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HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:54 am

Now we know where the planes for SJCOGG and OAKOGG are coming from. Hawaiian has pulled Portland-Maui from GDS. Last flight is January 9.
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:06 am

That's too bad, but i'd venture to guess the Bay Area markets can be better for these Maui routes. Sheer population numbers alone.

Good route for AS now in their wheelhouse, probably not so much room for both of them.
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:35 am

A real shame loosing more widebody service.

I'm a loyal Alaska member and I'm sure that hurts HA as Alaska expands to Hawaii. A shame for spotters
 
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:35 am

Too bad for PDX. I loved the days of the Delta mini hub to Asia now its boring.
 
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:16 am

Lack of appropriate aircraft? HA 763s are competing against many 737/757 from other US carriers and I suspect this route was too marginal for an aircraft the size of the 763.
 
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:18 pm

I said all this same stuff in the latest OAG thread 2 days ago, check it out.
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:27 pm

A huge disappointment here in PDX, but almost every time I've tried to get on a packed PDX-HNL flight the agents lets me know that the OGG flight has plenty open if I want to try that. I'd been planning on taking them to OGG this Jan, I guess I'll be making a connection  
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:14 pm

kind of surprising. HA's monthly stats on Pdx website show they consistently carry 27'000 to 28000 pax per month which would be about 230 pax per flight which means 90+% load factor. I know the HNL flight may carry more but even if at 100%, seems like the Maui flight stll would have 80 to 85 % lf. Maybe yields are bad
 
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:04 pm

Fares are traditionally higher to OGG than HNL, not sure why. OGG has almost all the same mainland carriers as HNL. So unless it just costs more to do business at OGG, The yields should be better for carriers out of Maui anyway, meaning lower loads could still be profitable. I hate we lost this flight on HA. I'm glad AS does it, but even though AS & HA are my favorite airlines, I'd still want to take HA's 763 than AS's 738. I will now connect in HNL to fly HA.

I still think a HA & AS merger would make a pretty route map, even though its highly unlikely this would ever happen.

But, aside of that fact both carriers would bring a lot to the table, using 737's with legs, flying multiple island nations from HNL, and some 763's or 330's doing HND-ANC or HNL-ANC- Europe. The current AS East coast destinations getting a non-stop to HNL or OGG. The merged carrier would have great fleet diversity and relative youth, A well run organization with great potential for managed growth, and an impressive Juggernaut on west coast and Hawaii flying. Just my armchair CEO thoughts. Both carriers are proven survivors in this jet age, I think a move like this would solidify long term prosperity.
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:19 am

I'm a little surprised that HA is expanding OAK and SJC over SFO. Is the traffic at OAK and SJC that much better than SFO?
 
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:32 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 8):
Fares are traditionally higher to OGG than HNL, not sure why.

Two reasons:

1.) Maui attracts a more affluent demographic of traveler. The masses go to HNL, where there are a variety of reasonably priced hotels and resorts. Maui is a bit more exclusive and features some of the highest-rated resort hotels in the country, if not the world.

2.) Although the situation changed a lot over the past couple of years, there is less competition at OGG compared to HNL, either domestically or especially internationally. Like any "secondary" or boutique airport, there is going to be a fare premium to fly directly into the city nonstop.
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:08 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
I'm a little surprised that HA is expanding OAK and SJC over SFO. Is the traffic at OAK and SJC that much better than SFO?

SFO is dominated by UA. UA is still the biggest airline in the Mainland - Hawaii market. HA can't compete with UA that well to anywhere other than HNL. UA owns the SFO-Hawaii market with feed from throughout the country and multiple daily flights to KOA, OGG & HNL. OAK/SJC are only competing against an AS 738 which has no feed.
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:32 am

Just wondering how many gates does AS have at PDX? Its kind of a mini hub so they must have a good amount
 
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:29 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 12):
Just wondering how many gates does AS have at PDX? Its kind of a mini hub so they must have a good amount

It is not a mini hub, it is a full fledged hub (although SEA is bigger)
They currently have C1, C2, C3, C5, C7, B1, B2, B3 which is 8 gates that they are the preferential carrier at. They also use C22/23 at night as needed for RON aircraft. Also QX is set up in all of the A terminal (which is gates A1-A12, but actually parking stands A-M)
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:37 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):

I'd think that HA would be the biggest on the Hawaii-Mainland routes, several cities 1x daily to HNL, 3-5ish to OGG, still 1x daily, LAX has 2-3x HNL, with their A330s, along with 2-3x LAS, with a 1x OGG-HNL on some days.. But I guess UA beats them with a few 772s and 767s, as well as numerous 757s from LAX/SFO.
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RE: HA Ending Portland-Maui

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:31 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
I'm a little surprised that HA is expanding OAK and SJC over SFO. Is the traffic at OAK and SJC that much better than SFO?

No just that SJC and OAK are better airports-----much easier to access and closer to more of the population......SFO needs a new runway to better compete---the delays are well known by we Bay Area natives.

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