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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:13 am
by Irishbean
Thanks Eagle Boy, only issue with EK is there first product from Dublin is awful, not even a lie flat bed, its an old cradle type seat. Does anyone know what lounge they will use in Dublin? If its the DAA lounge, then I think I will continue to with BA/QF for my Syd flights until EK add a newer aircraft from dublin.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:59 am
by Irishbean
Another question, what Airlines have a true fully flat bed in business going into Ireland?
EY have,
Does Delta to Atlanta? Is that all Delta fly into?
AA from ORD do not, was on it last week.
US Airways?
Continental?

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:04 am
by OA260
Quoting kaitak (Reply 247):
Good news for DUB on the Delta front:

Thats great news and look forward to seeing them at DUB.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:11 am
by shamrock604
Quoting irishbean (Reply 251):

DL's new business product is lie flat I think, as is CO's, but I'm unsure if aircraft serving Ireland have been fitted with it yet.

DL operate New York and Atlanta, CO New York EWR and soon Washington.

EI are rumoured to be installing one soon, at least on a trial basis.

EY as you said do offer flat bed. EK do not, at least not yet!

AC, AA and US do not offer a full flat bed either. TS do not have a J product at all.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:33 am
by 330guy
Quoting kaitak (Reply 247):
Good news for DUB on the Delta front:

Correct me if im wrong but that does not show a change to a 333 on the JFK - DUB route.

What it does show is the following:

"Following Routes currently showing Boeing 767-300ER operating, further changes expected. Note the code in ( ) represents operational aircraft in S11:"

I stress S11 (which has passed us) and it has DUB as a 333 which is an error as DUB was a 757 for S11. It looks more like it has been upgraded to a 767 but the first paragraph is the list of S12 changes and for the JFK routes DUB isnt mentioned at all. Or have I missed something??

[Edited 2011-11-21 00:35:17]

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:57 am
by AmricanShamrok
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 253):
CO's, but I'm unsure if aircraft serving Ireland have been fitted with it yet.

All Continental 757s have the new BusinessFirst cabin!

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:27 am
by shamrock604
Quoting 330guy (Reply 254):

This is the meaning I took from that post also. JFK was 7x 757 and 2x767 this summer gone.

That said, I'd be surprised if DL didn't add some capacity this summer given that CO have ceded the second daily flight.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:55 am
by sawtooth
New FR routes being announced this morning at Ireland West,
NOC to GRO, BGY, BVA and HHN appearing in FR system now with ALC and BRS also back from the end of March.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:58 am
by 330guy
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 256):

Yes I agree, Im guessing S12 will be ATL 7x A330 and JFK 7x 767 (possibly 2 or 3x 757 on top)

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:11 am
by shamrock604
Quoting sawtooth (Reply 257):

The SNN base is returning......to NOC! Great news for them though!

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:02 pm
by sawtooth
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 259):
The SNN base is returning......to NOC! Great news for them though!

Routes on the airport homepage now. Are they basing an aircraft?

Quote:
Speaking in Knock, Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary said: "Knock Airport today celebrates four new Ryanair routes in summer 2012 to Barcelona, Frankfurt, Milan and Paris, taking Ryanair’s Knock routes to 14, which will deliver over 500,000 passengers and sustain more than 500 jobs in Knock next summer."

Joe Gilmore, Managing Director Ireland West Airport Knock, said: "We are delighted to welcome these 4 new 2012 routes to/from some of Europe’s biggest tourism markets. In 2012 Ryanair will deliver over 600,000 seats to/from Knock, providing low cost direct access for European tourists to the beautiful west coast of Ireland which will boost tourism in this region.

breakingnews.ie/business/ryanair-announce-four-new-routes-from-knock-airport-529188.html#ixzz1eLCE3SRt
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1121/ryanair_knock.html



[Edited 2011-11-21 04:17:22]

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:04 pm
by AmricanShamrok
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 259):
The SNN base is returning......to NOC!

