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Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:21 am

Quoting itsonlyme (Reply 47):
this is probably way to early in the piece, but does anyone have any idea what may happen to diamond club members?

Having just completed enough miles to secure Gold on BMI for the 2012-3 period, it is not clear to me what will happen to my miles or my status. I can see that BD was not succeeding as a business but as a passenger living near LHR and a BD Gold, it is a sad day for me.
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It can't be long until Virgin start whingeing and throwing their toys out of the cot, spinning themselves as the hard done by loser in the deal.

It will be interesting to see whether they actually want any of the slots they might gain as part of the deal - once again time to call their bluff....or watch for the usual excuses.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:24 am

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 51):
It can't be long until Virgin start whingeing and throwing their toys out of the cot, spinning themselves as the hard done by loser in the deal.

They already are, and have been since news came our IAG were looking at BD
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:38 am

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Isn't these to a large extent flown on behalf of LH (and OS)
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:42 am

Bloody hell! Great news for BA! BD has gone to a good owner!
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:50 am

Quoting r2rho (Reply 37):
Regardings fleets, IMO, BMI Regional will be shut down asap, the 737Classics might join the BA fleet for a while until they are all retired, and for the others:

As far as has been reported, they are not purchasing regional, thats going to a Scottish investor. You can also bet BA won't be taking any 737's thats for sure! Details of bmibaby have not been forthcoming yet but BA are likely to have little interest in the operation or their old aircraft.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:08 pm

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 4):
Sometimes the Germans aren't so bright. BMW buying Rover and the BMI deal 2 recent reminders.

BMW did get the consolation prize of the new Mini, so at least some good came of the deal, likewise LH transferred some LHR slots from BD. Still a hefty porce tag though in bothe cases.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 8):
A sad day in British aviation. Farewell to one of the best airlines in Europe.

One of the best airlines ? passengers deserting in droves, unclear and erratic strategy, whatever would you have to do to be the best ?

Quoting oykie (Reply 19):
Quoting PM (Reply 16):
The same: IAE (=P&W!)

How the world has changed lately A year ago, I would have believed P&W would leave IAE, bot RR.

The IAE situation appears to be complex to say the least, 6 months ago it appeared that P&W had gone it alone on the next generation of A320 engines and RR was out in the cold, subsequent announcements seem to suggest that there is a lot of financial and operational changes going on and whilst names and shareholdings have changed its probably not too different to before in respect of who does what.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 23):
Unfortunately this will mean that we are the ones who will suffer. Im sure the fares will go up on routes where they were competing. Plus, I cant see the EU allow BA to be that large at the main EU airport.

Whilst LHR generally attracts a premium over the other London airports, it also costs more to operatre there. I can't see that BA will have much room to increase prices, when there are four other alternative airports serving London.

Quoting bevisisback (Reply 29):
What confuses me is why would LH buy BD only to sell it a couple of years later?

All due to what was seemingly a good decision in 1999, which turned into a bad decision 1n 2009 when Sir Michael Bishop exercised the binding purchase agreement signed a decade earlier.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 51):
It can't be long until Virgin start whingeing and throwing their toys out of the cot, spinning themselves as the hard done by loser in the deal.

They are probably applying the "No way BA/BD" stickers as I type this
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:10 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):

"Quoting ebbuk (Reply 4):
What Lufthansa thought they could do with BMI never was going to work. Sometimes the Germans aren't so bright. BMW buying Rover and the BMI deal 2 recent reminders.

Don't forget that is wasn't their choice to buy BD. They were forced into it by an agreement written back when BD was a very different airline."

My beef is with how they managed BD. should never kept it independent. It was rotten when they bought it, instead of bringing in some Germanic efficiencies they left them as is.

This model won't work. SN has had record losses, they've kept it separate and watch the others follow....
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:42 pm

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 56):

"Quoting ebbuk (Reply 4):
Sometimes the Germans aren't so bright. BMW buying Rover and the BMI deal 2 recent reminders.

BMW did get the consolation prize of the new Mini, so at least some good came of the deal, likewise LH transferred some LHR slots from BD. Still a hefty porce tag though in bothe cases."


Quite agree. Both companies paying hefty prices for the gems
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:44 pm

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 57):
They are probably applying the "No way BA/BD" stickers as I type this

Probably with as much effect as the '4 engines 4 long haul' and 'no way AA/BA' had!
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:01 pm

Somewhat predictably, numerous sources have been reporting for a few hours now that VS have also made a formal bid, possibly in cooperation with EY.

