|Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 181):|
Best quote I've seen so far from ABC:
It took Aer Lingus 5 years to recover from Joyce. Ansett never recovered."
You can't be serious. That is nothing more than emotionally charge bile.
You don't think the fact that Ansett had too many aircraft types (thank you peter ables)
had outdated workpractices (3 crew 767s anybody?) too lower cabin configurations (737-300s with
only 105-110 seats, nowhere near the design capacity, even with the same number of premium
seats as other airlines). 2 inflight magazines, (what on earth was the justification for that?)
too heavily crewed aircraft, full tray service on domestic (nice touch but they could have had the same
food cheaper on other arrangements), in fact, a year after the 'real' ansett failed, not that tesna excuse
of a thing to extort money out of the government, (never miss the opportunity a good crisis presents - sorry
it didn't work mr Fox) Virgin carried the same amount of PAX that ansett carried in its final year, on 1/3 of the aircraft
and 1/3rd of the staff. That in itself speaks huge huge volumes. Ansett's unions had a lot to answer for, for their
part in that failure because they helped leave the carrier hugely inefficient. And even in its dying hours, when
offered to take over the A320 fleet, with pilots and FA
's, Greg Combet stood infront of the media and refused
unless All ansett staff, including ground staff, would be included. Well that was smart wasn't it now? Are you really
gonna blame AJ
for all of that? Those things all helped the fall. The truth was Ansett's unions believed the carrier
would never be allowed to fail. They were about to get a nasty lesson in market economics. They had flight attendants being paid more than dentists! I mean come on! What should have happened were drastic pay cuts, the fleet reduced to just 2 or 3 types and it convert itself into a much smaller shuttle
operation based around the A320 and A321, and probably one large widebody for long haul. Then, and only then,
it might have survived. But do you think in a million years the unions would have agreed to this? Previous Ansett management were incompetent in terms of allowing costs to get way out of control while they didn't have any serious competitive threat to 'keep the peace'. The later management had their hands tied behind their back and couldn't effectively address the problem.
|Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 177):|
Quoting koruman (Reply 156):
Mariner, you and TruemanQLD are about the only people on this board who think that Joyce has won the battle, let alone the war.
Count me in as one more.
Count me in Also as one more. AJ
may in the short term now be forced to pay slightly higher wages than he was offering, but in the longer term, and Fair Work Australia can't impose conditions that aren't going to be relating directly to the employment of the staff in question. And they certainly won't be able to impose conditions as to where and how this company can invest abroad. No way in hell. Therefore, as I see it, AJ
may have some issues on the domestic front but the key thing he was fighting for...that is, not agreeing to any conditions on future investments/outsourcing/management decisions has been won.
|Quoting mariner (Reply 174):|
I'm not sure why there is this disbelief about losses on international. The CEO of Air NZ has said that they are losing $1 million a week on international and that's a very much smaller airline.
Very well said. Now thing of it in terms of loss per long haul aircraft. NZ
is running its long haul at a bigger loss than QF