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Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:35 am

My monthly Anet blog on WN kicking someone off a plane for doing something they didn't like so they could get their name on the Today Show the following morning for a 20 second spot.

Seems a couple was showing affection and the flight attendant removed them. Comical that the article states WN is a family airline because they are far from it - when did they start handing out coloring books and crayons? They are an LCC in the business of making money and apparently getting their name in the papers.

Also really odd they are so quick to damage control in these situations.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...a-hailey-southwest-airlines-240227
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:45 am

If they keep this up, they are in fact going to be missing out on one of the wealthiest demographics of leisure traveler.

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:54 am

Hmmmmmm, per her own quote on twitter: "We were escorted off the plane for getting upset about the issue." Sounds like her removal wasn't for the kissing, but for her behavior following the FA's instruction to keep it PG.

I'm all about ending discrimination, but if there was a heterosexual couple engaging in what could be interpreted as inappropriate behavior, I'd be willing to bet that the FA's instructions to them would be the same. Their noncompliance with the instruction seems to be the case here, notsomuch their actual kissing.

Also from the article: " One noted that the couple "joined the ranks" of Kevin Smith and Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong, both of whom were previously kicked off SWA flights. In February 2010, Smith claimed he was kicked off for being too large to fit in a single seat, while Armstrong earlier this month tweeted that he was escorted off the aircraft for wearing sagging pants." - Wasn't it determined that in the Smith case, it was because there were no other seats for him to purchase (in order to fulfil the COS policy) and so they rebooked him? And in Billie's case, wasn't his removal due to his behavior, rather than the actual offense?

It's becoming more of a pattern that I'm seeing here. A relatively small offense is committed (whether it's inappropriate behavior or attire), and rather than comply with the request to cease or change, they become belligerent, and therefore are removed. Immediately after, discrimination is cried out. IMO, I cry foul on their parts. They weren't removed for their offense; they were removed for their actions following...get it right, media!

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:09 am

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):


My monthly Anet blog on WN kicking someone off a plane for doing something they didn't like so they could get their name on the Today Show the following morning for a 20 second spot.

Good Job, going for a record now?

Get the facts straight or gay...however you choose...

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):

Seems a couple was showing affection and the flight attendant removed them.

False, removed for the actions, NOT for the kissing themselves, even she said so herself.

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Comical that the article states WN is a family airline because they are far from it - when did they start handing out coloring books and crayons?

Nowhere in the article does it say that, they quote HER saying that about it being a family airline.

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):

Also really odd they are so quick to damage control in these situations.

Why is that so bad? Do you want the airline to wait around and see what happens? ANY Airline, not just SWA should act very quickly like they did and try to solve it as quickly as possible.

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:12 am

YES they do hand out crayons and coloring books, just ask!!!
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 3):
Nowhere in the article does it say that, they quote HER saying that about it being a family airline.
"I have been discriminated against by @SouthwestAir," she tweeted. "Flt. attendant said that it was a 'family' airline and kissing was not ok."
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:23 am

When are people going to learn? Upsetting lesbians is NEVER a good idea! Hell hath no fury like an upset lesbian  
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:30 am

Southwest is sure making the rounds, last month they kicked off the lead singer of Green-Day for "baggy pants" on a flight to Los Angeles. He ran to a computer and twited the event.

Now this
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:36 am

WN sure has a penchant for these types of issues. Absolutely amazing.
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:46 am

If I was kissing my gf and an fa told me stop I'd get pissed off too.

I think WN are confusing "family airline" with morality police!
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:55 am

I believe it is perfectly appropriate for people to kiss - and its a natural part of family life.

What really bothers me is that there is nothing illegal about wearing skimpy clothing, droopy pants, or kissing. Yet, SW Airlines seems to have problems with otherwise perfectly legal activities.

Now I personally don't like the way some people dress - or act (and at times it makes me feel ill). But if they are not directly infringing on another person (other than someone being able to see them) then I can't see what the issue is as long as they meet the minimum levels of public decency. Back in the 70's people kissed (and did more - especially under coats and blankets) in greyhoud busses (I used to cross half the US at a time on greyhounds in those days). The fact is that SW Airlines is effectively the greyhound bus of this period.

