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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting teahan (Reply 48):

That would be great news ! I miss SU .
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:19 pm

Quoting teahan (Reply 48):
Aeroflot back to Dublin? Apparently the airline applied for and received permission for a 3 weekly Moscow - Dublin - Moscow. I remember seeing their Tu-134s in Dublin in the 1990s so it would be quite nice to see them back with shiny new A320s.

Greatski!

I do remember them myself, as well; I was on a tour of DUB and we walked around a Tu3, looking through its glazed nose (in fact I think it was in the Gorbachev days of Perestroika and glazed nose!)

A319s would be good, BUT the Sukhoi SSJ might do the job too; it's 1730mi from DUB to SVO, whereas the SSJ's range is 1,800 or so. There is supposed to be a longer range one coming. Currently, I think they're just being used on domestic routes (although obviously in Russia, these can be quite long).

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:28 pm

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A319s would be good, BUT the Sukhoi SSJ might do the job too; it's 1730mi from DUB to SVO, whereas the SSJ's range is 1,800 or so. There is supposed to be a longer range one coming. Currently, I think they're just being used on domestic routes (although obviously in Russia, these can be quite long).

The Superjets are being used on (short) domestic and Ukraine routes. They lack the very good A32S business class hard product. Even the economy class hard product on the more recently delivered A32S is excellent and far ahead any of the new LH BD AF etc slimline seats.
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:36 pm

I suspect the other Chinese rumour is Hainan. Looking at their recent expansion pattern (not all of it that successful), they might be a more likely candidate than CA.
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:47 pm

LH have confirmed that they have reached agreement in principal with IAG to sell BMI to them, no surprise there.
Interesting comment in today's FT though which stated that EI were tabling a bid for some of BMI's LHR slots. I wonder will we see some slots sold to EI ahead of the IAG take-over to appease the regulators? (not much appeasing though considering EI could be the only carrier on the DUB-LHR route)

It also discussed the comments by EI's CEO telling the Irish Govt. and Ryanair to at least combine their stakes and sell them to achieve a much greater share price then if sold piece-meal and separately.

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:51 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 54):
(not much appeasing though considering EI could be the only carrier on the DUB-LHR route)

Indeed and it would be bad for competition and BA might as well keep the slots as any slot sale to EI basically has a BA codeshare .
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:42 pm

How can an island like Ireland that is so dependent upon air connections (as I have read on numerous occasions here) permit such a monopolization of service on such key routes as Dublin/Belfast to London Heathrow? I would expect there to be objections from all quarters on this one. For approval of any sale to IAG of BMI slots that were used for Dublin/Belfast to Heathrow there should be a carve-out and those slots awarded to another, unaffiliated carrier to operate the routes in direct competition to EI/BA. Otherwise, the consumer flying between Dublin/Belfast and Heathrow will be subject to monopoly pricing.
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:05 pm

Quoting Reply 56):

I agree. I'd like to see BA back as the only carrier i would think likely to do it, but I do feel we need another carrier especially on Dublin - London. Pricing has become a little too cozy of late.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:13 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 57):
Pricing has become a little too cozy of late.

Indeed to the point where DUB-LCY is always to be looked at since AF/WX started to offer decent realisitc fares.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:59 pm

Quoting Reply 56):
How can an island like Ireland that is so dependent upon air connections (as I have read on numerous occasions here) permit such a monopolization of service on such key routes as Dublin/Belfast to London Heathrow?

While I do agree I think OA260 above shows the 'big picture view' While EI/BD may have a tight rein on the LHR route there are 3-4 other airports in the London region that are also served from Dublin/Belfast. So as a city pair Dublin/London has choice.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:39 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 59):
So as a city pair Dublin/London has choice.

I disagree. The government of Ireland has repeatedly claimed the the Heathrow route is of utmost importance for connectivity to/from Ireland. Their stance on the safe-guarding of Heathrow slots for Irish services in any eventual sale of Aer Lingus confirms this position. I fail see how one can argue flights to Luton or Stansted can effectively protect long-haul connectivity and/or prevent monopoly pricing on the Heathrow route at the expense of Irish passengers.

For anyone who claims to support having options for connectivity to Ireland and who wants prevent a return to the bygone days of exorbitant fares between Ireland and Heathrow, I don't see how one can support the potential situation.

