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DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:51 pm

For a while we had the beautiful DL 744s doing the flights to HNL & NRT. Is there any chance to see these beauties back in ATL or is it just (DL) 777s and A330s for us? I would love to see them back but I'm guessing with the cabin upgrades coming up it's unlikely.

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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:14 pm

Quoting AV8AJET (Thread starter):
For a while we had the beautiful DL 744's doing the flights to HNL & NRT. Is there any chance to see these beauties back in ATL or is it just (DL) 777's and A330's for us? I would love to see them back but I'm guessing with the cabin upgrades coming up it's unlikely.

Well this is just a guess, but if the 744 eventually replaces the 77L on the LAX-SYD run as has been rumored for awhile, then it is possible that the 744 would also replace the 77L on the LAX-ATL run, then again they could always rotate the 744s at NRT instead of the ATL. Anyway, when the mods are completed and all the 744s are back in service it is extremely likely that it shows up in ATL (just from a sheer numbers game everything is more likely than not to rotate through ATL at some point being the largest and most diverse operation)
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:20 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 1):
Well this is just a guess, but if the 744 eventually replaces the 77L on the LAX-SYD run as has been rumored for awhile, then it is possible that the 744 would also replace the 77L on the LAX-ATL run, then again they could always rotate the 744s at NRT instead of the ATL. Anyway, when the mods are completed and all the 744s are back in service it is extremely likely that it shows up in ATL (just from a sheer numbers game everything is more likely than not to rotate through ATL at some point being the largest and most diverse operation)

Has there been a date given when they plan to roll out the first converted 744? I look forward to riding on it even though they plan to reduce the Business Elite cabin down to 40-something seats.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:11 am

What is the new international terminal (Concourse F) going to be used for? I'd expect to see some 747s there when it opens next spring.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:42 am

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 3):
What is the new international terminal (Concourse F) going to be used for? I'd expect to see some 747s there when it opens next spring.

Word on the street is the non-Delta international carriers are going to move, and Delta will occupy the remainder of the F gates, and all of Concourse E. So, expect to basically see what is already parked at E.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:32 am

On the same lines, do people think the 744s will be back for the MSP-NRT route after they are replaced by 773s later this month/early next month? Also, will other routes throughout the system that had the 744s regularly for the last decade+ get them back too once they are upgraded?

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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:44 am

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 1):
Well this is just a guess, but if the 744 eventually replaces the 77L on the LAX-SYD run as has been rumored for awhile, then it is possible that the 744 would also replace the 77L on the LAX-ATL run, then again they could always rotate the 744s at NRT instead of the ATL.

The 77L runs that route because of maintenance and positioning. It doesn't really have to do with much more than that since they at one point had the 77L running from DTW-LAX-SYD, so if it was a 744 it would likely run if at all DTW-LAX, but since the 744 does NRT-LAX it would likely run off of that rather than DTW-LAX and especially ATL-LAX on the 744.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 4):
Word on the street is the non-Delta international carriers are going to move, and Delta will occupy the remainder of the F gates, and all of Concourse E. So, expect to basically see what is already parked at E.

Half of the gates we have leased at the new terminal.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:12 am

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 3):
What is the new international terminal (Concourse F) going to be used for? I'd expect to see some 747s there when it opens next spring.

IIRC BA & LH will move to F, but will KE, KL, & AF go to F not sure?
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:49 am

When do the 744s start going in for mods? There definitely seems to be a lot of slack in the November schedule. As far as I can tell, the only 744 routes this winter will be DTW-NRT, DTW-NGO-MNL, JFK-NRT, JFK-TLV, NRT-MNL, and NRT-HNL.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:12 am

Quoting mplsjefe (Reply 5):
On the same lines, do people think the 744s will be back for the MSP-NRT route after they are replaced by 773s later this month/early next month?

Did I miss something? When did DL order 773's?
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:22 am

sorry, i meant to say 772s (non-LR).
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:58 am

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 1):

Well this is just a guess, but if the 744 eventually replaces the 77L on the LAX-SYD run as has been rumored for awhile

FWIW, if this happens I'd be a tad surprised unless its to free up the 77L for another route (such as ATL-SYD). Currently, the 77L carries a fair amount of freight across the Pacific (according to a.net), and a 744 would not be able to do that any more.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:33 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 11):
FWIW, if this happens I'd be a tad surprised unless its to free up the 77L for another route (such as ATL-SYD). Currently, the 77L carries a fair amount of freight across the Pacific (according to a.net), and a 744 would not be able to do that any more.