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:02 am

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 3):
False, removed for the actions, NOT for the kissing themselves, even she said so herself.

So, basically what you're saying is that these people need to start responding with "no" to Southwest flight attendants.

Got it. If I ever step foot on the airline, which I never will because of the weekly incidents, I will ignore all crewmember instructions.

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:06 am

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 2):
I'm all about ending discrimination, but if there was a heterosexual couple engaging in what could be interpreted as inappropriate behavior, I'd be willing to bet that the FA's instructions to them would be the same.

If so then WN better tell all the FAs in SJC. I did a quick SJC-LAX on WN last week because UA's schedule to LAX sucks, and I saw several instances of hetrosexual "family-unfriendly behavior". On the ground, taxing and in the air.

It's not the reaction that's going to get WN in trouble though. It's the inconsistency in their actions. Green Day singer kicked off for baggy pants, when I've seen people in sweatpants and a tshirt with coffee stains on it. Girl kicked off flight for clothing that's too short, but people who wear the same clothing or worse at the next gate over are allowed out every day. Gay couple kicked off for showing affection, when plenty of hetero couples do the same.

Besides who decides the "family values"? Until very recently, interracial couples were not family friendly in a couple states. What about unmarried couples that have kids?

The inconsistency is where the problem lies.
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:06 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 11):

So, basically what you're saying is that these people need to start responding with "no" to Southwest flight attendants.

Huh? I really have no idea what you're saying?

He said something, which wasn't true, I was merely correcting him. I didn't say I agreed with WN's actions or the couples actions?

Quoting gigneil (Reply 11):

Got it. If I ever step foot on the airline, which I never will because of the weekly incidents, I will ignore all crewmember instructions.

Again confused? Why? (I know it's sarcasm but why?)
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:08 am

Quoting boilerla (Reply 12):

The inconsistency is where the problem lies.

Absolutely! That is the one thing that has annoyed me about SWA and other airlines, the inconsistency of everything.

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:11 am

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 13):
Again confused? Why? (I know it's sarcasm but why?)

Because the defense is, routinely, that the people aren't being removed for the activity but for reacting to the crew's request.

As a result, if I am doing something that the crew doesn't like, and they ask me to stop - I just won't. And further, I won't respond to them.

Cause let me assure you, if I am actually kissing a guy in public - I am not going to stop when asked. So me ignoring them seems to be the best course of action.

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:14 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 15):
Because the defense is, routinely, that the people aren't being removed for the activity but for reacting to the crew's request.

As a result, if I am doing something that the crew doesn't like, and they ask me to stop - I just won't. And further, I won't respond to them.

Gotcha, well, unfortunately the crew has the power to say what they want. (I don't like that either but that's how it is)

Quoting gigneil (Reply 15):

Cause let me assure you, if I am actually kissing a guy in public - I am not going to stop when asked. So me ignoring them seems to be the best course of action.

I guess it's a matter of whats public or not? I am gay too, and have no qualms kissing a guy on the street but I will not do it on a plane, because, not everyone is comfortable with PDA (straight or gay). Unlike on the street, they cannot get up off the plane to get away from me if I am making them uncomfortable. I do it out of respect.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:20 am

Kissing, or "making out"?

If pax were complaining, it was probably the latter.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:28 am

Quoting boilerla (Reply 12):
Besides who decides the "family values"?

The answer in most cases is actually: other passengers. Here is a part of these stories rarely told and when told - often overlooked. When situations like this occur - they often start when another passenger complains to a flight attendant about the activity in question. This usually forces the flight attendant to take action.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:00 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 18):

The answer in most cases is actually: other passengers. Here is a part of these stories rarely told and when told - often overlooked. When situations like this occur - they often start when another passenger complains to a flight attendant about the activity in question. This usually forces the flight attendant to take action.

So WN flight attendants are now sky moms, and we can tell them whatever displeases us about the other passengers? I'll remember that next time there's a family whose son is kicking my seat. Or a passenger with a coat in the overhead bin that is now full. Or passengers that are discussing politics that I find disagreeable. Should we just kick them all off? Again, inconsistency. Have a set of rules, and abide by them. Otherwise you can get everybody kicked off for something.

