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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:03 pm

AMS news

It looks like KLM will increase AMS-KBP from 1 daily to 2 dailies during S12. The new flight (KL1387/82) will have the following schedule:
KL1387 dep AMS 20:35 arr KBP 00:20
KL1382 dep KBP 07:00 arr AMS 09:00

Other (additional) changes are:
AMS-ATH reduced to 1 daily
AMS-BCN the current service reduction (5 daily) will continue during S12
AMS-LUX from 20 to 21 flights
AMS-NUE from 26 to 28 flights

Korean confirmed splitting AMS and MAD. AMS will receive a 3 weekly nonstop A330-300 service instead of ICN-MAD-AMS-ICN (which is a 777-200).

BA confirmed that the will continue the increase from 7 to 8 daily on LHR-AMS during S12.

BRU news

BA will increase from 6 to 7 daily on LHR-BRU

Furthermore some short haul adjustments for SN:
BRU-BER from 43 flights to 38 flights weekly
BRU-CPH from 5 to 4 daily
BRU-HAJ: Avro RJ85 operating the service
BRU-TRN 2 daily Tyrolean dash 8
BRU-VCE from 12 to 14 flights weekly
BRU-WAW from 12 weekly to 1 daily
BRU-CTA from 4 to 1 weekly
BRU-LIS from 15 flights weekly to 1 daily
BRU-AGP from 16 weekly to 2 daily
BRU-DME from 10 to 13 flights weekly
BRU-TLV from 1 daily to 8 weekly

Canceled destinations are PMI and SVQ
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:01 pm

EIn released their 2011 traffic figurs thus it's time to make an overview for 2011 (though I still haven't been able to find figures for LUX but they must be somewhere between RTM and EIN).

- AMS 49.8mio (+10.2%)
- BRU 18.7mio (+9%)
- CRL 5.9 mio pax (+14%)
- EIN 2.65mio (+23%)
- RTM 1.1mio (+15.7%)
- MST "just over" 360,000 (+40%)
- LGG 309,206 (+3.4%) Cargo increased by 5.5%
- OST 232,682 (+8.9%)
- GRQ 148,850 (-/-3%)
- ANR 106,321 (+2%)

The biggest grower is MST followed by EIN. Only GRQ showed a (small) decrease


Route update..

AMS
- With the demise of MA AMS will loose 13 weekly flights but gains a daily flight from Smartwings
- Royal Jordanian will reduce AMS but nothing is visible in GDS or on their website
- CZ will increase CAN-AMS to daily as of June 15th
- Korean will increase their flights to 4 weekly in S12


EIN
- FR will start BUD-EIN as of April 2012
- Wizz air will increase BUD-EIN to 13 weekly (from daily)

BRU
- SN has started an extra one daily BRU-BUD
- FlyBE will stop BRU-SOU as of the end of February
- Royal Jordanian will discontinue AMM-BRU as of April 2012

CRL
- FR will start CRL-BUD after the demise of MA
- Wizz Air will increase BUD-CRL to 2 daily (from daily)

LUX
- Darwin Air has started flights between LUX and GVA (2 flights a day on weekdays, one flight on Sunday operated by SAAB 2000)

Luxair doesn't seem pleased to get competition on LUX-GVA. In reponse to Darwin Airs entry into the market LX offers 4 return flights for the price of 3 + free vacation in Egypt or Tunesia (for 2 persons) in a luxury 5-star hotel for the top 5 fliers on the route...... Personally I wonder why there are so many flights between GAV and LUX (or is there so much demand from the financial world...)
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 101):
(though I still haven't been able to find figures for LUX but they must be somewhere between RTM and EIN).
Quoting LJ (Reply 101):
- EIN 2.65mio (+23%)- RTM 1.1mio (+15.7%)

Indeed, LUX had 1.79 Million passengers in 2011 (up by +10% from 2010). LG has a 72% market share. You were in the right band  
Quoting LJ (Reply 101):
LUX- Darwin Air has started flights between LUX and GVA (2 flights a day on weekdays, one flight on Sunday operated by SAAB 2000)

Surprisingly, Darwin only sells in CHF from LUX, not EUR

Some LUX-GVA flights apparently extend to LUG.

Quoting LJ (Reply 101):
Luxair doesn't seem pleased to get competition on LUX-GVA.
Quoting LJ (Reply 101):
Personally I wonder why there are so many flights between GVA and LUX (or is there so much demand from the financial world...)

