UA New Service IAD To DUB?

jetstream63 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:59 pm

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but Irish radio was reporting this morning that UA would be starting a new nonstop from IAD to DUB next May. Can anyone confirm and also if this will be actually flown by UA or would be another JV with EI like IAD to MAD ?

LH417AF025 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:49 pm

just saw this website...

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Uni...C-service-to-Dublin-132985343.html

Frictionfool · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:10 pm

Trying to discern what aircraft will be used. They show a pic of a United 744, LOL. The article mentions 180 seats, including 50 premium economy seats. If they use their own metal, are we looking at a reconfigured PMCO 762, PMUA 763, or a 757 w/o Business/First?

Rdh3e · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:14 pm

No insider info, but it's not in the schedule yet.

washingtonian · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:15 pm

Very exciting! Perfect route for the 757-200! After reading the news about the 757s struggling on CDG/AMS-IAD, it seems that Manchester and Dublin are probably the only two routes from Dulles that the 757 would be ok on. Glad to see we are getting Dublin service!

I'm also happy that the new United is smartly investing in all of its hubs, instead of just growing from Newark and Houston.

Rdh3e · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:17 pm

Quoting Frictionfool (Reply 2):
Trying to discern what aircraft will be used. They show a pic of a United 744, LOL. The article mentions 180 seats, including 50 premium economy seats. If they use their own metal, are we looking at a reconfigured PMCO 762, PMUA 763, or a 757 w/o Business/First?

Looks like it's probably a PMUA 752. That's the closest match with 182 ttl, and 50 E+. Could be a redeployment of any Hawaiian service A/C that are being replaced by PMCO 767's.

EDIT:
Or could be a reconfigured CO 757 after they get E+.

[Edited 2011-11-01 08:17:48]

UAL777UK · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:23 pm

Good news, I look forward ot an official announcement from UA.

I cannot see it being flown with anything other than a 757 .

washingtonian · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:33 pm

The only other big change I could see for United at Dulles next year is sorting out its IAD-MAD flight. I can't see the arrangement with AerLingus lasting that much longer; I hope they continue the service with a 2-class 763 or a 2-class 764 though.

codc10 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:39 pm

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 5):

Looks like it's probably a PMUA 752. That's the closest match with 182 ttl, and 50 E+. Could be a redeployment of any Hawaiian service A/C that are being replaced by PMCO 767's.

EDIT:
Or could be a reconfigured CO 757 after they get E+.

Any new transatlantic 757 route operated by United will absolutely be a 757-224/ET. The configuration is supposedly going to be 16J/45Y+/108Y and it won't take very long for that to become a reality.

skinny · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:41 pm

Rumour has it ORD-BHX but nothing heard as yet.

UAL777UK · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:42 pm

Quoting skinny (Reply 9):
Rumour has it ORD-BHX but nothing heard as yet.

i would have hoped for ORD-MAN before we saw that. Time will tell.

skipness1E · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:43 pm

Quoting skinny (Reply 9):
Rumour has it ORD-BHX but nothing heard as yet.

Given that EWR-BHX struggles are you suggesting instead of the New York service?

klwright69 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:47 pm

Of course it will be a 757. Given that CO uses the 757 from EWR, that is the only logical choice. Yes, the photo of the 747 does make me want to laugh for this announcement.

COEWR787 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:58 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12):
Of course it will be a 757. Given that CO uses the 757 from EWR, that is the only logical choice.

And also considering that CO already flies 757 from IAD to CDG.

washingtonian · Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 13):
And also considering that CO already flies 757 from IAD to CDG.

Not for long, if all the rumors about a large number of tech-stops are accurate. And it's not even winter yet!

skinny · Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:39 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 11):
Given that EWR-BHX struggles are you suggesting instead of the New York service?

Struggles ?
I did not know that i thought it did quite well have you evidence to support this?

skipness1E · Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:27 pm

Quoting skinny (Reply 15):
Struggles ?
I did not know that i thought it did quite well have you evidence to support this?

