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Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:12 am

I flew on a Delta 5500 series 757 for the first time today from TPA-ATL. These are the older ex-NW 757's with 8 doors instead of 10. The interiors, as others have mentioned, are pretty worn. Does anyone know if there are still plans to upgrade these with new bins, seats, lighting, etc? The last I heard of anything with DL's 757s is that the pre-merger Delta 757's without PTVs would be getting LCDs to replace the overhead CRT monitors. I believe this did not include the ex-NW 757s as they do not have IFE at all.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:25 am

I was supposed to fly on one of those on ATL-MSY next month but my flight got switched to a 5600 series a/c, according to the seat map anyway. How do the 5500's compare to the 5600's in Y?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:49 am

As we all know anything pre-merger NW is inferior to anything pre-merger DL. Both DL and NW had dogs in its fleet.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:55 am

I am wondering if the 5500's will get the new 28F configuration that has been mentioned before. Have not seen one of those yet (but I did get back-to-back 16F MD88's yesterday!).

Also how will the lavatories beside the #2 doors work, with PMNW's on the port side and PMDL's starboard?
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:57 am

functionally there is nothing wrong with the 5500s but they are old (even SMELL old.) The lack of IFE is a drag as well. There was some plan announced that Delta was going to upgrade them to have 28 F and new carpeting, cabin lighting, etc but that might have been put on hold.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:06 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
but my flight got switched to a 5600 series a/c, according to the seat map anyway


One can not really go by the seat map, as there are equipment changes daily. You will only find out for sure at the gate ...
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:22 am

I think they'll be parked and replaced with 737-900ERs before a dollar is spent upgrading them.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:27 am

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 6):
I think they'll be parked and replaced with 737-900ERs before a dollar is spent upgrading them.

I would agree here. I think the 5500s are obvious replacement candidates, along with some older PMDL 752s.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:47 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
I was supposed to fly on one of those on ATL-MSY next month but my flight got switched to a 5600 series a/c, according to the seat map anyway. How do the 5500's compare to the 5600's in Y?

I was scheduled to be on a 5500 last year that was swapped with a 5600 at the last minute. The 5600 seemed to be in much better shape as far as seats, lighting and sidewalls. The overhead bins are small on both the 5500 and 5600 though.

Quoting skymiler (Reply 5):
One can not really go by the seat map, as there are equipment changes daily. You will only find out for sure at the gate ...

Very true! When I bought my ticket, the seatmap showed the 5500 configuration. When I checked in yesterday, it showed the 5600 configuration seatmap. When I boarded today, I noticed it was the 5500 configuration when I saw rows 13-15 in Y. I didn't look out the window before or I would have probably noticed the lack of overwing exits, which is the other clue.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:56 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
How do the 5500's compare to the 5600's in Y?

The 5500 fleet seat-type are the basic flat, bulk seat, that were identical to seats found on the NW 727(if you remember those). But they're nothing special.
The 5600 seats differ by ship# grouping. Ships 5635-5649 are either in the 75A or 75J configuration, with maybe 2 or 3 of them in a domestic configuration. Those aircraft have the slimline seats that are found on some of the A320 and all of the DC9 fleet.
Ships 5650-5657 were the newer 5600's delivered in 2001-2002. They have the thicker seats like the ones found on the 753 fleet. They were the ones with the flatscreen, glare-free monitors, but they're now 75Ns and all had the their video equipment removed with the exception of 5650, which is over in Asia as a 75J, the only one of that group to be deployed there.

Quoting skymiler (Reply 3):
Also how will the lavatories beside the #2 doors work, with PMNW's on the port side and PMDL's starboard?

