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BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:58 pm

BA has published details of its LGW long haul operation for the Summer 2012 season. Contrary to a lot of predictions/rumours there are no new long haul routes and no extra 777s for LGW.

With at least 1 747 being stood up, 2 new 777-300s being delivered and increased 777 capacity from dropping LHR-BKK-SYD, the extra capacity must be being deployed at LHR.

Details of the LGW changes are below:

Quote:
The Gatwick longhaul fleet will remain as nine 777-200s with the total number of Gatwick longhaul departures per week increasing from 56 in Summer 2011 to 57 in Summer 2012.

From April 2012 we are increasing Orlando services to ten per week to strengthen our Florida schedule during the summer months.

Our flights to Jamaica have been reviewed and we are increasing Kingston services to a three-per-week schedule, while suspending the Montego Bay service from March 25 2012.

We are consolidating our other Caribbean flying in the summer season and changes to these flights are detailed below.

Increase Antigua from six to seven per week

Reduce Barbados from ten to seven per week

Reduce San Juan from two to one per week

Move the St Kitts service from Wednesdays to Tuesdays as in previous seasons

Move the Tobago flights from a Wednesday and Saturday service to a once weekly Friday service via Antigua

Port of Spain will be served six days a week, via St Lucia

Grenada will continue to operate twice-weekly, but will now operate one weekly service via St Lucia on Sundays, and one weekly service via Antigua on Tuesdays
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:25 pm

I don't think this is final. Nothing exciting about it. Are there any news related to shorthaul?
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:26 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
I don't think this is final. Nothing exciting about it. Are there any news related to short haul?

The item seems clear that LGW will not be getting any additional aircraft and no new aircraft = no new routes.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 2):
The item seems clear that LGW will not be getting any additional aircraft and no new aircraft = no new routes.

It's not a new route for BA, but MRU is moving from LHR to LGW
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:16 pm

So BA are dropping MBJ whereas VS are dropping KIN.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:12 pm

Skipness, you beat me to it. One hell of a coincidence, isn't it.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:45 pm

Well this is interesting. We see that Caribbean flights are taking a hit to an extent while Florida is increasing. In part this may have to do with the rise in Air Passenger Duty in the last year. The USA is in a lower bracket than the Caribbean Islands and so the increase in the tax is less for flights to MCO.

MBJ is being dropped again after only 2 years or so back - unfortunately the yields on it are not so great, it would seem. BA has also had to compete with VS, TCX and TOM (though TCX are also pulling out) to MBJ so perhaps this was too much competition too. It makes sense then to consolidate at KIN where it serves the local market and will for the moment be alone in doing so as VS withdraws.

BGI being cut from 10 to 7 weekly for the summer seems reasonable given that the market there is more winter driven. Maybe extra services would be added for the winter. ANU and UVF are holding their own as they are both weekly (ANU becoming so in the new schedule). POS being cut to 6 weekly is perhaps not a major reduction given the overall reorganisation of flights to route one of the UVF services to GND instead. TAB down to one weekly is very significant - not only does it lose its only remaining service to BGI but it's once weekly schedule is the lowest since BA started the route back in 1998 (it was once-weekly then too). The well-documented decline of TAB's tourist industry is the reason for this. As for SJU, again I think the APD is the issue as many passengers headed there connect to cruises and as it has a higher tax bracket than the US, MIA is more appealing.

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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:34 pm

To give you a idea of what is changing and how I have posted below a list of Longhaul destinations served from LGW along with S11 and S12 operational info.

ALL info posted below was retrieved on 17th September 2011 using the flight timetable on BA.COM


Antigua

S11 - Flights operate 6 x Weekly using a 3 Class 777

S12 - Will increase to Daily. All flights will continue to operate on a 3 Class 777

Barbados

S11 - Flights operate 11 x weekly. Flights are operated 9 x Weekly by a 4 class & 2 x Weekly by a 3 class 777

S12 - Flights will reduce to 7 x Weekly. All flights will be operated by a 4 Class 777.