LUX-GVA is one of the most successful routes on LG route map.


LG should try other routes I think.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:54 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 101):
BRU

LX to transfer its BRU-BSL flights to SN, from May.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 102):

Indeed, LUX had 1.79 Million passengers in 2011 (up by +10% from 2010). LG has a 72% market share. You were in the right band

Thanks SR4ever. Now the complete lists for 2011

1- AMS 49.8mio (+10.2%)
2- BRU 18.7mio (+9%)
3- CRL 5.9 mio pax (+14%)
4- EIN 2.65mio (+23%)
5- LUX 1.79mio (+10%)
6- RTM 1.1mio (+15.7%)
7- MST "just over" 360,000 (+40%)
8- LGG 309,206 (+3.4%) Cargo increased by 5.5%
9- OST 232,682 (+8.9%)
10- GRQ 148,850 (-/-3%)
11- DHR (Den Helder) 120,890 (-/-3%)
-12 ANR 106,321 (+2%)

Enschede is still closed for commercial aviation (and will probably never be reopened as I doubt there is a business case for this airport). Lelystad Airport (LEY) is omitted as it doesn't have any charter or scheduled service. Den Helder (DHR) is included as it does have (scheduled) off shore traffic. Ironically both the largest airport and the smallest airport start with an "A" (sorry it's Saturday). Hopefully, AMS will pass the 50mio passengers and BRU will do 20mio+ this year.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:48 pm

Groningen Eelde Airport will get their runway extension. The current runway (1800m) will be extended to 2500m enabling nonstop flights of more than 2 hours.

In other news, AMS seems to be getting the A380. Though denied by the Emirates manager a few weeks ago, EK is planning to operate the A380 as of August 1st.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 104):
10- GRQ 148,850 (-/-3%)
11- DHR (Den Helder) 120,890 (-/-3%)
-12 ANR 106,321 (+2%)

Are you kidding? Does Antwerp serve less passengers than Den Helder airport???? What are the key destinations of Den Helder airport? What about ANR?
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 106):

Are you kidding? Does Antwerp serve less passengers than Den Helder airport???? What are the key destinations of Den Helder airport? What about ANR?

ANR "only" has 4 flights to LCY and 2 to MAN (all F50s). Nothing else. Den Helder has an extensive off shore business operated by helicopters (usually Bristow and CHC have 20 flights a day with helicopters which carry 10-18 passengers). Den Helder had 60,447 arriving passengers and 60,443 departing passengers (thus total 120,890) in 2011 and prime destinations are the oil platforms in the North Sea. I could have omitted these passengers, but it these are scheduled or charter flights (and what's the difference between flights operated by a F50 or by a helicopter with 18 passengers on board). Moreover airports like Aberdeen also include these passengers in their traffic figures, thus why would I omit these for Den Helder?
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:01 pm

Brussels Airlines (SN) announced today their new management team. Michel Meyfroid, one of SN's 2 co-CEO's will leave the company and Bernard Gustin (the other co-CEO) will become the CEO of Brussels Airlines. Further will Peter Kranich (joining from LH) become the COO of SN, Jan de Raeymaker will be apointed CFO and Erik Follet wil be the CCO. Viscount Etienne Davignon will remain the chairman of the board.

Some say the joining of Peter Kranich can be seen as an indication that LH will excercise their option to buy the remaining 55% of the shares this year. (LH has the right to purchase the rest of the shares in april of each year and this until 2014).
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:29 pm

According to www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl Olympic air will end all service to Western Europe by eliminating AMS from its network. This will leave a single daily flight from KL and some HV flights. Not really surprising considering the economic situation, however it is sad to see so few service to a city like ATH.
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:39 pm

According to Airlineroute Memphis - Amsterdam is axed by Delta. Currently DL flies this route 4 times a week.

There is a chance that MEM-AMS is resumed at S13 but at this moment this is still unclear wetter the route is axed permanently or only seasonal.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:30 am

UX will upgauge MAD-AMS to a twice daily B737-800 for Summer 2012
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:46 am

And to add some more news: KL has officially received its first A330-300 'Times Square'.

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL...ier_Airbus_A330-300_s_in_ontvangst

I am sure that a someone will start a thread about the arrival!  
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Hainan Airlines (HU) will go daily between BRU & PEK EFF 01JUL2012. Currently HU is flying the route 4 times a week which will increase to 5x weekly at the start of the S12 season on 25MAR2012.

Currently loaded until end of S12, W13 is 5 weekly at the moment.


Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------
HU 492 BRU 13:40 PEK 05:30 +1 330 0 1234567 09:50 - 2 28 Jun 02 Oct
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:30 am

Dutch aviation brand and creative design company Lila Design is preparing the livery implementation for two additional BAe146s (-300 & -200) of Starbow Airlines of Ghana, bringing the fleet from 2 to 4 aircraft. #3 is expected to be delivered in May, 2012.


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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:30 pm

KLM will restart AMS-TIP as of S12. The flight will initially operate 3 weekly, but will increase to 4 weekly (as of July 3rd) and ultimately 5 weekly (as of September 18th).
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:16 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 115):
KLM will restart AMS-TIP as of S12. The flight will initially operate 3 weekly, but will increase to 4 weekly (as of July 3rd) and ultimately 5 weekly (as of September 18th).

Starting with a 737 I assume? What was the equipment they used before they ceased?
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 116):
Starting with a 737 I assume? What was the equipment they used before they ceased?

Equipment will be the 737-700. Before the -300 was used most of the time.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 115):
KLM will restart AMS-TIP as of S12. The flight will initially operate 3 weekly, but will increase to 4 weekly (as of July 3rd) and ultimately 5 weekly (as of September 18th).

Maybe I should stop mentioning changes to KL schedules as KL postponed TIP to May 1st...though changes may happen again. I sometimes wonder what those people at KL are doing. It's becoming normal to postpone service resumptions or new destinations at KL. Or are we seeing things too soon?
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:37 pm

Hi,

just saw that there are a couple of Luxairtours flights in the Easter holidays operated by XL Airways.
Does anyone knows the reason behind that?
Always thought XL would fly under its own flight# from LUX.

Thanks
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:09 pm

According to Airliner route (via luchtzak) flybe will be operating the following flight on behalf of Brussels airlinesa using Q400:

Brussels-Birmingham
Brussels-Manchester
Brussels-Hanover
Brussels-Lyon
Brussels-Praque
Brussels-Strasbourg

Is Flybe slowly becoming the independently owned European regional? There was talk of them operating flights on behalf of Finnair as well!
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 120):

Is Flybe slowly becoming the independently owned European regional? There was talk of them operating flights on behalf of Finnair as well!

Not entirely an independent airline as IAG still holds 15% of the company. Moreover Flybe Nordic is a joint venture between Finnair and Flybe, thus again not independent from a legacy.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:46 pm

Transavia will launch AMS-BUD for S12. Flight will be 4 times weekly with 737 (not specified which type.

This means we have the following flights between The Netherlands and Budapest for S12

AMS-BUD
- KL 3 daily 737-800
- HV 4 weekly 737-700/800

EIN-BUD
- FR 4 weekly 737-800
- Wizz Air 13 weekly A320

Thus basically we now have more capacity between The Netherlands and Budapest than prior to MA's demise

[Edited 2012-03-10 06:02:15]
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 122):
AMS-BUD
- KL 3 daily 737-800
- HV 4 weekly 737-700/800

Plus Smartwings 1xDaily
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:11 pm

New routes for GRQ (all operated by FR):
- Palma de Majorca (twice weekly, Wednesday and Sunday) as of May 2nd
- Milan (twice weekly Monday and Friday) as of May 4th
- Marseille (twice weekly, Wednesday and Sunday) as of May 16th
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 124):
New routes for GRQ (all operated by FR):
- Palma de Majorca (twice weekly, Wednesday and Sunday) as of May 2nd

Can they reach Palma from an 1800m runway? I don't think the runway extension will be ready by May 2nd?
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 125):
Can they reach Palma from an 1800m runway? I don't think the runway extension will be ready by May 2nd?

Runway extension will be ready in 2013.

But I guess FR can do it, and many people will just bring the 10kg carry on, which should be ok for a holiday, and not everybody uses the flight for holiday ofcourse. 2nd homeowners for example will have their stuff already there.

Its not like a Transavia flight from GRQ where people bring the most insane large suitcases for just a week on the beach  
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:02 pm

[

Quoting kl911 (Reply 126):
Runway extension will be ready in 2013.

Target is still before Winter 2012-2013..though if they're going to make it is a different story
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:23 pm

Just on luchtvaartnieuws.nl
- Vueling to suspend AMS-MAD
- Ryanair to suspend EIN-MAD

Quoting PW100 (Reply 125):
Can they reach Palma from an 1800m runway? I don't think the runway extension will be ready by May 2nd?

