Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Nibog · Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:52 pm

I see an EI flight had a problem on Tuesday:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44634f9b&opt=0

kaitak · Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:48 pm

From another website:

EI is to offer a direct link from ORK to FRA, as rumoured above. Also, new flights from DUB to ARN, Verona and Maastricht. The last two are new, although EI did offer an ARN service with 735s about ten years ago.

Jambost · Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:34 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 196):
From Ireland, LED is the bigger tourist draw, but SU don't seem all that keen on flying from LED

I agree, LED is a beautiful city and also FV turf, although they seem to be having a merger of some sort with SU [both airlines government owned that would make sense]. Just looking at wiki I see they have an AN-148 on approach to LGW, now that would be a fantastic sight for DUB! we can always hope someday it could easily become reality. I wish SU best success with DUB and also S7 to continual success with the route.

On another Russian note I am curious to know if Russia would develop their ski resorts for a large influx of European tourists, I noticed Crystal ski advertising Russia for winter sports although you have to call their call center. That is on my to do list when I get home! I would imagine ski charters to Kirovsk or Sochi to be a huge sucess for the budget skier. Hopefully the Russian government will continue its opening arms to tourists.

eicvd · Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:50 pm

Some interesting visitors in DUB this afternoon, an AB A330 & a private 767. The A330 was a nice sight departing off 16!

EIBoston · Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:51 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 194):
Hear hear! Spare the A330 for ORD

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 198):
I would gladly sacrifice EI's SNN-JFK service in place of a three weekly SNN-ORD service. My preference for flying to NYC is to fly to EWR just because it is so much handier to get to Manhattan from EWR.

I dont think we will see a SNN-ORD EI service anytime in the near future IMHO. I will be very surprised by any t/a growth out of SNN by EI over the next 5-10 years. In fact my hunch is further reductions if anything.

So with EI134/135 now operating 4 times a week, then there will be 3 EI 330s in BOS next summer on Sundays. Is there such a strong demand for this? I guess it is a popular day for business people to fly but 3 330's?

AmricanShamrok · Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:05 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 199):
So,if I interpret your description correctly, some gates have up to four gate numbers numbers e.g. if you board through Gate 11, 12, 111 or 112, the aircraft is parked at Stand 39 in all four cases. If you board through Gate 11, you board via an airbridge for a flight that has not been precleared, if you board through Gate 111, you board via the airbridge for a flight that has been precleared, if you board through Gate 12, you board via the air stairs for a flight that has not been precleared and if you board through Gate 112, you board via the air stairs for a flight that has been precleared.

That's exactly it. You have it in one.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 199):
Seeing as we are on this topic, I've noticed plenty of times in the past the remains of a few more airbridges are still attached to the terminal at SNN where the airbridge itself has long since been removed. They've been like that for a long time now but I've always been curious as to when were these taken out? They were obviously removed to allow room for more widebodies to park at the terminal building.

At one time there were no fewer than 9 airbridges attached to the pier at SNN. Today there are "just" 6 but they are near enough evenly spaced apart now. I think the reason for removing the other three was to, as you mention, allow room for more widebodies. The current configuration of the six airbridges (as opposed to nine) was completed in late-2007. If you're ever in the Viewing Gallery in the terminal there are nice pictures of the terminal at different stages of the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s - you'd get a good look at how the stand positions and aircraft docking patterns have changed over the years.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 204):
I will be very surprised by any t/a growth out of SNN by EI over the next 5-10 years. In fact my hunch is further reductions if anything.

Who knows, as Shamrock604 says, they might lease a few A321NEOs in the future making a return of daily SNN-JFK and SNN-BOS flights possible.

SURFER · Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:10 pm

The 787 is in SNN for the night on its way back from the Dubai airshow,was due to arrive at 2 o clock today and staying until tommorow,off today so havent got a chance to see it yet myself.

