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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:26 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 198):
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 199):

From December and all high seasons CAL will be flying JFK-GEO nonstop with NA 763. The first will be 3w Wed,Thr, Fri.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:39 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 199):
people all around me were saying they would rather this delay than using CAL. I don't know if they were serious, as in a crowd people will exaggerate

Well it is typical of Caribbean folks. Always bash the local guy but let the real bad guy get off free.
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:13 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 200):

Sorry was that North American a/c? Seems strange, I wonder whether it's a wet lease.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:24 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 202):

Sorry was that North American a/c? Seems strange, I wonder whether it's a wet lease.

GUYAIR707

Yes Sir its a wet leased North American 767. Operating 3w flights on behalf of CAL for the Christmas.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:49 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 203):

Great news, do you know whether that is in addition to 525 and 425 or will they drop one? Well seems like JFK-GEO loads are improving.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:43 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 200):

From December and all high seasons CAL will be flying JFK-GEO nonstop with NA 763. The first will be 3w Wed,Thr, Fri.

That is great news. (Finally!) Hopefully year round non-stop service will be introduced soon.
This is the schedule:
BW503 JFK 09:00 - GEO 15:45
BW504 GEO 17:45 - JFK 22:15
I would have thought that the flights would have been overnight in at least one direction, but the timings seem perfect for passengers leaving in New York as well as for those living far from Timehri.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:13 am

Quoting BW985 (Reply 205):

They probably want to keep 425 going so the time is to avoid competing with that flight. Now they will have one that leaves in the morning, late afternoon, and midnight from JFK during peak times. Lots of options.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:30 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 204):

No the 424/425 and 524/525 will remaim the same.

Quoting BW985 (Reply 205):

Why have another red eye, its giving people to fly in the morning, afternoon and evening.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:06 am

Hey guys Fyi there is a new Caribbean airlines trip report just posted
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:32 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 199):

The same crowd, if they were on CL and 15 minutes late, would have been demanding to be transferred to Delta as "CAL always late". We have our own flags but still remain colonized.

Smelly plane, crews tire d of having to endure this treatment (they must dfeal with it in BOTH directions) and crews showing up late for work....because they probably just jumped off another flight, or subs had to be called out because the original was delayed on another flight.

Knock me on the head if I am ever mad enough to use DL to GEO, unless BW is full and I really have to get there.

[Edited 2011-10-03 09:34:30]

[Edited 2011-10-03 09:34:55]
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:28 pm

Any of you guys heard of an operation name "AA Caribbean" that had filed for some routes out of FLL (like FLL-BZE) using Dornier aircraft?
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 210):
"AA Caribbean" that had filed for some routes out of FLL (like FLL-BZE) using Dornier aircraft?

Flying FLL-BZE on a Dornier, that will attract people!!!

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:31 pm

[quote=A388,reply=211]Flying FLL-BZE on a Dornier, that will attract people!!![

Actually not that far....bout 800 miles as the crow flies.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:06 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 212):

Actually not that far....bout 800 miles as the crow flies.

Yes, but on a Dornier? Unless its a private flight, I don't see any attractiveness to such an operation.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:57 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 213):
Yes, but on a Dornier? Unless its a private flight, I don't see any attractiveness to such an operation.

Perhaps a Dornier 328Jet?


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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:39 am

Read about a new startup charter airline EZJet, based in Florida, wants to fly JFK GEO and possibly POS as an intransit.

Visited CAL's booth at Guyexpo this weekend was kind of pathethic.

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[Edited 2011-10-03 19:43:46]
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:42 am

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 214):
Perhaps a Dornier 328Jet?

That's what I meant,such a small plane? Spare parts are also hard to get due to the limited success of the aircraft.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:24 pm

Hi guys..things seem to have gone a bit quiet...perhaps everyone is eagerly anticipating the arrival of Caribbean Airlines' new ATRs!

Anyone knows when in October the first one will be arriving? Has it been spotted at the ATR Production Facility yet?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Also- I really like the new route map on CAL's and JM's websites. I believe for the first time in about a year its acurate! haha

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 217):
Hi guys..things seem to have gone a bit quiet...perhaps everyone is eagerly anticipating the arrival of Caribbean Airlines' new ATRs!

Anyone knows when in October the first one will be arriving? Has it been spotted at the ATR Production Facility yet?

