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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:16 am

Quoting ordramper98 (Reply 49):
I'm pretty sure they were expiring leases. There are now 93 PMUA 757's. Not sure how many are leaving in the near future, but have heard rumors from several co-workers that the number was 10. (this was before these last 3 left the fleet).

This is pure speculation...but I just wonder if these planes had to go back because the lessor had sold the 757's to FedEx.

FedEx has been gobbling up used 757's like crazy. Delta learned this when (3) of its early model 757's on lease had to go back to the lessor because it had reached a sale deal with FedEx. Delta promptly bought several of its 757's off lease, including some ex-Northwest 757's that were stored. It was explained to me that Delta did this to keep FedEx out.

Meantime N583UA is still flying tonight. IAD-SFO.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N583UA

N584UA is an owned aircraft but it shows its last flight into IAH on 10/3. The other 2 are leased.

[Edited 2011-10-13 18:24:20]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:24 am

Quoting BAe146 (Reply 43):
Skywest CRJ-200 N943SW is now painted.
Quoting Ford3motor (Reply 46):
827UA flying to GLH tonight.
Quoting ordramper98 (Reply 47):
Three 757 have now been retired. 542, 582, & 583 unfortunately are gone
Quoting ordramper98 (Reply 47):
Also Mesa 512MJ has been in new paint for awhile

I have removed only N582UA from the total as the other two were flying during the past few days.


United
A319 (22/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 821, 824, 826-827, 830, 833-834 [2], 838-844 [7], 848, 852-854 [3].
A320 (45/97) 404-405 [2], 409-410 [2], 413, 415-416 [2], 418-422 [5], 424, 425, 427-430 [4], 432-434[3], 435-439 [5], 443-444[2], 446, 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (31/95) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-508 [3], 514, 518, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 535, 537, 542, 547-548 [2], 560, 565-566 [2], 568-570 [3], 572, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (12/35) 643-644 [2], 647, 652-653 [2], 656, 663, 668-669 [2], 673, 675, 677
B772 (29/52) 209, 210-214 [5], 216-217 [2], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.

Total United (142/358) = 39.66%

Continental
B735 (25/29) 27610, 11612-17614 [3], 16617, 17619-24633 [15], 16642, 16645-16648 [4].
B73G (34/36) 16701-27724/39726-27734 [33], 13750. [Only 2 Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (98/130) 24202, 35204-36207 [4], 33209-14214 [6], 12216-17229 [14], 14231-27239 [9], 54241-27246 [6], 13248, 14250, 37253, 76256, 77258, 35260-33262 [3], 38268, 73276, 73278-39297 [20], 73299. 78501-76502, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) COMPLETED.
B762 (8/8) COMPLETED.
B764 (16/16) COMPLETED.
B772 (22/22) COMPLETED.

Total Continental (301/348) = 86.49%

United Express
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (0/22)
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (5/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 512MJ. 513MJ, 515MJ
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (9/63) 910SW, 917SW, 919SW, 920SW, 926SW, 930SW, 943SW, 954SW, 956SW
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Saab 340B Colgan (0/9)

Total United Express (14/306) = 4.57%

Continental Connection/Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (83/104) 18101-11150 [50], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166-12167 [2], 16170-12172 [3], 11176, 14179-11184 [6], 14188, 27190-21197 [8], 11199, 12201-14204 [4]
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (65/116) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575; 14916, 17928, 15932-14933 [2], 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 13949-22971 [23], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 13988, 14991, 13995, 13997
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
Q200 CommutAir (5/16) 358PH, 363PH, 367PH, 369PH, 375PH
Q300 CommutAir (4/5) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA, 876CA. (1 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (30/30) COMPLETED.
Saab 340B Colgan (1/11) 362PX

Total Continental Express/Connection (188/312) = 60.26%

Total Express (202/618) = 32.68%

TOTAL (646/1,324) - 48.79%
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New First & Business Seats for United International Widebodies
Includes new Y class carpeting, bulkheads & cloth seat covers

B744 (24/24-100%) - Complete

B763 (21/21-100%) - Complete

B763 (2 Cabin) (0/14-0%)

B772* (22/46-48%) 209, 216-217, 222-224[3], 226-228[3], 773, 777, 781-785 [5], 787, 788, 794, 797

TOTAL (67/105-64%)

* Includes Weber 5751 cloth seats with power ports in 3-3-3 configuration and new larger PTVs with AVOD and winged headrests. 777 fleet reconfiguration should be complete by 2013.


