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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:40 pm

Quoting tkfan (Reply 99):

Misrata is a surprise, Mitiga is not even daily yet. I think TK wants to get a foothold in Libya before everyone else, with this 3rd destination.
About Mogadishu, it could be a 738 or 739 route, but what will TK do about the crews? After this 6+ hour flight, will the crew overnight? This could be the most dangerous overnight location for TK I imagine.

By the way, when did this happen? "Turkey welcomes You" ...the official partner of Liverpool F.C.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:20 pm

can someone post a link in english for the TK announcement of Somaila bound flights please...thanks
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:32 am

Wouldnt Hageisa be safer?

Quoting TK787 (Reply 100):
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:09 pm

Can I get some load reports on some TK flights tomorrow 17th and 18th ? Turkish reservation is useless when I ask this. All the want to do is to sell me a ticket..

Thanks,

TK1, TK11, TK5 and TK7 Oct 17th
and
TK1, TK5, TK7 and TK9 for OCt 18th..
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:13 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 101):
can someone post a link in english for the TK announcement of Somaila bound flights please...thanks

Announcements now on TKs Homepage:

http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-IN...vestor_relations/special/2011.aspx
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:14 pm

United Airlines is seeking slots at IST to launch EWR service summer 2012.

IATA slot conference is in mid-November.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 105):

Nice route for a 787 one day,
You have explained previously that UA and TK don't codeshare in the US, why would UA would like to challenge TK, a Star partner, on this route?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:41 pm

Why not challenge TK? Its not unusual for two alliance members to operate the same route.

UA does not get really benefits of people flying TK today, so with TK growing on the Atlantic I’m sure UA/LH and their ++Atlantic Alliance JV has seen reduction in traffic.
Today UA sells Turkey seats mostly over LH and its JV partner hubs as the moneys stay inhouse. A direct IST link would continue this Atlantic pool.

Ultimately however I think UA-TK will become friends. If TK feeds UA good deal of passengers at IST from places across the Middle East, I could see UA open up to allowing more TK code-share services in the US. Actually UA-TK could even codeshare on a new EWR flight and make it a win-win. Gives TK access to new airport, and new wide range of beyond markets potentially as its NYC services today are almost all reliant on local traffic due lack of connections at JFK. Maybe even one day TK can join the ++Atlantic JV (though I doubt LH would agree).


Anyhow lets see. From what I gather UA plans are not 100% certain, but if they can get appropriate slots then it becomes ever more likely.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:53 pm

Would they use a B767 on the route? A B777 might be too big?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:57 am

Merhaba to everyone looks like TK is really focusing on expanding into the Indian market in 2012 doubling it's weekly services and adding new destinations according to this article http://www.domain-b.com/aero/airlines/20111018_india_operations.html ? TK CEO is stating he wants to operate into 5 cities in India including the two they currently fly to, i wonder what other destinations are in plan for 2012 ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:49 pm

TK has been saying for a long time that Hyderabad (HYD) is going to be there 3rd destination in India. The only European airline flying to HYD is BA who have 5 weekly flights. LH just terminated there 3 weekly FRA-HYD flight. I guess the main issue with HYD is filling up F/J seats.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:53 pm

Quoting colts001 (Reply 110):
I guess the main issue with HYD is filling up F/J seats.

as far as I remember HYD is mainly cargo driven; however, there is also a quite significant VFR demand from the US.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:56 pm

TK wants to double destinations in South East Asia over the next 5 years according to their CEO. He mentions Nepal, Cambodia, Burma, Hanoi,Sydney, Manila and Mongolia in the following Times of India article. How realistic is Nepal?

link to article: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...India-ops/articleshow/10396163.cms

Also: ''Kotil said, adding that new aircraft like Airbus 380 and Boeing 787s may be acquired for expansion.''

[Edited 2011-10-18 06:58:20]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:40 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 112):

TK wants to double destinations in South East Asia over the next 5 years according to their CEO. He mentions Nepal, Cambodia, Burma, Hanoi,Sydney, Manila and Mongolia in the following Times of India article. How realistic is Nepal?

I hope TK picks up non-stop and increased number of frequencies on the DAC route too. Right now, they are serving four times a week with mix of A332, A333, and A343 and with a stop in KHI. Will be flying this route next week - can't wait to experience the flight and the load factor in person ... and also to see a THY bird in Dhaka! 

