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Turkish Aviation September 2011

Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:35 pm

Hello end of summer!!!
Greetings from a muggy Anamur night, Zeki Muren background music, having an "Orta".
As you might imagine it is hard to start a thread on the road, but I am doing my best to give it a shot.

Thanks for all your inputs during the past 5 or so years, you are the best.
I congratulate every single one of you for keeping this informative, interesting for all this time.

I have a couple of questions;
-Turkish government 332 was supposed to join in July, what is taking so long?
-I drove by Gazipasa airport today, WOW, I would like to hear from our pilot friends about the location of this airport, surrounded by hills???

Please join us with your news, rumors, pictures and great sense of humor.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:51 pm

Hi TK787, will TK be resuming Mardin next year after refurbishment? if not then along with LGW its the second destination axed by TK, I'm assuming LGW is gone as its not appearing in TK Cargo online schedule only listed in PDF which they dont recommend sticking to.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:14 am

continuing the discussion about all the domestic carriers and their service quality I'm very impressed that nobody ever mentioned Sunexpress. Operating at three hubs (SAW, ADB, AYT) they are in my oppinion on the same level as PC, KK and 8Q. Nevertheless, and this counts for all, it is always a win or lose situation. either you'll have a great crew or you just wish the flight to be over as fast as possible.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:25 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-I drove by Gazipasa airport today, WOW, I would like to hear from our pilot friends about the location of this airport, surrounded by hills???

IIRC a Transavia 737 did some go-arounds several time before going to Antalya Airport some time ago. Don't know if it had to do with the surrounded hills or other factors.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 2):
continuing the discussion about all the domestic carriers and their service quality I'm very impressed that nobody ever mentioned Sunexpress.

SunExpress is indeed a great airline, although I have never flown them domestically. They should introduce online check-in for international passenger!
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:19 am

Seems like my last ride on ex-Jet 77Ws tonight. Too bad I didn't upgrade this one, as the suites are sold as J.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:35 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Turkish government 332 was supposed to join in July, what is taking so long?

The CNBC-E Business magasine September issue has an article on this plane. According to the author the flight tests and painting has been completed, VIP re-configuration is being implemented.

Regards,
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:42 pm

A in-depth analysis of TK's performance this year and lots more...

Link: http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...e-rate-losses-and-fuel-costs/page1
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:09 am

I just read that TK's flight that skidded off the runway in Bombay was carrying only 97 people. Are the loads always that bad?

Thanks.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:19 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 7):
I just read that TK's flight that skidded off the runway in Bombay was carrying only 97 people

And the aircraft was an A343 - TC-JDM.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:27 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 7):
Are the loads always that bad?

Its a holiday week in Turkey (and much the Muslim world). People that went on vacation are returning home, and business activity does not pick up again until next week.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:49 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 8):
And the aircraft was an A343 - TC-JDM.

Thanks for that, especially because it was mentioned that it was an A330-200 in that video.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Its a holiday week in Turkey (and much the Muslim world). People that went on vacation are returning home, and business activity does not pick up again until next week.

Yeah but exactly because people are going back home from holidays the flights should be full.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:56 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 10):
Yeah but exactly because people are going back home from holidays the flights should be full.

You fail to understand -- People (Turks) are not going to go on vacation to India on Friday when they need to return to work on Monday. Folks left last weekend to begin their vacations.
Flights returning to Turkey are full, outbounds are much weaker these few days except to places like Europe which will return ex-pat Turks to their home countries.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:14 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
You fail to understand -- People (Turks) are not going to go on vacation to India on Friday when they need to return to work on Monday. Folks left last weekend to begin their vacations.
Flights returning to Turkey are full, outbounds are much weaker these few days except to places like Europe which will return ex-pat Turks to their home countries.