Can you be more specific? In what what way?
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:45 am

The 5500s got new blue leather seat covers and carpeting (and painted into DL colors) like every PMNW aircraft that is flying currently in the fleet.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:53 pm

There are several "versions" of all the "versions" out there. Delta never met a 757 it didn't like or think they couldn't improve. The "N-series" 5500/5600 a/c called the "Nasty" by the crews have some that sport new laminate, overhead/sidewall paint, etc. The brighter "white" interior is quite fresh and but for the bad bins, hard for most pax to deride.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:31 pm

I just flew a 5500 series MSP-PHX. I didn't think it was as bad as people make them out to be. My only complaint was the extra "bar" on the bins in F. I had to stick my bag over the first row in coach since it wouldn't fit in F. Really not a bad ride up front, but then again, I'm fairly easy to please.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:37 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
I just flew a 5500 series MSP-PHX. I didn't think it was as bad as people make them out to be. My only complaint was the extra "bar" on the bins in F. I had to stick my bag over the first row in coach since it wouldn't fit in F. Really not a bad ride up front, but then again, I'm fairly easy to please.


The bar is a bumper that allows most bags to fit long-ways, handles/wheels in first. Not all bags will fit that way, but most do
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:42 pm

The 5500s will be replaced within five years by 737-900ERs. They will be second in line for replacement after some old PMDL 757s that look a bit nicer on the inside but are closer to the 757 cycles limit. I find it hard to believe that DL would spend any significant money on them -- instead, it will just put them on low-yield, non-premium routes.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:48 pm

How many cycles is the 757 cycles limit?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:49 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
I just flew a 5500 series MSP-PHX. I didn't think it was as bad as people make them out to be. My only complaint was the extra "bar" on the bins in F. I had to stick my bag over the first row in coach since it wouldn't fit in F. Really not a bad ride up front, but then again, I'm fairly easy to please.

I agree. This plane is just fine. But, I usually don't stare at the walls, carpeting or color of the overhead bins. The plane is only as good as the service offered by the crew. Only annoyance is the bar you have to push your rollaboard over.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting mcg (Reply 15):
How many cycles is the 757 cycles limit?

Design Service Goal is 50,000 cycles. The airline would have to devise and get approval for a very expensive special maintenance program to fly them further -- not worth it after 30 years; better to buy new planes. By now the earliest PMDL 757s are in the low to mid-40s. Even if they don't reach 50,000, when they hit a heavy check interval, there won't be enough remaining useful life to make the heavy check worth it.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:12 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 17):

Quoting mcg (Reply 15):
How many cycles is the 757 cycles limit?

Design Service Goal is 50,000 cycles. The airline would have to devise and get approval for a very expensive special maintenance program to fly them further -- not worth it after 30 years; better to buy new planes. By now the earliest PMDL 757s are in the low to mid-40s. Even if they don't reach 50,000, when they hit a heavy check interval, there won't be enough remaining useful life to make the heavy check worth it.

Typically aircraft that are retired are scrapped; parts picked and then the aluminium is recycled. Are there places in the world where the cycle limits and maintenance check systems are ignored? Could these aircraft find their way to somewhere where they might continue to fly?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:33 pm

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 13):
The bar is a bumper that allows most bags to fit long-ways, handles/wheels in first. Not all bags will fit that way, but most do

Why is that bar only in the F bins then?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:36 pm

Keep in mind that most of these 5500s are from the Mid 1980s so they will be out within the next few years. Delta has 757s of their own from the Mid 1980s but they are from a cabin standpoint in better shape. They also stored younger 757s with the intent to save up their cycle hours to wear down the 5500s to retirement.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:06 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
I didn't think it was as bad as people make them out to be.

I don't think they are either, especially the 756s. The bins are a little small, yes, but otherwise they're just as good as the regular PMDL 757s. The 75Xs are a different story, of course.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:36 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 19):
Why is that bar only in the F bins then?

Actually the bars are in all the coach bins except for the one in front of the 2R door.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:42 pm

Quoting b727fa (Reply 11):
The "N-series" 5500/5600 a/c called the "Nasty" by the crews have some that sport new laminate, overhead/sidewall paint, etc. The brighter "white" interior is quite fresh and but for the bad bins, hard for most pax to deride.