PMI isn't too far. It's also flown non-stop by HV. And GRQ is at sea level and not very hot, also not during the summer.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 126):
Its not like a Transavia flight from GRQ where people bring the most insane large suitcases for just a week on the beach  

I doubt there's much difference between HV or FR-flights GRQ-PMI. Especially now HV is also charging for hold luggage.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:43 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 118):

Maybe I should stop mentioning changes to KL schedules as KL postponed TIP to May 1st...though changes may happen again. I sometimes wonder what those people at KL are doing. It's becoming normal to postpone service resumptions or new destinations at KL. Or are we seeing things too soon?
TIP now postponed till W12.

China Cargo will operate 4 weekly to LUX and 2 weekly to AMS in S12. Compared to S11 this is a reduction of 4 weekly flights for LUX and an increase of 1 weekly flight for AMS. Compared to W11 LUX is reduced by 2 weekly flights

[Edited 2012-03-25 02:45:27]
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 118):

Maybe I should stop mentioning changes to KL schedules as KL postponed TIP to May 1st...though changes may happen again. I sometimes wonder what those people at KL are doing. It's becoming normal to postpone service resumptions or new destinations at KL. Or are we seeing things too soon?

Postponed again until W12...
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:06 pm

KLM reduces AMS-CAI to 3 weekly (from daily).

OLT will discontinue BRU-BRE as of April 20th

Quoting LJ (Reply 101):
- Korean will increase their flights to 4 weekly in S12

This plan will not materialize (thus remain at 3 weekly).

HV will offer 1 weekly Amsterdam - Chambery flights in W12
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:29 pm

In other news, the company which develops the area around the to be reopened "Twente Airport" says it is is still expecting the airport to be opened in 2014. However, there is still no company which will run the airport, but the company developing the area doesn't view this as a problem.

Personally I don't see why someone wants to invest in a an airport which hasn't been proven that it can be run profitable. Granted, the aiport was previously shared with the military and EIN has showed that it is possible to attract traffic after becoming a civil airport. However Twente Airport has two big downsides. Firts, with FMO in the neighborhood (which is also struggling to attract business to remain profitable), I wonder what the added value for the region is. FMO has a catchment area which also covers the main region surrounding Enschede, thus there is a lot of overlap between both airports.

Second, the prospected traffic at the new airport (they foresee 1.2million pax in 2034) seems very unrealistic to me, especially because it's a relatively poor area of The Netherlands (and also not a wealthy part of Germany) with little to none economic development (and this won't change in the near future). Moreover, with the development of Groningen aitport (GRQ) and Lelystad (which recently reapplied to become an airport for civil aviation), another airport in The Netherlands seems a little bit too much. Fortunately, I don't live near the airport, so none of my tax Euros will go to this new airport....
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:24 pm

Transavia will inaugurate AMS-DXB in the Winter 2012-2013 schedule. Flight will operate 2 weekly a 737-800 with a stop is Istanbul.

KLM will, as anticipated, discontinue AMS-ABV-KAN-AMS as of June 1st. ABV will be picked up by AF. Furthermore, KL cancels plans to resume flights to TIP. The resumption of this flight was delayed two times already.

Air One delayed inauguration of BRU-VCE until September 10th. The flight should have been started in May.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 133):
Transavia will inaugurate AMS-DXB in the Winter 2012-2013 schedule. Flight will operate 2 weekly a 737-800 with a stop is Istanbul.

Is it a fuel stop or will people be able to book AMS-IST?
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 134):
Is it a fuel stop or will people be able to book AMS-IST?

Fuel stop only (and I reckon they'll this at SAW, but no info on which airport in Istanbul they're going to use)
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 133):
Transavia will inaugurate AMS-DXB in the Winter 2012-2013 schedule. Flight will operate 2 weekly a 737-800 with a stop is Istanbul.

Apparently the flight is a nonstop flight (my mistake)
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:33 pm

Two new easyJet routes in the BeNeLux.

First, U2 will inaugurate LGW-LUX as of W12.

Second, U2 will start a service between Newcastle and Amsterdam as of W12.

For both new services no additional details known.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:11 pm

An extra BRU-ORD United flight seems to be planned on 2 days in May. I presume it will be charter flights.

ua1891 sta1300lt 18may
ua1885 std1100lt 19may


another one 1 week later

ua1886 sta 0755lt/23may
ua1892 std 0655lt 24may

Plane operating will be a Boeing 747-400, think it will be the first time that a United 744 operates BRU-ORD or maybe even that a United 744 visited BRU? (besides diversions?)
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:51 pm

Yesterday, KLM took delivery of its 3rd A330-300. This year they will add two B77Ws in May and June. Next year, a A332, a A333, 2 738 and 2 77Ws will be added. From 2015, KL hopes to introduce the 789.