As I understood it the first one 9Y-TTA should be POS October 31st, and the Second one in December, and then 1 aircraft each month next year.
The 2 738s are awaiting for final approval from the Finance committee and the dash8 are to be sold.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:24 pm

Lots of talk going around about some unhappiness towards the ATR. Apparently it cannot climb above 16000' on a full load.
Rumours around about an eventual switch to Dash8-Q400s.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting Inbound (Reply 219):
Lots of talk going around about some unhappiness towards the ATR. Apparently it cannot climb above 16000' on a full load.
Rumours around about an eventual switch to Dash8-Q400s.

I keep wondering how it came to be that Caribbean Airlines, which was once a proud example that a Caribbean airline could be run efficiently, has nose dived so rapidly. The decision making is really very poor and it's just very sad. I really hope this will all change soon.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 218):
As I understood it the first one 9Y-TTA should be POS October 31st

Great! Thanks

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 218):
The 2 738s are awaiting for final approval from the Finance committee and the dash8 are to be sold.

Lets hope these two come soon! I remember reading that the Dash8's could possibly go to the Air Guard for coastal surveillance.

Quoting Inbound (Reply 219):
Lots of talk going around about some unhappiness towards the ATR. Apparently it cannot climb above 16000' on a full load.

Surely this is not a massive issue- American Eagle fly ATRs across the region and many other carriers use the ATRs all over the world on much longer segments, and use them seemingly effectively. Something is not adding up- the negative chatter about the ATRs must be originating from someone or somewhere with an ulterior motive/ hidden agenda.

Quoting A388 (Reply 220):
I keep wondering how it came to be that Caribbean Airlines, which was once a proud example that a Caribbean airline could be run efficiently, has nose dived so rapidly. The decision making is really very poor and it's just very sad. I really hope this will all change soon.

The change in Government led to a change in policy towards Caribbean Airlines. PNM = Hands-off, UNC = Hands on. Political intervention in a Company leads to massive corruption and inefficiency. Those that operate more like Private Companies with some distance from the Government are shining examples as they are well funded/ well capitalized efficient machines.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:58 pm

As much as I would like to see the Q400 its not suited for the POS - TAB hops the ATR is the only option available right now. The Q is more suited for GEO-POS etc the despite LI being a Dash operator given their current route structure the ATR is their only option as well.
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 221):
Quoting Inbound (Reply 219):
Lots of talk going around about some unhappiness towards the ATR. Apparently it cannot climb above 16000' on a full load.

Surely this is not a massive issue- American Eagle fly ATRs across the region and many other carriers use the ATRs all over the world on much longer segments, and use them seemingly effectively. Something is not adding up- the negative chatter about the ATRs must be originating from someone or somewhere with an ulterior motive/ hidden agenda.

AA1818 it should not be a major issue cause the ATR can climb above 16000' with a full load especially on longer routes of over one hour. Those folks I guess dont fly that much.
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:22 pm

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 223):
Quoting aa1818 (Reply 221):
Quoting Inbound (Reply 219):
Lots of talk going around about some unhappiness towards the ATR. Apparently it cannot climb above 16000' on a full load.

Surely this is not a massive issue- American Eagle fly ATRs across the region and many other carriers use the ATRs all over the world on much longer segments, and use them seemingly effectively. Something is not adding up- the negative chatter about the ATRs must be originating from someone or somewhere with an ulterior motive/ hidden agenda.

AA1818 it should not be a major issue cause the ATR can climb above 16000' with a full load especially on longer routes of over one hour. Those folks I guess dont fly that much.

Yes, it's very sad people actually listen to those people with hidden agendas. The people who spread those ATR rumours mentioned in the post of Inbound is just ridiculous and based on nothing. Anyone with a bit of aviation knowledge knows this and it just amazes me every time people still come up with these unfounded stories that are based on nothing but air.

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:55 pm

New forum should be up by this weekend guys. Been rather busy of late.

With respect to the situation concerning the ATRs, I can do nothing else but shake my head in both pity and anger.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:31 am

Copa is enjoying the increase in travelers from Latin America to The Bahamas and is considering making the NAS-PTY daily service. And according to the vice president of marketing, the route is a contender for being the most successful to date. Cudps to Copa for being successful on the route. Some days they send the 73G to nassau instead of the E90. Below is the link

http://www.thenassauguardian.com/ind...ent&view=article&id=13339&Itemid=2

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:12 am

Quoting bloodyrascal (Reply 226):
Copa is enjoying the increase in travellers from Latin America to The Bahamas and is considering making the NAS-PTY daily service. And according to the vice president of marketing, the route is a contender for being the most successful to date.