   . Add to that, how costly the 744s are on fuel and the jump in capacity the 744 would bring to the LAX-SYD market when you're going up against QF A388/744, UA 744, VA 77W. The 77L is a great a/c for this route over the 744.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:58 am

You're going to be seeing the 744 back in ATL flying military charters starting in October. It will be flying to KWI and HHN
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:21 pm

We're doing a parking test/gate fitting on T Concourse Monday night. I'd say the assumption that it will be back in ATL and on some sort of domestic turn is accurate.

Four gates on T were reconfigured to accomodate the aircraft in two of those gates some 6-8 months ago. We've been parking A330s and 777s there since. This will be the first time a 747 has been physically parked in the space.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:30 pm

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 14):

Didn't the engineers already put a nose line down already but one just wasn't parked there yet? I guess ill take a look see today  
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:41 pm

Okay. T2 and T3 are marked for 744s.

Now to the subject; I do think that we will see The Queen back in Atlanta at some point.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:07 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
Now to the subject; I do think that we will see The Queen back in Atlanta at some point.

Read my post.   She's back in October for Mil charters.

Specifically on the 28th and 29th of October it will be operating LAX-ATL to position the ships into ATL. After that it will be bouncing ATL-KWI-HHN and return.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:53 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Didn't the engineers already put a nose line down already but one just wasn't parked there yet? I guess ill take a look see today

Exactly - we found out AFTER they put the nose stripe down that, due to the chiller location at T3, we had to rearrange the equipment setup because the forward cargo door on the A330 is SO far forward.

We're going to put the 747 in both gates, T2 & T3, and see how we need to adjust the gate setups for servicing the aircraft.

The chillers located at T3 really make that gate a bad choice for any Cat V aircraft.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:32 am

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 18):

3 is a very funny gate. I've seen an A330 pull in there and the nose is just about on the concourse wall LOL. It's pretty close.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:17 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 17):

Specifically on the 28th and 29th of October it will be operating LAX-ATL to position the ships into ATL. After that it will be bouncing ATL-KWI-HHN and return.

Doing revenue trips? Might have to book a mileage run to get on a 747...
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:56 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 20):
Doing revenue trips? Might have to book a mileage run to get on a 747...

Yep.... they are normal flight numbers!

Looks like those are the resequencing of the 744's off of HND or NRT into the MAC sequence.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:05 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 17):
Specifically on the 28th and 29th of October

I see it on Oct 29, but not the 28th - operating as DL101 - 1110 dptr/1810 arrvl.

On a separate note, ship 6304 is coming in tomorrow, Monday/12, as DL105 from DTW - 1715 dptr/1925 arrvl.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:08 am

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 22):
I see it on Oct 29, but not the 28th - operating as DL101 - 1110 dptr/1810 arrvl.

On a separate note, ship 6304 is coming in tomorrow, Monday/12, as DL105 from DTW - 1715 dptr/1925 arrvl.

Correct... I thought I saw the 28th as well in the 744 bid pack, but it is the 29th only for the resequencing.

ATL-KWI-HHN-ATL is the routing for the MAC charter.

Great to see her coming through ATL tomorrow as well! Anderson stated that ATL could continuously fill a whale in a check pilot meeting a while back, but we have unfortunately seen a retreat of them with the capacity timidness of DL as of late.

Here's to that changing.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:11 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 23):
Here's to that changing.

I second that!

And 6304 is going back to DTW Tuesday morning as DL1640, 0940 dptr.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:47 pm

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 14):
We're doing a parking test/gate fitting on T Concourse Monday night. I'd say the assumption that it will be back in ATL and on some sort of domestic turn is accurate.

Hint: what else is Concourse T used for?
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:41 pm

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 23):
Great to see her coming through ATL tomorrow as well! Anderson stated that ATL could continuously fill a whale in a check pilot meeting a while back, but we have unfortunately seen a retreat of them with the capacity timidness of DL as of late.

Here's to that changing.

While I agree that seeing the 744 in ATL is cool, filling one is not necessarily synonymous with flying it profitably. Aggressive capacity adds are the worst possible idea in the current economic climate. Even in good times, a 744 only makes sense in maybe one or two markets from ATL.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:54 pm

How is DL's 744 dispatch reliability? UA has been struggling a bit with theirs. I wonder if overseas maintenance checks are part of the problem.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:03 am

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 22):
On a separate note, ship 6304 is coming in tomorrow, Monday/12, as DL105 from DTW - 1715 dptr/1925 arrvl.