With that being said, I would not be surprised to see BA offer service on its own metal into Ireland if the BMI purchase is approved. If, as some have stated here, that up to 10% of BA's global revenues originate in Ireland, I don't see how they cannot serve the island. Perhaps 4-5 round-trips a day to feed its network and that of its oneworld partners.
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:04 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 44):
Quoting Reply 60):
I don't see how they cannot serve the island.

BA quit Ireland in 1994, did not come back in the boom or to N.I. after peace there and have always had EI as their servant, I nearly said their slave, providing long haul and even European feed at LHR. This was true even when BA operated their own metal out of Ireland.

Works now, would work in the future, provided the ownership of EI does not pass to FR, who might be tempted to sell the slots or modify the interline agreements. Any slots they are left with post BMI can be leased out in the short term, provided the Competition Authorities will agree. The demise of BM is bad news for DUB / LHR passengers.

A Ryanair spat with a rail ticket vendor in DUB is also covered in the newspapers today.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:14 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 59):

It has choice - but it does not have enough choice. WX/AF is essentially a niche product, and if you exclude it, and now, BD, we now have a duopoly on DUB-LON. This cannot be permitted on a route with over 4 million pax per annum.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:47 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 61):
BA quit Ireland in 1994, did not come back in the boom or to N.I. after peace there and have always had EI as their servant, I nearly said their slave, providing long haul and even European feed at LHR. This was true even when BA operated their own metal out of Ireland.

Are you talking about LHR specifically here?? BA did fly DUB-LGW for quite a while in the 2000s as I used the service myself - until it was pulled and not long after EI started the route.

I'd love BA to be back as I have staff travel on BA - so it would be handy for me  
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:24 pm

Quoting Reply 60):
I disagree. The government of Ireland has repeatedly claimed the the Heathrow route is of utmost importance for connectivity to/from Ireland.

I think there is a difference in this situation. BD now fly LHR-DUB 4-5 times daily, less at weekends. BD/BA are UK airlines, they have no obligation to Ireland, or connecting Ireland to the world (although the situation to Belfast is arguably slightly different). In protecting EI's LHR slots, the government of Ireland was/is protecting the connectiveity of Ireland to the wider world, lest we be in a situation where we are dependent on outside interests to provide connectivity. What other airlines, from other countries choose to do with thier slots is another scenario.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 63):
Are you talking about LHR specifically here?? BA did fly DUB-LGW for quite a while in the 2000s as I used the service myself - until it was pulled and not long after EI started the route.

It was begun by CityFlyer with ATR's, I believe. When Ba acquired cityFlyer this became a BA route, later upguaged to 737s, and pulled a few years ago.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 64):
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 63):
Are you talking about LHR specifically here?? BA did fly DUB-LGW for quite a while in the 2000s as I used the service myself - until it was pulled and not long after EI started the route.

It was begun by CityFlyer with ATR's, I believe. When Ba acquired cityFlyer this became a BA route, later upguaged to 737s, and pulled a few years ago.

At the end some flights were operated by A319s. I think the service finished in 2009.

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:53 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 65):

That's correct, it finished not long after BA briefly flirted with operating DUB-LCY.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:30 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 62):
WX/AF is essentially a niche product

Although they are trying to un niche themselves  
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 63):
BA did fly DUB-LGW for quite a while in the 2000s as I used the service myself - until it was pulled and not long after EI started the route.

Yeah was a great service I flew it a few times and reported on it here :

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:45 am

When BD vacate DUB LHR, will we see an EI A330 operating the route in the morning in between long hauls? The rest of the day EI can easily absorb and yield manage BD capacity. I wonder if ORK and SNN will have frequencies cut?
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:04 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 67):
Yeah was a great service I flew it a few times and reported on it here :

It was indeed. I specifically remember that Club Europe wasn't that pricey either. My best performance on the LGW-DUB route in Club Europe was 3 bottles of champagne in 1A on the 55 minute sector - I was a bit wobbly getting off the aircraft in Dublin, that's for sure!  
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:34 am

Seems like a case of "dont't know what you have til its gone". On that note, I was thinking, the DAA are looking for new routes, have they tried new european carrriers at all?! Like try getting back LOT, Alitalia, TAP, Tarom, Austrian, CSA, BA, (didnt they have a route to Glasgow at one stage?!) , and then some new low cost guys, Air Berlin, Vueling etc. I'll leave this place open for new suggestions! I really think Dublin could be a better aurport offering more airlines, the public jus need more advertising with some good fares, as I think many Irish travellers are conditioned into travelling Aer Lingus or Ryanair and dont even think of another carrier, or if they do, they perceive them as dear, any thiughts??