No, I understand that. I was actually thinking that there would be better loads as TK offers connections via IST.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:39 am

Here you are a video about my first flight to Gazipasa...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcGTYxQQZA

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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:46 pm

What will happen to TC-JDM. Is the damage is too high or not ? Since it is A340 I guess it will cost some money to recover the plane ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:42 am

Is B738 TC-JGD about to leave the fleet? B77W TC-JJP has been allocated its selcal code. TK don't share codes but they do recycle their old ones when aircraft leave the fleet....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:19 pm

Quoting AYT (Reply 14):

What will happen to TC-JDM. Is the damage is too high or not ? Since it is A340 I guess it will cost some money to recover the plane ?

Why some people are so ready to write 340s off so bad.. ? There is nothing wrong with the airplane from what I have seen so far.. The plane is just stuck in the mud. Didn't see a nosewheel collapse , etc. It should be just fine..
Those 340s are paid for and they are not really money makers in the used market. If I was TK I would hang on to them for at least 10 more years.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:56 pm

Salamlar!
This gonna be my first post in the Turkish Aviation theme.
Have a question, maybe someone can help me  With these recent strange relations between Turkey and Israel is there any chance that THY will cancel flights to TLV? The reason I'm asking is my upcoming flight GYD-IST-TLV... Any ideas?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:56 pm

Quoting Tsveto4nik (Reply 17):
Have a question, maybe someone can help me  With these recent strange relations between Turkey and Israel is there any chance that THY will cancel flights to TLV?

Not at all. Israel is a big market for TK, taking connecting traffic to and from TLV. You see all types of aircraft being sent to TLV to handle demand, from 77Ws, 333s and every other member of the fleet. I think there is 4 x daily flights into TLV at the moment, and at least some of these are widebodies. Potentially you could see the number of flights being reduced, however the flights connecting to and from the main IST connection banks will remain.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:14 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 16):

Dear Bahadir. When I looked at the pictures and read the news it just seemed to me that it is hard to recovery just like A310 incident in the recent months. That's why I was wondering about is the plane will come back or not.

Personally I like A340 I had my best two flight with A343 and A346. I wish there si no ETOPS restrictions so that we can see many A340s flying. I even thought A346 could be better choice instead of B77W. So in my case I love A340 I can not want them to see written off.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:54 am

Dear AYT,

In A310 incident, there are big problems on fuselage. I think A340 will survive in few days. After high oil prices, it's hard to do economical operation with old 4 engine aircrafts. For THY good think is they owned 7 A340's and pay no leasing which effects to costs...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:14 pm

TK already put couple of the 340s for sale beginning of this year. This shows you that some of the older ones might be gone in a year or two, one way or another; sale or boneyard. Then ex-JM birds' lease is up next year.
At that point TK has a choice to make; either keep the 3-5 strong 340 fleet few more years, lease younger 340s to keep the number of 340s around 7-9, or get rid of the whole fleet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:57 pm

At the moment, A340's are joker like A310's in the past. But it's not easy to find customer such an 15+ years old machines... Maybe again Iran? We will see...
New information about the A340 in India, 2 engines got FOD. New engines send.

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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:28 pm

I posted this is another thread, however it shows the A340 has a better future being broken up then flying.


A340 Dismantling Candidate

The Airbus A340-300 is the top disassembly pick for GA Telesis because acquisition cost are low, parts have commonality with other Airbus models, and the CFM56 engine has large operator base, says Stefan Kageman, GA Telesis, VP of Aircraft Sales and Marketing.
In addition, because four engine power the aircraft instead of two, its maintenance cost are higher, which also means there is a demand for used components from remaining operators.



The end of the A340 came when Airbus themselves were telling potential customers to buy the A330 instead due to its better economics.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:26 am

Hi guys,
There are a lot of negative comments from AirportHaber readers regarding TK 777's losing a lot of money. Is there any truth in this or are these people commenting just ill-informed. Could it just be TK bashing. I have have been on TK 777's twice, both on HKG-IST and both times the load was 90+ %.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:55 am

777 is a very good plane but u need to fill it. In my opinion comfort class kills the revenue. Because it is new and not well known can not be filled properly. 777 may burn more fuel than 330 but it has more pax cargo and range capability, negative commenters forget about these facts
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:09 am

Quoting TK388 (Reply 24):