EIBoston · Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 205):
Who knows, as Shamrock604 says, they might lease a few A321NEOs in the future making a return of daily SNN-JFK and SNN-BOS flights possible.

Anything is possible I guess but I don't see it happening at EI. Would be nice though(I dont have any issue with flying on narrow bodies from the East Coast to Ireland)

Jambost · Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:15 pm

http://www.belfastairport.com/en/new...dex-lands-in-northern-ireland.html

FedEx lands in BFS. A new facility in Carrickfergus with a daily flight, cargo department will get some nice new colors to the cargo scene.

sawtooth · Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:26 pm

Did the DAA purchase those x-ray scanners advertised for tender earlier in the year?

Quote:
EU introduces ban while danger of X-ray machines is fully assessed

At Manchester passengers selected for scanning are banned from flying if they refuse to pass through the device.
The airport says around 10 passengers have been unable to board their flight after refusing tp pass through the scanners, known as 'back scatter' machines.

A spokesperson for the airport said: 'Extensive tests by the UK Health Protection Agency and the U.S. health authorities have already confirmed that back scatter body scanners pose a negligible risk to human health.
'It is irresponsible to suggest that because Europe has yet to complete its own health study, our passengers should be concerned.

'European legislation issued this week has approved millimetre wave, another form of body scanner technology, for permanent use at airports.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rs-cause-cancer.html#ixzz1dzLGWk8L

shamrock604 · Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:36 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 201):

ORK-FRA is a good defensive move against LH who were bound to be considering their options for the Irish Market.

ARN can work well, and i'd venture has been a bit underserved for some time.

VRN is already a popular charter route and should do fine.

MST is a beautiful city, but I think might be a hard sell, unless EI can tap in to the German market just across the border.

OA260 · Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:00 pm

My trip report here which was a very nice trip on CityJet from DUB-LCY . The saver fares really are great value.

Air France (WX) Platinum Service+Harrods Xmas Shop (by OA260 Nov 17 2011 in Trip Reports)

Eagleboy · Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:44 pm

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 204):
So with EI134/135 now operating 4 times a week, then there will be 3 EI 330s in BOS next summer on Sundays. Is there such a strong demand for this? I guess it is a popular day for business people to fly but 3 330's?

I am not sure if the later DUB-BOS will operate next summer.

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 209):
Did the DAA purchase those x-ray scanners advertised for tender earlier in the year?

They did but I read yesterday (online) that they have held off on introducing them as originally planned.

shamrock350 · Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:10 am

Does anyone know how many A319's Aer Lingus will have for the summer 2012 schedule, is it the planned four? It looks like two will be based at BFS, all routes are except LHR are to be operated by A319's and the seat map appears when booking.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 201):
EI is to offer a direct link from ORK to FRA, as rumoured above. Also, new flights from DUB to ARN, Verona and Maastricht. The last two are new, although EI did offer an ARN service with 735s about ten years ago.

Interesting group of routes, ARN isn't too much of a surprise as management did say recently that Scandinavia was missing from the routemap but Verona and Maastricht are bit more unusual for EI and seem more like FR destinations. FR will actually be operating Verona from DUB in competition with EI.

Some other FR related news is that they've added one of those automated codes that you have to fill in before searching for flights. It's to stop screen scrapers but it's a bit of a hassle, can't see it lasting too long.

shamrock604 · Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:23 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 213):
Does anyone know how many A319's Aer Lingus will have for the summer 2012 schedule, is it the planned four? It looks like two will be based at BFS, all routes are except LHR are to be operated by A319's and the seat map appears when booking.

Yes, it is meant to be four. If two are going to BFS (and they are loaded in GDS at the moment), then it seems two will be in Dublin. I have checked all the ORK routes for S2012 and they are all showing A320.

kaitak · Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:54 am

Quoting SURFER (Reply 206):
The 787 is in SNN for the night on its way back from the Dubai airshow,was due to arrive at 2 o clock today and staying until tommorow,off today so havent got a chance to see it yet myself.