Want to know what's funny about the Billie Joe Armstrong incident? No passengers complained; it happened as he was boarding the plane. It was just some flight attendant deciding she was the new dress code enforcer of the skies. According to Southwest "...Brad Hawkins says in a statement that Armstrong was allowed to board the next flight." so obviously there was nothing totally obscene about his clothing. Some flight attendant just didn't like it, but the next flight crew had no problem with it evidently.
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:46 am

Quoting mcdu (Reply 8):
Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 7):
When are people going to learn? Upsetting lesbians is NEVER a good idea! Hell hath no fury like an upset lesbian  

   
Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 18):
The answer in most cases is actually: other passengers. Here is a part of these stories rarely told and when told - often overlooked. When situations like this occur - they often start when another passenger complains to a flight attendant about the activity in question. This usually forces the flight attendant to take action.

     

  

I think the point here, is people need to understand what is appropriate in the general public. Want to show affection ? whether you're gay, lesbian or straight. Fine.... But remember, a plane is a public environment, and as such, you don't threaten people around you, you don't pee against the windows, and you don't display, (lets call it excessive) acts of affection... thats what rooms are for....
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:03 am

Quoting boilerla (Reply 19):
So WN flight attendants are now sky moms, and we can tell them whatever displeases us about the other passengers? I'll remember that next time there's a family whose son is kicking my seat. Or a passenger with a coat in the overhead bin that is now full. Or passengers that are discussing politics that I find disagreeable. Should we just kick them all off? Again, inconsistency. Have a set of rules, and abide by them. Otherwise you can get everybody kicked off for something.

It appears you are pretty bitter about your own experiences with F/As lol

But I invite you to continue your reading on the subject matter, as I am 3/3 in reading articles stating that Ms. Hailey was removed from the a/c not for her ACTIONS, but her REACTIONS. I am of the belief that every situation can be handled diplomatically, and it seems she chose not to take such a route.

Hopefully we can get a more accurate picture of what happened and put the argument to rest. I shouldn't have to say this...but if the F/A actually was making that comment because of her intolerance, and not because of pax complaints, then I'm more than certain that this view is not shared by a major carrier such as Southwest. It's 2011, large North American corporations don't have racist or homophobic company policies.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:23 am

Quoting risingsunfitnes (Reply 20):
I think the point here, is people need to understand what is appropriate in the general public. Want to show affection ? whether you're gay, lesbian or straight. Fine.... But remember, a plane is a public environment, and as such, you don't threaten people around you, you don't pee against the windows, and you don't display, (lets call it excessive) acts of affection... thats what rooms are for....

I agree. The problem here is that we don't know if the "act of affection" was excessive.

Obviously, it was more than peck on the cheek, a full kiss on the mouth, which wouldn't worry me - but there are straight people who would be deeply offended by it.

If it was the full-on suck-face, tongues down throat, then my reaction as a gay man would be - hey, get a room.

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Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:13 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
hey, get a room

Or a lav - welcome to the Mile High Club   !

Honestly, like always we only hear one side of the story. There's always more to it than meets the eye at first glance.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:32 am

Quoting CCA (Reply 9):
If I was kissing my gf and an fa told me stop I'd get pissed off too.

I think WN are confusing "family airline" with morality police!

I Agree. I've kissed in public (I'm heterosexual) in places such as a Dubai shopping mall... and also here in Beirut (in cosmopolitan places), a partly Muslim city in an Arabic country. I've never been told to "keep it PG".

Yet gays kissing is not something you'd want to see as a child, I guess. Or even as an adult... I've noticed that I dislike seeing two men showing affection in public - but it depends on the circumstance, and as some one said earlier, it becomes a problem in a closed space such as a plane, where I am not able to walk away.
In any case, as a rational being I try my best not to infringe on other people's rights even if they are doing something that I would not like to see. I try to look away and deal with it.

When Southwest tries to have and enforce their own definition of what is morally acceptable in public places, then it is expected to get such reactions. Whether it's exaggerated or not in this particular case - I can't really tell without having more details.

[Edited 2011-09-27 00:42:50]
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:14 am

Quoting rolfen (Reply 24):
Yet gays kissing is not something you'd want to see as a child, I guess.

I've seen men in the Middle East kiss each other in public quite frequently - as a greeting, not in sexual way, but how would a child know the difference?