Ok, had to check this thread once I got home, was visiting someone south of ATL today and coming home headed east on I-285, already past the airport, and saw what I thought was a DL747 threw the trees on final approach, I looked as much as I could while driving and was sure I saw what I saw. I remembered this thread and was hoping for an answer. Guess I now have one.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:13 am

Over on another forum it was mentioned that the cabin refurbishment program for the 747's has been cancelled due to Delta deciding to retire the -400's earlier that originally anticipated. Can anybody either or confirm or deny said rumor?
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:10 am

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 29):
Over on another forum it was mentioned that the cabin refurbishment program for the 747's has been cancelled due to Delta deciding to retire the -400's earlier that originally anticipated. Can anybody either or confirm or deny said rumor?

I couldn't find anything on the Delta.net saying that it was canceled. There is an article about the MSP-NRT flight going from a 744 to a 777.....

"The flight is operated now with Boeing 747 aircraft. Those aircraft will be modified by next year to include the same features as the 777."

Date of the article is 7/21/11.

I would think there would be an announcement when the first ship goes in for mods tho...
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:13 am

I don't believe it has been cancelled yet. Another factor is that many of the components have longer lead times where DL may not necessarily be able to cancel without penalty. The seats take several months to get made before installation.

Anyone know why N669US has been in PEK for the 2+ weeks?

[Edited 2011-09-12 20:15:08]
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:35 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 31):
cancel without penalty. The seats take several months to get made before installation.

There was an article in ATW last week about seat manufactures barely being able to keep up with demand today and becoming a bigger problem with the record A320neo orders. That said, cancellation penalties would seem to be a factor.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:10 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 31):

Anyone know why N669US has been in PEK for the 2+ weeks?

Is this the one that's begun induction work on the interior mods? There is suppose to be the first 744 in mods now.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 14):
We're doing a parking test/gate fitting on T Concourse Monday night. I'd say the assumption that it will be back in ATL and on some sort of domestic turn is accurate.

...
Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 25):
Hint: what else is Concourse T used for?


It's used for international departures also...

[Edited 2011-09-14 06:26:11]
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:45 pm

Quoting LoveTheSkies (Reply 34):
It's used for international departures also...

We already know that the 744 is an INTERNATIONAL aircraft. The fact that its primary mission out of ATL will be international is obvious. However, considering current routing a domestic turn would almost certainly be included for the 744 to rotate the aircraft. Also, the benefit of the T gates is that it allows a domestic flight to turn into an international, for planes turning international to international they would simply stay at E/F (unless there is huge ground time and lack of gate space).
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:09 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 35):
We already know that the 744 is an INTERNATIONAL aircraft.


... as do I ...

I was refering to
simairlinenet's: "Hint: what else is Concourse T used for?" (reply 25)
in response to DLATLOpsSup (reply 14) mentioning that the aircraft would probably make a domestic turn out of T.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 31):
Anyone know why N669US has been in PEK for the 2+ weeks?
Quoting n7371f (Reply 33):
Is this the one that's begun induction work on the interior mods? There is suppose to be the first 744 in mods now.

FlightAware has it landing at MSP any minute now, so it's apparently back in action. It was idle for over 3 weeks, so maybe that's enough time to get the new interior.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:50 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 37):
FlightAware has it landing at MSP any minute now, so it's apparently back in action. It was idle for over 3 weeks, so maybe that's enough time to get the new interior.

No way it was for mod work then. First of all DL would be making a big splash about it, secondly for the first one it would probably take much longer than just 3 weeks. Lastly, I doubt it would return to revenue service so quickly.

Sounds more like a routine maintenance check.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:09 pm

If any of you are considering a mileage run via ATL, with an overnight in LAX, DL201 on Friday, October 28 is operated by a 777ER at 0835 arriving 1020.........and back on DL101 on 10/29.
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:11 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 29):
Over on another forum it was mentioned that the cabin refurbishment program for the 747's has been cancelled due to Delta deciding to retire the -400's earlier that originally anticipated

As of yesterday's Deutsche Bank conference, the presentation as well as Ed Bastian's comments continue to indicate the completion of flat-bed installations on all widebody international aircraft by 2013. So unless Delta plans to retire the 747s by 2013, I doubt the mod has been cancelled.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:56 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 38):
No way it was for mod work then. First of all DL would be making a big splash about it, secondly for the first one it would probably take much longer than just 3 weeks. Lastly, I doubt it would return to revenue service so quickly.

