentioned that this was happening a few weeks back, and it certainly does give scope to commence work on a domestic terminal expansion. Given that the Channel 7 news story on MEL did mention that a new domestic terminal was on the horizon, lets hope its sooner, rather than later

It is also reflected on the master plan too, again sooner then later would be nice!

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 78):

Ive felt for a while, and was advised at one point that they were investigating this, that a terminal expansion out onto the forecourt, with space for additional T2 check in and arrival hall space, should be considered. It would have either seen the existing elevated roadway moved, or left as it is, with the arrivals drive shifted out towards the Carpark/Hotel. The amount of floorspace available would have increased dramatically, with the ability to have more light and room height in those areas.

Something will have to be done about the departures level at some point even with two new banks of counter open some days there still are only just enough check-in counters, it would be shocking for MEL to be capacity restricted at certain peak morning times (Asian departures and arrivals, the growth market) due to lack of check-in facilities. Not to mention the area needs to be retiled and relit, with a new ceiling, have a look how clean it is next time your out there lol!
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:11 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 79):
Love for them to be creative, maybe take some ex-EK A345 and fly to MEL-JNB MEL-YVR.... ahh yes only in the land were airlines are run for prestige not their shareholders! Will be interesting to see their LCC product and branding though!

Isnt there business plan already risky enough ?  
Quoting smi0006 (Reply 79):
It is also reflected on the master plan too, again sooner then later would be nice!

I dont mind the terminal masterplan, but I do worry about the overall length of it all when its completed.

It sprawls for quite a distance, and possibly could be shortered by the use of a Satellite terminal, following the allignment of the T2 addition, heading south, with underground tunnels connecting it with the Terminal facilities. If there were gates on the new terminal building, and the Satellite, more gate space could likely be achieved in a smaller overall area.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 79):
Something will have to be done about the departures level at some point even with two new banks of counter open some days there still are only just enough check-in counters, it would be shocking for MEL to be capacity restricted at certain peak morning times (Asian departures and arrivals, the growth market) due to lack of check-in facilities. Not to mention the area needs to be retiled and relit, with a new ceiling, have a look how clean it is next time your out there lol!

Sure have seen those things you highlight. There an all around feeling of being closed in, due to the low roof height and dark look of the area. The tiles are very worn, and their colour is less than inviting, which just adds to the overall darkness.

Its just a pity that the changes so far have really not even touched the area in any significant way. Mind you, it might be hard to do any renovations there with the need for as many counters as possible, especially at peak times as you describe.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:56 am

Would be great to re-open the observation lounge. That's all I really need!
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:05 am

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 81):
Would be great to re-open the observation lounge. That's all I really need!

Great point. The Obseration deck was always a great place to go.

Unfortunately though, given the price of airport parking these days, not sure it would be that well patronised :lol:
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:07 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 82):
Great point. The Obseration deck was always a great place to go.

Unfortunately though, given the price of airport parking these days, not sure it would be that well patronised :lol

And the new International terminal wouldn't give a great view of many of the parked planes. But seriously, the observation deck could have been retained with little cost and would have been a nice feature.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:15 am

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 83):
And the new International terminal wouldn't give a great view of many of the parked planes. But seriously, the observation deck could have been retained with little cost and would have been a nice feature.

True. It, like many around the globe, remains closed though due to 'security reasons'.

Its a pity that there are now really no great terminal viewing points left open to non-T2 travelling people.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:15 am

Melbourne July figures show 12% international growth to 580,000 but domestic lost 1 % due to no Tiger.1,800,000 domestic pax.Tiger does make a considerable difference.
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:26 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 85):
Melbourne July figures show 12% international growth to 580,000 but domestic lost 1 % due to no Tiger.1,800,000 domestic pax.Tiger does make a considerable difference.


Really not unexpected. When you lose a hubbed carrier, operating the vast majority of their network through one airport, its bound to happen. It may have only a fairly insignificant amount of the national marketshare, but it was bound to be felt hardest here. I am surprised that the decrease was that small. The other carriers must have really benefited from the grounding to make up the difference.

International pax growth was very impressive though. The continued strong results being seen in that sector are surprising, given the global uncertainty, but very happy to see the numbers rise.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:44 am

Have heard that VA are looking at MEL-HNL & MEL-HKG & a through flight from SYD-AUH and onto LHR. They would need many more B777's to make these work!

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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:58 pm

HNL and HKG = 330 territory, which Mr Borghetti seems to be quite fond of.

77Ws on HNL: disaster waiting to happen. HKG, less so.

[Edited 2011-08-19 05:59:39]
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:15 pm

^^ Can't see them on MEL-HNL, but given their moves to partner with HA you never know. I would be worried if I was VC though at that prospect.

MEL-HKG is another route that would be hard work, given CXs extensive offering and who knows what QF will do in it's revamp. Proving feed for Virgin Atlantics HKG flights might well be the aim, so it will be interesting to see what moves they have in store in coming years.

Btw, these are both within reach of the A332, so there is no need to deploy a 77W. I don't see a point for any VA flights into Europe either.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:24 pm

MEL-HKG on a 330 could probably go gangbusters on O&D alone. Hong Kong, Macau and the greater Guandong region of mainland China has around.......... oh....... a cool ~100million people. Connections to Virgin Atlantic (even though they have agreements with Etihad and SQ) are just a bonus.