[Edited 2011-10-18 07:40:53]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:01 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 112):

Also: ''Kotil said, adding that new aircraft like Airbus 380 and Boeing 787s may be acquired for expansion

I wonder with 787 cancellations how soon would TK get a 787 or A380 if they placed an order ? Great to see TK still has plans to fly to SYD.......
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:17 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 113):
Will be flying this route next week - can't wait to experience the flight and the load factor in person

I will be looking forward to read about your TK flight and IST connection experience. Hope everything works out fine for you.

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 114):
I wonder with 787 cancellations how soon would TK get a 787 or A380 if they placed an order ? Great to see TK still has plans to fly to SYD.......

Good question. On the other hand, I wonder whether the lack of 748 in that statement means anything?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:37 pm

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 114):
I wonder with 787 cancellations how soon would TK get a 787 or A380 if they placed an order ?

I do not know the current situation but in March 2011 Airbus offered 5 cancelled A380 order to TK with an extremely good deal to deliver the first bird in 2012 and the last in 2014. Offer is not valid anymore...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:25 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 112):
Also: ''Kotil said, adding that new aircraft like Airbus 380 and Boeing 787s may be acquired for expansion.''

we've been hearing these and waiting for a decision since 5 years. I am not getting my hopes high for this   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:18 am

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 116):
first bird in 2012 and the last in 2014

Five bodies is a small fleet, and when the delivery takes so long the question would be if this makes sense. Let's speculate a bit about the layout and destinations IF TK ordered this birds.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:28 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 118):
Five bodies is a small fleet, and when the delivery takes so long the question would be if this makes sense. Let's speculate a bit about the layout and destinations IF TK ordered this birds.

I think NYC would utilize one or two ..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:32 am

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 118):
Let's speculate a bit about the layout and destinations IF TK ordered this birds.

TK's strategy is a little different from EK in that (this is my opinion of course) EK focuses on transfers between markets made up of rather large areas (such as UK to Australia, USA to India, so on. This means their average no of pax on a given route doesn't vary from another too much. That's why they have an all widebody fleet (unlike Qatar or Etihad). TK on the other hand has major trunk routes in long haul (US, Far East) and a large number of local routes to feed them. So we are likely to see two distinct size categories in TK no matter what.

Recently, TK long haul trunks got upgraded to 77W, so they need more feed - hence also increased frequencies on all local flights (Europe, MidEast, etc). If they ever get 388 someday, that will also be a big jump, even in the lowest profitable configuration, requiring another boost to feeder ops across the board. I doubt they will opt for a dense config.

I see the 388 (or 748) operating to ICN, HKG, BKK, JFK before anywhere else. Of course, depending on loads, we might see them in AYT (provided they can land there!).

Just my 2 cents.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:02 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 117):
we've been hearing these and waiting for a decision since 5 years. I am not getting my hopes high for this

It seems quite realistic nowadays IMHO, there are destinations such as China, which it's impossible to find any availability, 388 makes sense then. There are other possibilities, by puting 388 to some long houls, some 77W are freed, so they'd fly 333 routes, and so on, then for example a route which has some potential but slot restrictions could be operated by those freed birds (let's say A332 for example).
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:53 pm

Considerable service reductions from AnadoluJet from ESB. AMS, BRU, DUS, FRA and STN axed from their winter schedule. Bad news for Ankara.

link: http://airlineroute.net/2011/10/19/tka-esb-w11/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:04 pm

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 35):
AFAIK Anadolujet has dropped most/all international flights to and from ESB due to low LF. All flights will be restarted again in Summer 2012
Quoting tcm (Reply 122):
Considerable service reductions from AnadoluJet from ESB. AMS, BRU, DUS, FRA and STN axed from their winter schedule. Bad news for Ankara.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:19 pm

Regarding the A380, a couple years back the only markets that could consistently support the aircraft were BKK year-round and JFK summer only per marketing study.
However as the network grows, I'm sure this will change, and certainly it would also not surprise me to see TK use A380s to places like FRA or Bodrum(if the airport could handle it) during holidays.


