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Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:39 pm

I opened this because we are a little bit getting off-topic in another thread and I took advantage to make it available for a broader range of topics. So let's make it a gathering place for anything aviation in the Benelux.   Here is the archived #2: BeNeLux Aviation #2 (by LJ Apr 17 2011 in Civil Aviation)

What we were discussing: SN fleet needs and possible future aircraft.

SN has 2 A330-200 coming from LX, LH is reporting to retire older birds as new come in. I think it won't be that bad if we see some LH A340-300 coming in late next year, or in 2013. Capacity wise they would fit the current long haul fleet nicely, and won't cost as much as introducing a wide body Boeing in the fleet. Your opinions?

Someone added that the current A330-300 are fairly old and might need replacement soon.

The problem is: SN is tight on cash and will report a (substantial) loss for this year, the did some heavy investments this year and burned a couple of millions on the Korongo adventure...  

And a topic to discuss for our Dutch brothers: Amsterdam Airlines aircraft returned to the lessor and filed for bankruptcy.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:53 pm

Glad to see this thread back.

Just to remember you that today KLM resumed flights to EZE while the 1st one to GIG is expected for tomorrow.


Regarding Luxair, is it confirmed LG will phase-out all the ERJ in next few months?
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:23 pm

I don't see LH sending the A343s it is retiring to SN for a couple of reasons:
#1 - LH is presumably going to retire its oldest A343s first, and the three oldest LH A343s are all older than the oldest A330 in SN's fleet.
#2 - The first A332 is being used to send one A333 at a time out for heavy maintenance and to have a new premium cabin installed, if I am not mistaken. That is a lot of money to spend on planes that they would be keeping only until the end of next year!

I don't have any inside info, but I don't think the A333s are going anywhere within the next three-to-five years at least.

Besides, there will be more competition to Africa, not less, in the coming years. SN is better off getting more A330s and de-coupling more destinations for non-stop service rather than increase capacity on existing flights and lose market shares to airlines flying non-stop.
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:01 pm

@blueflyer: The opening post was a brief resume my thoughts in the other thread. I didn't intend to replace the A333 with A343, the A333 should stay the backbone of their long haul ops (mainly AFI) until they have cash for new(er) aircraft. I think there was a little misunderstanding here.

SN has very little money atm, they can't find A333 cheap enough to expand, that's why the ex Swiss A332 are coming in. So I thought, if it is that hard to find affordable A333, maybe those ex-LH A343 are an option. SN CEO last year expressed their intension to expand in the USA, NY and/or SFO/LAX. They're going to NY next year, maybe West Coast (and/or a Far East) in 2013/14, then those A343 would come in handy, as it is on the limits of an A333 (no cargo revenue).

I agree with your Africa view, SN should also continue expansion there, imo, it should even be their #1 priority. But the CEO expressed their intention to launch long haul flight to other continents than Africa, that will also need some aircraft.

I don't see a big future for the A343 at SN, but they might play a small role as they are relatively cheap...
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:45 pm

Sad new for Amsterdam Airlines: the personnel is sent home today, looks like the end...  
Sources: Airwork.nl, Scramble.nl
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:49 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 1):
Regarding Luxair, is it confirmed LG will phase-out all the ERJ in next few months?

No, only the ER3 are to quit, once DUB and PRG are axed for good (coming with this Winter Timetable).

I d love to see LG ordering some C10s and CR7-NG as well.
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:17 pm

In addition to a most probably bankrupt Amsterdam Airlines, which ceased operations as per today with immediate effect, also the other Dutch airline, MP, stopped operating in the passenger market and brought their last passengers home earlier this day.
A special flight (MP2011) did a low-level flight over The Netherlands this afternoon with founder Martin Schröder onboard plus other staff and associated people. The end of an era  
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:43 pm

This week also remarks the 10th "anniversary" of SABENA's bankruptcy... And after 10 years the bankruptcy isn't closed yet, it is expected to least for another 5 years at least...

Now regarding the SN fleet...

HB-IQA has been delivered early this month and is flying sectors previous flown by the A333's. All the A333's will go into heavy maintenance at LH Technics in Malta where also a complete new interior will be installed (yes, the whole plane will be renewed both in C and Y including personal AVOD IFE (wireless system). So the A333's are definately going to stay for some years. HB-IQC will join the fleet later this year and will be used to add capacity on existing routes or to de-triangulate existing routes. One A330 (it can be an A332 or an A333) will be used for the new TATL ops to JFK starting somewhere at the beginning of IATA S12. After the summerseason both A332's will also be upgraded with the new interior so that the whole A330 fleet will have an up-to-date brand new interior with personal AVOD IFE.