Premium traffic is still funneled through Heathrow which is not too far away, the year they tried to make it double daily, it nearly killed the route. It does alright but BHX is a tricky one to grow due to it's proximity to London. $ for $ flying that B757 into BHX / BRS / LHR is the same distance out of EWR but you can make the BRS and BHX people use Heathrow and still get the premium traffic and connections that would use LHR anyway to up the yields and fill the aircraft. The BRS aircraft was used to up frequency from LHR, American dropped BHX citing the same logic.

United opening IAD-DUB is interesting but surely at some point somethings got to give.
We're looking at DUB-US for 2012 of :

AA DUB-ORD
DL DUB-ATL
DL DUB-JFK
UA DUB-EWR
UA DUB-IAD
US DUB-PHL
US DUB-CLT

EI DUB-JFK
EI DUB-BOS
EI DUB-ORD
EI-DUB-MCO
and
AC DUB-YYZ

Hence, is the second Newark going to be the Dulles service or will UA have three flights to the US per day?

[Edited 2011-11-01 10:32:53]

aznmadsci · Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:52 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
Hence, is the second Newark going to be the Dulles service or will UA have three flights to the US per day?

I doubt UA will reduce EWR-DUB unless they upgauged a flight to eliminate the second flight. But it will be interesting to see how UA will shuffle their medium-haul and long-haul aircraft around.

mdtrunner · Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:58 pm

The IAD-MAD route is doing fine with EI operating, I could see EI taking care of IAD-DUB as well.

kgaiflyer · Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:01 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 14):
Not for long, if all the rumors about a large number of tech-stops are accurate. And it's not even winter yet!

Okay -- drag out the 762s. We've finally found a niche for them.

washingtonian · Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
Hence, is the second Newark going to be the Dulles service or will UA have three flights to the US per day?

Very interesting question and it will be quite telling as to United's future intentions. If such a strategy works with Dublin, it can work with other cities as well. There's no reason why United can't funnel lower-yielding connecting passengers through Dulles over Newark, all other things being equal.

Quoting mdtrunner (Reply 18):
The IAD-MAD route is doing fine with EI operating, I could see EI taking care of IAD-DUB as well.

I doubt the CO pilots and management will go for this.

mdtrunner · Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:31 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 20):
I doubt the CO pilots and management will go for this.

Nor the E-170's, but they are great for business.

Rdh3e · Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:43 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 20):
I doubt the CO pilots and management will go for this.

Forget the CO pilots going for it. The UA pilots would flip out. Besides, i'd bet that UA will just take up that flying with the contract with EI expires.

tommy767 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:09 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 17):

EWR-DUB could go to a 767 come the summer. The route used to be operated on 767s and DC10s.

fun2fly · Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:28 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 23):
EWR-DUB could go to a 767 come the summer. The route used to be operated on 767s and DC10s

or 10 or 11x weekly via 752 (vs. current 14x weekly) with the addition of the IAD>DUB route (if true).

Now back to the topic, TATL seems to be at capacity (read all the trimming the TATL airlines are doing) and fares are relatively high (well over $1k per RT) so why would the airlines introduce a slug of capacity, wreck fares etc. especially when they just setup ATI?

If I had to bet, EWR to Istanbul in addition to the (possible) EWR>Cairo. That's it. Lots of equipment gauge movement however!

IrishAyes · Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:35 pm

Quoting mdtrunner (Reply 18):
The IAD-MAD route is doing fine with EI operating, I could see EI taking care of IAD-DUB as well.

EI tried DUB-IAD a few years ago and it failed.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 20):
I doubt the CO pilots and management will go for this.

Exactly.

washingtonian · Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:48 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 25):
EI tried DUB-IAD a few years ago and it failed.

With an A-330 if I'm correct?

I think the 757 will do great on this route. They can tap into the O&D, and relieve EWR of some of the connecting passengers.

ein105 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 22):

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 20):
I doubt the CO pilots and management will go for this.

Forget the CO pilots going for it. The UA pilots would flip out. Besides, i'd bet that UA will just take up that flying with the contract with EI expires.

IAD-MAD is contentious as it is. It remains to be seen what will happen with the route past March

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 23):

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 17):

EWR-DUB could go to a 767 come the summer. The route used to be operated on 767s and DC10s.