Just back from DXB myself, this morning, on the EK 11 to LGW. Didn't get to see the 787, unfortunately, because the Dubai approach to air shows is somewhat "unique"! I had to watch the action from the top of the EK car park, and even then people were being "moved along".

I'm actually going to GCI now for a conference and may not be able to start a new thread until Sunday evening; don't know if I'll get internet access in Guernsey. If you need to start a new thread before Sunday evening, please do so, otherwise, please keep it going till then!

Eagleboy · Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:07 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 213):
Does anyone know how many A319's Aer Lingus will have for the summer 2012 schedule, is it the planned four?

2 planned for introduction in March/April. I think the 2nd pair are due at the end of the summer.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 215):
Just back from DXB myself,.............Didn't get to see the 787, unfortunately, because the Dubai approach to air shows is somewhat "unique"!

How so? Is this due to it being more a trade show? Is it hard for a civilian to get full access?

AmricanShamrok · Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:58 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 212):
I am not sure if the later DUB-BOS will operate next summer.

They're using the flight number EI133 instead of EI139 as well which is odd...why would they change it?

EIBoston · Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:08 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 212):
I am not sure if the later DUB-BOS will operate next summer.

Yes, that would make more sense.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 217):
They're using the flight number EI133 instead of EI139 as well which is odd...why would they change it?

But the return is still showing up as EI138. Will most likely change. I just dont see 3 EI flights into BOS in a day. So for next summer the 330's are scheduled something like this

DUB - JFK x 2 daily
DUB - ORD x 1 daily
DUB - BOS x1 daily
IAH - MAD x 1 daily
SNN - JFK M-W-F--
SNN - BOS -T-T-SS
DUB - ORD - T---S-(odd Thurs as well)
DUB - BOS M-W-F-S

So if they did drop the 2nd DUB-BOS flight, would they head somewhere else?

iRISH251 · Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:20 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 203):
Some interesting visitors in DUB this afternoon, an AB A330 & a private 767. The A330 was a nice sight departing off 16!

The Air Berlin was on a trooping flight for the Irish Army. The 767 was N2767 of Google.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/n707pm/6349566591/

BestWestern · Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:05 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 219):

The Air Berlin was on a trooping flight for the Irish Army.

Saw it in DUB on Thursday.

Anyone know what happened to Flybe in Dublin on Thursday. Their SOU services were badly delayed, with lots of people missing cruise connections.

shamrock604 · Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting Bestwestern (Reply 220):

There was a lot of delays in France, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany due fog which may have had knock on affects.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:13 am

Just a note for those who were surprised at EK offering F class in the Dublin market, F is completely sold out already for the first week of DUB operations commencing in January.........

It's also full in Y, with only J seats remaining.

OA260 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:25 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 222):
Just a note for those who were surprised at EK offering F class in the Dublin market, F is completely sold out already for the first week of DUB operations commencing in January.........

Didnt surprise me at all. Theres still money in this country and people willing to spend it. Also rich Arabs who will always travel that way for vacations in Ireland. Same exists in Greece. People think because a country is in bad economic times that suddenly everything stops and money is not being spent. Kind of ironic for me also as when the Celtic Tiger was booming I was cash strapped but now in a recession Im the best off Ive ever been and willing to spend it on luxury goods and travel.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:17 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 223):

It might not surprise us but some detractors (even ones from relatively close by) would have you believe there is zero premium demand from Ireland.

harpandshamrock · Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:40 am

Quoting Bestwestern (Reply 220):
Anyone know what happened to Flybe in Dublin on Thursday. Their SOU services were badly delayed, with lots of people missing cruise connections.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 221):
There was a lot of delays in France, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany due fog which may have had knock on affects.

Don't think that was the reason, I was airside for nearly 4 hours on Thursday, and one of their Dash 8's was parked off the 200 gates all that time, with their morning SOU flight still on the boards. Presumably it went tech?