Regarding ESB this yet again proves the inability for Ankara to support consistent year-round diverse network of European routes. Ankara simply does not have the local demand, or attraction for people. Also does not help the fact that folks in Anatolia do not have the economic travel propensity as Istanbulites have.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:32 pm

Any TK plans to add more destinations in south america like EZE and GIG?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:37 am

Quoting KLM747800THY (Reply 125):
Any TK plans to add more destinations in south america like EZE and GIG?

EZE was announced as a ag on from GRU - http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-TR...vestor_relations/special/2011.aspx (schroll down to 05.08.2011)

Also, ESB - Izmit and TZX - Izmit officially announced on the same page.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:44 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 126):

Also, ESB - Izmit and TZX - Izmit officially announced on the same page.

as much as I love the idea of opening more regional and remote airports to civil air traffic, this one is certainly not the best choice in my eyes. I don't expect high loadfactors, especially when you have SAW around the corner...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:51 am

That other aviation blog reports TK to codeshare with TG, on TG flights to Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Kuala Lumpur. TG code appears on TK flights to Bangkok. Didn't they just add a codeshare to Australia via ICN on OZ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:06 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 128):

That other aviation blog reports TK to codeshare with TG, on TG flights to Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Kuala Lumpur. TG code appears on TK flights to Bangkok. Didn't they just add a codeshare to Australia via ICN on OZ?


Here is the link to the TK announcement in Skylife:

http://www.turkishairlines.com/cs-CZ.../strengthening-our-agreements.aspx

I guess this must be an additional codeshare arrangement?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:09 am

Also rumors that 737-900ER will feature 16 C and 135 Y for a total of 151 seats - less than any 738 config for TK. I guess they are really counting on C pax for these flights, otherwise this means flying a heavier bird with less seats to the same destinations.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:16 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 126):
Also, ESB - Izmit and TZX - Izmit officially announced on the same page.

Will it be operated by BJ with ATR72's?
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:18 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 129):




I think thats a great idea to code share with TG into OZ as TG has many daily flights into all major cities here. Having said that has TK started double daily into BKK ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:14 pm

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 131):
Will it be operated by BJ with ATR72's?

I think so, probably on a ESB-TZX-Izmit-TZX-ESB routing
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 133):

More likely ESB-Izmit-TZX-izmit-ESB to me....
Flown 0B 4I 9U A3 AA AB AF AZ BA BD BR CA CU CX EI EK FR HV JK JP JU KK KL KM LH LX MA ME MS NG OA OK QR OS RJ RO SA SK SQ SR SU UA VY YM
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:20 pm

According to the update on GDS, TK to start IST-DKR-LOS on the 23rd of Dec with the new 739ERs. To appear as 79B. As mentioned before a configuration of 16 C and 135 Y.

Link: http://airlineroute.net/2011/10/20/tk-73j-w11update3/

[Edited 2011-10-20 10:21:51]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:05 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 133):
Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 134):

Nice, hope to see more cities linked like this. Havayolu, halkin yolu olsun!  
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:16 am

Quoting tcm (Reply 135):
According to the update on GDS, TK to start IST-DKR-LOS on the 23rd of Dec with the new 739ERs. To appear as 79B. As mentioned before a configuration of 16 C and 135 Y.

Airport codes say Istanbul-Lagos(Nigeria)-Accra(Ghana)-Lagos-Istanbul

TK623 IST1415 – 2015LOS2135 – 2135ACC 73J x247
TK624 ACC2245 – 0045+1LOS0205 – 0915IST 73J x247
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:44 pm

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....b737-8f2-turkish-first-flight.html
-First flight of TK's latest 737-800. Looks like this one might be delivered earlier than the 7379ER, which had its first flight in June.

-Any info on the 2 x 739ERs leased from GECAS stored at SIN, ex-Lion???
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:21 pm

Quoting KLM747800THY (Reply 73):

