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First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:19 pm
by nostrum
HP is reporting the breaking news. A 7F B737 has crashed in Canada:
Link: Plane From Yellowknife Crashes In Far North

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:30 pm
by RobK

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:30 pm
by acidradio
I can't get your link to Huffington Post to load. But I found one on CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/...ry/2011/08/20/north-air-crash.html . Apparently a number of military personnel are in the area for an exercise which hopefully proves helpful in saving crew/passengers.

Not many details yet because this just occurred. Apparently the plane went down near Resolute Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute,_Nunavut . The weather is relatively warm but that is still generally one of the coldest places in the world http://www.weather.com/weather/today/CAXX2565 .

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:40 pm
by nostrum
Quoting acidradio (Reply 2):
I can't get your link to Huffington Post to load
HP is reporting that the 737 (-200 I suppose) was carrying 15 passengers plus crew members, but could not confirm the number of people affected.

I'm hoping there are no fatalities.

[Edited 2011-08-20 12:41:02]

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:46 pm
by flyorski
Quoting nostrum (Reply 3):
I'm hoping there are no fatalities.

I agree.

Hopefully rescue operations can conclude quickly with all the military currently in the area.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:01 pm
by scrubbsywg
CBC's ticker says 12 dead 3 hurt.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:20 pm
by jcs17
Hopefully the runway isn't blocked so they are able to quickly fly the injured southbound for treatment.

Noticed this on another site.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/feature...tte/2011/08/nanook11/index-eng.asp

Operation NANOOK 11 - Sovereignty operations and security exercises in Canada’s Northwest Passage

Quote:
Operation NANOOK 11 is a two part operation.

Part one:

A sovereignty and presence patrolling operation
Conducted from 4 to 20 August, 2011 on Cornwallis Island and at sea in Davis Strait, Baffin Bay and Lancaster Sound
Includes the participation of our international partners from the United States and Denmark

Part two:

A Canadian whole-of-government exercise
Includes a simulated major air disaster conducted in the vicinity of Resolute Bay, NU
Includes a simulated maritime emergency exercise conducted in the Strathcona Sound, NU area of northern Baffin Island



[Edited 2011-08-20 13:24:04]

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:23 pm
by ZKCIF
Quoting jcs17 (Reply 6):
Hopefully the runway isn't blocked so they are able to quickly fly the injured southbound for treatment.

I understand it happened in the wilderness so helicopters will be required. Condolences to all concerned.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:43 pm
by RubberJungle
Quoting jcs17 (Reply 6):
A Canadian whole-of-government exercise
Includes a simulated major air disaster conducted in the vicinity of Resolute Bay, NU

There are websites quoting officials as saying the accident is not related to the exercise.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:51 pm
by hiflyeras
Condolences to the First Air family and all touched by this. Looking forward to more info as to what might have happened.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:53 pm
by yfbflyer
Does anyone have the reg?
I often fly First Air and I know several people that work the for airline as well.
My deepest condolences to all involved.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:12 pm
by MerlinIIIB
C-GNWN according to AvHerald

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:13 pm
by leo8448
The aircraft was C-GNWN, a B737-210C.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:14 pm
by tcasalert
RIP to all those who perished in this disaster, wishing a speedy recovery to those who survived.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:15 pm
by yfbflyer
Distant picture of the crash site posted there as well.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4419c56e

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:21 pm
by something
What a sad thing  

But why was it carrying only 11 passengers? Are those cargo flights mainly?

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:22 pm
by HorizonGirl
My deepest condolences to those affected by the accident. My heart goes out to all of you. I wish the best to all of those who survived this.


Devon

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:29 pm
by MerlinIIIB
Picture in AvHerald is not of the crash site, it is of the exercise in the same area. Please read caption above picture!

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:34 pm
by yfbflyer
Sorry missed the caption

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:38 pm
by YZFOO7F
My thoughts and prayers for everyone involved. I've flown on that plane many many times. Scary. What a sad day.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:39 pm
by njxc500
Quoting MerlinIIIB (Reply 17):
Picture in AvHerald is not of the crash site

Incorrect. If you reference his twitter page, he specifically says that is the crash site, 30 minutes after the crash.

If someone is French-speaking, please look thru his twitter page.

http://twitter.com/#!/nlaffont

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:41 pm
by ZKCIF
Quoting something (Reply 15):
But why was it carrying only 11 passengers? Are those cargo flights mainly?