New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for Continental International Fleet
Not including GUM based aircraft.

B752 (41/41-100%) - Complete
B764 (0/12-0%)
B772 (22/22-100%) - Complete

TOTAL (63/75-84%)
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:21 am

Its seems odd that that from all types the fleet flagship has the lowest percentage of repainting yet. Are the 744 so heavily utilized in comparison to other planes they couldnt be repainted? Which are the next ones scheduled to get the CO globe?
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting na (Reply 52):
Are the 744 so heavily utilized in comparison to other planes they couldnt be repainted?

I'm sure they are -- and there are fewer of that type for substitutions, yes?
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:27 pm

n7371f,

I guess I posted too early. I knew 583 was flying IAD-SFO as it's last flight, but I thought it had landed already. 542 had its last revenue flight on 10-11. Also I never brought up N584UA. The three that were retired in the last 2 weeks were 542, 582, & 583

[Edited 2011-10-14 14:40:28]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:44 pm

Quoting ordramper98 (Reply 54):
n7371f,

I guess I posted too early. I knew 583 was flying IAD-SFO as it's last flight, but I thought it had landed already. 542 had its last revenue flight on 10-11. Also I never brought up N584UA. The three that were retired in the last 2 weeks were 542, 582, & 583

Cool, thanks...Did 584 really go through its decommish at IAH? Wonder who that plane is being sold to...
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:06 pm

584 is still part of the fleet. It must be in IAH for maintenance. The PMUA 757's are now getting maintenance done on them in IAH & MCO by CO.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:59 pm

Quoting ordramper98 (Reply 56):
584 is still part of the fleet. It must be in IAH for maintenance. The PMUA 757's are now getting maintenance done on them in IAH & MCO by CO.

Will that mean UA scheduling more birds thru IAH? Or will they just use the single daily 757s via ORD/DEN/SFO?
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:42 am

Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. I just see that they are going to IAH & MCO for maintenance. I don't even know what checks are being done at either place. Maybe someone else on here can answer those questions.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:41 am

So, would this now be correct for the three Boeing 757 retirements? Presumably they'll position to the desert for storage soon?

N542UA Boeing 757-222 lsf GA Telesis, wfu 09 October 2011, last service UA555 ORD-SFO
N582UA Boeing 757-222 lsf ?, wfu 12 September 2011, last service UA735 DEN-SFO
N583UA Boeing 757-222 lsf ?, wfu 13 October 2011, last service UA915 IAD-SFO
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:53 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 59):
So, would this now be correct for the three Boeing 757 retirements? Presumably they'll position to the desert for storage soon?

N542UA Boeing 757-222 lsf GA Telesis, wfu 09 October 2011, last service UA555 ORD-SFO
N582UA Boeing 757-222 lsf ?, wfu 12 September 2011, last service UA735 DEN-SFO
N583UA Boeing 757-222 lsf ?, wfu 13 October 2011, last service UA915 IAD-SFO

In other CO-UA threads, it had been proposed that the 739ER was capable of flying a good number of the missions currently flown by 757s -- though obviously not trans-Atlantic nor Hawaii.

Could this be the first evidence the ER will be displacing 757s?
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:10 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 60):
In other CO-UA threads, it had been proposed that the 739ER was capable of flying a good number of the missions currently flown by 757s -- though obviously not trans-Atlantic nor Hawaii.