I can tell you about the financial losses part in a very simple terms . Imagine , you have a debt that is valued at dollar (or euro does not matter) , but your accounting is in TL .Assume that when you borrowed exchange rate was 1.6 TL = a dollar . Therefore, if dollar goes down to say 1.4 your debt becomes smaller in TL terms (which you report) thus you are in profit . However , if TL depreciates to say 1.8 TL per dollar , then your debt in TL terms goes up eventhougt your debts stays the same in dollar amount. I think in this quarter TK used exchange rate near to 1.8 TL = 1 dollar .. So if this rate stays the same or goes down TK should not write foreign exchange losses in last quarter but if it goes to say 2 then loss gets bigger . But remember this is not something special to TK . All the banks are in same situation ... They syndicated loans when exchage rate was low but valued at higher exchange rate tin this quarter.. Just for your info , your FX profit is also taxed  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:43 am

Umit, the TK loss due to FX change is the biggest crap I've heard in my life. A company like TK does not lose money when FX rates go up, in fact they MAKE money when TL depreciates. Why? Because you get money in USD (or EURO) but majority of your expenses are in TL.

The loss, as reported, is not due to the depreciation of TL, it is due to normal operations.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:03 am

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 27):

Their operational loss details is for someone else to make comment , may be LAXINTL. ? TK's income (partly) is in dollar but they must have big liabilities in their balance sheet that is planes bought by loans ... Just make a small calculation , they bought 12 B77 multiple their price (say 250 million ) ,it is 3 billion dollar liability so every one percent increase on dollar makes you lose usd 30 million (or vice versa ) . And I think they have more liabilities than 3 billion ...(by the way I have not looked in to TK balance sheet , I am just trying to explain how FX loses are created)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:29 am

Quoting umit (Reply 28):
they bought 12 B77 multiple their price (say 250 million ) ,it is 3 billion dollar liability

I dont think so mate, most of those planes must be leases, I dont think TK owns those new planes. So, no liability except for the lease cost..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:31 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 29):

But these should be long term leases which TK can not get out whenever they want or do they ? I wonder if they ever hedged their liabilities at least partialy ...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:09 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 27):
The loss, as reported, is not due to the depreciation of TL, it is due to normal operations.

opinions and facts....

read:

http://wwwdownload.thy.com/download/...r/SPK_Mali_Tablolar_30_06_2011.pdf

[Edited 2011-09-05 09:11:23]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:20 pm

As pointed out in the report by CAPA (see reply 6),

''But the major cost blowout for THY in the first half was its financial expenses. THY incurred a massive EUR267.9 million in financial expenses for the first half, compared with 1H2010’s EUR35.3 million. The sharp change was driven chiefly by foreign exchange losses as a result of higher aircraft leasing costs. Turkish’s fleet of 174 aircraft is 88% leased, according to THY. Fifty-one percent of aircraft are on financial lease and 31% on operating lease. Only 12% of aircraft are owned. The Turkish lira has depreciated sharply against both the US dollar and euro this year. Forty-three percent of THY’s expenses are in dollars, and 11% in euros. In the second quarter alone, the lira fell 5% against the dollar and 7.6% against the euro. The weaker lira makes US-dollar denominated expenses, most notably fuel and aircraft leases, more expensive.''

As I told before, it's a good read.

[Edited 2011-09-05 09:21:36]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting ISTGRU (Reply 18):
Not at all. Israel is a big market for TK

Hope so... thanks a lot...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:43 pm

Regarding the TK 6-month loss.

Here are some simple explanations.

Revenues = EUR 2.235Bil +20%
Expenses = EUR 2.370Bil +32%

What big expense outpace revenues.

Fuel +54% - (paid extra €271mil)
Handling +41%
Depreciation +38%
Maintenance +38% (work required on new planes arriving, and old planes departing)

For currencies, yes while income is diversified but the bulk of its cost is in EUR/USD.
More specifically 61% of THY expenses were in foreign (54% EUR/USD), which caused as €269 exchange rate and investment losses.

Otherwise some of the performance metrics for THY look great – its CASK continues to decline €6.32cents – one of the lowest in Europe, its carries one the highest number of passengers per employee.