Currently both A332's HB-IQA (delivered) and HB-IQC (not yet delivered) are still on the Swiss register but will be immatriculated in the Belgian register as OO-SFY and OO-SFZ when the planes are sold by LX to a leasing company (both planes are owned by LX and currently under dry lease directly from LX to SN).

While SN will indeed write a loss this year, their cash situation isn't actually to bad for a small airline like SN. SN has quite some unrestricted cash available but like we all know, the current management isn't eager to invest those funds.

Btw: Don't hope for any LH A343's being transferred to SN. Those planes are quite old, have quite some hours on the frames and the engines, are thirsty and don't fit into the SN operations. With the A332's obtained from LX, SN can reach the west coast of the USA if they want to, so no need for thirsty A343's in SN's fleet. If LH wants to transfer 4 holers to SN then it should better send a couple of B744M's over to SN, which can be used on cargo heavy routes like the AFI ops. However, don't think this will (ever?) happen too. So A330's it is for the moment, maybe later, when LH buys SN in full (IF they buy it), we could see newer and other planes but for now I think one should be happy with the older, though perfectly maintained, A330's  
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:49 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 6):

I feel embarassed asking, since I am in no way up to date to BeNeLux aviation, but didn't KLM have the intention of buying up MP Cargo and put off all of their (KLM) cargo ops to MP? So the MP brand name will live on in a 100% cargo carrier?
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:01 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 8):
I feel embarassed asking, since I am in no way up to date to BeNeLux aviation, but didn't KLM have the intention of buying up MP Cargo and put off all of their (KLM) cargo ops to MP? So the MP brand name will live on in a 100% cargo carrier?

As of tomorrow, Martinair will be an all cargo airline. Today the last MP pax flight landed at 15h15 at AMS after a flight over the Netherlands with the founder of Martinair on board. A Boeing 767-300ER with a retro livery and big "THANK YOU / BEDANKT" titles was used for this last pax flight.

And yes, KL is the owner of MP but at the moment KL will also perform cargo flights.
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 8):

I feel embarassed asking, since I am in no way up to date to BeNeLux aviation, but didn't KLM have the intention of buying up MP Cargo and put off all of their (KLM) cargo ops to MP? So the MP brand name will live on in a 100% cargo carrier?

In the end MP Cargo will be the cargo brand for the entire AF/KL group (thus no full cargo by Af and KL). However, French unions aren't really in favor of this idea...

Quoting bralo20 (Reply 9):

And yes, KL is the owner of MP but at the moment KL will also perform cargo flights

These will be gone soon. Already all flights are codeshare with MP. However the KL code will disappear sometime soon.

BTW did QR Cargo start their LUX flights already?
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:57 pm

Quoting bralo20 (Reply 7):
Btw: Don't hope for any LH A343's being transferred to SN. Those planes are quite old, have quite some hours on the frames and the engines, are thirsty and don't fit into the SN operations. With the A332's obtained from LX, SN can reach the west coast of the USA if they want to, so no need for thirsty A343's in SN's fleet.

Errr, the A343-300 isn't as thirsty as you might think. From the LH sustainability report, the fuel consumption is within 0.02l/100km of each other (A333 vs A343). In 2008 the Swiss A340-300 were the most fuel efficient aircraft in the whole (!) Lufthansa group. (see report 2008)
Those early A333 currently in SN's fleet aren't the most fuel efficient A330 around (*little understatement*). The A330 improved a lot over the years, but SN is still operating the old ones, so if an A330 works there, an A343-300 will do equally well. The A343 is 10% more fuel efficient than an A332 (according to LH).

The A343 fits a lot better in SN operations than a 744 does (imo) and isn't such a big risk.

Although I like the looks of a A340, I have no affection with it. I was just trying to look what alternatives there are for an A333, as they seem though to find (for a low price).
 
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Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:38 am

Quoting bralo20 (Reply 7):
no need for thirsty A343's in SN's fleet

They are not thirsty at all. I think sf260 has explained it already. 2 CFM engines burn relatively less fuel than one GE90/Trent800/PW4000 (Boeing 777)

The only thing is that they carry 4 engines i.s.o. 2. This means more maintenance costs.
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:08 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 10):
BTW did QR Cargo start their LUX flights already?