Bermuda

S11 - Flights operate 6 x Weekly on a 4 Class 777. Flights do no operate Day 4

S12 - Flights will increase to Daily and continue to op on a 4 Class 777

Cancun

S11 - Flights operate 3 x Weekly on a 3 Class 777. Flights operate Days 3,4 & 6

S12 - Only change to S11 is that Day 3 flight replaced with a flight on Day 2

Grenada

S11 - Flights operate 2 x Weekly (Days 2 & 7) via BGI on a 4 Class 777

S12 - Remains 2 x Weekly. Flights will operate on a 3 class 777 Weekly (Day 3) via ANU and Weekly (Day 7) via UVF

Kingston

S11 - Operates 2 x Weekly, on Days 1 & 5 both flights operate on a 3 Class 777

S12 - Flights will increase to 3 x Weekly with all flights operated by a 3 Class 777. S11 Day 1 flight continues to operate. S11 Day 5 flight will now operate on Day 4 with the extra service operating on Day 3

Maldives

S11 - Flights operate 3 x Weekly on a 3 Class 777. Flights operate on Days 2, 5 & 7

S12 - NO change to frequency or a/c. Days of op will change slightly to Days 3, 5 & 7

Mauritius

S11 - Route operated ex LHR 3 x Weekly on a 3 Class 777 Flights operate Days 3, 5 & 7

S12 - NO increase in frequency or a/c type compared to S11. Days of op will change slightly to 1, 4 & 6

Montego Bay

S11 - Flights operate 2 x Weekly on a 3 Class 777. Flights operate Days 3 & 7

S12 - ROUTE SUSPENDED

Orlando

S11 - Flights operate Daily on a 3 Class 777

S12 - Flights will increase to 10 x Weekly all operated on 3 Class 777. 2 x Daily service ops Days 3, 6 & 7 only. On Days 1, 2, 4 & 5 flights will operate Daily

Punta Cana

S11 - Flights operate 2 x Weekly, Days 4 & 7 via ANU on a 3 Class 777

S12 - NO Change to schedule used S11

Port of Spain

S11 - Flights operate Daily via UVF. Operated by 5 x Weekly 4 Class & 2 x Weekly 3 Class 777

S12 - Will drop from 7 to 6 x Weekly via UVF. Operated by 4 x Weekly 3 Class and 2 x Weekly 4 Class 777

San Juan

S11 - Flights operate 2 x Weekly on Days 1 & 5 on a 3 Class 777 via ANU

S12 - Frequency reduced to 1 x Weekly via ANU on Day 1. on a 3 Class 777

St Kitts

S11 - Flights operate 2 x Weekly on Days 4 & 6 on a 3 Class 777 via ANU

S12 - No Change to Schedule remains as S11

St Lucia

S11 - Flights operate Daily. Operating 5 x Weekly on a 4 Class and 2 x Weekly on a 3 Class 777

S12 - Frequency same as S11 with a reduction in weekly F, J & WTP capacity and a increase in WT capacity compared to S11. To operate 5 x Weekly on a 3 Class and 2 x Weekly on a 4 Class 777

Tampa

S11 - Flights operate Daily on a 3 Class 777

S12 - Will remain Daily on a 3 Class 777

Tobago

S11 - Flights operate 2 x Weekly via BGI on a 3 class 777. Flights operate on Days 4 & 6

S12 - Frequency will reduce to 1 x Weekly. Flights will be routed via ANU on a 3 Class 777. Flight will operate on Day 5


INFO IS SUBJECT TO AND HIGHLY LIKELY TO CHANGE OVER THE COMING MONTHS
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:42 pm

I'm surprised that CUN has not been increased in frequency as the route has been doing well and it would give BA a frequency advantage over VS.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:56 pm

Hi there,

Does this mean British Airways will operate a daily flight to Antigua direct in the summer season, as well as other routes via Antigua on the same days?

Thank you.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:42 pm

During the S12 season BA will operate a total of 9 777 aircraft. The aircraft are configured in of 4 different configurations. There is 1 Four Class and 3 different 3 Class configurations that are planned to be operated from LGW S12. The LGW daily Longhaul departures and the planned aircraft configurations for S12. Aircraft Cabin Configuration are subject to further change and change at short notice due operational requirements. For those not fimiliar with the LGW fleet below are details of the 4 different configs

1 . 14F/48J/40W/124Y - During S11 three four class 777's were based at LGW. All three aircraft are expected to remain through S12. The aircraft based at LGW at present are G-VIIA, G-VIIB & G-VIIF. As well as operating four Class services these aircraft are also used to operate three Class routes. When this happens the First cabin id sold as Club World by doing this BA is able to offer a Club World cabin with a capacity max capacity of 62 pax

3 . 0F/62J/40W/124Y - The configuration when a four class aircraft is used on a three class route.