I am curious when KL (and AF) will finalise the A350 order. Also, I am very curious what will be the replacement of their F70s (see other topic about a potential new large European customer for the CRJ1000).
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 138):
think it will be the first time that a United 744 operates BRU-ORD or maybe even that a United 744 visited BRU?

Probably the first time on ORD-BRU but definitively not the first UA 744 in BRU. A few years ago, UA had a group travel contract sizable enough to use a 747 on IAD-BRU for a few days.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu May 03, 2012 4:52 pm

Another update

RTM
LH will start a twice daily RTM-MUC flight (operated by a CR9)

AMS
OLT express will start;
- AMS - WAW daily 320
- AMS - GDN daily 320
- AMS - RZE 3 weekly

KLM will make Theran daily in W12.

Quoting LJ (Reply 137):
Second, U2 will start a service between Newcastle and Amsterdam as of W12.

Service will be 5 times weekly.

FlyBe seems to fill in the gap which WW will leave once they're gone and run AMS-EMA according to a thread on Anet.

Flybe Announces EMA Base (by bmibaby737 May 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)

EIN
Wizz AIr will start twice weekly Eindhoven - Debrecen (Hungary)

BRU
OLT express will also start operations to Brussels
- BRU - WAW daily 320
- BRU - GDN daily 320

easyJet will cancel BRU - LPL
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Thu May 03, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 141):
AMS
OLT express will start;
- AMS - WAW daily 320
- AMS - GDN daily 320
- AMS - RZE 3 weekly

Guess that makes sense with the huge Polish population in the west of Holland. Wizzair already has many polish destinations from EIN.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon May 14, 2012 6:26 am

Am I missing something, or is UA sending two 777s to BRU from EWR this Sunday? Flights 960 and 1761.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon May 14, 2012 7:00 am

Dutch aviation brand and creative design company Lila Design is contracted by a new entrant African based low cost carrier for the design of the airline's logo and fleet livery design.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon May 14, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 143):
Am I missing something, or is UA sending two 777s to BRU from EWR this Sunday? Flights 960 and 1761.

Apparently they are... UA1761 landed at BRU at 10h30CET. Don't know they reason though. Later this week (and mid next week) UA is sending an extra B744 from ORD to BRU.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon May 14, 2012 10:58 am

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 139):
This year they will add two B77Ws in May and June

I wonder if these 2 will mean phasing out some 744s... Don't think KL will need the extra capacity.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 139):
Next year, a A332

Where does that one come from? I thought KL converted their remaining A332 into A333  
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 139):
I am curious when KL (and AF) will finalise the A350 order

Has to with their negotiations with RR. Heard AF/KL wants both 787 and A350 fleets with RR, but demands maintenance in house in return from RR. But RR doesn't seem to be willing (yet). We'll know more about it when we see the engine choice of the 787 order on Boeing's O&D sheet.

It will be a while before we see A350s in KL colors anyway, because everything indicates 789s will replace both the M11 and 744combi fleet at KL. A350s will replace 777s I believe.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 139):
I am very curious what will be the replacement of their F70s (see other topic about a potential new large European customer for the CRJ1000).

KL will most likely wait until Embraer launches the re-engined E-jets. MRJ was also an option, but with the recent delays I doubt KL will take the risk. I highly doubt BBD is considered.
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon May 14, 2012 11:26 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 146):
I wonder if these 2 will mean phasing out some 744s... Don't think KL will need the extra capacity

AFAIK the arrival of the new widebodies will result in a slow but steady demise of the MD fleet as dictated by demand. The 333's are perfect as a substitute for the 11 and T7 on medium haul routes where the Bus is much more efficient.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Mon May 14, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 146):
Where does that one come from? I thought KL converted their remaining A332 into A333  

AFAIK they did except for one.
 
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RE: Benelux Aviation #3

Wed May 16, 2012 1:39 am

Detailed in May16 update of World's Longest are AMS's flights over 4700nm, for your information.
World's Longest Flights, 16 May Updates (by yeogeo May 9 2012 in Aviation Polls)
See reply 22.

>Any comments/corrections appreciated.

  
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