Sounds more like a routine maintenance check.

Looks like N670US (ship 6310) is now in PEK for an extended stay as well.....it flew MSP-NRT on 9/11, then NRT-PEK on 9/12. The 9/13 PEK-NRT was a regular 763ER, and today (9/14)'s PEK-NRT was a 744 (ship 6309 - N669US) so it looks like 6310 is now in PEK for some work or checks (one can only hope it's in for the mods).

BTW, where are the 744 flat-bed mods supposed to be done? The 777s were done in TPE, and the 764s were done in HKG, and I thought I heard that some mod work was also supposed to be done in PEK?
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:09 am

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 35):
We already know that the 744 is an INTERNATIONAL aircraft. The fact that its primary mission out of ATL will be international is obvious. However, considering current routing a domestic turn would almost certainly be included for the 744 to rotate the aircraft. Also, the benefit of the T gates is that it allows a domestic flight to turn into an international, for planes turning international to international they would simply stay at E/F (unless there is huge ground time and lack of gate space).

You can safely rule out any sort of turn off the T concourse. On Monday night, we ruled out the idea of a 747 ever taxiing in to one of those gates under its own power. These charters in Oct/Nov, and any other departures for that matter, will all be re-positioned via SuperTug from E concourse.

I seriously doubt we would ever see an international departure off T aboard a 747. The above wing gate space is already lacking for a full A330 headed to Africa. And the opening of F next Spring pretty much rules it out all together.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:29 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 4):
Word on the street is the non-Delta international carriers are going to move, and Delta will occupy the remainder of the F gates, and all of Concourse E. So, expect to basically see what is already parked at E.

does Skyteam stay at E or F? Outside of the Skyteam Alliance carriers, what is left for international at ATL? DLH and BAW.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 8):
When do the 744s start going in for mods? There definitely seems to be a lot of slack in the November schedule. As far as I can tell, the only 744 routes this winter will be DTW-NRT, DTW-NGO-MNL, JFK-NRT, JFK-TLV, NRT-MNL, and NRT-HNL.

Have they started the DTW-HND route yet? Isn't that with a 744?
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:07 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 43):
does Skyteam stay at E or F?

Delta will maintain operations at E, the rest of the carriers as well as Delta will move to F. The way I understand it the entire E operation will move to F which will be the new international terminal, E will basically become just another terminal for Delta (i.e. T, A, B, etc) albeit one more suited for widebody operations.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 43):
Outside of the Skyteam Alliance carriers, what is left for international at ATL?

I believe its just Lufthansa, British Airways, and Air Canada. Seems like there might be one more but I can't think of any other right now.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 43):

Have they started the DTW-HND route yet?

Started, downguaged to 777, and currently suspended until next summer.
 
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RE: DL 744s Back To Atlanta?

Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:17 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 43):
Have they started the DTW-HND route yet? Isn't that with a 744?

DTW-HND started last Feb with the 744, then was suspended after the Earthquake. It restarted with 777 and ran through a portion of the summer and is now suspended again until June 2012.

LAX-HND is operating currently with a 77L and transitions to a 332 in November.


The first 744 is supposedly going into mod in November. With all of the seasonal reductions and overall pull-down of capacity in Q4, aircraft will be shuffling around the system.

The DTW-PVG route goes back to all 777 in November, and MSP-NRT switches to a 777 as well.

One 744 is going to allocated to doing the military charters out of ATL, and the other is going to be in mod work.
With the military charters out of ATL, expect to see the occasional DTW-ATL / ATL-DTW flight substituted with a 744 to rotate tail numbers through the fleet.

There are a number of one-time substitutions around the end of October to move aircraft across the network.
Example.
744 rotation: 10/28 MSP-NRT (last day of 744 service), 10/29 NRT-LAX (to swap the 777 going to MSP), 10/29 LAX-ATL (to position the 744 in ATL for military charter)
777 rotation: 10/28 LAX-NRT (last day of 777 service), 10/29 NRT-MSP (replacing the 744 for the winter)

Starting 10/30 and ongoing there will be a daily ATL-LAX A330-200 flight, to rotate aircraft into LAX to cover the LAX-NRT, LAX-HND routes.

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