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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:30 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 199):
Andrew David to head Tiger http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...ory-e6frg95x-1226134601340stralia.
A new CEO ex Air NZ and DJ, with a senior ex QF pilot advising, you reckon TT is on the up and up??

They have 4 destinations from Melbourne and that's it. Still ripping up millions every day. I just tried a sample booking for tomorrow for 9 seats - all $49.95 incl taxes. Totally unsustainable

Tiger Raw Fare (MEL - SYD)
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
1 Adult @ $19.64 $19.64
Taxes/fees $272.79
Total price $449.50
Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:41 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 200):
Tiger Raw Fare (MEL - SYD)

To be fair there are three flights during the day tomorrow that are more expensive than $49 -- one is even up at $119. I agree it's hardly a solid foundation but it's not dissimilar to JQ for a midweek LCC flight on such a busy route.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:04 pm

Also dont forget Load factor doesnt include the no shows. The one thing about Tiger is that you may sell a full aircraft at $X, thou the no shows could be ten pax ($50-100 sydmel) and that money directly goes into the company surplus/expenditure. No burning of extra fuel, aircraft wear and tear etc. Apart from looking on the low pax days like tues and wed, their prices are not at the close to cost based ticket price. And also with a pax max of 144, in a 180 seater it will look semi empty.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:53 pm

Quoting ThunderB (Reply 202):
their prices are not at the close to cost based ticket price

I dont know what school of economics you went to but the overhead expenses, lease, wages, fuel, maintenance, landing fees are simply not covered at their average level of ops. I can assure you they are ripping up millions at the moment
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:22 pm

He y this may have already been asked but what has Happened to 738 VH-VXB. It has not seen Active duty since 27th July. Last flight according to the Qantas Source was SYD MEL 443.

Maybe its under overhaul and being painted white with a newer one from Boeing to be painted Yananji Colours???
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:43 am

Quoting ThunderB (Reply 202):
And also with a pax max of 144, in a 180 seater it will look semi empty.

Why do they have a max of 144 pax? Who has set the limit? Did they lose the CASA dispensation to operate a full load with four cabin crew? Did they even have that dispensation to begin with, pedi they have five cabin crew previously?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:30 am

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 204):

He y this may have already been asked but what has Happened to 738 VH-VXB. It has not seen Active duty since 27th July. Last flight according to the Qantas Source was SYD MEL 443.

Maybe its under overhaul and being painted white with a newer one from Boeing to be painted Yananji Colours???

Doubt that it's losing it's Yananyi colours -- it would be extremely cool to see it come back out with the updated tail and typeface though. It should be back soonish if it's just a standard mx check (been over 6 weeks thus far) so we should find out soon.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:51 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 203):
I dont know what school of economics you went to

Isnt the cost per a seat per a km inclusive of those overheads? There would be a percentage of it inclusive? no?

I never said that they.'re not bleeding money, thou they are on the right way to getting their house in order, from what the media and word of mouth... good luck to them

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 205):
Why do they have a max of 144 pax?

These exemptions have a shelf life, like QF, DJ, JQ etc. of 6-12 months so most likely someone forgot with everything else going on to put in the form!! than again CASA could have lost it  . Their A320 only have 4 cabin crew seats so the 5th is not possible.

[Edited 2011-09-14 01:52:26]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:40 am

QF 767GE Aircraft to receive in seat IFE.

QF and Apple will shortly announce a new IFE product that will be trialed on QF 767GE aircraft starting from October 2011. Each seat will have an iPad placed in the seat pocket for the use of passengers in flight. For passengers who prefer to use their own items, will be able to download an app from the app store that will grant them access to hundreds of movies, music, tv , Live dedicated Channel 9 News and more streamed on board during flight to the iPad or personal PED during the cruise stage of flight.

If the trial is successful, the iPad will replace all content in the seat pocket, such as the Australian Way Magazine, duty free magazines, menus etc... and eventually will replace items such as newspapers delivered to premium passengers as papers and magazines will be available on the iPad.

Each iPad will be able to be traced/tracked if it is taken from an aircraft and the risk assessment has been made by Apple and QF predicting that the uplift/loss of the product will be minimal.