4 . 48J/24W/203Y - Configuration fitted to two 777's currently based at LGW. They are G-YMMB & G-YMMF

5 . 40J/24W/216Y - Configuration fitted to four LGW 777's there regs are G-VIIO, G-VIIP, G-VIIR & G-VIIT

Based on the planned S12 schedule BA will operate the following configurations on the days and routes below

MONDAY

14F/48J/40W/124Y

BA2155 LONDON GATWICK to BARBADOS
BA2233 LONDON GATWICK to BERMUDA

0F/62J/40W/124Y

BA2159 LONDON GATWICK to PORT OF SPAIN via ST LUCIA

48J/24W/203Y

BA2063 LONDON GATWICK to MAURITIUS

40J/24W/216Y

BA2037 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to SAN JUAN via ANTIGUA
BA2167 LONDON GATWICK to TAMPA
BA2263 LONDON GATWICK to KINGSTON

TUESDAY

14F/48J/40W/124Y

BA2155 LONDON GATWICK to BARBADOS
BA2233 LONDON GATWICK to BERMUDA

0F/62J/40W/124Y

BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to ST KITTS via ANTIGUA

48J/24W/203Y

BA2203 LONDON GATWICK to CANCUN

40J/24W/216Y

BA2037 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2159 LONDON GATWICK to PORT OF SPAIN via ST LUCIA
BA2167 LONDON GATWICK to TAMPA

WEDNESDAY

14F/48J/40W/124Y

BA2155 LONDON GATWICK to BARBADOS
BA2233 LONDON GATWICK to BERMUDA

0F/62J/40W/124Y

BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to GRENADA via ANTIGUA

48J/24W/203Y

BA2039 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2043 LONDON GATWICK to MALE

40J/24W/216Y

BA2037 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2159 LONDON GATWICK to PORT OF SPAIN via ST LUCIA
BA2167 LONDON GATWICK to TAMPA
BA2263 LONDON GATWICK to KINGSTON

THURSDAY

14F/48J/40W/124Y

BA2155 LONDON GATWICK to BARBADOS
BA2159 LONDON GATWICK to PORT OF SPAIN via ST LUCIA
BA2233 LONDON GATWICK to BERMUDA

48J/24W/203Y

BA2063 LONDON GATWICK to MAURITIUS
BA2203 LONDON GATWICK to CANCUN

40J/24W/216Y

BA2037 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to PUNTA CANA via ANTIGUA
BA2167 LONDON GATWICK to TAMPA
BA2263 LONDON GATWICK to KINGSTON

FRIDAY

14F/48J/40W/124Y

BA2155 LONDON GATWICK to BARBADOS
BA2159 LONDON GATWICK to PORT OF SPAIN via ST LUCIA
BA2233 LONDON GATWICK to BERMUDA

48J/24W/203Y

BA2043 LONDON GATWICK to MALE

40J/24W/216Y

BA2037 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to TOBAGO via ANTIGUA
BA2167 LONDON GATWICK to TAMPA

SATURDAY

14F/48J/40W/124Y

BA2155 LONDON GATWICK to BARBADOS
BA2233 LONDON GATWICK to BERMUDA


0F/62J/40W/124Y

BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to PORT OF SPAIN via ST LUCIA

48J/24W/203Y

BA2039 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2063 LONDON GATWICK to MAURITIUS

40J/24W/216Y

BA2037 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to ST KITTS via ANTIGUA
BA2167 LONDON GATWICK to TAMPA
BA2203 LONDON GATWICK to CANCUN

SUNDAY

14F/48J/40W/124Y

BA2155 LONDON GATWICK to BARBADOS
BA2233 LONDON GATWICK to BERMUDA


0F/62J/40W/124Y

BA2159 LONDON GATWICK to GRENADA via ST LUCIA

48J/24W/203Y

BA2043 LONDON GATWICK to MALE

40J/24W/216Y

BA2037 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2039 LONDON GATWICK to ORLANDO
BA2157 LONDON GATWICK to PUNTA CANA via ANTIGUA
BA2167 LONDON GATWICK to TAMPA
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:48 pm

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 9):
Does this mean British Airways will operate a daily flight to Antigua direct in the summer season, as well as other routes via Antigua on the same days?

BA will operate daily non stop flights to ANU in S12. The ANU flights will operate as follows:

MON - LGW-ANU-SJU-ANU-LGW
TUE - LGW-ANU-SKB-ANU-LGW
WED - LGW-ANU-GND-ANU-LGW
THU - LGW-ANU-PUJ-ANU-LGW
FRI - LGW-ANU-TAB-ANU-LGW
SAT - LGW-ANU-SKB-ANU-LGW
SUN - LGW-ANU-PUJ-ANU-LGW
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:58 pm

I'm surprised both Grenada flights are not operating via Antigua, with the sole Tobago flight operating via St Lucia. Would just seem more logical as no other tag ons in the Caribbean with BA operate via multiple ports any more.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 10):
During S11 three four class 777's were based at LGW. All three aircraft are expected to remain through S12. The aircraft based at LGW at present are G-VIIA, G-VIIB & G-VIIF. As well as operating four Class services these aircraft are also used to operate three Class routes.