"Poison Slows You Down..." -- Dr. Steve Brule

The route was never a DC10. it has operated as 767-400 and -20 during previous Summer seasons

dutchflyboi · Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:05 pm

According to this, it will be on

Quoting ein105 (Reply 27):
IAD-MAD is contentious as it is. It remains to be seen what will happen with the route past March

It has been extended until the end of the contract March 2013...(at least that is what management has informed the flight and cabin crews) A new class is starting in January 2012 to be based starting February 2012 at IAD. If it will be renewed after that remains to be seen.

Eagleboy · Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:13 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 7):
The only other big change I could see for United at Dulles next year is sorting out its IAD-MAD flight. I can't see the arrangement with AerLingus lasting that much longer;

The IAD-MAD operation has been extended up to end of next Summer according to info as of last month.

Quoting mdtrunner (Reply 18):
The IAD-MAD route is doing fine with EI operating, I could see EI taking care of IAD-DUB as well

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 20):
I doubt the CO pilots and management will go for this.

I doubt the EI IAD base could handle another route, large turnover of cabin crew, still recruiting at the moment.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 25):
EI tried DUB-IAD a few years ago and it failed

Different environment then.
-Recession was just starting to bite when EI stopped the route in 2009,
-Higher fuel, higher cost base at EI,
-larger aircraft in the A332,
-less brand awareness in IAD than United have,
-J class product was not as good as it is now with EI,
-US pre-clearance now available in DUB, -UA can avail of US Govt traffic,
-I don't think EI codeshared with UA at the time, so less opportunities for transfer traffic.

Damian · Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:19 pm

Good news for DUB if true. Is there any possibility that UA could add IAD-EDI into the mix too? EWR-EDI has been 2 x daily 752 during the summer months for several years, but there only seems to be a single daily 752 flight between EWR and EDI on sale at the moment for summer 2012.

shamrock604 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:44 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
United opening IAD-DUB is interesting but surely at some point somethings got to give.

Why is this continually mentioned every time another new route is opened from DUB?

Yes, Ireland is small. We know that!

But, in high season, loads on US services are always strong, and its an easy market to put a 757 on in high season from a US east coast hub.

Maybe people just need to start accepting that the market is just a bit better than you think it is, and that the world doesnt begin and end in the UK and France as far as TATL travel is concerned..... just a thought!

Additionally, why is everyone finding the photo of the 747 so funny? Media outlets will search for a picture of a United Aircraft. If they have not been supplied with the details of what aircraft will be scheduled, how are they to know what kind of aircraft to search for? It could as well have been a bloody Brasilia or an Embraer. Wink

Besides, even if you did tell them what aircraft was used, they would probably still put the wrong photo up anyway! Wink

[Edited 2011-11-01 14:16:12]

shamrock350 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:22 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 29):
-I don't think EI codeshared with UA at the time, so less opportunities for transfer traffic.

EI/UA did code share on the route for about a year before it was closed, both airlines began code sharing in November 2008 and the route ended in late October 2009. The connections were never marketed by EI, they seemed to always promote connections on UA through ORD.

STT757 · Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:27 pm

Quoting ein105 (Reply 27):
The route was never a DC10. it has operated as 767-400 and -20 during previous Summer seasons

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 23):
EWR-DUB could go to a 767 come the summer. The route used to be operated on 767s and DC10s.

GLA was a DC-10, as was BHX but I think he's right that DUB was never a DC-10. While on the subject I remember when EWR-MAN was a regularly scheduled 777!

skipness1E · Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:20 am

The reason I mention something has to give is that Ireland is incredibky seasonal and these services are year round, by and large.

Cubsrule · Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:12 am

Quoting dutchflyboi (Reply 28):
It has been extended until the end of the contract March 2013...

If Smisek has any sense, he'll get out of it ASAP. The whole reason for its existence - that UA lacked a low enough density aircraft - is gone. Continuing the arrangement will just anger the pilots more (and it probably should).

shamrock604 · Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:08 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 34):
The reason I mention something has to give is that Ireland is incredibky seasonal and these services are year round, by and large.

Not really.

CO cut down to 1 per day on EWR for winter.
AA cut ORD for the winter
US cut CLT for the Winter
AC cut YYZ for the winter
EI cut down to 1 daily BOS

Of them all, only EI and DL maintain more than 50% of their peak summer operation for winter.

aznmadsci · Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:49 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
Hence, is the second Newark going to be the Dulles service or will UA have three flights to the US per day?