Here's one source. The usual suspects are reporting a similar story;

http://thegulfonline.com/Articles.aspx?ArtID=4106
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:06 pm

I think this is the best thing that could have happened to BMI. As much as I like to see many different British airlnes BMI was only going one way. At least now it has been saved from going out of business and the employees will have some sort of future. When I flew EDI - LHR return in the summer I flew down on a BA A321 and back on a BMI A319 and the service was much better on BA so I think this deal is for the best.

I am sceptical about mentions of BA B763s on services such as EDI - LHR. I would love it to happen and would book up as soon as I could but I dont see it happening. I just see every service going to A321s as there is nothing in the BA fleet to bridge the gap between the A321 and the B767. I think there would be just too much capacity.

So that is two bad deals the Germans have done in the past couple of decades. Lufthansa and BMI, BMW and Rover. Both turned out a disaster. But I still own two Rovers.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:09 pm

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 57):
My beef is with how they managed BD. should never kept it independent. It was rotten when they bought it, instead of bringing in some Germanic efficiencies they left them as is.
This model won't work. SN has had record losses, they've kept it separate and watch the others follow....

Maybe so in the case of BD but they have just bought SN. Give it some time. What about Swiss? They turned that around pretty good. And who's to say that your expectations and LH's plan for BD were not completely different? Are you sure LH did not get all that they set out to get from the BD deal? They held on the valuable LHR slots and by doing so kept the competition from having easy access to extra slots at LHR, for the good part of a decade. Imagine those BD slots 5-10 years ago falling on the hands of EK or some other up and coming rich carrier siphoning connecting passengers away from LH. Can you imagine the threat to LH if an airline like EK had had the oportunity to setup a mini hub at LHR with routes to N.America.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 60):
Somewhat predictably, numerous sources have been reporting for a few hours now that VS have also made a formal bid, possibly in cooperation with EY.

Here's one source. The usual suspects are reporting a similar story;

http://thegulfonline.com/Articles.as...=4106

Its all just a bit too unbelievable VS half owned somewhat reluctantly by SQ forming an alliance with EY to buy BD which is reluctantly owned by LH. IMO VS firstly need to sort out their relationship with SQ before embarking on anything else.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:25 pm

So that's the end of BMI, I hope.

I don't see this as anything bad. BMI died many years ago, it was just on life support and not looking good.

Once it is out of the way we may see a new regional carrier emerge. That is really what the UK needs, more regional access not more international. A new airline, or a number of smaller airlines, would have lower operating costs and clean sheet marketing and sales opportunities.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:31 pm

Quoting BritishB747 (Reply 61):
I am sceptical about mentions of BA B763s on services such as EDI - LHR

- Why? - BA run a 763 on the LHR-GLA-LHR route.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:21 pm

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 28):
Virgin further sealed the fate of their "bid" by bringing in Etihad. Lufthansa is on record as acknowledging the biggest threat to European carriers are the Gulf carriers, and giving any of them a toe-hold on to one of Europe's major airports was a pill too bitter to swallow; better to cut their losses and sell to a neighbouring competitor who will use the aquisition to consolidate and strengthen their position at their own home hub than to a competitor regarded by Lufthansa as hostile, which would have used LHR to take custom from every single European carrier. They were never going to allow it.

Thank you for this information, explains a lot to someone from the other side of the pond!

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 51):
It can't be long until Virgin start whingeing and throwing their toys out of the cot, spinning themselves as the hard done by loser in the deal.

It will be interesting to see whether they actually want any of the slots they might gain as part of the deal - once again time to call their bluff....or watch for the usual excuses.

If the goal is getting some LHR slots, then we would all do the same...good business sense. I think it would have been better if they had bought BMI but sounds like they didn't have the cash.

Will be interesting to see what Virgin does now? Didn't they announce that they are exploring alliance options?

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 58):
LH transferred some LHR slots from BD.

How many? Any chance we might see LH or UA use them for some purely O&D routes like JFK-LHR ala OpenSkies?
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:25 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 50):

I'm a bit confused as well. From what's being discussed, it seems like the brand will not survive? If so, that leaves * Alliance without a UK carrier...
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:28 pm

This report has some other interesting and notable (at least to me) pieces of information about the transaction:

* Various banks and investment houses all have different estimates of the valuation of BMI (but mainly the Heathrow slots)

* Walsh said that BMI in its current form was "unsustainable," and called its recent losses "unsustainable," both of which are of course true

* Walsh commented that IAG/BA will use the Heathrow slots to "expand [BA's] own long-haul network, particularly on routes to Asia and Latin America"

* Contrary to earlier reports, looks like IAG will at least initially take on baby, but looks - not surprisingly - to want to offload it quickly

* Confirmed they aren't interested in Regional

* EU has already been approached about regulatory approval, with approval expected in early 2012

* Walsh said regulatory rules "are not set by Mr. Branson" - LOVE THAT

* IAG is not currently engaged in any other active bids beyond BMI (including for TAP)
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:31 pm

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 67):
I'm a bit confused as well. From what's being discussed, it seems like the brand will not survive? If so, that leaves * Alliance without a UK carrier...