Is there not a chance these aircraft could change when BA starts fitting its early 777s with the 77W interiors and IFE systems? I'd have thought BA would prefer to have all these aircraft at LHR, so there could be a chance some of the later build 4-class GE90 777s will end up at LGW, where they'd have the same IFE systems as the existing 3-class birds(G-VIIO, G-VIIP, G-VIIR and G-VIIT).
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:30 pm

Routes can be added at any time, so just because the 2012 summer schedule is out doesn't mean nothing new is going to LGW....
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:11 am

Quoting Jet72uk (Reply 13):

Routes can be added at any time, so just because the 2012 summer schedule is out doesn't mean nothing new is going to LGW....


But as the announcement stated that the 777 fleet size will remain at nine aircraft it kind of suggests no new long haul routes will be launched during that season
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:53 am

Just a little correction to list of the changes GSTBA provided. Bermuda already gets a daily flight.

[Edited 2011-10-02 04:58:41]
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:13 pm

Quoting BDABOY (Reply 15):
Just a little correction to list of the changes GSTBA provided. Bermuda already gets a daily flight.

  

It will drop to 5 x weekly for Winter 2011-12 with the Monday and Saturday flights temporarily suspended.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:27 pm

I notice that for Winter 2011-12 BA has renumbered all LGW shorthaul flights that remained in the old CityFlyer series (BA80xx/BA81xx) and has also cleared the BA23xx/BA24xx and BA28xx number series. They now have European flights in the BA25xx/BA26xx/BA27xx (including Jersey in the latter) and domestic flights in the BA29xx series.

I wonder if it will consolidate the flight number series used for the longhaul flights at some point for Summer 2012 over the Winter, as it seems strange that they spread them throughout the BA20xx/BA21xx/BA22xx flight number series still.

As a side note, I wonder if the LCY flights will take the vacated flight numbers in the BA2xxx series (BA23xx/BA24xx for European flights and BA28xx for domestic flights) to free up more BA8xxx numbers for codeshares.

With regards to adding new longhaul flights at LGW, one way this might happen would be if BA were to use some of those daily slot pairs they acquired from BD (6) and QF (2) to transfer the four-class flights (BGI/BDA) to LHR, and leave LGW with 9 three-class 777s.
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:02 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 17):
I wonder if it will consolidate the flight number series used for the longhaul flights at some point for Summer 2012 over the Winter, as it seems strange that they spread them throughout the BA20xx/BA21xx/BA22xx flight number series still.

BA try to keep the last three digits of their LHR and LGW flight numbers in the same series. Very often they have transferred flights from LGW to LHR or in the other direction and have been able to simply renumber the flight by adding a '2' in front of the earlier LHR number or taking off the first '2' of the previous LGW flight number.

However the finite number of numbers available sometimes results in duplication. So within BA's BA300 to BA379 group of flights all to and from France the three daily LHR-LYS flights are BA360, BA362 and BA364 while the three daily LGW-MRS flights are BA2362, BA2364 and BA2366.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:57 pm

BGI and BDA will not move to LHR.
 
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:26 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 18):
BA try to keep the last three digits of their LHR and LGW flight numbers in the same series. Very often they have transferred flights from LGW to LHR or in the other direction and have been able to simply renumber the flight by adding a '2' in front of the earlier LHR number or taking off the first '2' of the previous LGW flight number.

However the finite number of numbers available sometimes results in duplication. So within BA's BA300 to BA379 group of flights all to and from France the three daily LHR-LYS flights are BA360, BA362 and BA364 while the three daily LGW-MRS flights are BA2362, BA2364 and BA2366.

This has changed over the last few years though, and doesn't correspond for the longhaul flights anymore. The only flights that still retain the old three-digit number as part of the BA2xxx flight number are Bermuda (BA2232/2233) and Kingston (BA2262/2263). The Caribbean flights that used to be BA25x are now BA215x, Orlando that was BA236/37 is now BA2036/2037, etc.

The shorthaul flights have also pretty much lost correlation with LHR too, hence my post. MRS flights this Winter are now in the BA27xx series, along with BOD. AMS has gone from BA 80xx (ex-CityFlyer Express) to the BA27xx series too, rather than the BA24xx series that would match LHR (i.e. +2000 to the LHR flight number). Only the majority of the Italian flights (BA25xx) and GVA (BA27xx) still keep the old match to LHR flight number series.
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RE: BA LGW Summer 2012 Long Haul Schedule

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:09 am

Quoting Jet72uk (Reply 19):
BGI and BDA will not move to LHR.

  

Not sure where this sudden obsession with BA wanting to move these services to LHR has come from. They are in the process of expanding long haul from LGW, not retracting it again.

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