The aircraft is mostly used as a combi and has approximately 60 seats.
It does not habitually fly to Resolute; ATR42 usually serve that airport flying from Iqaluit with intermediate stops. I presume for such a small community as the one of Resolute Bay, even 5 passengers is quite much.
The aircraft that crashed was chartered; a month ago I saw a chartered DHC7 in Greenland with 7 passengers. This happens everyday in these outposts.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:46 pm
by nostrum
Quoting something (Reply 15):
But why was it carrying only 11 passengers? Are those cargo flights mainly?

Registration C-GNWN was a combi version.

C-GNWN pictures:

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[Edited 2011-08-20 15:12:55]

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:46 pm
by MerlinIIIB
Quoting njxc500 (Reply 20):
Incorrect. If you reference his twitter page, he specifically says that is the crash site, 30 minutes after the crash.

Caption changed just after my post. Typical for a dynamic situation like this.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:57 pm
by braynfeeble
Condolences and sympathy to my colleagues and anyone involved with this accident, and their family and friends.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:59 pm
by njxc500
I was hoping he'd tweet some more info, so I looked up his twitter page, the caption still isn't clear if you ask me.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:03 pm
by kaitak
1975 build aircraft, LN 410.

Very sad to hear this news; as far as I can see, the first fatal crash involving a Canadian commercial airliner since the Air Canada DC9 incident at CVG in 1983.

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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:09 pm
by Kaiarahi
Quoting something (Reply 15):
But why was it carrying only 11 passengers? Are those cargo flights mainly?

Combi.

Quoting YZFOO7F (Reply 19):
I've flown on that plane many many times.

Me too.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:14 pm
by Kaiarahi
Quoting kaitak (Reply 26):
as far as I can see, the first fatal crash involving a Canadian commercial airliner since the Air Canada DC9 incident at CVG in 1983.

Air Ontario F28 in 1989 - 21 dead (not counting some of the small scheduled floatplane services along the BC coast).

[Edited 2011-08-20 15:57:36]

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:15 pm
by B747forever
My deepest condolences to the family and friends of those that lost their lives today. I am sure that anyone with ties to First Air must be in shock.


Have anyone found pics of the crash site yet as it would give an idea of what might have happened.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:30 pm
by nostrum
Quoting B747forever (Reply 29):
Have anyone found pics of the crash site yet as it would give an idea of what might have happened.
Quoting yfbflyer (Reply 14):
Distant picture of the crash site posted there as well.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4419c56e

There is a picture in the article and locals reported poor visibility and low cloud.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:32 pm
by auroralives
This article in the Globe and Mail is most detailed information I've seen to date..

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:47 pm
by flymia
Quoting nostrum (Reply 30):
There is a picture in the article and locals reported poor visibility and low cloud.

I am guessing an airport like this probably does not have ILS? Or at least maybe not a CAT II or III system.

Terrible news to hear this.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:06 am
by tempest1944
That's really sad...my condolences to all those affected by this. I do hope SAR people were able to get there quickly...either from Trenton, or the NANOOK personnel.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:11 am
by mrskyguy
Despite its remote locatuon, Resolute Bay is actually well-equipped for instrument approaches. Resolute (CYRB) has:

RNAV rwy 17T
RNAV rwy 35T
LOC(BC) A (rwy 17T)
LOC(BC)/DME rwy 17T
ILS/NDB rwy 35T

Here is a link to charts circa 2008: http://charts.ivao.ca/CAP1/CYRB.pdf

That aside, I am truly devastated and offer my sincerest condolences for all victims, family members, friends, and airline employees.

I've always felt a special kinship for First Air, despite having A) never flown a Bradley flight nor B) ever even seen the Northern Territories. There's a certain spunk to an airline that operates in one of the most inhospitable places on the earth in a scheduled passenger and freight capacity utilizing jet aircraft to gravel runways. Really, it doesn't get any better than putting a B732 down on dirt. First Air also has a rather robust marketing department despite the size of the airline.. they do what they do very well.

In time when broken hearts are mending, perhaps lessons will be learned from this accident to prevent future loss of life elsewhere in the world.


RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:18 am
by Pu752
May the victims rest in peace.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:20 am
by shufflemoomin
What a horrible occurrence. Being an avid viewer of Ice Pilots, you get a feel for those northern communities. So, so sad to hear they've been hit by such a horrible event. I pray for survivors.  