Men frequently walk arm-in-arm in the Middle East and in some places that would immediately put a gay label on them.

Quoting rolfen (Reply 24):
In any case, as a rational being I try my best not to infringe on other people's rights even if they are doing something that I would not like to see. I try to look away and deal with it.

I think straight couples sucking face in public can be offensive, so I don't watch. On a plane, I'll read a mag, or look out of the window. If it goes too far, I'll ask them to stop.

It's all a matter of degree.

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Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:29 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
It's all a matter of degree.

     

Completely agree, whether gay, hetro, point up or down, or believe aliens have landed.... you're in a public environment... Get a room or... if the need is too urgent, get a lav, as Austrian ZRH says  
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:30 am

Hi

Does it not all sort of depend on the sort of kiss?

Personally I have no issues with gay or straight people having a quick peck in public, but I do find people having long lingering kisses with tongues a bit unpleasant to watch.

In the EU you can't discriminate between gay and straight, both have equal rights. However in 13 years I have only kissed my partner (we are both male) maybe 3 times in public. Its just not something we are happy with as it sort of draws attention.

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Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:31 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
I've seen men in the Middle East kiss each other in public quite frequently - as a greeting, not in sexual way, but how would a child know the difference?

Men frequently walk arm-in-arm in the Middle East and in some places that would immediately put a gay label on them.

Yes. Only yesterday I was sitting in the audience of a TV show, and the guy sitting right in front of me put his arm around the neck of his friend and started playing with his friend's ear. This was already 2 hours into the show - It is a restrictive experience, I was already annoyed and wanted to go home, and my girlfriend had been moved somewhere else in the audience so I had nothing to play with myself   It got on my nerves, and somewhat felt offensive to me - and I was surprised about my own feelings. But I tried not to look and eventually it passed.

I am not a big fan of PDA, but sometimes you can't let the moment pass...   yet in any case I remain considerate of other people around me, and and glad to see others do. I find it to be a good thing.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:45 am

Looking at the last few posts, i think we might all agree....first for Anet ? that public affection is nice, but sometimes may be deemed inappropriate when it goes over the top.... or am i jumping the gun... so to speak.

  
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:17 am

I find it strange that humans find public displays of affection offensive and are willing to put an end to it yet if someone is being bullied or degraded in some way people turn away and say or do nothing.

Affection is a good thing, it's not going to hurt you or anyone else, ask yourself why you find it offensive. The world we live in sure does seem to have it backwards, if we think affection is a bad thing.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:23 am

Wonder what SWA comes up with next. First the dress code, now the kissing in public saga. A good idea would be, for example, to check the food pax bring on board and to confiscate everything that is unhealthy. Or maybe to dim the cabin for 30minutes during the flight and order everybody to take a nap for health reasons.

If I want to be lectured about what to do and what not, I visit my mom and don't book a SWA flight.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 15):
Because the defense is, routinely, that the people aren't being removed for the activity but for reacting to the crew's request.

What other defense could the airline put up that would not cost them millios in a court of law?

[Edited 2011-09-27 03:23:57]
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:53 am

"Initial reports indicate that we received several passenger complaints characterizing the behavior as excessive. Our crew, responsible for the comfort of all Customers on board, approached the passengers based solely on behavior and not gender. The conversation escalated to a level that was better resolved on the ground, as opposed to in flight.."

Smells like another publicity stunt.

How many pax are removed from aircraft everyday?

And what percentage are celebrities who then go straight to Twitter?
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:23 am

I see people are expressing the fact that the rules are inconsistant. I looked up the SWA contract of carriage. I feel like it's spelled out pretty clearly.

"General. Carrier may, in its sole discretion, refuse to transport, or may remove from an aircraft at any point, any Passenger in any of the circumstances listed below...

Comfort and Safety. Carrier may refuse to transport, or remove from the aircraft at any point, any Passenger in any of the circumstances listed below as may be necessary for the comfort or safety of such Passenger or other Passengers and crew members:

Persons whose conduct is or has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, intimidating, violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive."