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:56 pm

I flew BA on the LGW route several times and my last time was in club europe and i must say i couldn't fault the service. It would be great to get BA back.

As for new operators, i think with the new discount scheme in place we might see some new players. Some airlines i'd like to see around here - Easyjet ( never happening) , Finnair, Aegean, Air Asia X, Air China, Aeroflot(wont be waiting long) , Qatar, Kingfisher & Jet Airways. Life at Dublin airport would be alot more interesting if we had a few new players.

I think the Low cost airlines won't be rushing to DUB where the big daddy of All LCC is based. FR won't like someone messing with them on their home turf. I think we'll start seeing more full service airlines and long haul asian airlines looking into DUB.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:36 pm

Quoting rufusisgod (Reply 71):

I agree. I think LOT and CSA are two gaping holes, with uncontested PRG and WAW routes on which EI fares are comparatively high.

AY should return also, and TP are on a growth path, with EI having grown the LIS market very successfully.

We need a new competitor on London - and I contend BA are in a much better position to do it now then they ever were.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:55 pm

Quoting rufusisgod (Reply 71):
Air Asia X

Or Scoot or Jetstar; I think that a low cost long haul to S E Asia would be a very interesting move; the only problem is that, being low cost carriers, these airlines would want to fly n/s and then, you're back to the runway issue, which we can be pretty sure won't be resolved anytime soon. Whatever carrier does it, if any does, it will be a carrier operating via somewhere en route, or a 787 operator (Jetstar).
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:11 pm

Quoting Bestwestern (Reply 68):

An A330 to LHR   Now that would entice me.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 69):

Lol... Yeah the EUR59 upgrades were great. Better still was a quick email
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:44 pm

Quick1: The AirFrance/KLM mobile app gave me a moblie boarding pass for a flight from DUB tomorrow - is this legit, i.e. are m-passes now working at DUB T1 ?
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:21 pm

Quoting rojam (Reply 75):

Yes I used an EI boarding pass on my iPhone at security in T1 at the end of September with no problem at all. Have to say, those railway station-like sliding barriers at the new security gates in T1 are very snazzy indeed!
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:21 pm

Quoting rojam (Reply 75):

Yes, AF have offered it since last week.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:10 pm

When does anybody think the sale of BMI to BA will be concluded? I presume I'm fone with my flight to London on the 26th of November?

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:15 pm

Quoting Bestwestern (Reply 68):
When BD vacate DUB LHR, will we see an EI A330 operating the route in the morning in between long hauls?

Well if the deal goes through and BA leave EI to service DUB-LHR alone you never know. As well as having to increase frequency, BA have just put a 767 back on the GLA-LHR to cope with demand since BD vacated it earlier this year.....
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:28 am

Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 78):
When does anybody think the sale of BMI to BA will be concluded? I presume I'm fone with my flight to London on the 26th of November?

The deal is expected to be signed off by the end of the year and BA are expecting to get the keys to Donnington in the Spring, subject to regulatory approval - which could take a lot longer. The first tangible signs of integration are not likely to occur before Winter 2012 schedules (presumably a blanket BA codeshare on all BD routes, minor adjustments to the schedules on common routes) probably Summer 2013 and beyond for the bigger changes, terminal swaps, route closures, expansions and so on. It's fair to say almost nothing will happen until after the Olympics and not until the A380s and 787s start arriving in significant numbers.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:37 am

Couple of points and a couple of questions:
BA had service through British Airways Regional and British Airways City Express and British Airways Connect ( BAR, BACE and BACON respectively) to Ncl, lba, brs, cwl, sou, gla and LGW. It also had ops from gla to GWY for a while and ops into noc, along with the pso Loganair ops ldy to dub. This was all in the naughties.
The LGW flights were always full but yield was normally awful, as a user of staff travel it was sometimes cheaper for me to book a cheap v or x class ticket to/ from dub and LGW, particularly with a connection at either end.