I also believe one thing to note is very important -- 2011 is a crazy year for THY, and 2012 should be much calmer.

2011 will see a staggering 19 new aircraft join the fleet, with capacity jumping 17.2% year over year. Absorbing so many new planes not only creates a financial burden on paying for them, but surely strains the entire organization from finding enough crews, to ground handling, to sales and marketing having to sell so many new seats/routes (especially many expensive long-haul ones).
According to THY plans, 2012 should be much calmer, with only 5.8% projected capacity growth with the bulk of the new aircraft arriving being narrow-bodies.


So while the first half 2011 loss is regrettable, (and maybe even avoidable to some degree with better planning), what happened has happened.

Hopefully the management has seen how things can very quickly turn 180 degrees, and adopts a more prudent and carefully structured plan going forward, especially in light of the global economic malaise.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:59 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 31):
http://wwwdownload.thy.com/download/...r/SPK_Mali_Tablolar_30_06_2011.pdf

tcm, if you had bothered to read the link yourself, you'd see that there is a huge operating loss apart from financial burden. Look at the income statement of the airline itself (extract THY teknik), the operating loss is even bigger - THY tekniks operating profit makes the consolidated loss less.

What I am trying to say guys, is that, I read the reports when it was first published, but I dont BELIEVE it.

In the income statement in your link, if you look at the tables, you'll notice that there is no breakdown of the financial loss (or gain part). Now in finance, there is no rule of thumb which item goes under which section in the income statement (thus it is very easy to make a loss making company look profit making). You dont know what is under financial burden section. Generally, all interest (gained or lost), fx burdens (gain or loss), income or expense for rent or leases (but I dont think aircraft leases would go here as it must be considered as a direct cost for TK). but the fact is that: you dont know and will never know.

I will reiterate what I said before: If your costs (or majority that of) are in the same or weaker currency than your income (majority) you will NOT lose money on finance. No matter what. Econ 101. TK is an exporter for Turkey with majority of the income in USD (or EURO) and most of its cost in USD but a considerable part is TL.

Lets not be naive here, we are talking about a company whose share price has been consistently falling down in the last 4+ quarters and plunging and you think they would tell the public that they are losing money due to operations? Oh boy, I think Kotil loves his job more than making such a stupid mistake  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:46 am

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 35):
Lets not be naive here, we are talking about a company whose share price has been consistently falling down in the last 4+ quarters and plunging and you think they would tell the public that they are losing money due to operations? Oh boy, I think Kotil loves his job more than making such a stupid mistake  

TK is not the only company with a falling share price. I suggest you re-read LAXintl's post which summarizes the situation in a nutshell. Let's see what happens with the full years results. Hasty assumptions can mislead us.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 35):
we are talking about a company whose share price has been consistently falling down in the last 4 quarters and plunging

Have you looked at how the rest of the industry is doing around Turkey?

This is the 1-year change in stock price:

Aegean -27%
Aeroflot -18%
Aer Lingus -31%
Air Berlin -27%
Air France/KLM -46%
Brussels -29%
El Al -36%
Finnair -40%
Jordanian -46%
Lufthansa -15%
EasyJet -17%
IAG (British/Iberia) -30%
Ryanair -17%
SAS -49%
THY -40%

Source: Bloomberg


Even IATA ackonwleged things are bad. From today's news:

Airline earnings fell 60 percent industry-wide in the second quarter compared with a year earlier, IATA said today. The trade body said while carriers generate most revenue in the July-September period, “conditions are now deteriorating.”
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:09 pm

Some numbers between Istanbul and Belgrade for August 2011:

Turkish Airlines' passenger numbers dropped bu 9,6% year on year from 6,854 to 6,201.

Jat's numbers rose by 49% from 1,992 to 2,986.

Total passenger numbers in 2010:
8.864
Turkish: 77.3%
Jat: 22.3%

Total passenger numbers in 2011:
9.187
Turkish: 69.9%
Jat: 30.1%
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:51 am

Agreement signed with Venezuela for CCS-IST flights:

http://en.trend.az/regions/met/turkey/1928355.html
http://www.avn.info.ve/node/76151

More reports on IAH-IST becoming reality in the next 12-18 months:

http://news.cheapflights.com/2011/09...n-hobby%E2%80%99s-hoppin%E2%80%99/

With which aircraft though?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:59 am

TK to resume services to Lybia this month. Probably the first non-Lybian airline to do so.