Started yesterday with a DOH-LUX-ATL-IAH-LUX-DOH route to be operated twice-weekly. Next week, they will start a weekly DOH-LUX-YYZ vv.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:35 am

Hainan Airlines will cancel their PVG-BRU route as of January 1st 2012. PEK-BRU will continue. This means BRU will loose one destination
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:53 pm

Does Demavia still fly between BRU and FIH? Anyone has their schedule by chance?
 
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Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:48 am

It has been discussed before, but TG will start BKK-BRU next week (november 17th). Great to see them in BRU !

[Edited 2011-11-08 01:52:06]
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Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:51 pm

The influence of LH at work...

Swiss is set to announce it is ending service to Cameroon before the summer season, and Brussels Airlines will quite conveniently increase its service at the same time. DLA will go from 3/week to daily and NSI from 2/week to 6/week. Routes will be BRU-DLA-FIH vv x1 and BRU-DLA-NSI vv x6.

In related news, FIH will continue to be serviced daily, but 4 flights will now be non-stop terminators in both directions. The two remaining flights will route BRU-LAD-FIH-BRU.

Under the current schedule, all flights to FIH stop enroute, and 5 of 7 flights back to BRU also stop enroute.

With one of the two new A330s set to do the BRU-JFK route, we now know what the other will be used for.

[Edited 2011-11-08 15:53:12]
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:30 am

blueflyer, thanks for the update!

On a side note, officials of SN have recently stated the Korongo project is still in process, and the rumors the personnel in Lubumbashi were sent home are false. I still hope they take off one day, but I doubt it...
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:08 pm

B&H Airlines resumes AMS service with flights on Tuesday (ATR), Thursday and Sunday (both A319) as of 15 December 2011.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:54 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 17):
With one of the two new A330s set to do the BRU-JFK route, we now know what the other will be used for.

We don't know in full yet, given the increases on DLA and NSI only occupy the plane 4 days in a week...
I wonder what's going on for the other 3 days.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:56 pm

ET is increasing ADD-BRU from 5xw to daily eff from Jan12.

5xw ADD-CDG-BRU + 2xw ADD-MXP-BRU
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:34 pm

Jet Airways chairman Naresh Goyal conferred Belgian Civilian National Distinction

“Commandeur Of The Order Of Leopold II

Delhi: In a unique honour, Belgium today conferred the “Commandeur of the Order of Leopold II”, one of the country’s highest civilian distinctions, to Mr. Naresh Goyal, Chairman, Jet Airways, for his meritorious service and efforts to foster business and cultural ties with Belgium. This distinction has been conferred on him by H.E The King of the Belgians.

In recognition of Jet Airways’ contribution to India’s business and cultural ties with Belgium, the Belgian Ambassador H.E. Mr. Pierre Vaesen handed over the Commandeurs cross of the Order of Leopold II in the presence of the visiting Minister – President of Flanders, Mr. Kris Peeters. Also present at the glittering ceremony to celebrate the Kings Day, in New Delhi and to witness the event were heads of missions and members of the diplomatic community from varied nations as well as Indian officials and captains of the Belgian and Indian industry.

Commenting on the conferment of the high civilian distinction to Mr. Goyal, the Belgian Ambassador H.E., Mr. Pierre Vaesen said, “I warmly congratulate you on being conferred this highest distinction, which is a recognition of your remarkable career in global aviation and of the lead taken by you in helping establish and nurture Indo - Belgian cultural and economic ties. Our King and the people of Belgium wish to pay their tribute by conferring this distinction on you.”

Named in honour of King Leopold II of Belgium the “Order of Leopold II” is one of the highest civilian distinctions in Belgium. It was, established on 24 August 1900 by Leopold II. The distinction is awarded for meritorious service by the Sovereign of Belgium. Importantly, the Order of Leopold II can only be awarded by a Royal Decree.

Commenting on the conferment of the Commandeur of the Order of Leopold II Mr. Naresh Goyal, Chairman, The Jet Airways Group said, I am deeply humbled to be considered worthy of the conferment of the Commandeur of the Order of Leopold II and offer my heartfelt thanks to His Majesty, the Government and citizens of Belgium for this singular honor. I accept it on behalf of each and every member of the Jet Airways family, whose consistent pursuit of excellence has singularly enabled the success of our Airline. And I pledge to continue our combined endeavor to add further value towards nurturing and enhancing Indo-Belgian economic and cultural ties in the years ahead.