Sounds like that might be the extent of the upgrades for these. The one I was on yesterday definitely didn't have these upgrades. The sidewalls and overhead lighting were quite old. I am sure these improvements make a difference. The 5600 series domestic 757 I flew on last year looked good on the inside, except for the overhead bins.

The non-PTV PMDL 757's look good with the extended overhead bins and updated lighting. The only thing that looks dated are the overhead CRT monitors, which supposedly will be replaced soon with LCD screens.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:23 pm

Quoting TR1 (Reply 22):
Actually the bars are in all the coach bins except for the one in front of the 2R door.

Thank you, I was just going to say that.

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 16):
Only annoyance is the bar you have to push your rollaboard over.

The reason behind it is, to suspend the roll-aboard bag edge off the lip ledge of the bin, so the bin could close. We used to take pillows under bag to do that, but the maintenance dept installed those bumpers specifically for that task. The average 22in roll-aboard bags by Travelpro, American Tourister and Samsonite will fit in there just fine, those being the bags it was designed for. For others, with the expandable pouches, the bins have there limits. If your bag doesn't fit, you may need to rethink your packing strategy or buy a smaller bag. When people get these huge, monstrocities for bags, and they force them in there, they sometimes break the bins at hatches, causing delays
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:41 pm

Quoting TR1 (Reply 22):
Actually the bars are in all the coach bins except for the one in front of the 2R door.

Ah! I lucked out and got my bag in that bin just fine, wheels out, like every other plane. I didn't really look around in Y at the other bins.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 24):
If your bag doesn't fit, you may need to rethink your packing strategy or buy a smaller bag.

My packing strategy works just fine, I'll have you know. I'm able to get 10 days worth of stuff + dress shoes in one carry on without expanding it.  

My bag (a Boyt 24") fits just fine on most mainline aircraft wheels in/out, except for WN's 733s where it goes length wise. It has an outer pouch that was getting hung up on the lip, and since we were boarding at L1, I just gave up trying to shove it up there and put it where it fit.

Do all ex-NW 75s have this bar? I've been on the PMDL 757s and never seen those before. The NW 320s and D9s don't have them. Why the 757s?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:09 am

Are these PMNW 757 5500 series mainly used on original NW 757 routes? Are these worn out birds being used on flights that have shorter block/duration times versus using them on trans/midcons?

I was looking through the many thread regarding the 753s and am wondering if there are plans for them to receive AVOD IFE especially since they fly longer segments and Hawaii flights?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:32 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 25):
Do all ex-NW 75s have this bar? I've been on the PMDL 757s and never seen those before. The NW 320s and D9s don't have them. Why the 757s?

The bins on the A320 were different because of the manufacturer and cabin geometry.

The bins on the DC-9 were all replaced when NW did the DC-9 modernization program in the mid/late 90's, they used to the orginal small bins with the flat doors prior.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 26):
Are these PMNW 757 5500 series mainly used on original NW 757 routes? Are these worn out birds being used on flights that have shorter block/duration times versus using them on trans/midcons?

There is not a hard and fast rule where they will show up except they won't be on routes that are specifically 75V or 75X. You see a lot of them doing short/mid-hops out of ATL - TPA, FLL, MCO, DFW DTW-MSP, MSP-PHX, etc.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 26):
I was looking through the many thread regarding the 753s and am wondering if there are plans for them to receive AVOD IFE especially since they fly longer segments and Hawaii flights?

The 753s are getting go-go downloadable video. No plans for AVOD or IFE at this time.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:45 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 26):
Are these PMNW 757 5500 series mainly used on original NW 757 routes?

No. In fact you'll find a lot of them flying out of ATL making runs to the Florida cities and places like DFW,DCA,LGA,BOS,etc...

