|Quoting RayChuang (Reply 16):|
I think EK bought the 77W's for two reasons:
1. The airline still can't get any straight answers from Airbus on the A350-1000.
|Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 25):|
Clarke got a straight answer from Airbus, he just didn't like the answer.
|Quoting RayChuang (Reply 28):|
The problem with the A350-1000 as it now stands is that Airbus claims it has the same carrying capacity and range as the 77W but with lower MTOW and needing only 95,000 lb. thrust from the Trent XWB engines. Alas, the CEO of Emirates doesn't believe that, nor do most professionals in the airline industry.
|Quoting ACES320 (Reply 30):|
I would take this as a warning bell for Airbus.
|Quoting ACES320 (Reply 30):|
The problem was not much performance as it was commonality. In Clark's own words he placed order for the A350 with variants but he ended up with two different machines after the latest round of modifications on the A350-1000
|Quoting The777Man (Reply 34):|
Also remember that the 350 just got delayed by Airbus and could suffer further delays. The 777-300?ER is available NOW not in four or five years.
|Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 37):|
It's a given that Airbus could develop a better airplane than the 77W today. The question is how much better. What is likely giving customers pause is the magnitude by which Airbus is reducing thrust and MTOW. Has technology progressed enough since design freeze of the 77W in 2001 (and the PiPs since then) that Airbus can offer the same performance with 20% less thrust and 13% less MTOW? Tim Clarke is probably saying "Missouri."
|Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 43):|
I'm going as far as to say that there will no A350-1000 for Emirates. They will convert all the orders to the -900. Or, they will even cancel it. It seems that there are lots of uncertainties about the A350 performance.
|Quoting frigatebird (Reply 46):|
Pretty sure the A35J's delay has everything to do with this order. And maybe the A359's recent delay as well.
OK, so Boeing is offering a nearly 8,000nm-capable plane today. It seats about 360 passengers in Emirates' 3-class layout.
Airbus is offering a plane with slightly better range capability (see Airbus Reveals A350-1000 OEW (by ferpe Nov 3 2011 in Tech Ops)) but it is exactly the same length, 73.9m, and is only 9 abreast in economy vs 10 abreast in economy on the 777-300ER. So it will seat very roughly 325 rather than 360 passengers in the same Emirates configuration. It will also have 25% lower fuel consumption.
In this simple soul's view, these are two different category aircraft. Only by one notch, but one is a 325 seater and one is a 360 seater in Emirates 3-class configuration.
The A350-1000 should substantially beat the 777-300ER's CASM, despite being smaller, based on the above numbers. That would make it a winner if they were both available between now and 2017. But ONLY THE 777 is avaiable until 2017.
That is why Boeing is talking about the 777-9X ... they know the 777-300ER can't beat the A350-1000 in 2017.
In the meantime, Emirates wants to keep growing, with aircraft between the very large A380-800 and the much smaller A350-900 which is scheduled for 2014 and which they have stated will be their smallest in future. So the 777-300ER is their only choice for 2011-17.
True, Airbus have flip-flopped a bit on the A350-1000 with talk of commonality with the A350-900 then shifting more to competition with the 777-300ER. However, I think the bottom line is the A350-1000 as now defined is one notch smaller than the 777-9X will be, yet it stands a good chance of equalling it in range and efficiency. That could be a very good place to be in the market in 2017, even if it is not the number 1 answer to Emirates' needs right now.