As to their future plans, who knows!! Don't forget that IAG is buying bmi, not BA. If they have no strategic plan then we might see them slot sitting and continue with the current ops in some form, but, those erj's are going to ABZ for the group that are buying bmi regional, who is going to operate those flights in th scenario of continued ops?
Bmi could become a brand within the IAG group, with a specialised focus, carrying the BA code.

Alternatively, and more likely, I think, it is going to be wound down over 2 to 3 years. At that point, BA might have their own ops into LGW, but there are not going to be ops to LHR, I think.
We will still have wx, Fr and EI on the dub/lon corridor.

By the way the deal is expected to be completed by September 2012, what that means in terms of ops, who knows!!

Now for the questions, flying out of Dublin tonight at 720ish and there was an FI 757 at the B GATES ( or whatever they're calling them this week!) where was this operating to or for who?
Also, there is now a corridor from easons, after security in T1, to T2, has this been long open? Where does this bring you out? Could one be on a T2 flight and motor over to the garden terrace, as it's euphemistically called, for a ciggie, and then head back for the long haul from T2?
Finally, a lot of wx cancellations to lcy tomorrow and also on Saturday when I flew in, why?
Oh, finally finally, Fr are now using 217 to 220 for their departures also, since when and for how long and linked, I presume, is what is happening in the 201 to 214 area? Are they rebuilding? How long will it take?

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:50 am

Quoting Reply 81):
Now for the questions, flying out of Dublin tonight at 720ish and there was an FI 757 at the B GATES ( or whatever they're calling them this week!) where was this operating to or for who?

Was it a cargo one ? Have seen those a few times before.


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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:51 am

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 9):

A quick question for those familiar with Cityjet...

I was out at the airport on Monday afternoon and noticed that the WX flights to CDG are now using AF callsigns (e.g. AFR1479), while the LCY flights retain the WX callsigns (e.g. BCY5116).

While I know they already had separate LCY and CDG operations, they still shared the WX / BCY callsign. Presumably this has now just kicked in with the switch over to Winter season, but can anyone confirm?

The CityJet logo is displayed on the boarding monitors too with not a sniff of Air France to be seen for LCY flights. For CDG flights both AF and WX logos are displayed with the AF code.

Quoting Reply 81):
I presume, is what is happening in the 201 to 214 area? Are they rebuilding? How long will it take?

An overhaul of lighting, intercoms and fire-safety systems apparently.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:36 am

After the positive results from EI, we have more good news from another Irish airline.

http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2840710
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:04 pm

Quoting Reply 81):
Now for the questions, flying out of Dublin tonight at 720ish and there was an FI 757 at the B GATES ( or whatever they're calling them this week!) where was this operating to or for who?

I saw an FI 752 at the 300 (B) Gates at the end of last October. IIRC it arrived around 7pm ish. I think it was a charter from KEF, probably shopping.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:55 pm

Quoting Reply 81):
As to their future plans, who knows!! Don't forget that IAG is buying bmi, not BA........Bmi could become a brand within the IAG group, with a specialised focus, carrying the BA code.

An important point that is easy to overlook in our little corner of aviation. I can't see it happening in the long term but maybe for a year or two?

Quoting Reply 81):
Also, there is now a corridor from Easons, after security in T1, to T2, has this been long open? Where does this bring you out? Could one be on a T2 flight and motor over to the garden terrace, as it's euphemistically called, for a ciggie, and then head back for the long haul from T2?

It has been there from the start, you emerge under the escalators from T2 shops down to the gates, the walk takes you past the EI, EY and DAA lounges.

Quoting lasno (Reply 84):
After the positive results from EI, we have more good news from another Irish airline.

Good news. Very confident prediction from Howard Millar- "We are well booked for the coming months, fractionally ahead of where we were last year....So far we have not seen any impact from recession."

Todays Herald carried a similar story (re profits) but also quoted MoL in relation to 'grounding' 80 aircraft over the winter, although 'this will have no impact on passengers'.
 
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Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:41 pm

United Airlines have officially announced the daily Dublin - Washington route starting June 2012:
http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/unite...ington-route-from-june-527534.html
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Aer Lingus "surrender" head office buildings to consolidate operations in DUB Hangar 6. Didn't know they had a pool...

http://www.4-traders.com/AER-LINGUS-...-Lingus-Head-Office-site-13879396/
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Ryanair say they may yet sell Aer Lingus stake to Ethiad

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But Mr Cawley said that no third party had yet approached Ryanair regarding its holding in Aer Lingus, and said it was unclear at this stage whether Etihad's apparent interest in the Government's 25.1pc stake in Aer Lingus would solidify.

