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Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): Air China looking at a DUB service; now that would be very interesting; an A330 would be pretty much a dead cert for such a route and with PEK now being one of the world's busiest airports, it would offer connections to more than just Shanghai; PEK would also offer connections to Japan, Korea (yes, North too!), HKG, Taiwan and of course major new markets (for us) across China. Got to hand it to the DAA; first EK, now UA and possibly CA to follow; fair play to them. Interesting to see EI remark that there isn't enough traffic for a direct route; one can't help thinking "well, not the way you do it, but for airline's that know their a**e from the elbow when it comes to marketing, it can happen". |
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): Air China looking at a DUB service; now that would be very interesting; an A330 would be pretty much a dead cert for such a route |
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): Interesting to see EI remark that there isn't enough traffic for a direct route; one can't help thinking "well, not the way you do it, but for airline's that know their a**e from the elbow when it comes to marketing, it can happen". |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 2): It's a standard reply from them at this stage! |
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 6): UA can attract FF members from the entire alliance. |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 7): Hopefully this route will succeed and with pre clearence ( I presume this will be the case ) it has many benefits. |
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 8): I have high hopes for this route, it would seem to have the right operator, with the right aircraft. I just wonder what effect there will be on EWR, if frequencies will change, or aircraft operating the service will change? |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 5): With all these Star Carriers there must be a case for a Star lounge especially if BMI goes down the pan. |
Quoting EIRules (Reply 11): For me, UA still represent the best chance - ORD has to be in contention and I wouldnt rule out SFO either |
Quoting EIRules (Reply 11): But lets not get carried away. 3 new long haul routes (CLT, IAD and DXB) in one year is to be applauded. We often criticise the DAA, well done on this occasion |
Quoting EIRules (Reply 11): Phil I heard a rumour that UA may be about to do a deal with EI and use the Gold Circle lounge in DUB for BusinessFirst customers rather than the current awful BD one |
Quoting EIRules (Reply 11): For me, UA still represent the best chance - ORD has to be in contention and I wouldnt rule out SFO either. The 763 could suit the route better than EI's A330s |
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 14): Quoting EIRules (Reply 11): Phil I heard a rumour that UA may be about to do a deal with EI and use the Gold Circle lounge in DUB for BusinessFirst customers rather than the current awful BD one |
Quoting EIRules (Reply 11): Phil I heard a rumour that UA may be about to do a deal with EI and use the Gold Circle lounge in DUB for BusinessFirst customers rather than the current awful BD one |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 13): There's a real impetus now - with 3 new services reeled in, and rumours of a Chinese link. Let's hope it continues. But I still maintain we need growth on short haul, over at Terminal one.... |
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 14): There fantastic shower facilities, well stocked with toiletries and everything one could want, including plenty of towels. There is plenty of reading material and the coffee is hot and drinkable. The design of the Lounge also appeals to me, the place is flooded with natural light from those huge windows and the ogham wall is a lovely touch. The staff are lovely and the food is pretty much the BOB menu - right down to the chicken & stuffing sandwiches - although I would question how appropriate this is at 0515! The LHR lounge offers soup during the day, does the T2 lounge offer this, taking a leaf from BD porridge would be a good addition? |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 16): Indeed with new routes and T2 there is a real sense of turning a corner. Not to mention the EUR3.6BN we now have lol.... |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 17): Hehee!!! But they tell us "oh no, that doesnt matter.... we still need to hit you for, well, 3.6 billion in the budget". |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 17): Hehee!!! But they tell us "oh no, that doesnt matter.... we still need to hit you for, well, 3.6 billion in the budget". I really wonder about the whole affair. It's the number - 3.6 billion - that really has me asking questions, and if this is part of some game between Dublin and Brussels / IMF. |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 18): Back to aviation, understandably, the Dublin market will be first to bounce back. It will take a while for the benefit to be felt at other Irish airports, but let's hope it's here finally. |
Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 21): This gives us an insight into why politicians sometimes can't say the right thing even if they want to |
Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 21): Everything that Brian Walsh said makes perfect sense and for a chamber of commerce to argue that somehow an airport that 90% of all available seats are empty is a sustainable business model really doesn't say much for the business skills of Galway Chamber of Commerce. |
Quoting dstc47 (Reply 22): It is also disturbing to see the references to Waterford, which has managed to hold on to international service, as somehow being improperly favoured. |
Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 21): This gives us an insight into why politicians sometimes can't say the right thing even if they want to and why perhaps part of the reason why they either ignore it completely or make wild promises. I love the accustion that Deputy Walsh has "a lack of understanding on the business and economic impact associated with a regional airport" and using the so-called "independently qualifie reports" to justify his stance. This is the kind of bully-boy tatics that vested interest groups (and I include the SNN lobby in that) deploy that make it almost impossible for goverments who actually want to implement sensible policies to do so. Course opposition politicans are as much to blame because rather than standing up for sensible policies (even if they are from a government parties) they will promise to do whatever vested interest groups want and the viscious cycle begins again. Everything that Brian Walsh said makes perfect sense and for a chamber of commerce to argue that somehow an airport that 90% of all available seats are empty is a sustainable business model really doesn't say much for the business skills of Galway Chamber of Commerce. |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 26): I understand this completely, but I also feel that politicians in Ireland do a very poor job of verbalising sensible policy. Had Leo gone public and explained the benefits of rationalisation of airports and not solely relied on "free market capitalism" talk of subsidies etc etc, he would have found fair audience. It needs to be explained that rationalisation is in the Interests of the west, and it is not something they should be fearful of. |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 13): Well, it may have the effect of giving EI a much needed kick up the ar*e. If they see US carriers "poaching" their previously served and presumably still on the list routes, they may feel they have no option but to relaunch SFO or LAX to protect their patch. |
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Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 30): All round - some positive news for Irish Aviation this morning. |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 31): Undoubtedly this will effect DUB operations and one wonders what will happen. |
Quoting kaitak (Reply 32): I agree, but I don't think anything will happen for a while, at least until the UK Competition authority goes over this with a fine tooth comb. |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 33): I can see BA returning to DUB |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 31): Undoubtedly this will effect DUB operations and one wonders what will happen. |
Quoting OA260 (Reply 34): I also wonder how BHD will fair out . It would be a big hit to them if those flights were lost. Could we see EI step into BHD for instance. |
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 37): The sheer amount of slots BA would gain, all of which are now used for short haul, would be impossible to utilise at the moment purely on long haul due lack of aircraft. |
Quoting EIRules (Reply 38): I have to say I am surprised at LH just throwing away LHR as they are and indeed that Star Alliance are willing to let it happen. |
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 39): They are absolutely not throwing LHR or the UK market away. The LH group will still have a large presence at LHR, they will be the second largest airline at LHR. There will still be multiple daily service to all key LH group hubs and key destinations, under the LH, LX, SN and OS brands, so the impact to the LH group will be almost nothing, other than a few, loss making, O&D passengers. |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 40): Of course, BA has also been clever with Openskies, and has selected certain higher yielding pairs in AF and KL's territory, while also now steeping up it's efforts to gain feed from Paris, Amsterdam and German cities. |
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 37): The sheer amount of slots BA would gain |
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 39): T5 - All remaining BA service, including any retained mid-haul routes. Bangkok, Barcelona, Gibraltar, Helsinki, Lisbon, Madrid, Singapore, Sydney, Vienna. Additionally, oneworld partners at Terminal Three : American Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, Japan Airlines, LAN, Malev, Qantas, Royal Jordanian, s7 Airlines. |
Quoting Reply 45): Not so sure about that - I doubt T5 has all of that capacity. The truth will be somewhere between. The irony, of course, is that now BA will be a 3 terminal operation!! |
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