Hence a bit like the Netherlands and France in that repsect then. Given it was "losing" money up a wall big time, it had no value to STAR. Remember LHR is not and was never intended to be a STAR hub. It is a focus city. Aliiances are not the same things as airlines and not every focus city is a hub.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:54 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 68):
* Walsh commented that IAG/BA will use the Heathrow slots to "expand [BA's] own long-haul network, particularly on routes to Asia and Latin America"

That's great, but I wonder the effects this acquisition will have on LGW. Will BA perhaps move its whole long-haul operation to LHR?
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:12 pm

the best now one can hope for is to sell BMI mainline to IAG, Regional to those scottish, buy out SQ's virgin stake, combine it with bmibaby, change baby's structure from LCC to a "Virgin Europa" or "Lufthansa GB" that feeds VS long-haul .... essentially apply the VirginAmerica model on it
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:14 pm

The 319 and 320 bmi have would nicely replace the 737-400s and then the 321s could complement the LHR fleet...who knows!
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:17 pm

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 8):

A sad day in British aviation.

I fully agree. The greedy IAG are only after one thing - LHR slots.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 8):
Our last remaining is that the regulators can put a stop to it.

Hopefully so.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:22 pm

While I would have liked BD to go to VS (to provide a better feeder service for the long haul operation) I think this is probably the better outcome for BD overall. How many slots will this give BA & IB at LHR? I imagine that the regulators will have something to say about it when all is said and done.

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:23 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 74):
I fully agree. The greedy IAG are only after one thing - LHR slots.

Yes, what else if LHR is congested with no growth prospects?

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 74):
Hopefully so.

Will not happen... Ultimately this is the best option for BD and its employees. BD has been slaughtered by LH and I guess some slots will be transferred to OS, LX and SN and UK jobs will be lost.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:36 pm

Virgin seem to think they are still in the running

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-to-upset-iag-deal-for-bmi-364337/

Quote:

Virgin Atlantic Airways is adamant that it is still in the race to take over UK carrier BMI after making another offer, which Lufthansa wants to discuss next week.

A source close to the negotiations told Flightglobal that Lufthansa responded on Virgin's latest bid within the last 12 hours and wants to talk about it in the coming week.

This would suggest that the previous offer by the UK airline might have been too low, but a spokeswoman for Virgin dismissed the notion.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:45 pm

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 75):
While I would have liked BD to go to VS (to provide a better feeder service for the long haul operation)

Are you seriously saying massive losses at BMI will become profits when some of their revenue goes to VS long haul? There was NEVER any remote possibility that a downsizing long haul specialist like VS could succeed in turning around a dying short haul operator like BMI where LH had failed. It makes no business sense to do this, none at all. VS can't even operate their own slot portfolio without tripling it overnight and taking onto the balance sheet the losses of BMI.

Virgin are a mature serious company that still tries to act like the snappy little underdog that they haven't been for a decade. Everyone knows they're not going to take over and turnaround BMI, it's just another noise and thunder theatrical effort from a bystander that's being left behind, lots of press coverage and the chance to moan about big, bad monopolistic BA. No wonder their last advert was set in the 1980s.....
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:51 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 78):
No wonder their last advert was set in the 1980s.....

I believe their latest advert was more current than the 1980's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbib-A6NpW8
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:58 pm

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 65):
- Why? - BA run a 763 on the LHR-GLA-LHR route.

Well it just seems a bit overkill to me. I dont know what the load factors are on every EDI-LHR-EDI run but wouldnt have thought it would be enough to sustain a B767. Do you know what flights the B767 is on between GLA and LHR? I didnt realise they had them on that route. Just thought it was 320s and 321s. Are they in all economy layout or are they just pulled off Euro services?
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:06 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 74):
Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 8):

A sad day in British aviation.

I fully agree. The greedy IAG are only after one thing - LHR slots.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 8):
Our last remaining is that the regulators can put a stop to it.

Hopefully so.


