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United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:17 pm

Good news except for the 737 fleet.

A couple questions:

Does anyone know the cost? Perhaps similar to gogo-inflight?
How technical is the install? It can't be too complex as it is wireless... I'm thinking a couple days per aircraft? Perhaps scheduled with normal maintenance?

http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....-newsArticle&ID=1626530&highlight=

United Continental Holdings Selects Panasonic to Install Wi-Fi

COMPANY DETAILS PLANS FOR SYSTEMWIDE WI-FI
CHICAGO, Nov. 4, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ --

United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) today announced that it has selected Panasonic Avionics Corporation to provide Wi-Fi connectivity on more than 300 United Airlines and Continental Airlines mainline aircraft beginning in mid-2012. Panasonic's Ku-band satellite technology offers faster speed than air-to-ground technology (ATG) and will provide connectivity on flights worldwide. The system will also enable wireless streaming of video content.

"Our customers tell us they value Wi-Fi," said Jim Compton, United's executive vice president and chief revenue officer. "As a global carrier, we selected satellite-based Ku-band technology to enable customers to stay connected on long-haul overseas flights, something no other U.S.-based international carrier currently offers."

Paul Margis, chief executive officer for Panasonic Avionics Corporation said, "Panasonic is honored that United Continental Holdings selected our Global Communications Suite for more than 300 aircraft in its domestic and international fleets. United Continental Holdings has an exciting vision about how to leverage Ku technology within its fleets, and we are thrilled to be working with them on a connectivity experience that sets a new standard in in-flight entertainment and communications."

United Continental Holdings expects to install the Panasonic system on Airbus 319 and 320 and Boeing 747, 757, 767, 777 and 787 aircraft. Customers will be able to use their wireless devices such as laptops, smart phones and tablets onboard those aircraft to connect with internet service using the in-flight hotspot.

United Continental Holdings expects the entire mainline fleet will be equipped with Wi-Fi by 2015. Continental Airlines previously announced plans to install satellite-based Wi-Fi on more than 200 DIRECTV®-equipped aircraft beginning in 2012.
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Thread starter):
How technical is the install? It can't be too complex as it is wireless... I'm thinking a couple days per aircraft? Perhaps scheduled with normal maintenance?

Must be more involved as they say the entire fleet will not be done until 2015.
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:29 pm

Is the same system UA has been testing on that 757?
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 1):

As it is satellite based I'm going to assume that satcom humps will be installed on the roof of each aircraft, hence the extended down time.

Re the 737 fleet, I believe those with directTv already have the humps  
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:50 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know the cost? Perhaps similar to gogo-inflight?
How technical is the install? It can't be too complex as it is wireless... I'm thinking a couple days per aircraft? Perhaps scheduled with normal maintenance?

It's a satellite-based system, so it will require taking a/c out of service for a longer period of time than what the current Gogo equipment does. Look at WN and how long it is taking them to install Row 44 on their fleet. You have to install a satellite dish (housed in a fairing) and that involves a lot of careful work there lest you damage the skin of the a/c. Gogo is a pretty quick installation, as when FL announced it in May of 2009, they had their entire 136 a/c fleet outfitted with it in 60 days. I think Gogo can be installed in several hours and FL did it during RONs at certain stations (Similar to how they did the XM installations on their a/c.).

Now this will get interesting at some point in the next few years, as Gogo intends on having a satellite-based system in addition to their air-to-ground system so that airlines can put it on their international a/c as well.
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:50 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 2):
Is the same system UA has been testing on that 757?

Nope. That was Row 44 which is what WN is installing. This Panasonic wifi is what LH has on their aircraft.
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:32 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 3):
Re the 737 fleet, I believe those with directTv already have the humps

Except for the 738s with borrowed BAe Seats and the old ATA 753s (flew on one last Sunday -- only had drop-down screens)
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:19 am

Quoting n92r03 (Thread starter):
United Continental Holdings expects to install the Panasonic system on Airbus 319 and 320 and Boeing 747, 757, 767, 777 and 787 aircraft.

Interesting the 737 isn't mentioned, is this because DirecTV has a wifi offering? (Sorry, I haven't been on a CO 737 in awhile.)
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:01 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 7):
Interesting the 737 isn't mentioned, is this because DirecTV has a wifi offering? (Sorry, I haven't been on a CO 737 in awhile.)

Yes, UCH will have 2 services.
PMCO planes with DTV will have wifi from LiveTV.
PMCO planes with AVOD (international, 757, 767, 777) will get the panasonic system
all PMUA planes will get panasonic system

The only down side to this announcement is that they are not announcing something that will compete with Delta's non-mainline installation. The 70 and 90 seaters.

I also hope that UCH can do something to get a fleet wide pass so you can get wifi on all United (PMCO and PMUA) flights with a single fee.
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:40 pm

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 8):
The only down side to this announcement is that they are not announcing something that will compete with Delta's non-mainline installation. The 70 and 90 seaters.

No 90 seaters on UA. But I agree...

Unfortunately, this is not too likely to happen soon (probably they will do something _eventually_) given the product they have chosen (Satellite vs Cellular). Installing GoGo (Cellular) on DL's fleet is less expensive, and requires less modifications to the airplane. I'd be really surprised if they decide to invest in the UAX fleet given the modifications required, especially with the pending fight over scope which could potentially change how many of these planes are flying around eventually.

[Edited 2011-11-05 08:41:41]
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:44 pm

It would be best if UA concentrated on the intl fleet first. Hopefully this will spur AA to look at their 777/763 fleet.
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:57 pm

Quoting jadedchameleon (Reply 9):
Unfortunately, this is not too likely to happen soon (probably they will do something _eventually_) given the product they have chosen (Satellite vs Cellular). Installing GoGo (Cellular) on DL's fleet is less expensive, and requires less modifications to the airplane.

Sure, DL's system might be easier to install, but as UACO's press release alluded, it's worthless for TATL and TransPac flights. Sounds like UA thought this one through. Can we use the forum to make jokes about AA eventually upgrading their gogo system in like 2018?!

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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:27 pm

I normally don't like flying United internationally due to the lack of quality IFE. Now with Wi-Fi hopefully you can find your own IFE. Upgrading to the fleet to have screens on the back of seats seemed like a must for all airlines only a few years ago, but now with most people having phones and iPads, it really isn't that big of a plus for how much is must cost.
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:23 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 11):
Sure, DL's system might be easier to install, but as UACO's press release alluded, it's worthless for TATL and TransPac flights. Sounds like UA thought this one through. Can we use the forum to make jokes about AA eventually upgrading their gogo system in like 2018?!

Gogo is working on a system that will give their product a global reach. It will be a satellite-based system since putting an air-to-ground network over the Atlantic and Pacific is a pretty tall order and logistically tough to do. Delta went with Gogo because they could roll it out quicker on their domestic fleet, in particular those mainline a/c without much in terms of IFE. UA is also a Gogo customer, as they have their ps a/c outfitted with it.
 
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RE: United To Add Panasonic Wifi

Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:57 am

Congrats UA on joining the wi-fi club. Looking forward to using wi-fi on board my next flight hopefully and updating friends on arrival times
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