330guy · Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:06 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 223):
Theres still money in this country and people willing to spend it.

Very true, The perception from the rest of Europe seems to be that were broke and everyone is in the woods hunting thier own dinner every evening but in actual fact we appear to be better off than most... It has to be remembered that even though we took a few steps back in the past few years we had come a loooong way forward in the previous 10 or so...

sawtooth · Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:21 pm

Europe Airpost to start new charter routes including from Kerry...

"It plans to begin flying from Kerry Airport and Belfast in addition to Dublin, Shannon and Cork and plans to add a handful of new routes to its schedule, including Naples, Keflavik and Corfu."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2011/1118/1224307762182.html

Eagleboy · Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:22 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 222):
Just a note for those who were surprised at EK offering F class in the Dublin market, F is completely sold out already for the first week of DUB operations commencing in January.........

Quoting OA260 (Reply 223):
Theres still money in this country and people willing to spend it.

Well with fares of E2000 it would be well worth it to go for F Class. And I fully agree that some people are relatively unaffected by the death of the Celtic Tiger.
EI still scheduled their A330 service to AGP this summer, EI have stated that their J Class yields remain strong. I'm sure some form of Y+ would be popular for them.

EIBusiness · Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:35 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 222):
Just a note for those who were surprised at EK offering F class in the Dublin market, F is completely sold out already for the first week of DUB operations commencing in January.........

It's also full in Y, with only J seats remaining.

I'm going to provide a dissenting voice in this regard because I feel that these load factors, while positive, are misleading without an average revenue per seat consideration:

Using two different sources, the average price for a return F class ticket from DUB to DXB in January / February is EUR 2,694. To my mind - that represents a significant reduction on a normal F class Long Haul fare - I'm open to correction on this however. On the same randomly picked dates, a return F fare from LHR to DXB is at least EUR 3,723.

Indeed - the average F fare ex DUB is equivalent to DUB - USA return J fares when booked at a closer range to departure.

So, yes - while the load factors at this range are very positive - they appear to have been achieved through discounted pricing for F class. This needs to factored in.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 223):
Didnt surprise me at all. Theres still money in this country and people willing to spend it. Also rich Arabs who will always travel that way for vacations in Ireland. Same exists in Greece. People think because a country is in bad economic times that suddenly everything stops and money is not being spent. Kind of ironic for me also as when the Celtic Tiger was booming I was cash strapped but now in a recession Im the best off Ive ever been and willing to spend it on luxury goods and travel.

There is a lot of merit in what you say. However - many people in Ireland have been utterly ruined for a long time and are left with no financial resources. I would also question the extent to which people, in general, are willing to spend on luxury items as a norm still. In relation to Greece, there is EUR 60 Billion in outstanding taxes - that speaks volumes.

Canada calls out for thousands of Irish workers to fill job vacancies

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...to-fill-job-vacancies-2939754.html

There was much rumour recently about EI potentially starting a scheduled DUB - YYZ service:

"We've surpassed the US now with emigration and are second behind Australia," he said. And such is the level of emigration and business between Canada and Ireland that the embassy is spearheading a campaign to establish regular direct flights between the two countries, he added.

The only direct flights operate on a seasonal basis to the major hubs of Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Fares start at around €300 one way including taxes and surcharges.

The embassy -- along with the Dublin Airport Authority, Failte Ireland, Dublin City Council and Irish-Canadian business and community organisations -- is developing a business plan it hopes will result in one of the major airlines opening up a direct link in the near future.

Regards,

EIBusiness

Jambost · Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:57 pm

EK have won me over again, I'l be flying DUB-DXB-SYD return departing 02MAY12 for a very reasonable 891 euro. I was tempted by Ethiad who are 3 euro cheaper but I cannot avoid the A380, fabulous comfort. I am regreting I havent given EY a try yet. Theres a strange addiction to EK. Plus it will be my first experience from T2, long overdue.