Source: Jet Airways, November 16, 2011
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:38 pm

Change in service by Jet Airways:

Increased use of 77W (from 2x to 3x/week) to BRU but terminates in BRU (only BOM-BRU-BOM) instead of BOM-BRU-EWR), all other flights remain 332:

Jet Airways Changes to Mumbai – Brussels – Newark Operation from late-Nov 2011
by JL

Update at 0740GMT 16NOV11

As per 16NOV11 GDS timetable display, Jet Airways is adjusting planned aircraft operation on Mumbai – Brussels – Newark service, starting 21NOV11.

Details:

Mumbai – Brussels eff 21NOV11 Boeing 777-300ER service operation increases from 2 to 3 weekly. The 777 will operate as terminator flight to Brussels only
9W228 BOM0300 – 0750BRU 332 x567
9W228 BOM0300 – 0750BRU 77W 567

9W227 BRU1005 – 2325BOM 332 x567
9W227 BRU1005 – 2325BOM 77W 567

Brussels – Newark eff 26NOV11 Boeing 777-300ER service, which operates twice weekly, terminated. Service returns to Daily A330-200
9W227 BRU1015 – 1240EWR 332 D
9W228 EWR1830 – 0750+1BRU 332 D

Source: Airlineroute.net

[Edited 2011-11-16 06:38:57]
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:25 pm

Quoting bralo20 (Reply 23):
Jet Airways Changes to Mumbai – Brussels – Newark Operation

So if the 777 service ends in BRU thrice a week but BRU-EWR will go back to daily on A330, does that mean that YYZ is cut to 4x weekly?
The other two options I see are JFK being cut (not likely) or an A330 based in BRU (even less likely), unless I am missing something.
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:32 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
So if the 777 service ends in BRU thrice a week but BRU-EWR will go back to daily on A330, does that mean that YYZ is cut to 4x weekly?
The other two options I see are JFK being cut (not likely) or an A330 based in BRU (even less likely), unless I am missing something.

None op the routes are cut. EWR, JFK, YYZ will be operated by an A332 all days, including MAA and DEL while BOM will go to 3x 77W on the BOM-BRU sector. So yes, I guess they'll base a A332 at BRU. (Aren't there 3 A332's based at BRU?)
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:35 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 13):
Started yesterday with a DOH-LUX-ATL-IAH-LUX-DOH route to be operated twice-weekly. Next week, they will start a weekly DOH-LUX-YYZ vv.

What aircraft type do they use on that route?
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:39 am

Quoting mozart (Reply 26):
What aircraft type do they use on that route?

Their fleet of 77F's
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:42 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
So if the 777 service ends in BRU thrice a week but BRU-EWR will go back to daily on A330, does that mean that YYZ is cut to 4x weekly?
The other two options I see are JFK being cut (not likely) or an A330 based in BRU (even less likely), unless I am missing something.
Quoting bralo20 (Reply 25):
None op the routes are cut. EWR, JFK, YYZ will be operated by an A332 all days, including MAA and DEL while BOM will go to 3x 77W on the BOM-BRU sector. So yes, I guess they'll base a A332 at BRU. (Aren't there 3 A332's based at BRU?)

I suppose the aircraft will be used like this:

Day 4: BOM-BRU-EWR operated by 332
Day 4: EWR-BRU operated by 332, not continuing to BOM, but staying in BRU to operate to EWR day 5/6/7
Day 7: EWR-BRU by 332, arriving BRU day 1 and continuing to BOM

Day 5/6/7: BOM-BRU-BOM by 77W

Just my guess, off course.
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:49 am

Today, at 07:05hrs, the first TG flight has arrived at BRU, leaving again at 13:30hrs.
Hopefully some A.netters will get her on photo and post it soon.

All the best to TG!
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:26 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 28):
Just my guess, off course.