"Greedy" IAG is not the villain here. The fact is that had bmi remained a stand alone airline it would have gone bankrupt years ago. Thousands of people would have lost their jobs overnight and the slots would have been picked up by other airlines without any of the other assets. Lufthansa has been keeping the airline on life support and having had to swallow hundreds of millions of pounds in losses their patience has run out.

"Greedy" IAG is saving thousands of jobs. I don't deny that some losses are inevitable. But if "greedy" IAG use the slots to extend long haul ops this will create jobs. Consider that in spite of BA having roughly four times as many slots as bmi it actually employs more than ten times as many pilots.

Before castigating IAG it's worth reflecting on what the alternatives would have been.

Any ire would better be targetted at bmi's previous owners.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:41 pm

Quoting LX138 (Reply 48):
NQY reintroduced!!

BEST idea ever. I still long for the days when one was able to fly on a completely empty BA 737 from NQY to LON - with a fully stocked bar and an attentive cabin crew...beats the train any day.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting BritishB747 (Reply 61):
I am sceptical about mentions of BA B763s on services such as EDI - LHR.


On 1 and 2 November LHR-GLA-LHR BA1472/77 was operated by 763 G-BZHC and G-BNWK. These flights have been operated by 763s on many occasions since BD withdrew from this route. However on 3 and 4 November these flights were operated by 321s.

If you look at the current timetables you will see that, for example, many BA and BD flights between EDI and LHR are in close competition. So BD053 departs at 0905 hrs, BA1439 at 0920 hrs, Then BD055 departs at 1050 HRS and BA1441 (which is already a 321 flight if primarily reflecting high demand for the north bound part of the rotation) at 1030 and so on. It would be totally illogical for BA to continue to operate all these flights. Some are bound to be combined and probably using larger aircraft.

Quoting United787 (Reply 66):
How many?


BD had 1,090 weekly LHR slots as at the beginning of the 2009 Summer Season.

By the start of Siummer Season 2011 BD were only operating 800 LHR weekly slots.

Quoting United787 (Reply 66):
Any chance we might see LH or UA use them for some purely O&D routes like JFK-LHR ala OpenSkies?


Not likely. 50 of BD's weekly slots were transferred by LH to SN who used them to restart their BRU-LHR-BRU rotation. LH also transferred 84 week;y slots to LX. They used then to restart their GVA-LHR-GVA service. LH also transferred 122 weekly slots from BD to their own operations for use on their German and Lufthansa Italia services.

It is not clear to me where the remaining 34 weekly BD LHR slots went.

Since the beginning of the Summer 2011 Season LH have sold 6 daily BD slot pairs to BA,

The net result is that the LHR weekly slots operated by BD since they were bought by LH have dwindlede by a total of around 374 to around 716. (These numbers are approximate because I am not certain whether the "6 daily slot pairs" LH are reported to have sold to BA are all operated seven days a week.)
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:06 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 9):
This is much needed by IAG to help keep up with competition along the lines of EY EK SQ etc.

How could it? BMI is a European airline with mostly A320 family aircraft. They have a few A330 for long haul but I would doubt those A330 will make a big difference to competition with those, exclusively long haul airlines!?

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 17):
There is already talk that BD Regional is being sold off to a Scottish group.

Correct. An aberdeen based consortium is in talks to buy BMI regional. BA have mad their disinterest in the UK regional Market clear. Unless FlyBe are interested?

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:12 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 84):
How could it? BMI is a European airline with mostly A320 family aircraft. They have a few A330 for long haul but I would doubt those A330 will make a big difference to competition with those, exclusively long haul airlines!?

It will enable BA to grow their long haul network as buy acquiring BMI they'll get access to more slots at LHR
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:43 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 78):

This seems to be a popular discussion point on here at the moment. They cut a JFK and HKG frequency back in 2008 when everyone else was doing the same.

Since then they have added ACC and several non LHR routes, returned their two stored A346 to service, taken delivery of 3 (2 in service to be fair) A333 with 7 more on the way and will be getting back the B744 they leased out to AeroSur in a couple of months and are spending £100m on a new on board service and cabin overhauls.

I know they have a few less weekly LHR slots but to use that to declare the airline as "downsizing" is misleading

I'm not convinced they have the resources to take on BD and all of their issues (alone, anyway) but they are hardly slashing routes and capacity and are still in a stronger position than most on this forum give them credit for.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 78):


[Edited 2011-11-04 11:44:50]
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:55 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 86):

This seems to be a popular discussion point on here at the moment. They cut a JFK and HKG frequency back in 2008 when everyone else was doing the same.