BEN to be served 4 weekly.

Link to details: http://airlineroute.net/2011/09/08/tk-ben-sep11/

Also, according to AirportHaber Tripoli to be resumed later this month with a 4 weekly service as well.

Link: http://www.airporthaber.com/kimsenin...pamadigini-thy-yapacak-34832h.html (Turkish)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:27 pm

DL is again flying with 767s instead of A330 to IST. (It has been so long may be but I just saw today)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:58 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 41):

Oh yeah, big bummer.
When I bought my ticket it was showing a 332, after a few weeks they changed my seats since they changed it back to a 763ER.
I will be on that next week. Oh well, I was really looking forward to a DL Airbus.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:23 pm

Hi guys,

I had a question to our THY pilots and TGS employees (if any) regarding the turnaround process at airports. For our current project, we need to investigate and compare the different kinds of turnaround processes (TAP), like short and long haul and full service and low cost carriers. I'm responsible for the short haul, full service carrier TAP and have want to research the TAP of Turkish Airlines on AMS- IST flights. However, because is isn't easy to get permission to get access so close to the aircraft, I wanted to ask if they can help me with this subject.

What are the pilots responsibilities/tasks during the turnaround process? On which points does the pilots 'check' the around at these moments? Hydraulics, tire pressure, visible damage? or are these responsibilities of the ground crew?
What about the fueling process? How is this managed? And what are the main differences between TAP on short and long haul flights at Turkish Airlines?

Thank you in advance  
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:05 pm

Sitting at DLM, waiting for my Pegasus flight, enjoying the 20TL single scotch on the rocks!! Ouch!
Whatever happened to "Bye Bye Dalaman"??
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:28 am

Pegasus flight was great. The usual LCC rules apply, and mind you 10 day advance ticket was not cheap. One way DLM-SAW was close to 200TL including everything. Great service on board, 2 year old "Merve" was in great shape. 170 pax on board out of 189 capacity. On that saturday Pegasus had 4 flights to SAW from DLM.
And flying out of DLM for so many years, it was nice to see Transavia taking off in front of us and a EasyJet right behind us. It used to be no traffic in the past, that night felt like a real working airport.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:09 pm

How are TK loads between IST and ORD? They had a $505 USD roundtrip with taxes sale a few months ago for flights between Nov-Apr, I had to jump on that. If they are pricing like that, they can't be that great.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:01 pm

I was flying the Turkish airlines flight from Dalaman to İstanbul last night.Pegasus parked next to me.The airplane was JPC, not the most brand new A320 but still less than 5 years old and one of my personal favorites with JPH.Talking about the great service we had "paper wrapped sea bass " on board with additional cold tray with chicken and another smoked fish and choice of cheese and home made apple pie as desert.  
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:07 pm

Here you are latest stories from Kokpit Aviation TV Program which broadcast on 11 September 2011:
- Plastic aircraft 787 meeting with passenger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKK-iyu7VyM

- TAV openned modern gate of Balkans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8k--9BVpxM

- Fly motoglider with 40 TL/hour cost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGCL6mFz7fE

- How to board an aircraft fast?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW3lLcAAxVE

And plus, THY became first carrier to use Skopje's new terminal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qemLpAXH8iA&feature=related

All best,
Tolga
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2011

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:12 am

Quoting wing (Reply 47):
we had "paper wrapped sea bass " on board with additional cold tray with chicken and another smoked fish and choice of cheese and home made apple pie as desert

Oh my!!!!
On Pegasus all I had was Scotch, that I paid for on board.

Off to JFK today on DL73, full again.
As usual I brought my own Gouda, Su boregi, and grapes, and some nuts and sweets just in case!
Good thing I still have 6 free drink coupons. I know it is NOT TK.
I might switch to TK soon.

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