Could this be the first evidence the ER will be displacing 757s?

Remember UA and CO have over 130 752s and at least the PMCO ones will stay in the fleet for maybe another decade. Since the PMUA 752s operate a lot of domestic flights, the 739ER can swap out for these routes without much penalty. One might expect the merged carrier to move PMUA 752s into EWR for some transcons and PMCO 738/739ER aircraft into the ORD and DEN hub for midcon type flights. The ultimate decision for replacement of the 752 fleet will depend most likely on the 737MAX and 320NEO, even though these new aircraft may not be able to replace the 752 on any or all TATL flights now flown with 752s.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:06 pm

Yes, the 757s time at United is starting to wind down.

UA has dozen or so frames with lease terminations in the next year, they most likely will get returned.

I would also not be surprised to see owned frames start to exit as well once heavy checks come due, or they can be sold to others.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 60):
though obviously not trans-Atlantic nor Hawaii.

739ERs operate to Hawaii regularly.

During most of the summer one of the LAX-HNL was a 739ER.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:50 am

Does anyone have any exact details on whether these lease cancellations where driven by UA or the lessor?
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:52 am

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 63):
Does anyone have any exact details on whether these lease cancellations where driven by UA or the lessor?

IIRC, these are timing out on their own.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:23 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 62):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 60):
though obviously not trans-Atlantic nor Hawaii.

739ERs operate to Hawaii regularly.

During most of the summer one of the LAX-HNL was a 739ER.

That may be the case, but the 739ER has a payload problem with headwinds and ETOPS fuel requirements. My wife and I got bumped last spring off a LAX-HNL 739ER which went out with about 120 passengers, leaving behind 20 or more NRSAs. I believe the problem is not the MGTOW (about 15K# more than the 738), but that CO didn't take 1 or 2 of the aux tanks offered by Boeing. So, the aircraft takes off under gross because with full tanks it can't carry more weight to HNL with fuel reserve requirements. FYI, the extra seats if loaded with pax and bags plus the extra weight of the aircraft (vs. 738) would allow for about 1 aux tank's worth of fuel to stay under MGTOW vs. the 738.
I don't believe AS flies the 739ER to Hawaii. If the aircraft isn't equiped, then maybe AS saw the limitations as you would think the extra pax would add revenue on the low-yield Hawaiian market.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:29 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 65):
I don't believe AS flies the 739ER to Hawaii.

Alaska doesn't fly the 737-900ER period. I don't believe their ERs are on property yet.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:36 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 65):
That may be the case, but the 739ER has a payload problem with headwinds and ETOPS fuel requirements. My wife and I got bumped last spring off a LAX-HNL 739ER which went out with about 120 passengers, leaving behind 20 or more NRSAs. I believe the problem is not the MGTOW (about 15K# more than the 738), but that CO didn't take 1 or 2 of the aux tanks offered by Boeing. So, the aircraft takes off under gross because with full tanks it can't carry more weight to HNL with fuel reserve requirements. FYI, the extra seats if loaded with pax and bags plus the extra weight of the aircraft (vs. 738) would allow for about 1 aux tank's worth of fuel to stay under MGTOW vs. the 738.
I don't believe AS flies the 739ER to Hawaii. If the aircraft isn't equiped, then maybe AS saw the limitations as you would think the extra pax would add revenue on the low-yield Hawaiian market.

That's bad news for some UA routings like BOS-SFO/LAX. A 739ER would take a payload hit during the winter for certain. There have even been diversons on EWR-LAX from time to time with the 739ER.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:18 pm

AS flies 737-800's for most West Coast-Hawaii flights. They also fly the 737-700's from ANC to Hawaii.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:23 pm

When they add economy plus that will reduce the seating capacity (weight) of the aircraft which will improve range a bit. CO has been flying 737-900ERs between EWR and SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, PHX and SAN for a few years and I've never seen any numbers pointing towards a high diversion rate. You here more about B6 A320 diversions on trans-cons.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 67):
That's bad news for some UA routings like BOS-SFO/LAX. A 739ER would take a payload hit during the winter for certain. There have even been diversons on EWR-LAX from time to time with the 739ER.