Shortly after the merger DL communicated its plan of making the 5500 a "high density" configuration for Florida routes. Nothing further was released regarding layout related to the density.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 24):
The reason behind it is, to suspend the roll-aboard bag edge off the lip ledge of the bin, so the bin could close. We used to take pillows under bag to do that, but the maintenance dept installed those bumpers specifically for that task. The average 22in roll-aboard bags by Travelpro, American Tourister and Samsonite will fit in there just fine, those being the bags it was designed for.

He's correct. When did NWA mtc do that? I want to say it was around 2000. Makes the 22 inch bags actually fit.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 25):
Do all ex-NW 75s have this bar? I've been on the PMDL 757s and never seen those before. The NW 320s and D9s don't have them. Why the 757s?

I believe the entire 757 North fleet has them. The reason they're only on the -57's, the 320 bins can fit 22 inch bags lengthwise just fine...whereas the bins on the '57's worked better if the bags were propped up - hence the bar.

When Northwest ordered the last 7 757's (5650-5657) they had the option of the larger, newer overhead bins but chose to stay the earlier issued bins that were already installed on 5501-5649.

Quoting b727fa (Reply 11):
here are several "versions" of all the "versions" out there. Delta never met a 757 it didn't like or think they couldn't improve. The "N-series" 5500/5600 a/c called the "Nasty" by the crews have some that sport new laminate, overhead/sidewall paint, etc. The brighter "white" interior is quite fresh and but for the bad bins, hard for most pax to deride.

Right. The 5500-series planes are at various stages of refurbishment. I was on one a few months ago that was completely renovated inside...DL laminates, DL bulkheads, DL lavatory laminates, new brighter lighting along the sides. Then I was just on a 5500 that merely had DL carpet and seats...everything else was NW standard minus the 'N' compass logo which was gone from the bulkhead but still had the vertical strip NW pattern.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:59 am

I was on ship 530 a few weeks ago -- what a disaster -- reading lights completely out in row 1, just to start with.

Captain came out when we landed in JAX moaning about all the squawks he had to write up.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:16 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 28):
I believe the entire 757 North fleet has them.

Except the 753

Quoting chrisair (Reply 25):
My bag (a Boyt 24") fits just fine on most mainline aircraft wheels in/out, except for WN's 733s where it goes length wise. It has an outer pouch that was getting hung up on the lip, and since we were boarding at L1, I just gave up trying to shove it up there and put it where it fit.

Like I said, the 22in is the largest bag that will fit in the 757-5500/5600 aircraft, longways. The space to slide in is narrower than most, so it may be harder to get an overstuffed bag in there. I have a 24in Purdy Neat roll-aboard(aka the pilot bag). And that only goes in sideways except on the 747, which it goes in longways.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:01 pm

For the record, I was aboard a 5500 series from LAX to ATL on 9/27. Even being a tolerant aviation enthusiast in seat 3A I could visibly see this ex-Northwest bird was fairly worn and tired. The couple across the aisle grumbled about no PTV while other passengers enplaning appeared vaguely puzzled at the different 757-200 interior of this Delta jet. In this day and age however, the interior of a domestic jet must rank low on the priority scale for any airline as long as there are paying fannies in the seats and the yield is acceptable. With no in-flight entertainment I was lucky to have a couple of auto and sports magazines in my carry-on for the four hour flight.

A few days (and two flights later) on 9/30 I was aboard a morning United/Continental Boeing 737-800 flight from CLE to FLL. The first class was immaculate with new dark blue leather seats, IFE with an array of channels and a breakfast presentation with dinnerware that made Delta look pretty bad by comparison.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:12 pm

I flew on one ATL-MIA in Feb. No winglets,and it had South Pacific Duty-free brochures in the seat backs.It wasn't too bad,though I was more interested in the 3 drunks causing a scene across the isle from me.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:43 pm

The topic of the PMNW 5500 series 757 seems to come up every few weeks on a.net and ultimately it turns into the same argument that they are "ratty, worn, ragged, - insert adjective of choice here-.