My understanding is the slots used for those routes were hired from Airlines like UA and that UA did not renew the lease.

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 86):
Since then they have added ACC

ACC probably was able to be started as it leaves at an undesirable time of night for most carriers.

LGW has increased (while BA have shrunk their BGI/MCO services). Increased frequencies to BGI/GND/HAV as well as launching MAN-LAS and increasing MAN-BGI/MCO
 
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Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 67):
that leaves * Alliance without a UK carrier...

Yes, but they have service from the continent to most major cities, if not all. Next March I am going to a party conference with MUC-BRU-NCL
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:18 pm

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 8):
A sad day in British aviation. Farewell to one of the best airlines in Europe.

Couldn't agree more. Never again thorough LHR for me (well there has to be a silver lining!) It'll be SQ to FRA and then LH to EDI for me from now on.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:46 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 76):
Ultimately this is the best option for BD and its employees

Hows it good for the employees to have an uncertain future with the high chance redundancy??
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:51 pm

Quoting thegregster (Reply 90):
Hows it good for the employees to have an uncertain future with the high chance redundancy??

It's better than a complete closure though.

I think it is a sad day to lose a prominent British airline brand, however, I can't really see any better options. I don't see VS/EY succeeding where LH has failed.

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:00 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 68):
Walsh commented that IAG/BA will use the Heathrow slots to "expand [BA's] own long-haul network, particularly on routes to Asia and Latin America"

This will be interesting. My thoughts for Latin America are: -

* Santiago
* Lima
* Bogota

My thoughts for Asia are: -

* Kuala Lumpur
* Singapore (Daylight flight from LHR)
* Hong Kong (Daily daylight flight from LHR)
* Seoul
* Dhaka
* Kolkata

With an increased slot portfolio BA have the option to bring back routes that were dropped not because they didn't make profits but because there were better profits to be made by using the slots to add frequencies or new routes elsewhere.

I also think BA will look at how it can improve shorthaul. BHD may well stay, along with increased frequency to ABZ/EDI/GLA/MAN. Some routes may move from LGW, e.g. BOD, MRS, VCE, BLQ.

As this purchase would not go through until early next year, that would be too late to massively affect the Summer 2012 schedules, so expect BA to trim some BD routes and use BD slots/aircraft to add capacity to support BA, especially with the Olympics and Paralmpics taking place.

Winter 2012/13 would likely see a big shake up of BD operations at LHR, perhaps with BD operating some routes exclusively on behalf of BA.

It won't be an overnight integration, so BA does have some time to review what it wants to do. I wonder if those 744s that aren't getting new First might now be upgraded, as BA will have an ability to add more longhaul aircraft for Summer 2013, when the 788s and A380s are also due to start arriving. Interesting times ahead.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:02 pm

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 91):
It's better than a complete closure though.

True i just think its a little sad how many people are saying how great they think it is without really thinking about the people this will effect and then put a little smiley face after there text.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:04 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 84):
How could it? BMI is a European airline with mostly A320 family aircraft. They have a few A330 for long haul but I would doubt those A330 will make a big difference to competition with those, exclusively long haul airlines!?

Since the end of the 2011 Summer Season last weekend and before the start of the 2012 Summer Season:

BA ferried the brand new 77W G-GSSD wfrom CWL. It flew its first ever revenue flight (to HKG) on 30 October.

BA will return 744 G-BNLG to service. It was parked in the desert in September 2009. It has been undergoing major maintenance and refurbishment at CWL since June. It is likely to be returned to service by the end of the month.

BA will take delivery of two more brand new 77Ws (G-GSSE and 'SD).

Clearly they will need to find work for this long haul fleet expansio of four frames.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:09 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 94):
BA will take delivery of two more brand new 77Ws (G-GSSE and 'SD).

They look more like 748F registrations?
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:10 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 94):
BA ferried the brand new 77W G-GSSD wfrom CWL

Thats a Global Supply Systems Boeing 747-87UF but nevermind.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:11 pm

There is a fixed schedule of BA 767 flights from GLA-LHR on certain days for the 930 dep. Its not an adhoc arrangement.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:28 pm

Quoting thegregster (Reply 93):
True i just think its a little sad how many people are saying how great they think it is without really thinking about the people this will effect and then put a little smiley face after there text.

Yes, I understand what you are saying completely, I certainly don't think that is appropriate when peoples' jobs are threatened.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:32 pm

I guess this will pull the plug out of phase 2 of Terminal 2. Which would leave T2 in an awful condition with no people mover to the pier, and split operation in T1 and T2.

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