Same at LHR yesterday. UK immigration met us on TK 1991 22nd October. Announcement on aircraft to have passports ready on disembarkation. Great I thought, get my bags and go. No way. So why, on a flight from BJV-IST-LHR do I have to:
Bags scanned on entry to BJV. Drop bag at BJV (after showing passport at drop whilst queueing in normal check-in). Re-scan and passport check before departure lounge. At gate, passport/boarding pass check. Arrive IST domestic. Between domestic and int'l terminal get stopped 'are you connecting'? Passport checked and questioned 'did I pack bag myself? Bit bloody late as same question asked 2 hours earlier at BJV. A sticker put on my passport. My bag is in transit anyway (hopefully). Why ask mid-way? Then through passport control IST, 10 mins for duty free. To gate 222. At gate passport asked for with boarding pass. Passport man says are you Mr XXX? Yes I reply, have just given it to you. 'Can you look me in the face' he asks. Curious look given by him and passport handed back. I then give passport and boarding pass to female assistant 1 foot away who looks at me and says thanks. Walk 1 foot forward, another chap inspects pass, tears the stub and lets me go to another scanner for hand luggage. Other side of scanner get asked for boarding pass and passport again.
Finally get on aircraft wondering if the hosties will ask me again. Get off a/c, passport required at bridge, again at UK immigration. What the hell is going on?
I have done 16 sectors with TK this year - I know it has nothing to do with them but if this continues I am seriously considering not flying to see my colleagues and doing everything by Skype! If I am good for boarding at BJV, why be asked and checked a dozen times in between?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:27 am

Quoting leej (Reply 139):
Same at LHR yesterday. UK immigration met us on TK 1991 22nd October. Announcement on aircraft to have passports ready on disembarkation. Great I thought, get my bags and go. No way. So why, on a flight from BJV-IST-LHR do I have to:
Bags scanned on entry to BJV. Drop bag at BJV (after showing passport at drop whilst queueing in normal check-in). Re-scan and passport check before departure lounge. At gate, passport/boarding pass check. Arrive IST domestic. Between domestic and int'l terminal get stopped 'are you connecting'? Passport checked and questioned 'did I pack bag myself? Bit bloody late as same question asked 2 hours earlier at BJV. A sticker put on my passport. My bag is in transit anyway (hopefully). Why ask mid-way? Then through passport control IST, 10 mins for duty free. To gate 222. At gate passport asked for with boarding pass. Passport man says are you Mr XXX? Yes I reply, have just given it to you. 'Can you look me in the face' he asks. Curious look given by him and passport handed back. I then give passport and boarding pass to female assistant 1 foot away who looks at me and says thanks. Walk 1 foot forward, another chap inspects pass, tears the stub and lets me go to another scanner for hand luggage. Other side of scanner get asked for boarding pass and passport again.
Finally get on aircraft wondering if the hosties will ask me again. Get off a/c, passport required at bridge, again at UK immigration. What the hell is going on?
I have done 16 sectors with TK this year - I know it has nothing to do with them but if this continues I am seriously considering not flying to see my colleagues and doing everything by Skype! If I am good for boarding at BJV, why be asked and checked a dozen times in between?

Unfortunately this is where anti-Turkish (or more correctly xenophobic) attitudes of governments throughout Europe have come to. Every Turk (or Turkish citizen to be PC) is a potential criminal, trying to get to Europe to steal, kill, or to become an illegal immigrant, and they have to be checked and rechecked. Of course with better intel sharing, more resources and a logical profiling methodology they can save the majority the pain, but why bother, since the ones inconvenienced are just Turkish citizen anyway (or their "sympathisers" traveling to Turkey)? Blanket checks are much easier (although unlikely to succeed in spotting the real criminal) and cheaper (!). Just put a guy who will ask if your true name is the one on the passport, or if your bags are indeed yours, and voila, you've stopped crime and terrorism!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:27 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 140):
Unfortunately this is where anti-Turkish (or more correctly xenophobic) attitudes of governments throughout Europe have come to

Over 80% of illegal immigrants entering the Republic of Cyprus come from the north of the island, since Turkey allows pretty much anyone to enter the country. Same with Greece and the Evros region.
I am sorry but the European 'xenophobia' is not unjustified.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:36 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 140):
Of course with better intel sharing, more resources and a logical profiling methodology they can save the majority the pain, but why bother, since the ones inconvenienced are just Turkish citizen anyway (or their "sympathisers" traveling to Turkey)? Blanket checks are much easier (although unlikely to succeed in spotting the real criminal) and cheaper (!).

Totally agree with you. Well said...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:14 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 140):
Unfortunately this is where anti-Turkish (or more correctly xenophobic) attitudes of governments

I dont think its anti anything ! Indians say the same so do Africans etc.. etc... Ive heard it from many different people who dont like it. Plain fact is freedom of travel is dependant on your countries status and agreements with other countries. If you are an EU Citizen then you are free to travel anywhere in the EU without long checks ( at the moment ) This may change the way things are going also.