Some are quick to scold DL for the condition of this particular subfleet of 757s and ask how they let aircraft stay in this condition and why don't they do something.

Let's step back for a minute and walk through the situation:

Facts:
DL inherited many aircraft in the NW merger including an aging subfleet of 757s (5500s).
DL has assembled a large fleet of 757s from many sources of many subfleets and at various points in their lifecycle.
Many of the older 757s (PMDL) & (PMNW) will be retired over the next 3-5 years.

There is ancedotal and factual data and statements out there that indeed say that 757s being increasingly more maintenance intensive as they age. AA, DL, and UA have stated they have increasing maintenance costs and incidents as they age. DL is no different in this case. Keep in mind a 757 is also a more complex aircraft than most other narrowbodies and most technology is based on a previous generation of aircraft.

Think back 10+ years ago, the same statements were being made about 727s, DC-10s, L-1011s - that aircraft were old, interiors were dated, etc. This is now the situation the 757s are in.

Take DL's perspective. Should DL automatically park these aircraft that still have useable life only because the interiors lack the ammenities of more modern aircraft? Should DL invest $500,000 - $1M+ per aircraft only to fly them for another 3 years? Or, should DL invest their limited capital into aircraft mods and projects that have a higher ROI and drive incremental revenue like flat-beds?

Ask yourself, if you were DL what would you do?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:28 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 33):
Ask yourself, if you were DL what would you do?

I think what they are doing is rather smart: parking the new 757s for a bit and letting the 5500s do all the dirty work until retirement which is coming up soon.

Having said that, flying one of these 5500s on LAX-ATL must have been a pain in the ass. Keep them on short routes from ATL, especially to Florida.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:31 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 34):
Having said that, flying one of these 5500s on LAX-ATL must have been a pain in the ass. Keep them on short routes from ATL, especially to Florida.

I fail to see why a LA-ATL flight on one would be a "pain in the ass." That's not a terribly long flight, and quite frankly I don't see what the issue is with these planes. People can't survive without a TV for 4 hours? I can't comment on Y, but F was about as comfortable as domestic F can be. I actually like that plane a little better than some of the DL ones since I can get my briefcase under my seat. Riding on the DL 75s with PTVs, I have to put my briefcase in the overhead.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 30):
The space to slide in is narrower than most, so it may be harder to get an overstuffed bag in there.

That's the issue. It would have fit just fine once in the bin. Judging by how chewed up the tops of the bins were, I suspect most people just shove their bags in and yank them out. I guess it's important to board early on those planes and grab the bin by R2. Thanks for the info on the bars. I'd never seen them before and was wondering about them.

[Edited 2011-10-13 18:32:33]
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:48 am

Iv been on a couple 5500s this summer that have had everything redone eccept the overheads. I have a feeling it may only be about 2 or 3 ships that got this extra touch 5523 and 21 I belive are the ones I saw. They replaced all the side walls and wallpaper along with DL placards. The seats got all new white an blue plastic armrests and tray tables(no more brown/tan). It looked a lot better. I have some pics ill try to upload.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:06 am

PSU - how dare you interject a bit of logic and common sense into this thread.

I'm so sick of reading about how awful the PMNW planes are as if the PMDL planes are all perfectly pristine. I flew on an 88 today and it was in awful shape. It stank, the bins could not handle a standard crew size roller bag with the wheels in/out, the seats were worn and in general it was not such a great experience. So there you have it... there are some planes in the PMDL fleet that could use some TLC as well. I've been on some PMDL 757s in the same situation. The bottom line is that NW is no longer maintaining these planes. It's all Delta now.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:44 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 37):
I'm so sick of reading about how awful the PMNW planes are as if the PMDL planes are all perfectly pristine

I think it's more to do with this particular subfleet of 757's, not all the PMNW planes. The Airbus fleet and DC-9's are in really good shape on the inside.