I doubt UA will reduce EWR-DUB unless they upgauged a flight to eliminate the second flight. But it will be interesting to see how UA will shuffle their medium-haul and long-haul aircraft around.

shamrock604 · Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:10 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 37):
I doubt UA will reduce EWR-DUB unless they upgauged a flight to eliminate the second flight. But it will be interesting to see how UA will shuffle their medium-haul and long-haul aircraft around.

I'd imagine a large amount of transfer traffic will be shifted to the IAD flight, with just one flight per day on EWR-DUB, perhaps on a 767, in order to push up yield on the EWR service. They really would need the 767 in summer at least.

gullairACK · Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:39 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 36):
Of them all, only EI and DL maintain more than 50% of their peak summer operation for winter.

I think you are referencing Dublin operations, but for Irish Operations SNN takes a hit from DL and EI. CO still maintains daily vs 11/week ex. SNN in addition to the daily DUB flight (vs. 2 daily in Summer). Overall, EI and CO maintain more than 50% of their Summer ops, I'm not sure if DL does???

SurfandSnow · Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:45 am

An excellent addition to the network, if true. PMUA was handicapped by its own policy of only sending widebody, four-class (F/J/Y+/Y) aircraft on all long haul intercontinental routes. Routes like IAD-DUB wouldn't be feasible with such ultra-premium birds, but now they can finally start it - with an appropriate Y-heavy bird! I wonder if other leisure routes, like IAD-BER, IAD-BCN, IAD-ATH, etc. could come to fruition in due course as well....

skipness1E · Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:13 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 40):
PMUA

Have mercy! Is this airliners.net speak for "pre merger" or "post merger"? WALOS!

AmricanShamrok · Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:40 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 37):
I doubt UA will reduce EWR-DUB

Now bookable online. EWR-DUB is downgraded to one daily flight (757-200) from when the new IAD-DUB (also a 757) route takes effect. So no capacity increase. Also, it appears the new IAD-DUB-IAD rotation will take the same flight numbers as the EWR-DUB-EWR service that's being cut - UA126 and UA127.

Coalways · Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:54 pm

CO will also add IAD-MAN in addition to IAD-DUB

http://airlineroute.net/2011/11/08/ua-dubman-s12/

STT757 · Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:12 pm

Excellent additions, would have liked to also see GLA return to IAD. I would be curious if DUB gets a larger aircraft from EWR now that it's going down to a single daily. Also with all these new Trans-Atlantic 757s operating from IAD how about putting some on EWR-IAD, at some point the regionals have to come off that route as per the pilot contract.

UAL777UK · Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:17 pm

Quoting COalways (Reply 43):
CO will also add IAD-MAN in addition to IAD-DUB

Great stuff. I only wish that UA would restart (I realise it was CO previously) BRS - EWR again with the 757 as I am sure they could capture a large catchment from the South West and the West and Wales M4 Corridor. Was this flight really that bad on yields, I took it once and it was packed there and back but of course that means diddly!

kgaiflyer · Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:19 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 41):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 40):

PMUA

Have mercy! Is this airliners.net speak for "pre merger" or "post merger"? WALOS!

Premerger

Post merger would be "CO-UA" or "CO-UA Holdings".

kgaiflyer · Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:43 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 45):

Great stuff. I only wish that UA would restart (I realise it was CO previously) BRS - EWR again with the 757 as I am sure they could capture a large catchment from the South West and the West and Wales M4 Corridor.

If not, the nice people at London-Oxford Airport ( OXF ) would probably underwrite such a flight. They are currently hawking service to New York as OXF-DUB-EWR. These are business people who would -- no doubt -- draw blood to get a nonstop.

East of Bristol but much of the same market -- plus all of the Thames Valley.

tommy767 · Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:46 pm

Quoting COalways (Reply 43):
CO will also add IAD-MAN in addition to IAD-DUB

Great! I definitely called these routings a while back

UAL777UK · Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:36 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 47):
If not, the nice people at London-Oxford Airport ( OXF ) would probably underwrite such a flight

Hmm, with LHR and BHX literally "just up the road" from Oxford I think they are really going to struggle to realise those dreams, perhaps they should concentrate on the more moderate short haul ops first. Not exactly sure who operates from there at the moment to be honest.

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