"We wouldn't stand in the way and it would be available for sale," Mr Cawley said of the Ryanair stake.

Asked if that would include a willingness to sell the bulk of its shareholding to Etihad, Mr Cawley indicated that "perhaps" it would be a possibility.

"I'm not going to say yes here, but most importantly I'm not going to say no either," he said. "We'd have to wait to see"
http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ingus-stake-to-etihad-2927975.html
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And Ryanair pessimistic about latest report commissioned on Cork and Shannon:

Quote:
“We are absolutely pessimistic that nothing is going to come of this because the brief they [Booz] have got is that they can’t break off Cork and Shannon without taking the debts they’ve got,” Mr Cawley said.

He said Cork Airport’s debt was too great for it to be able to operate as a standalone entity. “You can’t run an airport the size of Cork with debts of €130 million,” he said. “We recommended that most if not all of the debt should be taken away from Cork . . . [to] give them the freedom to make financial deals with the likes of ourselves away from Dublin,” Mr Cawley said.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2011/1108/1224307206912.html
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Sir Alex opens FlyBE NOC-MAN route:
http://www.irelandwestairport.com/utility/news_details.aspx?id=278
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:18 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 87):
He said Cork Airport’s debt was too great for it to be able to operate as a standalone entity

I thought we (and everybody else) had reached that conclusion years ago.

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 87):
We recommended that most if not all of the debt should be taken away from Cork

and given to?

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:35 pm

The new DUB-IAD route will be operated by a Boeing 757-200 and the second daily DUB-EWR service (CO126/CO127) will be axed. So no capacity increase just a change of route - interestingly, the new rotation will take the same flight numbers - UA126 and UA127.

It's now bookable on Continental.com and United.com.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:07 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 82):

Could've been, it wasn't on the arrivals/departures board when I checked.

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 86):

Never seen it before and will come in useful when I take EK on the 10/01/12!!!

Thanks both!
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:49 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 87):
United Airlines have officially announced the daily Dublin - Washington route starting June 2012:

Nice one! As one suggested in the previous thread, this should give EI a badly needed kick up the arse. It is funny to think that an EI bird is flying IAD to MAD on behalf of UA whereas UA will be flying DUB-IAD and who knows, may seek to expand from DUB to SFO in the future, SFO being a big UA hub and hopefully a seasonal SNN-ORD service when things improve.

Here is something that should be considered.

CO/UA have an existing daily 767 EWR-DUB service, an existing daily 757 EWR-SNN (increasing to 11 weekly in summer), an existing daily 757 service from EWR-BFS and a new 757 service to IAD, giving UA/CO as total of 4 routes out of Ireland year round with a total of 28 flights per week in winter and increasing to 32 flights per week in summer.

EI currently have a 3 weekly A330 SNN-BOS service, a four weekly A330 SNN-JFK service for 9 months of the year, 11 weekly A330 service from DUB-JFK, 11 weekly A330 service from DUB-BOS, 5 weekly A330 DUB-MCO service and an 11 weekly DUB-ORD service, giving them a total of 4 routes and 38 flights per week in the winter increasing to 6 routes and 45 flights per week in summer out of Ireland.

Putting aircraft size aside for the minute, it wouldn't take much to tip the balance in favour of UA becoming the biggest airline out of Ireland to the USA. There is one more more fairly obvious route in the form of DUB-SFO, another former EI route that worked in the past in the form of SNN-ORD (even if seasonally) and I'd be willing to argue there is potential for BFS-ORD service (if the air travel tax issue in Northern Ireland is dealt with). That is a shameful reflection on how badly EI have handled their long haul operation. With that in mind, could UA/CO be a potential buyer in any EI takeover attempt? There is certainly alot to gain from UA's point of view.
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:14 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 91):
That is a shameful reflection on how badly EI have handled their long haul operation. With that in mind, could UA/CO be a potential buyer in any EI takeover attempt? There is certainly alot to gain from UA's point of view.