Not necessarily. LAX-HNL is a different case because of mandatory ETOPS reserves for the overwater haul. BOS-SFO/LAX is not subject to such stringent restriction and realistically can support 737-800/900ER operations without heavy penalties.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:54 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 70):
Not necessarily. LAX-HNL is a different case because of mandatory ETOPS reserves for the overwater haul. BOS-SFO/LAX is not subject to such stringent restriction and realistically can support 737-800/900ER operations without heavy penalties.

BOS-SFO/LAX can definitely do 738, but 739 would be iffy. I think you'll see 757s on these routes for a while.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 66):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 65):
I don't believe AS flies the 739ER to Hawaii.

Alaska doesn't fly the 737-900ER period. I don't believe their ERs are on property yet.

But they used to fly the 739A.

Back in the days when AS had a station at Washington-Dulles, they used to fill them up.
I also remember that when winter came, they pulled them and replaced them with 73Gs.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:17 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 71):
BOS-SFO/LAX can definitely do 738, but 739 would be iffy. I think you'll see 757s on these routes for a while.

This sounds a bit like the early criticisms of US-East's A321 transcons. First reports were that the "European" plane was hop-scotching across the continent making regular tech stops and they were forbidden at DEN because of high-hot issues.

The fact that AC was flying A321s coast-to-coast and flying they out of YYC (with similar altitude to DEN) and clearing the Rockies did little to dissuade doubters.

I've flown AS 's first-generation 739As IAD-SEA and ANC-SEA, so I know they can do the deed under ideal conditions
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:41 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 72):
But they used to fly the 739A.

My error -- AS still has 12 739-990s

All were delivered between May 2001 and September 2003.

Even though all were delivered without winglets, 9 frames have since been retrofitted with winglets.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:45 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 73):
I've flown AS 's first-generation 739As IAD-SEA and ANC-SEA, so I know they can do the deed under ideal conditions

Then why have CO's diverted during the past few winters on transcons from EWR? I recall one last year that diverted on CLE-LAX as well.

Not saying the 739 isn't capable, it's just not as capable as the 757. The 739 would be perfect machine for many ORD routings.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:14 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 75):
Then why have CO's diverted during the past few winters on transcons from EWR? I recall one last year that diverted on CLE-LAX as well.

That's not a common event though. It happens yes - especially when prevailing winds are slamming everybody - its a good chance that those days you see a 739 divert there will be other diversions across the board for Boeing and Airbus narrowbodies. Hence...the never ending argument about what replaces a 757.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:42 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 75):
The 739 would be perfect machine for many ORD routings.

Don't mistake me for a 757 hater -- I am certainly not that.

However, I do say "Welcome to the club!" to the 739 series -- with whatever configuration.

As is being pointed out -- there are missions perfect for that airframe just as there are missions perfect for others.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:10 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 68):
They also fly the 737-700's from ANC to Hawaii.

No they don't; the -700s aren't ETOPS, and they don't fly them from here to HI.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 73):
I've flown AS 's first-generation 739As IAD-SEA and ANC-SEA,

ANC-SEA is only a 3-3.5 hour flight; hardly a range test for any in-production mainliner.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:02 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 78):
ANC-SEA is only a 3-3.5 hour flight; hardly a range test for any in-production mainliner.

You know -- my one and only AS ANC-SEA 739A flight was an overnight redeye and crossed one time zone, so it seemed longer than that.

Regardless -- I still respect the airframe.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:48 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 79):
Regardless -- I still respect the airframe.