I just can't believe that CM PTY hub could provide traffic for future daily PTY-NAS. The schedule isn't even timed to connect to/from KIN/POS/PAP, some markets that IMHO would have provided sizeable traffic.
I keep repeating it, now looking at CM NAS and SXM experiences, just start CM to BZE, GCM, SCU, BGI, CUR, GEO plus PBM and lets see what is going to happen.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:27 pm

Yesterday, The Panamanian national Football team flew on a charter flight w/Air Panama F70 from Albrook MPLB (PAC) to Dominica.
Question is, Did Air Panama F70 land in DCF or DOM?.
TV journalists reporting on the morning news before the match later this afternoon reported the team got in very tired after a 3 hour flight to the island and 90 minutes transfer from the airport to the hotel.
I believe the F70 is on Dominica rightnow and will fly the team and delegation back to Panama City sometime tomorrow.
IMHO, it was a very good choice to charter Air Panama F70 to fly the team to and from Dominica as if they were flying commercial, probably they would have been routed via SJU or POS.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:49 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 227):
I keep repeating it, now looking at CM NAS and SXM experiences

Well, the SXM frequency will be increased soon so I'm not sure what to believe now...

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:23 pm

Quoting bloodyrascal (Reply 226):

Copa is enjoying the increase in travelers from Latin America to The Bahamas and is considering making the NAS-PTY daily service. And according to the vice president of marketing, the route is a contender for being the most successful to date. Cudps to Copa for being successful on the route. Some days they send the 73G to nassau instead of the E90. Below is the link

I said some time ago that NAS has down very well for CM....and I was doubted.....I rest my case  
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 227):
I just can't believe that CM PTY hub could provide traffic for future daily PTY-NAS.

Believe it....S. Americans (esp Brazilians) want to travel....they have money to travel....take out the US stop and the tourism to the country and boom.

Aruba is testament to this. and if Jamaica can get their act together as remove those visa restrictions on S. American countries....MBJ will see this too.
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:29 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 230):
Believe it....S. Americans (esp Brazilians) want to travel....they have money to travel....take out the US stop and the tourism to the country and boom.

Aruba is testament to this. and if Jamaica can get their act together as remove those visa restrictions on S. American countries....MBJ will see this too.

I believe this too with the only difference to bring those South Americans to Curacao!!! 

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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:52 pm

There were previous attempts to get South Americans to Jamaica, LAN Chile and one of the Colombian carriers. Maybe lack of shopping, and casinos, and the feeling of "danger" because the hoteliers "panic" every time a tourists tries to go out and do their own thing, doesnt appeal. Because those flights stopped.

I understand that all-inclusives might have their own agenda but this behavior is very apparent if one stays in one of them. We were sometimes given the impression (at Hedonism, and I have heard others say the same at other hotels) that we should stay in the hotel or only do organized tours. Doesnt exactly inspire confidence for those who dont know Jamaica and who might be at a language disadvantage (face it what most Jamaicans speak among themselves isnt considered remotely "English", especially by non English speakers)..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 228):

Has to be DOM as DCF is like landing on an airraft carrier. Even several LIAT pilots when they had twin otters used to be concerned about DCF. M
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:06 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 227):
I keep repeating it, now looking at CM NAS and SXM experiences, just start CM to BZE, GCM, SCU, BGI, CUR, GEO plus PBM and lets see what is going to happen.

From your mouth to Copa's ear...
 
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:01 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 232):

There were previous attempts to get South Americans to Jamaica, LAN Chile and one of the Colombian carriers. Maybe lack of shopping, and casinos, and the feeling of "danger" because the hoteliers "panic" every time a tourists tries to go out and do their own thing, doesnt appeal. Because those flights stopped.

Reason for failure: every single one of them needed (and as of right now still do) a very very complicated (to get) visa which was a hold over from colonial days. Often times it necessitated a trip to the British High Commission.

It was easier to go to somewhere like Aruba....and yes....as we see S. American carriers have had success there.

I think this visa thing (which the GoJ seems to be working on) is probably part of the reason why CM has not increased KIN....connecting traffic to KIN at PTY is probably very limited....mostly o&d.

Quoting turk223 (Reply 233):
From your mouth to Copa's ear...

I think a few of them read this message board.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 227):
I keep repeating it, now looking at CM NAS and SXM experiences, just start CM to BZE, GCM, SCU, BGI, CUR, GEO plus PBM and lets see what is going to happen.

Most of those would work no problem..especially GEO, GCM, BGI, CUR and my favorite BZE
        
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RE: City Of Smiles - Caribbean Aviation Thread 90

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:22 am

New forum is up guys. Apologies once again for the wait.

The Nature Island- Caribbean Aviation Thread 91 (by BW424 Oct 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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