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FRNT787
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:56 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 246):
I'm not surprised, but disappointed.

I think they were going to go no matter what. The decision was to wait until after summer. It seems to me that the UA deal is largely because of the need to put them somewhere, not being removed because of the UA deal.
 
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:01 pm

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 250):
It seems to me that the UA deal is largely because of the need to put them somewhere, not being removed because of the UA deal.

  

I've just had a slightly different version of it. I'm told that it is only 5 x E145 and it is only for temporary work, November through March. I don't know if they will be painted for such a short time frame unless there is expectation of the deal being extended.

I'm still a tad surprised that BB has been able to place them at all.

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mikefrommke
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 251):
I'm still a tad surprised that BB has been able to place them at all.

Maybe people will stop complaining that no one will sign any new contracts with RJET because of F9. Good for RJET.
 
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:57 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 251):
I'm still a tad surprised that BB has been able to place them at all.

As am I. I am glad to hear about something for the 3xE170s as well.
 
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:02 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 251):
I've just had a slightly different version of it. I'm told that it is only 5 x E145 and it is only for temporary work, November through March. I don't know if they will be painted for such a short time frame unless there is expectation of the deal being extended.

I'm still a tad surprised that BB has been able to place them at all.

Temporary would make sense. UA has a ton of RJ's still to repaint. This will help that effort.
 
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:03 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 251):
I've just had a slightly different version of it. I'm told that it is only 5 x E145 and it is only for temporary work, November through March. I don't know if they will be painted for such a short time frame unless there is expectation of the deal being extended.

Correct. The current remaining fleet of ERJ-145's flying for CO Express are leaving the network and Chautauqua was going to fly those for F9. I haven't heard anything about that changing.
 
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:26 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 241):
They could pull a FR and market it as Cleveland/Akron and when the move to COS Denver/Colorado Springs.

The CAK people advertise rather heavily in the Cleveland market. They have TV commercials and billboards all over the place. They also draw heavily from Youngstown, and they even get some people sneaking over from Western Pennsylvania and even northern West Virginia.

CAK would be a pefect airport for F9. They have three high level gates and eight low level gates that would work perfectly with their mix of aircraft. It is very well situated geographically so that a FLL-CAK-LGA fight or even a DTW-CAK-DFW flight isn't as ridiculous as it might sound at first.
 
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:35 am

Quoting DBCooper (Reply 245):
801/802/803/805 are the 4 318s still in service.

The little interesting tidbit about N805FR (MSN 1660) is that its the prototype A318. It first flew as F-WWIB with PW6000s as an A318-122 in 2002 and stayed with Airbus for about 2 years, appeared at both Farnborough and Paris before being converted to an A318-111 with CFM56s and delivered to Frontier in April 2004.
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:35 am

Article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel following up on the job/service cuts for F9 at MKE:

http://www.jsonline.com/business/Fro...-to-cut-213-jobs-at-Mitchell-.html

312 jobs are being cut, and it says that they are "permanent" cuts. Does that bare any significance going forward as far as F9's MKE hub is concerned? (what's left of it anyways)
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:23 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 257):
Quoting DBCooper (Reply 245):
801/802/803/805 are the 4 318s still in service.

The little interesting tidbit about N805FR (MSN 1660) is that its the prototype A318. It first flew as F-WWIB with PW6000s as an A318-122 in 2002 and stayed with Airbus for about 2 years, appeared at both Farnborough and Paris before being converted to an A318-111 with CFM56s and delivered to Frontier in April 2004.

Can I assume the A318's that have been removed from service have all been flown to GWO for scrapping, or have any of them found new homes, such as corporate/private owners?

Besides DEN-OKC-DEN, what other routes still have A318 service?

Thanks!
 
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:45 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 258):
Article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel following up on the job/service cuts for F9 at MKE:

http://www.jsonline.com/business/Fro...-to-cut-213-jobs-at-Mitchell-.html

312 jobs are being cut, and it says that they are "permanent" cuts. Does that bare any significance going forward as far as F9's MKE hub is concerned? (what's left of it anyways)

Probably just a typo on your part...it's 213 and not 312...still significant of course.

Job cuts are not a real surprise -- 1/3 fewer flights means a lot fewer operations to support. I'm curious how many jobs are not related directly to flight operation levels.

As for significance going forward as far as F9's MKE hub is concerned, the fact these are called "permanent" in the story doesn't really mean too much when it comes to an airline. Some industries have seasonal layoffs, but that's not what these are, and typically there are no such things with airlines.
 
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TZTriStar500
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:56 pm

Quoting Cross757 (Reply 259):
Can I assume the A318's that have been removed from service have all been flown to GWO for scrapping, or have any of them found new homes, such as corporate/private owners?

None of the 7 that have been retired so far have gone to other operators. 806-809 went to GWO, while 804 went to LDE (Lourdes, France), and 810 and 812 went to RFD, all to be parted out.

Quoting Cross757 (Reply 259):
Besides DEN-OKC-DEN, what other routes still have A318 service?

I'm not sure from an official scheduling standpoint, but doing a search on flightaware of the reg numbers shows them operating to most cities in the system.
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RE: New Frontier/Republic #26

Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:44 pm

Flew an A318 DFW to DEN recently, nice ride. How are the Q400s doing? Was booking DEN MCI and saw evening scheduled Q400 at a premium fare over $200 one-way so assumed it was almost full. Also saw one come in from ICT while at DIA. Good to see them on some of these other routes, I thought they were using only to ASE, DRO and COS. Is this just short term?

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