Eagleboy · Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:33 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 230):
EK have won me over again, I'l be flying DUB-DXB-SYD return departing 02MAY12 for a very reasonable 891 euro. I was tempted by Ethiad who are 3 euro cheaper but I cannot avoid the A380, fabulous comfort. I am regreting I havent given EY a try yet. Theres a strange addiction to EK. Plus it will be my first experience from T2, long overdue.

Good reasons to do it:
E891 to SYD, a steal!
1st use of T2,
the A380 for E3 extra, no competition!

ThrottleHold · Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:39 pm

The EK F class fares are slightly cheaper not only to stimulate demand on a new service, but because it's the old style F Class on the 330's.

I did DXB-CPT in J on an EK 330 last month...woke up with a sore back due to the highly uncomfortable seat!! 7 abreast and not fully flat.

MrAero36 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:36 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 227):

Europe Airpost to start new charter routes including from Kerry...

"It plans to begin flying from Kerry Airport and Belfast in addition to Dublin, Shannon and Cork and plans to add a handful of new routes to its schedule, including Naples, Keflavik and Corfu."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2011/1118/1224307762182.html

So are they basing more aircraft in Ireland or how is this going to work? Positive news none the less.

iRISH251 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:08 pm

Quoting MrAero36 (Reply 233):
Quoting sawtooth (Reply 227):

Europe Airpost to start new charter routes including from Kerry...

"It plans to begin flying from Kerry Airport and Belfast in addition to Dublin, Shannon and Cork and plans to add a handful of new routes to its schedule, including Naples, Keflavik and Corfu."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2011/1118/1224307762182.html

So are they basing more aircraft in Ireland or how is this going to work? Positive news none the less.

Last summer, additional capacity at weekends was sourced from the French sister-company, so presumably that is a fairly straightforward option again. On weekdays the single Irish aircraft was not too heavily tasked.

MrAero36 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:46 pm

Ah I see, says the blind man, that makes sense I guess, bring in more capacity from the French side as the need arises.

Clydenairways · Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:31 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 234):

Last summer, additional capacity at weekends was sourced from the French sister-company, so presumably that is a fairly straightforward option again. On weekdays the single Irish aircraft was not too heavily tasked.

I would like to see Air Contractors get another pax 737 on the Irish AOC.
I think there is a gap in the market since Aviajet,Futura and then Eirjet went T.Up.
Most of the charters are being flown by UK carriers at the moment.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:01 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 229):
I'm going to provide a dissenting voice in this regard because I feel that these load factors, while positive, are misleading without an average revenue per seat consideration:

I understand the yield / revenue considerations, but I was making a relativley simple point that there is demand for Premium cabins out of and into Ireland. Some elements, and i think we know who those are, would have you believe there is none.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 229):
I would also question the extent to which people, in general, are willing to spend on luxury items as a norm still.

I dont think Phil was being general, just pointing out that there are some people still willing to spend on luxury items. The general narrative of the country at this time would have you believe that "No one" has any money to spend on anything, which is of course untrue.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:38 pm

Quoting HarpandShamrock (Reply 225):
Don't think that was the reason, I was airside for nearly 4 hours on Thursday, and one of their Dash 8's was parked off the 200 gates all that time, with their morning SOU flight still on the boards. Presumably it went tech?

A Dash 8 going tech?? Never!!!!

They have a bit of a rep as "hanger queens" alright!

OA260 · Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:46 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 229):
There is a lot of merit in what you say. However - many people in Ireland have been utterly ruined for a long time

And I know people who were in poverty during the Celtic Tiger and in the boom times in Greece . I guess it all depends on personal circumstances and where you are in life. My own situation has gone from working to obtain a comfortable lifestyle to now choosing my hours and leisure time to enjoy the fruits of my labour. When people were shelling out stupid money for things I was paying off my debts. Turned out to be a good choice.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 238):
A Dash 8 going tech?? Never!!!!