Indeed... I have the fortuitous luxury of working on them (737NG) for a living.. trust me, you'd respect them even more were you in my shoes!
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:55 pm

Back on topic, anybody notice any further equipment swaps between CO and UA aircraft for the fall? I saw a random 738 (one day, one way only) on EWR-IAD on 11/6 or 11/7. That has to be the first narrowbody flown on the route in years.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:23 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 81):
Back on topic, anybody notice any further equipment swaps between CO and UA aircraft for the fall? I saw a random 738 (one day, one way only) on EWR-IAD on 11/6 or 11/7. That has to be the first narrowbody flown on the route in years.

It happens from time to time. Just recently, a CO 757-200 operated EWR-IAD on 9/29 (or thereabouts) to position for the then-new second IAD-CDG frequency.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:28 pm

On a related note, I would've thought that CO/UA would have begun to funnel more traffic via IAD from IAH. IAH-IAD has remained pretty stagnant in terms of capacity - in the sense that it is still heavy RJ with some 737 and 319 in there.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:53 pm

PMUA paint update...

B777 (2-class)

214UA leaving VCV tomorrow (10/19).
215UA (non blue and white, and the last of the six 2-class 777s to be painted) flying to VCV tomorrow.

A320

425UA exited 10/17.

A319

829UA (non blue and white) entered paint shop at GLH 10/17.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:24 pm

Quoting Ford3motor (Reply 84):
215UA (non blue and white, and the last of the six 2-class 777s to be painted) flying to VCV tomorrow.

Sweet, new logo for my HNL>ORD flight next week.

What is the schedule for the UA RJ's? Seems unbelievably slow. Does this have to do with contract negotiation?
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting Ford3motor (Reply 84):
PMUA paint update...

B777 (2-class)

214UA leaving VCV tomorrow (10/19).
215UA (non blue and white, and the last of the six 2-class 777s to be painted) flying to VCV tomorrow.

I forgot that this wasn't the "739ER range question" thread.

While we're on the subject of getting off topic, I'd like to hear an update on the progress of other parts of the merger, namely, how the new United branding is working its way into the system.
I flew United this weekend (CO on the flight out and UA on the way back) and even though both planes wore the new livery on the first flight, everything else about that leg was still like flying CO.
On the way back, I noticed that the United club has the new logo up, but pretty much everything else still has the tulip.

Anyone have more details?
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:01 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 59):
N542UA Boeing 757-222 lsf GA Telesis, wfu 09 October 2011, last service UA555 ORD-SFO
N582UA Boeing 757-222 lsf ?, wfu 12 September 2011, last service UA735 DEN-SFO
N583UA Boeing 757-222 lsf ?, wfu 13 October 2011, last service UA915 IAD-SFO
Quoting Ford3motor (Reply 84):
215UA (non blue and white, and the last of the six 2-class 777s to be painted) flying to VCV tomorrow.
Quoting Ford3motor (Reply 84):
829UA (non blue and white) entered paint shop at GLH 10/17.

Does anyone know why the former CO change to UA titles has stalled on the remaining 47 aircraft?

United
A319 (23/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 821, 824, 826-827 [2], 829-830 [2], 833-834 [2], 838-844 [7], 848, 852-854 [3].
A320 (45/97) 404-405 [2], 409-410 [2], 413, 415-416 [2], 418-422 [5], 424, 425, 427-430 [4], 432-434[3], 435-439 [5], 443-444[2], 446, 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (30/93) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-508 [3], 514, 518, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 535, 537, 547-548 [2], 560, 565-566 [2], 568-570 [3], 572, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (12/35) 643-644 [2], 647, 652-653 [2], 656, 663, 668-669 [2], 673, 675, 677
B772 (30/52) 209-217 [9], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.