MSPTPA - thanks for posting those pictures. The interior refurbishments make a big difference!
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:37 pm

MSPTPA - thanks for posting! That's exactly what one of the ex-NW birds looked like! Nice and bright! Better looking than many of the dinged up DL 757's I've been on. I know NW had plans to redo their interiors shortly before the merger...but seeing this pics, and in person, makes me wonder why they didn't do it oh so earlier.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:46 pm

No reason for anyone to get in a snit over PMNW vs. PMDL interior quality on 30-year-old 757s... they are both highly inconsistent from frame to frame and will both be among the first to go away as 737-900ERs start arriving. The first PMDL 757s are the ones with the worst cycles problem but the 5500s will follow soon after.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:17 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 35):
That's the issue. It would have fit just fine once in the bin. Judging by how chewed up the tops of the bins were, I suspect most people just shove their bags in and yank them out. I guess it's important to board early on those planes and grab the bin by R2.

My TravelPro works on every plane, but gets hung up on this one getting over the hump sometimes. Even ripped out the little TravelPro emblem that's bolted through the fabric. This done by an overeager FA wanting to rearrange things. Sure it wasn't Jetjack74.  
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 35):

Um because nearly all DL aircraft operating ATL-LAX-ATL have AVOD in Y. So it's a huge let down, actually. Plus I can't stand old airplane smell and the 5500s reek of it.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 43):
Plus I can't stand old airplane smell and the 5500s reek of it.

 
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 43):
Um because nearly all DL aircraft operating ATL-LAX-ATL have AVOD in Y.

You can't go 4 hours without TV?
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:55 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 44):
You can't go 4 hours without TV?

Flights tend to drag without IFE. 4 hours is too long.
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:01 pm

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 42):
Sure it wasn't Jetjack74.  

Yeah, because i'm the one tossing it out the door to be checked. Legendary!
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:22 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 33):

Ask yourself, if you were DL what would you do?

Improve the standardization of the product. That's really all the customer really wants. Customers aren't expecting the very best every time. When they book a flight on a Delta 757, they simply want to know what to expect once they get onboard. Delta is asking for complaints by combining two inconsistent 757 fleets and leaving them pretty much as is. So these threads aren't going away.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 44):
You can't go 4 hours without TV?

PTVs are always nice to have. And when you expect it, and don't get it, yeah, that's a valid issue.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:12 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 45):
Flights tend to drag without IFE. 4 hours is too long.

What did you do before PTVs were somewhat common? Even the overhead movies weren't common unless you found yourself on a wide body.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 47):
When they book a flight on a Delta 757, they simply want to know what to expect once they get onboard.

I'd say a vast majority of people don't care what plane they fly on. I think Delta does a fairly good job at advertising what inflight amenities one will have. When you search a flight, it shows wifi, ptv/power, movies etc. It shows the same stuff when you check in.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 47):
And when you expect it, and don't get it, yeah, that's a valid issue.

Absolutely. However, let's not kid ourselves here. These aren't 15+ hour flights to Sydney or Jo'burg. These are 3-4 hour flights. At least there's (slow) internet onboard.
 
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RE: Delta 5500 Series 757 Interior Upgrades

Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:36 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 43):
Um because nearly all DL aircraft operating ATL-LAX-ATL have AVOD in Y. So it's a huge let down, actually. Plus I can't stand old airplane smell and the 5500s reek of it.

Wow if that's the case then it must be the only route where DL is making a true effort to keep the 75X on the same routing. This year, for me, across the system, there appears no effort to keep AVOD planes dedicated to certain routes...I've had equip swaps out my rear!

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 41):
No reason for anyone to get in a snit over PMNW vs. PMDL interior quality on 30-year-old 757s... they are both highly inconsistent from frame to frame and will both be among the first to go away as 737-900ERs start arriving. The first PMDL 757s are the ones with the worst cycles problem but the 5500s will follow soon after.

One great thing about the 5500? Seats 2C/D. Best first class seats in the system. Plenty of room with the bulkhead. Underneath storage. Sort of a private feel.

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