I was going to say! All ex-Shannon routes. Best of luck to them though - hopefully it won't turn out the same as it did with SNN. The routes should be good for inward tourism too.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:51 pm
by sawtooth
Outside of the major DUB base Ryanairs European network from Ireland now looks like:

NOC > BGY
NOC > BVA
NOC > GRO
NOC > ALC
NOC > HHN
NOC > FAO
NOC > TFS
NOC > LPA
NOC > ACE

SNN > TFS
SNN > LPA
SNN > ACE
SNN > FUE
SNN > AGP
SNN > PMI
SNN > WRO
SNN > NTE

ORK > TFS
ORK > LPA
ORK > ACE
ORK > FUE
ORK > AGP
ORK > FAO

KIR > ALC
KIR > HHN
KIR > FAO

LDY > TFS
LDY > FAO

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:30 pm
by Cabincrewifly
Quoting sawtooth (Reply 262):
ORK > TFS
ORK > LPA
ORK > ACE
ORK > FUE
ORK > AGP
ORK > FAO


Don't forget the other seasonal FR routes from ORK not loaded yet

ALC
BOD
CCF
LPA
BGY
REU

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:33 pm
by tonymctigue
Quoting sawtooth (Reply 260):
The SNN base is returning......to NOC! Great news for them though!

SAA take note - you're being left behind in a very big way. That announcement means that NOC and SNN are almost on par in terms of European routes. In fact, the only two things that SNN has that NOC doesn't is a connection to a major European hub (LHR) and a handful of transatlantic routes. I think this development proves without doubt that there is sufficient demand to and from the West of Ireland to attract new air services but somehow the SAA seem incapable of cashing in on the opportunities. What the hell are they at down there? You can say the catchment of SNN is small but it is a hell of alot bigger than that of NOC which is located in the heart of a region who's population has steadily been in decline (even during the Celtic tiger) whereas SNN is located in the heart of a region which (according to someone's post in the last thread) has increasing population and the second highest disposable income in the country.

Also, not sure how much of a say they had, but management at NOC that they have convinced FR to open non-UK routes where there are other airlines i.e. avoiding a repeat of what happened at SNN

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:46 pm
by BrianDromey
Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 264):
Also, not sure how much of a say they had, but management at NOC that they have convinced FR to open non-UK routes where there are other airlines i.e. avoiding a repeat of what happened at SNN

Excellent point Tony, really quite clever, as they can grow UK routes on the 70-100 seaters, offering the frequency these routes would ideally need, while the 1-3 weekly leisure routes go out on 737/320s. Like you say, balanced growth to a variety of destinations, both City and Sun, with outbound and inbound potential, which is really excellent to see. The team at NOC have certainly done very well. Like you say, makes one wonder what SNN are up to.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:04 pm
by EI564
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 265):
Like you say, makes one wonder what SNN are up to.

Well, a few years ago the shoe was on the other foot and SNN was getting all the growth. If NOC has all these routes (and more) in 3 years then plaudits but we just don't know right now.

FR can be very strategic sometimes. I'm sure this is designed to raise questions in government about how SNN is growing. FR can choose not to grow in SNN and hope the government puts so much pressure on SNN that they will give FR another great deal. We'll see.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:35 pm
by gosimeon
Quoting kaitak (Reply 247):
As well as the Atlanta A330, which will continue during the peak months as with this year, we will also see a 333 from JFK.

Nice!! Long-haul traffic into DUB is getting alot more diverse lately in terms of routes and aircraft then.

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 257):
New FR routes being announced this morning at Ireland West,

I heard the Ireland West CEO (I think that was his position) say they can attract low-cost operators because they are a low-cost airport. Therein lies the crux of the problem for SNN, they have inherited a high-cost airport infrastructure in addition to pensions and whatnot. I think NOC will continue to grow as the economy picks up. I know people wrote them off for a long time, but they worked away and kept costs down and now it really is paying off.

RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:45 pm
by kaitak
Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream (by kaitak Nov 21 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Here's the link to 23/11. Boarding passes at the ready; passports open on the picture page!