Quoting boilerla (Reply 19):
So WN flight attendants are now sky moms, and we can tell them whatever displeases us about the other passengers? I'll remember that next time there's a family whose son is kicking my seat. Or a passenger with a coat in the overhead bin that is now full. Or passengers that are discussing politics that I find disagreeable. Should we just kick them all off? Again, inconsistency. Have a set of rules, and abide by them. Otherwise you can get everybody kicked off for something.


So yes, F/A has authority to kick people off for disorderly behavior. F/A's are there for passenger safety, they are more than just a "waitress". Not saying there aren't some F/A's that let the power go to their head, but in this case I believe the correct action was taken.

There seems to be a belief that an aircraft is a public place, like a mall or city street. It is more a place of business and there are rules to be followed. These rules protect passengers and crew members. When a passenger buys a ticket, they agree to these rules, whether they read them or not. It's just like any other Terms of Service (TOS).
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:13 pm

Unfortunately gay rights in the US depend on the state, with over half of all states not providing much protection against sexual discrimination. I guess we are lucky in Europe as most (if not all) EU states have established anti-discrimination legislation universally.

Personally, I don't think it is anyone's right to say that they disagree with how I live... and in a professional environment this should most certainly be the case.

I am a little surprised as if the passengers were kicked off because of the cabin crew's own prejudices, surely she is in the wrong job? Many crew members are gay and this particular flight attendant must have worked with many of them. Another option is that she was responding to a passenger complaint.

It is a pity that gay men and women are still afraid to express their affection for eachother in public, along the same lines that straight couples do and I applaud these women for not being afraid to be who they are.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:18 pm

Quoting airport1970 (Reply 32):
Smells like another publicity stunt.

I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be some clever viral marketing strategy, so a WN competitor can grab more of the lucrative LGBT market, by encouraging the LGBT community to mentally-associate WN with intolerance. Rather than run some negative ad saying, "hey, gay people: don't fly with the rubes, fly with us instead!", this is even more effective. Maybe later on the actress will get a lucrative endorsement deal with another airline.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:32 pm

Quoting Rockindokken (Reply 33):
F/A's are there for passenger safety, they are more than just a "waitress".

That is very true. However, my safety has never been in peril from a snogging lesbian couple...
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:26 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 36):
That is very true. However, my safety has never been in peril from a snogging lesbian couple...

Well if they don't comply with the FA's request now what makes you so sure they will in an emergency that may affect your safety.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:44 pm

Some flight attendants seem to have gone power mad. In recent years, especially after 9/11, they seem to confuse their job on enforcing aircraft safety to thinking it gives them the power to enforce whatever they want. Since when is two people kissing or what someone is wearing got to do with safety or anything other business of a FA for that matter? Someone needs to get it into these people's heads that they don't get to do what they want, they're flight attendants and nothing more. Now the first time anyone is rude to them or does the slightest thing they don't like, they get the police in and enforce that bulls**t rule of refusing to comply with a flight attendants instruction, irregardless of whether it's violating safety or not. With the bad publicity they're getting from moves like this from idiot employees, I'm truly surprised that the upper level management allow them to continue to act like morality police and hurt the company image. Sadly, this entire phenomenon seems to be largely confined to the US and long may that continue.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:03 pm

Afterall, it's Southwest Airlines... the name start with South.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:07 pm

Ideally, Southwest should have used another, "legitimate" reason to remove the couple even it that reason were pretense. Appropriate reasons for removal would be one of the two was reading or had in her possession, a book on airplanes or a magazine with an airplane on the front (especially useful given the number of airlines with in-flight magazines), the two were discussing sensitive aviation issues such as whether the flight would land on time, or one (or both) had on unsettling headcoverings, were whispering in conspiratorial tones and/or were of dark (or darker) skin than the average traveler.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:15 pm

Quoting Grid (Reply 40):
Ideally, Southwest should have used another, "legitimate" reason to remove the couple even it that reason were pretense.

That is great customer service. Just like the TSA! Southwest is constantly in the news with these tactics. At some point this issue of SWA and their treatment of customers will get pushed to the front of the news. Long predicted but the summit trip for SWA may finally be a descent. With the issues ongoing with the integration of AT they are definitely not winning many NEW friends.