If you go to the USA/Canada/Australia you are also subject to their inspections and laws, me also . If I dont want to go through it I decide not to visit that country end of. I personally avoid countries that ask me to submit photos and buy expensive Visas as I dont need to go to a country that badly. On arrival in Turkey I am asked to pay cash over the counter to buy a so called ''Visa'' and I am also subject to the checks. I dont bitch about it I just go through the motions as its my choice to travel and accept the rules laid down by the Turkish authorities.

I have been stopped in ZRH by Swiss border police checking passports as I got off my flight ATH-ZRH , is that anti Greek ? No just the Swiss excercising their right to check anyone coming into their country .
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:14 am

Quoting colts001 (Reply 110):
TK has been saying for a long time that Hyderabad (HYD) is going to be there 3rd destination in India

Any one know if TK is actually planning expansion in India, or was this a "happy" journalist back from a junket with TK? From what I hear, the loads on their existing BOM/DEL flights are not very high.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:58 am

TK CEO stating carrier will add 10 routes to Europe and 10 routes on its medium- and long-haul sectors. New routes to Australia will be deferred according to this http://www.airlinenewseurope.com/201...kish-airlines-massive-widebody.htm I'm guessing this is 2012 talk ? i also came across this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Taoyuan_International_Airport . KLM happen to be the only European airline operating to TPE Could this be a market for TK to tap into one day ? Taiwan has some 23+ million population your thoughts ? .......
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:57 am

Turkish has officially been mentioning Manila as a new route. On their website it says the following:

01.07.2010
The Incorporation has decided to start operating Istanbul-Manila-Istanbul route in the year 2011, based on aircraft availability.

What is the actual status? I suppose it's not going to be until at least W12 as S12 is low season and probably not the best time to start up.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:27 pm

Here is a story about the massive wide-body capacity THY added in 2010-2011 and how it has created network issues, as many long-haul routes did not have transit enough feed.
They plan to utilize 2012 to better align traffic flows.

Turkish Airlines: Massive widebody expansion created network instability
http://atwonline.com/news/turkish-ai...ated-network-instability-1024?

Off course part of the problem besides the massive capacity growth is also challenges at IST. There is only so much well timed connectivity that can be offered due to the physical and ATC restrictions during the peak long-haul arrival and departure banks at the airport.

Story also mentions, plans for Australia service has been but on hold. I guess that is a reason why TK just recently entered into a code-share agreement with TG to feed Australia via BKK.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:34 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 147):
Here is a story about the massive wide-body capacity THY added in 2010-2011 and how it has created network issues, as many long-haul routes did not have transit enough feed.

Looking from a distance, I can see that there is an asymmetry in the scheduling of the widebody equipment with a lot of early morning arrivals but not enough morning and afternoon departures, resulting in a large number of widebody aircraft either sitting in IST for the day or being deployed on atypical European sectors, where A321 equipment would actually perfectly do the job.

This apparent asymmetry results from a disproportionately large number of flights with a double overnight pattern, even to destinations that are typically not flown in such operational patterns when originating from Europe. ICN, PEK, PVG and KIX are examples of routes that are flown in a double overnight pattern, but for which the airline could actually perfectly operate an afternoon IST departure followed by a daylight return and a late afternoon IST arrival, putting the aircraft in line for a late evening departure to those destinations that warrant a double overnight pattern such as BKK SGN, SIN CGK and JNB CPT. I also believe that changing IST GRU into a double overnight IST GRU EZE operation may actually improve yields on this route.

All of that would considerably improve the utilization of widebody resources and allow the airline to squeeze more longhaul utilization out of these aircraft. It would also allow TK to open at least one more North America roundtrip without negatively impacting operational stability.

The problem with such a move, however, seems to be the structure of the IST hub and the way European feed is organized, i.e. with a strong focus on morning and early afternoon departures from IST and a late afternoon and evening return into IST. In order to establish sufficient connectivity to a late afternoon longhaul arrivals bank, TK would likely have to somewhat restructure its European and other short and midhaul operations.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2011

Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:43 pm

First aircraft (TC-IZC) for Air Berlin Turkey:
http://www.airporthaber.com/iste-air-berlin-turkey--35902h.html
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