Total United (143/356) = 40.16%

Continental
B735 (25/29) 27610, 11612-17614 [3], 16617, 17619-24633 [15], 16642, 16645-16648 [4].
B73G (34/36) 16701-27724/39726-27734 [33], 13750. [Only 2 Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (98/130) 24202, 35204-36207 [4], 33209-14214 [6], 12216-17229 [14], 14231-27239 [9], 54241-27246 [6], 13248, 14250, 37253, 76256, 77258, 35260-33262 [3], 38268, 73276, 73278-39297 [20], 73299. 78501-76502, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) COMPLETED.
B762 (8/8) COMPLETED.
B764 (16/16) COMPLETED.
B772 (22/22) COMPLETED.

Total Continental (301/348) = 86.49%

United Express
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (0/22)
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (5/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 512MJ. 513MJ, 515MJ
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (9/63) 910SW, 917SW, 919SW, 920SW, 926SW, 930SW, 943SW, 954SW, 956SW
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Saab 340B Colgan (0/9)

Total United Express (14/306) = 4.57%

Continental Connection/Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (83/104) 18101-11150 [50], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166-12167 [2], 16170-12172 [3], 11176, 14179-11184 [6], 14188, 27190-21197 [8], 11199, 12201-14204 [4]
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (65/116) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575; 14916, 17928, 15932-14933 [2], 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 13949-22971 [23], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 13988, 14991, 13995, 13997
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
Q200 CommutAir (5/16) 358PH, 363PH, 367PH, 369PH, 375PH
Q300 CommutAir (4/5) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA, 876CA. (1 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (30/30) COMPLETED.
Saab 340B Colgan (1/11) 362PX

Total Continental Express/Connection (188/312) = 60.26%

Total Express (202/618) = 32.68%

TOTAL (646/1,322) - 48.86%
__________________________________________________________________________


New First & Business Seats for United International Widebodies
Includes new Y class carpeting, bulkheads & cloth seat covers

B744 (24/24-100%) - Complete

B763 (21/21-100%) - Complete

B763 (2 Cabin) (0/14-0%)

B772* (22/46-48%) 209, 216-217, 222-224[3], 226-228[3], 773, 777, 781-785 [5], 787, 788, 794, 797

TOTAL (67/105-64%)

* Includes Weber 5751 cloth seats with power ports in 3-3-3 configuration and new larger PTVs with AVOD and winged headrests. 777 fleet reconfiguration should be complete by 2013.


New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for Continental International Fleet
Not including GUM based aircraft.

B752 (41/41-100%) - Complete
B764 (0/12-0%)
B772 (22/22-100%) - Complete

TOTAL (63/75-84%)
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:47 pm

"N446UA at ORD since 22 June." by qfatwa United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 6

Could anyone confirm if Airbus A320 N446UA is actually in the 2010 cs, please? If photos on the internet have the correct dates attached to them, then this is still in the 2004 cs and so would need to be removed from the list.

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 87):
A320 (45/97) 404-405 [2], 409-410 [2], 413, 415-416 [2], 418-422 [5], 424, 425, 427-430 [4], 432-434[3], 435-439 [5], 443-444[2], 446, 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:10 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 86):
I flew United this weekend (CO on the flight out and UA on the way back) and even though both planes wore the new livery on the first flight, everything else about that leg was still like flying CO.

I would agree that everyone seems to have reached a comfort level with themselves and each brand has service that makes them comfortable. For instance, I flew UA 653 (a 757) on October 8th and CO 1157 (a 757) last Saturday, and though in each case I was upgraded to the front, neither crew was trying to be anything but themselves. So far there has been no attempt to rationalize service.

And It has been a while since I was on a flight where service (who got served first) was organized around the number of asterisks you have on the Purser's printout.

[Edited 2011-10-19 14:26:44]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:08 pm

Skywest CRJ-200 N935SW is now painted.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:15 pm

I would agree that everyone seems to have reached a comfort level with themselves and each brand has service that makes them comfortable. For instance, I flew UA 653 (a 757) on October 8th and CO 1157 (a 757) last Saturday, and though in each case I was upgraded to the front, neither crew was trying to be anything but themselves. So far there has been no attempt to rationalize service. [/quote]

Could you explain further? (route, service differences, food etc?)
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:12 pm

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 87):
Continental
B735 (25/29) 27610, 11612-17614 [3], 16617, 17619-24633 [15], 16642, 16645-16648 [4].