That makes perfect sense!
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:31 pm

I don't know this is a new service but Dutch aviation site Luchtvaartnieuws reports that Hahn Air Lines has started 2 weekly flights between Düsseldorf and Luxembourg. The flight is operated with a Cessna Citation CJ4 and operates on Monday and Friday.

upon searching i came across the following schedule;
DUS-LUX flight 330 dep 08:35 arr 09:20
LUX-DUS flight 331 dep 15:20 arr 16:30

BTW fares aren't cheap. I get a quote of EUR 3,379,53 return for the 45 minute flight. But the you do get two rides on a Cessna Citation
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:49 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 31):
I get a quote of EUR 3,379,53 return for the 45 minute flight

Lol, and it's 45 min. blocktime, airbornetime will be 25/30 minutes.
Must be one of the most expensive commercial flights.
 
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:38 pm

Some KL short haul changes for Summer 2012

AMS-AAL from 2 daily to 3 daily
AMS-BLL from 4 daily to 5 daily
AMS-HEL from 4 daily to 3 daily
AMS-BOD from 2 daily to 3 daily
AMS-BRE from 3 daily to 4 daily
AMS-ABZ from 5 daily to 6 daily
AMS-STR from 4 daily to 5 daily
AMS-TLS from 3 daily tot 4 daily
AMS-TRF from 2 daily to 3 daily
AMS-SVG from 4 daily to 5 daily

Whereas SN will probably reduce European flying (they announced today to decrease their short haul fleet), KL will do the opposite (so it seems)
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:00 pm

Quoting bralo20 (Reply 22):

That makes Belgium look desperate, I would have said the same if it had been a Pakistani or any other nationality, before some Indian thinks something else of my opinion.
 
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:07 pm

update SN, all vs S11:

Brussels – Athens 2 daily in jul-aug, 1 daily outside peak season
Brussels – Berlin: 7 daily to 6 daily
Brussels – Catania: 4 weekly to 1 weekly
Brussels – Lisbon: 15 weekly to 1 daily
Brussels – Madrid: 4 daily to 3 daily
Brussels – Malaga: 16 weekly to 2 daily
Brussels – Domodedovo: daily to 10 weekly
Brussels – Oslo: 3 daily to 2 daily
Brussels – Palma: 1 weekly ceased
Brussels – Prague: 4 daily to 3 daily
Brussels – Seville: 4 weekly ceased from 16APR12
Brussels – Tel Aviv: daily to 8 weekly

Source: Airlineroute.net

This is only for European network, LH capacity wil grow to 7 A330 (from 5 A330, two additional -200 from Swiss). 1 A330 will be used for NY as of June (confirmed today), probably JFK 1 daily (my guess).

Africa changes:
Yaounde: 2 weekly to 6 weekly
Douala: 2 weekly to 7 weekly
Kinshasa will see 4 non-stop flights, but remains daily overall (so a capacity increase as well).
Entebbe should also be increased, but no further info yet.

Please correct me if I'm wrong!  
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:24 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 33):

Whereas SN will probably reduce European flying (they announced today to decrease their short haul fleet), KL will do the opposite (so it seems)

Well, this year SN grew already more than KL (7.7% vs 13.7% in ASK, source AEA), so it will probably even out next year (for European routes at least)...  

Does anybody now if there are coming more A32S to SN shortly? There are still some 737 that need to be replaced.

Quoting 777way (Reply 34):
That makes Belgium look desperate,

My thoughts exactly... Naresh Goyal is just a CEO of a company, Jet choose BRU as a hub because they've given them the best conditions a few years back, nothing to do with historical ties blablabla...
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting sf260 (Reply 36):

Well, this year SN grew already more than KL (7.7% vs 13.7% in ASK, source AEA), so it will probably even out next year (for European routes at least)...

I doubt that 7.7% at KL is equal to 13.7% at SN..... Thus essentially KL still grows more in absolute numbers...

Anyway, I forgot to mention that the 6th daily AMS-FRA will continue next Summer.

Quoting sf260 (Reply 35):
Brussels – Oslo: 3 daily to 2 daily
Quoting LJ (Reply 33):

AMS-TRF from 2 daily to 3 daily

Interesting to see that one airline increases Oslo and another decreases Oslo
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:11 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 34):

That makes Belgium look desperate, I would have said the same if it had been a Pakistani or any other nationality, before some Indian thinks something else of my opinion.