Exciting Development for sure.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:26 pm

Quoting pugsley (Reply 208):
QF and Apple will shortly announce a new IFE product that will be trialed on QF 767GE aircraft starting from October 2011.

I think this was announced today -- certainly an interesting direction for them to go in. I think that the iPad/tablet model is far superior to the integrated IFE model for short haul domestic flying -- it's more flexible, more web focused, less issues with holding devices (due to shorter period of time), a bit more fun and engaging and can realistically replace things like newspapers and magazines much better than a 9" screen at the end of your nose can.

Hoping that this is the way forwards for them domestically!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:21 pm

Quoting pugsley (Reply 208):

Each iPad will be able to be traced/tracked if it is taken from an aircraft and the risk assessment has been made by Apple and QF predicting that the uplift/loss of the product will be minimal.

Does that take into account people dropping them... or being geniuses and spilling coffee all over them?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:33 pm

I think this is worthy of discussion in relation to Qantas and China.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...lying-to-china-20110914-1k8bk.html

What's interesting is that China, including Hong Kong, now account for 10% of QF International revenue. We've already seen China Southern increase Brisbane service from 3 to 4 per week with a continuing service to Beijing plus Chinese Airlines add additional services to Melbourne and Sydney. CX is also adding flights.

It'll be interesting to see what QF does in response. They have to do something about MEL/BNE - China services soon or they'll miss the boat. A single daily A330 from Sydney to Shanghai isn't going to cut it and they also need to get back into Beijing. JQ has applied for and been granted a daily A330 service for direct Australia/China services so it'll be interesting to see which routes they launch on.

Meanwhile DJ should start looking at this as well especially as their A332 operations mature. It's also a substantial opportunity for them if QF decides to keep its head in the ground.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:20 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 210):
Does that take into account people dropping them... or being geniuses and spilling coffee all over them?

I'd have thought it would -- QF know that these things happen (and they are going to carry spares on board).

Quoting sydscott (Reply 211):
It'll be interesting to see what QF does in response.

I think China will be served via the new Asian airline -- offering seamless connections to everywhere in Australia with an international grade product all the way. In reality it's not going to add a stop for most people to go via SIN (or wherever) so long as they offer a wide range of Chinese cities.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:59 am

Quoting pugsley (Reply 208):
QF 767GE Aircraft to receive in seat IFE.

Too bad the seats and carpets are worn and the general cabins on the planes feel 20-30 years old
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:24 pm

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 213):
Too bad the seats and carpets are worn and the general cabins on the planes feel 20-30 years old

I was waiting for someone to say that! It is a shame that Qantas is not going down the path of LAN and Delta in refitting the 763s with a newer interior. It would improve the customer experience and general perception of the aircraft - which are still great workhorses for the domestic network.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 213):
Too bad the seats and carpets are worn and the general cabins on the planes feel 20-30 years old

I've heard that this is the start of a wider cabin refresh for the B767-300's. Also heard that the Lufthansa Systems broadcast IFE is the start of a new era of innovations that will impress their customers and take Qantas back to the front of the 'airline pack' in terms of new technologies and customer product and service.

I hope the TWU and AIPA pull their heads in!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:09 pm

Aeropelican are increasing BNE-Narrabri to double daily MON-FRI from 17 oct.
This is up from 7 a week to 10.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:02 pm

Aeropelican are increasing BNE-Narrabri to double daily MON-FRI from 17 oct.
This is up from 7 a week to 10.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:06 am

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but couldn't find anything in the search:

SQ will increase services to ADL to 10x week during summer, with double daily flights on Mon Tus and Sat. -possibly the first time we've had a double daily international service from ADL??? Equip for the three extra services will be 772 - the normal daily service will continue to be the A330.

Also Cathay will be dropping the MEL tag from three of the daily ADL-HKG flights making those flights direct. The remaining four flights per week will still have the MEL tag.

Great news for our little airport!  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:34 am

Quoting cam747 (Reply 218):
Great news for our little airport!

Great news for my old home town - another city QF has given up on!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:20 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 215):
I hope the TWU and AIPA pull their heads in!

I believe that Qantas' falling behind in the area of customer comfort and amenity are hardly caused by the TWU and AIPA.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #53

Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:47 am

New thread Australian Aviation Thread #54 (by TN486 Sep 17 2011 in Civil Aviation) now up and running
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