The four Boeing 737-500 aircraft that have yet to recieve the new (2010) cs are those below. I remember reading that the active fleet at the end of the year would be 25, so presumably these four are the next to go? Two of these have not flown for a little while. Have they already been wfu?

N14604 27317/2576 Boeing 737-524(WL) F8Y106 0604 Active
N58606 27319/2590 Boeing 737-524(WL) F8Y106 0606 Active
N11641 28902/2926 Boeing 737-524(WL) F8Y106 0641 Last picked up… 19 September 2011 IAD-IAH
N16649 28910/2972 Boeing 737-524(WL) F8Y106 0649 Last picked up… 11 October 2011 CMH-IAH

Information from Flightaware

[Edited 2011-10-20 09:14:03]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 91):
Could you explain further? (route, service differences, food etc?)

No differences from the previous services I've had?

Not sure what answers you want -- it's the wrong place to look for a trip report (if that's what you want) and I am not a service detective (yes, there are such things.).
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:53 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 93):

I meant what made each UA and CO crew into "themselves" with no attempt to rationalize service? Your response was a little vague.
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:23 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 94):
I meant what made each UA and CO crew into "themselves" with no attempt to rationalize service? Your response was a little vague.

Yes I know. I wasn't attempting to be comprehensive -- just responding to the previous post.

Well . . . since I fly CO-COEx and UA-UAX about 50% 50% and have become accustomed to the order in which cabin personal go about their tasks, I've seen very few crossovers -- like common china and glassware; common food entrees, or even common coffee.

Btw, the flights I mentioned -- UA653 (arrived in LAX as UA470) was LAX-IAD -- then RON on Oct 8th.
CO1157 (arrived in MIA as CO1181) was MIA-EWR -- then flew off as redeye CO114 on Oct 15th.

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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:31 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 92):
N14604 27317/2576 Boeing 737-524(WL) F8Y106 0604 Active

I hope this one is parked- that airplane is junk! Last time I flew on her in 1A, I could hear the engine through the window... and the air going by... it needed re-sealed BADLY. The rest of the cabin was a bit tatty, and the wing looked like it hadn't been washed in ages. Lots of skydrol streaks.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:07 pm

Skywest CRJ-200 N927SW is now painted.
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:26 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 88):
Could anyone confirm if Airbus A320 N446UA is actually in the 2010 cs, please?

Removed from list.

Quoting BAe146 (Reply 90):
Skywest CRJ-200 N935SW is now painted
Quoting BAe146 (Reply 97):
Skywest CRJ-200 N927SW is now painted

United
A319 (23/55) 801-803 [3], 807, 821, 824, 826-827 [2], 829-830 [2], 833-834 [2], 838-844 [7], 848, 852-854 [3].
A320 (44/97) 404-405 [2], 409-410 [2], 413, 415-416 [2], 418-422 [5], 424, 425, 427-430 [4], 432-434[3], 435-439 [5], 443-444[2], 454, 456-469 [14], 475. [Note - N475UA is retrojet].
B744 (3/24) 119, 127-128 [2].
B752 (30/93) 501, 503-504 [2], 506-508 [3], 514, 518, 521-522 [2], 524, 528-529 [2], 535, 537, 547-548 [2], 560, 565-566 [2], 568-570 [3], 572, 580, 584, 587-588 [2], 594, 597.
B763 (12/35) 643-644 [2], 647, 652-653 [2], 656, 663, 668-669 [2], 673, 675, 677
B772 (30/52) 209-217 [9], 219-226 [8], 768, 771, 773-774 [2], 777-781 [5], 788, 792, 797, 799.