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:28 am
by hmmmm...
Sounds like another controlled flight into terrain in bad visibility. This type of accident never dies.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:00 am
by shnoob940
Yikes, I am set to fly 7F YZF-YEG next year on a 732  Wow!

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:05 am
by Kaiarahi
Quoting Shnoob940 (Reply 38):
Yikes, I am set to fly 7F YZF-YEG next year on a 732 Wow!

First hull loss in 65 years of flying into some of the most inhospitable territory in the world.. Don't worry - some of the best pilots I've ever jump-seated with - really!

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:10 am
by readyjetgo
Very sad to read this news. Condolences to the families and friends of those lost, and to anyone directly connected to this disaster. Let's hope that we can learn facts from this accident that will help continue to improve safety, so their deaths will not have been in vain.

[Edited 2011-08-20 18:11:50]

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:15 am
by trigged
RIP to those who perished. Thoughts and condolences with those affected.

The FlightAware track log looks strange. It puts her at FL310, then at 11:13AM it descends rapidly

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F.../20110820/1400Z/CYZF/CYRB/tracklog

She has sure seen some interesting things over her life. This was quite an interesting hybrid paint scheme in the transition from AirCal to American back in 1988


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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:16 am
by KFlyer
FirstAir has been one of my favourite airlines for their uniqueness and flying classics to one of the harshest environments. RIP to all involved. Reportedly many helicopters in the area.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:28 am
by fanofjets
I join the other A.netters here to express my concolences. Very sad news, indeed.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:30 am
by zeke
Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 34):
Despite its remote locatuon, Resolute Bay is actually well-equipped for instrument approaches. Resolute (CYRB) has:

RNAV rwy 17T
RNAV rwy 35T
LOC(BC) A (rwy 17T)
LOC(BC)/DME rwy 17T
ILS/NDB rwy 35T

I would doubt this 737-200 was retrofitted to fly RNAV approaches


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The 35 ILS is currently notamed U/S as well as the VASIS 17, I do not know if they were that way pre accident.

METARS for the time of the accident (accident approx at 16:04Z)

SA 20/08/2011 17:00->
METAR CYRB 201700Z CCA 20007KT 10SM VCFG SCT002 OVC009 07/06 A2982 RMK SF2ST6 SLP105=

SP 20/08/2011 16:49->
SPECI CYRB 201649Z 18013KT 5SM -DZ BR OVC003 RMK ST8=

SA 20/08/2011 16:00->
METAR CYRB 201600Z 18008KT 10SM -DZ OVC007 06/06 A2981 RMK ST8 SLP100=


SP 20/08/2011 15:33->
SPECI CYRB 201533Z 17008KT 5SM -DZ BR OVC006 RMK ST8=

SA 20/08/2011 15:00->
METAR CYRB 201500Z 18016KT 1/2SM R35/2200FT -DZ FG VV002 06/06 A2979 RMK FG8 SLP095=

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:44 am
by Kaiarahi
Quoting zeke (Reply 44):
I would doubt this 737-200 was retrofitted to fly RNAV approaches


Not, as far as I know. YRB is usually served by ATRs - this was a charter flight.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:47 am
by Okie
Quoting hmmmm... (Reply 37):
Sounds like another controlled flight into terrain in bad visibility. This type of accident never dies.


You are probably going to be correct.
The baffling part here is that we have ILS, an airport that the operator and pilots normally frequents, and from the picture that I saw only undulating terrain on the approach and the crash site about approx 5 km's from airport property. They had to be way below the 3deg glide slope at that distance to find terra firma. From what information we have at this point things just do not seem to add up.

Okie

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:50 am
by Kaiarahi
Quoting okie (Reply 46):
an airport that the operator and pilots normally frequents,

With ATRs. This was a 732 charter.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:53 am
by sanjet
Quoting hmmmm... (Reply 37):
Sounds like another controlled flight into terrain in bad visibility. This type of accident never dies.


We'll let the TSB investigators determine that. You don't know what happened.

RE: First Air 737 Crashed In Canada

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:54 am
by Kaiarahi
Quoting okie (Reply 46):
They had to be way below the 3deg glide slope at that distance to find terra firma.

No indication they were on final - it looks more like downwind. But it's very early days ....