Hopefully the other carriers can start capitalizing on the missteps of WN.
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:20 pm

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 18):
The answer in most cases is actually: other passengers. Here is a part of these stories rarely told and when told - often overlooked. When situations like this occur - they often start when another passenger complains to a flight attendant about the activity in question. This usually forces the flight attendant to take action.

Indeed.

Quoting airport1970 (Reply 32):
"Initial reports indicate that we received several passenger complaints characterizing the behavior as excessive. Our crew, responsible for the comfort of all Customers on board, approached the passengers based solely on behavior and not gender. The conversation escalated to a level that was better resolved on the ground, as opposed to in flight.."

It's about time someone pointed this side of the story out.

Instead the thread starter went with the kissing lesbians approach, hoping we'd all get sucked in to reading the thread.

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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:32 pm

Quoting boilerla (Reply 19):
Want to know what's funny about the Billie Joe Armstrong incident? No passengers complained; it happened as he was boarding the plane. It was just some flight attendant deciding she was the new dress code enforcer of the skies. According to Southwest "...Brad Hawkins says in a statement that Armstrong was allowed to board the next flight." so obviously there was nothing totally obscene about his clothing. Some flight attendant just didn't like it, but the next flight crew had no problem with it evidently.

I'm guessing he pulled his pants up so his [email protected]@ crack wasn't showing on the next flight.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 34):
I am a little surprised as if the passengers were kicked off because of the cabin crew's own prejudices, surely she is in the wrong job? Many crew members are gay and this particular flight attendant must have worked with many of them. Another option is that she was responding to a passenger complaint.

I hope you are not trying to inpune the reputation of the f/a while assuming facts not entered into evidence. We do not know the whole story, nor do we know the f/a's thought process during the incident. It soulnds like you despartely want to blame the f/a "for foistiing her morals upon the couple in question", yet you do the same thing here.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 36):
That is very true. However, my safety has never been in peril from a snogging lesbian couple...

no,, but my health might be in peril if they're both unattractive, pass the barf bag. Conversely, If they're both hot, free in-flight entertainment.


The media intentionally leave out details (like pax complaining about the actions first) to make the story more salatious to get more reactions from the readers.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:49 pm

Three parts to every story and we've only heard two. Something tells me neither side is exactly innocent.

Quoting Centre (Reply 39):
Afterall, it's Southwest Airlines... the name start with South.

You're going to need to elaborate quite a bit.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:53 pm

Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 43):
The media intentionally leave out details (like pax complaining about the actions first) to make the story more salatious to get more reactions from the readers.

No, media usually want to include details to get the story more salacious (I'm guessing that is the word you were searching for), especially in the case of two lesbians.

And, often, companies issue a "no comment" right away while they investigate the matter and the media run the story without their explanations.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:56 pm

Southwest seems to have a knack for kicking off its flights just the right people who have the audience to make sure their complaint is heard loud and clear by the general public. I can't help but draw one of two conclusions:
a) Southwest is kicking a lot of Joe Schmuck off its flights every week for traveling with the wrong clothes, books, attitude or partner. We just never hear about them;
b) Southwest's sent their marketing director to the Michael O'Leary school of free publicity.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:59 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 30):
I find it strange that humans find public displays of affection offensive and are willing to put an end to it yet if someone is being bullied or degraded in some way people turn away and say or do nothing.

Affection is a good thing, it's not going to hurt you or anyone else, ask yourself why you find it offensive. The world we live in sure does seem to have it backwards, if we think affection is a bad thing.

Well, in the U.S. at least, violence on television, in movies and video games, is not considered a problem, or is at least, considered less of a problem than gays kissing or a bare boob. Even a 17-year-old smoking is considered awful but a guy mowing down dozens of people, with blood and body parts flying around is ... awesome!

As for the bullying, people don't turn away or do nothing: they whip out their phones and record the action rather than intervene.
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:05 pm

I wonder how other passengers could be disturbed by their kissing. When seated the only people who could see them are in the same seat row. And the ones across the aisle can easily avoid staring sideways if this is too much for them to bear. So we are left with only one person that would be directly affected.
 
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RE: Southwest Kicks Women Off For Kissing.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:05 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 44):
Quoting Centre (Reply 39):
Afterall, it's Southwest Airlines... the name start with South.

You're going to need to elaborate quite a bit.

Really? I get it and I'm super dense.
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