Total United (142/356) = 39.88.16%

Continental
B735 (25/29) 27610, 11612-17614 [3], 16617, 17619-24633 [15], 16642, 16645-16648 [4].
B73G (34/36) 16701-27724/39726-27734 [33], 13750. [Only 2 Pacific based aircraft remain].
B738 (98/130) 24202, 35204-36207 [4], 33209-14214 [6], 12216-17229 [14], 14231-27239 [9], 54241-27246 [6], 13248, 14250, 37253, 76256, 77258, 35260-33262 [3], 38268, 73276, 73278-39297 [20], 73299. 78501-76502, 87507- 87531 [25].
B739 (36/45) 75410-73445 [36]. [Note - N75436 is retrojet].
B752 (41/41) COMPLETED.
B753 (21/21) COMPLETED.
B762 (8/8) COMPLETED.
B764 (16/16) COMPLETED.
B772 (22/22) COMPLETED.

Total Continental (301/348) = 86.49%

United Express
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (0/22)
ERJ-145 Trans States (0/17)
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (0/38)
CRJ-700 GoJet (0/25)
CRJ-700 Mesa (5/20) 508MJ, 510MJ, 512MJ. 513MJ, 515MJ
CRJ-200 ASA (0/16)
CRJ-200 SkyWest (11/63) 910SW, 917SW, 919SW-920SW [2], 926SW-927SW [2], 930SW, 934SW-935SW [2], 954SW, 956SW
CRJ-700 SkyWest (0/70)
EMB-120 SkyWest (0/26)
Saab 340B Colgan (0/9)

Total United Express (16/306) = 5.22%

Continental Connection/Express
ATR 42-320 (1/2) 14834
B1900D Gulfstream (0/21)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (83/104) 18101-11150 [50], 27152-12157 [6], 14162, 12166-12167 [2], 16170-12172 [3], 11176, 14179-11184 [6], 14188, 27190-21197 [8], 11199, 12201-14204 [4]
ERJ-145 ExpressJet (65/116) 11548-14558 [11], 12564-12567 [4], 15572, 10575; 14916, 17928, 15932-14933 [2], 13935, 14937-14939 [3], 15941, 14943-14945 [3], 13949-22971 [23], 15973-13975 [3], 13978-13980 [3], 17984-17986 [3], 13988, 14991, 13995, 13997
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (0/8)*
Q200 CommutAir (5/16) 358PH, 363PH, 367PH, 369PH, 375PH
Q300 CommutAir (4/5) 837CA-838CA [2], 857CA, 876CA. (1 to be delivered and painted)
Q400 Colgan (30/30) COMPLETED.
Saab 340B Colgan (1/11) 362PX

Total Continental Express/Connection (188/312) = 60.26%

Total Express (204/618) = 33%

TOTAL (647/1,322) - 48.94%
__________________________________________________________________________


New First & Business Seats for United International Widebodies
Includes new Y class carpeting, bulkheads & cloth seat covers

B744 (24/24-100%) - Complete

B763 (21/21-100%) - Complete

B763 (2 Cabin) (0/14-0%)

B772* (22/46-48%) 209, 216-217, 222-224[3], 226-228[3], 773, 777, 781-785 [5], 787, 788, 794, 797

TOTAL (67/105-64%)

* Includes Weber 5751 cloth seats with power ports in 3-3-3 configuration and new larger PTVs with AVOD and winged headrests. 777 fleet reconfiguration should be complete by 2013.


New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for Continental International Fleet
Not including GUM based aircraft.

B752 (41/41-100%) - Complete
B764 (0/12-0%)
B772 (22/22-100%) - Complete

TOTAL (63/75-84%)

[Edited 2011-10-20 21:28:57]
 
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RE: United/Continental Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 7

Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:49 pm

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 87):
Does anyone know why the former CO change to UA titles has stalled on the remaining 47 aircraft?

It looks to me like they're probably up to the point where most of the remaining aircraft aren't going to be in the fleet long enough to justify repainting. Particularly the -900's- it looks like none of the non-ERs have been repainted.
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