Hey they gave the same title to Steve Spielberg a couple of weeks ago, I guess they had some ribbons/titles/medallions to spare 
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:33 pm

Website Luchtvaartnieuws reports that ArkeFly will also fly RTM-AYT and EIN-AYT. This will mean ArkeFly will fly from the regional airports for the first time

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL...ng_ook_vanaf_regionale_luchthavens
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:45 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 33):
AMS-AAL from 2 daily to 3 daily
AMS-BLL from 4 daily to 5 daily
AMS-HEL from 4 daily to 3 daily
AMS-BOD from 2 daily to 3 daily
AMS-BRE from 3 daily to 4 daily
AMS-ABZ from 5 daily to 6 daily
AMS-STR from 4 daily to 5 daily
AMS-TLS from 3 daily tot 4 daily
AMS-TRF from 2 daily to 3 daily
AMS-SVG from 4 daily to 5 daily

I think these are seasonal frequency increases. I think we will see a decline of seats offered to - let's say - VIE, MUC, LHR, CDG, BRU and OTP which will be brought back by the end of October.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 39):
Website Luchtvaartnieuws reports that ArkeFly will also fly RTM-AYT and EIN-AYT. This will mean ArkeFly will fly from the regional airports for the first time

The article also mentions that the flights will be combined, probably in a W-pattern from AMS. So I expect the flight will look something like AMS-AYT-EIN-RTM-AYT-AMS (or reversed).
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:26 pm

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 40):

I think these are seasonal frequency increases. I think we will see a decline of seats offered to - let's say - VIE, MUC, LHR, CDG, BRU and OTP which will be brought back by the end of October.

KL is not known for its seasonal flights, Moreover KLM Cityhopper gets 5 ERJs this Summer (2 in March, 2 in April and 1 in May). They need to fly these new aircraft somewhere..
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:30 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 29):
Today, at 07:05hrs, the first TG flight has arrived at BRU, leaving again at 13:30hrs.
Hopefully some A.netters will get her on photo and post it soon.

All the best to TG!

Still no pics of TG 777 caught at BRU?
Britten Norman Islander VP-FBR on Falkland Islands. THAT'S FLYING!
 
LIPZ
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:54 pm

In the next few days KL should switch all MXP's flights to LIN eff from S12.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:29 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 37):
I doubt that 7.7% at KL is equal to 13.7% at SN..... Thus essentially KL still grows more in absolute numbers...

You forgot to quote the important part: the smiley... Don't take it so serious.  

In absolute numbers: KL grew with 5.205 million ASK, SN with 1.172 million. Hence, KL won in absolute numbers. How surprising.
(Imho, it's unfair to compare growth figures in absolute numbers, as the bigger company will always have the advantage.)
 
LJ
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:48 pm

Quoting sf260 (Reply 45):

You forgot to quote the important part: the smiley... Don't take it so serious.

I don't but couldn't resist  ..
 
SR4ever
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:23 pm

Interestingly, quite many frequency cuts on SN European network actually target ex-TV leisure destinations...
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:26 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 42):
Moreover KLM Cityhopper gets 5 ERJs this Summer (2 in March, 2 in April and 1 in May). They need to fly these new aircraft somewhere..

I thought these five planes were actually meant to replace the Fokker 100?
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:01 am

It looks like Lufthansa is planning to start services to Dutch regional airports, starting with flights to RTM from MUC

Quote:

A RTM LH2314 25MAR 27OCT 1234567 000 CR7 F F 0620
D RTM LH2315 25MAR 27OCT 1234567 000 CR7 0700 F F
A RTM LH2316 25MAR 27OCT 1234567 000 CR7 F F 1640
D RTM LH2317 25MAR 27OCT 1234567 000 CR7 1715 F F

Following flights are still on the waitinglist at the German slotcoordination:

Quote:

Waitinglist

Flt# Period Time STC
Airport MUC A From LH 2312 From 25MAR OpsDays 1234567 From Code
Season S12 D To LH 2319 To 27OCT Prv/Nxt To Airline

A LH 2315 26MAR 21SEP 12345__ CR7 0845 * RTM RTM J N1
A LH 2315 31MAR 28APR _____6_ CR7 0855 * RTM RTM J N1
A LH 2315 05MAY 22SEP _____6_ CR7 0855 RTM RTM J N1
A LH 2315 24SEP 27OCT 123456_ CR7 0845 * RTM RTM J N1
D LH 2316 27MAR 26OCT _23_5__ CR7 1455 RTM RTM J N1
A LH 2317 25MAR 24OCT 1_3___7 CR7 1845 * RTM RTM J N1
A LH 2317 30MAR 26OCT ____5__ CR7 1845 RTM RTM J N1

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