I took a pic of their nearly two hour delay in my TR . That was on Wednesday 9th November .

harpandshamrock · Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:30 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 239):
I took a pic of their nearly two hour delay in my TR . That was on Wednesday 9th November .

I read your excellent trip report and I was wondering what date it was when I saw the photo of the delayed BE flight. The morning SOU you photographed was at about 6 hours delayed and counting when I left DUB on thursday the day after! EXT was also about 30 minutes late.

I've had 3 flights with BE so far, all on the Dash 8. 6 of the friendliest cabin crew members I've ever met, but 2 out of my 3 flights being delayed isn't such a good statistic! At least only one of them was for a technical problem, the other was for a freak and unfortunate combination of a weather delay followed by someone from groundcrew slipping and breaking the luggage door in torrential rain in EXT.

shamrock604 · Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:10 am

Quoting HarpandShamrock (Reply 240):
I read your excellent trip report and I was wondering what date it was when I saw the photo of the delayed BE flight. The morning SOU you photographed was at about 6 hours delayed and counting when I left DUB on thursday the day after! EXT was also about 30 minutes late.

They dont get the name "Flymaybe" from nowhere. They are very tech and delay prone - the Dash 8 is a bit of a hanger Queen as I said, and Flybe have a lot of very small bases where there will only be one or two aircraft stationed, and often flying a lot of W patterns. It makes for a schedule that can be difficult to manage when disruption hits.

Dont get me wrong, I love them as an airline - it is simply the way their schedule is.

Jambost · Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:44 am

BE seem to have the unluckiest delays. My hop from BHD - MAN was delayed because a passenger had a panic attack on push back. The pilot pulled back in and set us back 35 minutes, not exactly 4 hours but the crew were fantastic, pilot announcement and the cabin crew quietly informing passengers what was happening, great service considering it was a Dash 8.

OA260 · Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:21 am

Quoting HarpandShamrock (Reply 240):
The morning SOU you photographed was at about 6 hours delayed and counting when I left DUB on thursday the day after!

Ouch thats bad. As someone pointed out its an important route for cruise passengers. One reason I always used to take the flight a day before and overnight on SOU as you cant rely on the service and not worth missing the ship.

bx737 · Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:48 pm

Skyliner Magazine says the following about EIs fleet plans: Aer Lingus are going to replace two A320s with A319s and I gather that the other 2 A319s are going to be used for expansion. I think that the futures of CVB-D are in doubt. Irish Air Letter implies that CVA has been withdrawn having recently undergone a C-Check. The rationale being that an aircraft fresh out of C-Check is more saleable than one which needs work done to it. Time will tell.

oneworld77 · Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:19 pm

EI cancelled the last 3 flights of the day into LHR. Will there be a330 to accomodate 500-600 pax (Assuming full load etc) on Monday morning 21/11?

Eagleboy · Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:28 pm

Quoting Reply 245):
EI cancelled the last 3 flights of the day into LHR. Will there be a330 to accomodate 500-600 pax (Assuming full load etc) on Monday morning 21/11?

I assume this was due to all the fog related delays?

Well with the early AGP A330 off the schedule this should free up an A330. And in the past EI have never been shy of sending the A330 to LHR.

kaitak · Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:33 am

Good news for DUB on the Delta front:

http://airlineroute.net/2011/11/20/dl-eu-s12update1/

As well as the Atlanta A330, which will continue during the peak months as with this year, we will also see a 333 from JFK.

Irishbean · Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:55 am

Can some one help here, Does Ethiad have first class from Dublin anyone, I know when they launched it was available, however, I believe now its only business from Dublin, can anyone confirm ? Thanks

Eagleboy · Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:26 am

Quoting irishbean (Reply 248):

Can some one help here, Does Ethiad have first class from Dublin anyone, I know when they launched it was available, however, I believe now its only business from Dublin, can anyone confirm ? Thanks

Business Class only with EY.

EK however, are launching with some great fares in 1st Class from January.

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