I agree that it looks bad for previous EI operations, I would counter that the 'new; UNited have a lot more ability to expand at present that a smaller carrier. (As the rationalise the entire UA/CO route network it fees up a few aircraft for less attractive routes?) I still think it is an odd decidion by UA to start such a route, seems a deliberate snub to a partner. It is the EI deal with UA that is tieing up an aircraft that could allow EI to start a new route in 2012.

EI HOB does not have a pool itself, but the ALSAA swimming pool is located very close to it. I think you can see it on your right as you drive up to T2.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:16 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 91):
EI currently have a 3 weekly A330 SNN-BOS service, a four weekly A330 SNN-JFK service for 9 months of the year, 11 weekly A330 service from DUB-JFK, 11 weekly A330 service from DUB-BOS, 5 weekly A330 DUB-MCO service and an 11 weekly DUB-ORD service, giving them a total of 4 routes and 38 flights per week in the winter increasing to 6 routes and 45 flights per week in summer out of Ireland.

DUB-JFK is 14 weekly, except JAN-MAR, when it's 11 weekly
MCO is 3 weekly, and 2 weekly next May
ORD is 7 weekly

Continentals EWR service is a 757; the 767 was cut when it went 2x daily. CO will operate 32 flights per week from Ireland with all 757 equipment. This is impressive but in terms of capacity, it lags behind 42 weekly 330 flights that EI will operate.

I can't see UA ever opening a West Coast route. ORD could be possible, although they seem content with EI feeding their hub at present.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:24 pm

Quoting ein105 (Reply 93):
Continentals EWR service is a 757; the 767 was cut when it went 2x daily. CO will operate 32 flights per week from Ireland with all 757 equipment. This is impressive but in terms of capacity, it lags behind 42 weekly 330 flights that EI will operate.

Exactly, very well reasoned.

Additionally, as I added previously - it's all very well announcing new routes, but it's the overall net annual change in traffic volumes that are important, and it's quite obvious that with no net increase in capacity, that we won't be seeing any positive implications from the newly announced abovementioned route in this regard.

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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:23 pm

I just saw a billboard promoting the new DUB-DXB route in Limerick city. This annoys me to no end as Limerick isn't in the DUB catchment area. I wonder if the likes of this advertising will affect passenger numbers and yields on SNN-LHR for connections to the middle east?
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:32 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 94):
Additionally, as I added previously - it's all very well announcing new routes, but it's the overall net annual change in traffic volumes that are important, and it's quite obvious that with no net increase in capacity, that we won't be seeing any positive implications from the newly announced abovementioned route in this regard.

Let's not forget that the IAD service will be year round while the 2nd Newark service was Summer only. So it is a sizable gain in volume to the Irish market as a result.
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:37 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 94):
it's all very well announcing new routes, but it's the overall net annual change in traffic volumes that are important, and it's quite obvious that with no net increase in capacity

Figures should not change, but it will be interesting to see how UA chooses to route people. I think overall a daily IAD and daily EWR is preferable to 2 x daily EWR. I suspect this will improve yields to EWR and more connecting traffic will be sent over IAD where possible. I imagine that if demand is strong then a 767 could be seen on EWR-DUB at some point, but I don't think UA have the available aircraft for it this summer.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 95):

I just saw a billboard promoting the new DUB-DXB route in Limerick city. This annoys me to no end as Limerick isn't in the DUB catchment area.

Of course it is, it's only a two hour drive! The whole country is catchment for DUB. Look at something like IKEA, it draws people from all over the country. Before the Dublin store opened people would go to Belfast from all over the island!
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:41 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 95):
I just saw a billboard promoting the new DUB-DXB route in Limerick city. This annoys me to no end as Limerick isn't in the DUB catchment area.

Do Limerick people not travel to DXB? A drive to DUB is not such a hassle. I have driven to SNN before from Newry so if the flight is attractive and avoids CDG or LHR then shouldnt make a difference. Wouldnt be worth it for European routes but for longhaul its different. If they suddenly started SNN-HAV again like old SU flights Id certainly go to SNN. Its not such a big country  
 
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RE: Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir

Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:57 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 95):
This annoys me to no end as Limerick isn't in the DUB catchment area.

I don't mean to be insulting and point out the obvious but you can't fly direct SNN-DXB anyway? What exactly is the problem with DUB-DXB being advertised in Limerick?

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