Melbourne-Hong Kong is entirely dominated by Oneworld, SQ, MH and TG might be players in the one-stop market, but it's fringe compared to CX and QF.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:15 pm

Interesting to note looks like VC will be dedicating their next A330 to BNE-HNL and MEL-HNL with both being increased to three weekly.

As per 19AUG11 GDS timetable display, Strategic Airlines is to add 3rd weekly flight each on Brisbane – Honolulu and Melbourne – Honolulu service, starting 25MAR12.

The Australian carrier will launch these routes starting 14DEC11.

Schedule in Northern Summer 2012 season:

VC001 BNE1800 – 0715HNL 330 357
VC002 HNL1015 – 1610+1BNE 330 146

VC011 MEL1900 – 0835HNL 330 146
VC012 HNL0855 – 1730+1MEL 330 357

Source: http://airlineroute.net/2011/08/19/vc-hnl-s12/
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:43 pm

The next 332 is the one due 15sep and will do 2 BNE-HNL and 2 MEL-HNL .It may also do BNE-HKT extra flight and MEL-HKT extra flight.These extra HKT have been mooted but not confirmed with a starting date.

Aircraft 3 due feb 12 will do the extra BNE-HNL and MEL-HNL as well as BNE-China.It should go into service end of March 12.
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:42 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 90):
MEL-HKG on a 330 could probably go gangbusters on O&D alone. Hong Kong, Macau and the greater Guandong region of mainland China has around.......... oh....... a cool ~100million people. Connections to Virgin Atlantic (even though they have agreements with Etihad and SQ) are just a bonus.

True, its easy to forget just how large that region is 

Remember though that CZ is rapidly increasing its presence into MEL from CAN, which is also quite close to HKG.

Quoting tayser (Reply 90):

Melbourne-Hong Kong is entirely dominated by Oneworld, SQ, MH and TG might be players in the one-stop market, but it's fringe compared to CX and QF.

A non-OW option would be good to see on the route.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 91):
As per 19AUG11 GDS timetable display, Strategic Airlines is to add 3rd weekly flight each on Brisbane – Honolulu and Melbourne – Honolulu service, starting 25MAR12.

Sees very ambitious to go straight up to 3 weekly. Interesting move.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:05 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 92):
.It may also do BNE-HKT extra flight and MEL-HKT extra flight.These extra HKT have been mooted but not confirmed with a starting date.

This would be surprising since they have already loaded the third weekly HNL service for march, would HKT not have to be in reservations very soon if it was to start before march? Perhaps they have some charter work coming up that they need the aircraft for? Or perhaps it will get an interior refit if it is not going into service straight away?

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 92):
Aircraft 3 due feb 12 will do the extra BNE-HNL and MEL-HNL as well as BNE-China.It should go into service end of March 12.

I know they were wanting to build the fleet up 7, when is aircraft 4 due? Where are they coming from? Are they planning to refit the interiors so that there are in a standard LCC config, perhaps with better J-Class and improved IFE.

They have stated on their website that they will be moving to the LCC fare structure on the 30th of October, will their new branding be revealed then? Do you think they will keep Business service on domestic flights?

Hahah so many questions! I imagine that is just the nature of privately owned companies that aren't publicly listed.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:10 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 94):
I know they were wanting to build the fleet up 7, when is aircraft 4 due? Where are they coming from? Are they planning to refit the interiors so that there are in a standard LCC config, perhaps with better J-Class and improved IFE.

I think that all deliveries are straight from Airbus, not sure who VC is leasing them from though. So they should be fitted out with the same interiors as their current A332s from the factory...
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:57 am

Looks like CX are making changes on their MEL and ADL services.

Hong Kong – Adelaide
CX173 HKG1920 – 0625+1ADL 330 357
CX174 ADL0745 – 1430HKG 330 146

Hong Kong – Melbourne
CX163 HKG1010 – 2225MEL 330 D
CX135 HKG1915 – 0730+1MEL 330 D
CX195 HKG2345 – 1200+1MEL 330 357

CX168 MEL0105 – 0715HKG 330 D
CX134 MEL0850 – 1505HKG 330 D
CX194 MEL1530 – 2145HKG 330 146

Hong Kong – Adelaide – Melbourne – Hong Kong
CX105 HKG2340 – 1050+1ADL1215+1 – 1405+1MEL 330 D
CX104 ADL1215 – 1405MEL1530 – 2145HKG 330 D

It looks like it may be 3 X weekly extra dedicated services to both MEL and ADL, but it may also come at the expense of the HKG-MEL-ADL-HKG. Will need to wait and see.
 
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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:10 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 96):
Looks like CX are making changes on their MEL and ADL services.

Good to see my source was right!

I think if this de-linkage works, look for it to expand to more flights.

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RE: Melbourne Growth?

Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:12 pm

http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...irport-Stakeholder-Event-2011.html

A transcript of a speech made at the Melbourne Airport Stakeholder Event, which goes into some detail about the T2 terminal improvements, forecourt changes and even some info on plans for a new Domestic Terminal.

Certainly some interesting comments made.

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