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Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:57 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13...roaches-on-flight/?test=latestnews

I saw this online this morning and have yet to see it mentioned. A couple saw cockroaches on their flight and became nauseas. Total BS way of bankrolling their honeymoon if you ask me.
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:14 pm

Out of the air vents? Isn't that pretty much a sealed system and roaches wouldn't be able to get into it?

They should count their blessings, the roaches could have been in their snacks!
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:21 pm

Perhaps they'd prefer that each and every passenger was sprayed-down with insecticide prior to boarding?

Pathetic.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:23 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 1):
Out of the air vents? Isn't that pretty much a sealed system and roaches wouldn't be able to get into it?

True -- which means they crawled off a passenger or their carry-on.
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:08 pm

I can actually understand where they're coming from, if they're telling the truth about what they saw...I'm deathly afraid of cockroaches (one of my two irrational fears, courtesy of a traumatic experience as a child) and would probably have had a similar reaction if I saw something like that.

With that said, a lawsuit for $100K seems more than a little bit excessive...
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:19 pm

It's a freakin bug, bugs are everywhere. Are we really that pampered a society to expect to not see 'nasty' things? This is a really big stretch, hopefully the couple loses this case and lots of money, sure will teach them a lesson   
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:28 pm

Wow, I suggest these folks never travel in Africa or SE Asia, by no means do I mean all planes or airlines in these regions have roaches, I'm just saying there is surely potential whereever the generasl public congregates. These people expected the crew to stop their duties to go on a roach hunt, freaking out other passengers, most likely some roaches in luggage, baggage, or clothing of a fellow passenger is the culprit. I have seen luggage on carousels with roaches on them.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:39 am

This is total BS.

I don't like roaches at all, but suing for 100K?

Only in America.


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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:32 am

Probably picked up the bugs from some Carribean routing.

Anyone remember the guy with the suitcase that was roach infested on the WN version of Airline? Southwest made him throw his suitcase away. They wouldn't let him check it or bring it onboard. Just disgusting.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:55 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
This is total BS.

I don't like roaches at all, but suing for 100K?

Only in America.

Suing is not the same as winning.

Every court system has a procedure for weeding out claims that have no chance of success... presumably, Air Tran's defence lawyers will know all about them.

That said (and if it will make you feel better) it is not just America.

There is a long history of lawsuits arising out of disgusting critters in the wrong places, going right back to one of the old English cases which defined our modern tort system (Donaghue v. Stevenson, the "snail in a bottle" case.... ask any law student). It also arises all the time up here in Canada. One of our leading cases on causation (i.e., is psychological harm compensaible, due to "nervous shock"?) involves a fly in a water jug.
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:34 pm

The best quote from the articles is, "They say flight attendants were too busy to investigate the problem."

To me this states that they did not bring this to the attention of the crew. Irrational fear aside, this should get laughed out of court and it is no where due the $100,000 plus refund for the flight.

Also with a "stopover" in Huston, why did they not deplane and demand something at that stop?
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:08 pm

The plaintiff is a lawyer. Nuff said.

Whatever happened to saying "Airtran is gross and I won't fly them again" and maybe sending a nasty letter?

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 9):
There is a long history of lawsuits arising out of disgusting critters in the wrong places, going right back to one of the old English cases which defined our modern tort system (Donaghue v. Stevenson, the "snail in a bottle" case.... ask any law student). It also arises all the time up here in Canada. One of our leading cases on causation (i.e., is psychological harm compensaible, due to "nervous shock"?) involves a fly in a water jug.

It was the basis for one of the greatest Canadian movies ever! "Here's the way to wreck a movie, eh."
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:37 pm

This lawsuit sounds frivilous to me. If the couple didn't spot the roaches until after take off from Charlotte then the airline couldn't really do anything until they arrived in Atlanta which is only a 30 minute flight. The big question in this suit will be what happened when they got to Atlanta. Did the couple get off in Atlanta and not continue to Houston? Did they continue to Houston inspite of the cockroaches? Did AirTran take the aircraft out of service in Atlanta and substitute it for another aircraft on the Atlanta-Houston leg? The cockroaches don't necessarily indicate that AirTran is negligent, as they carry many passengers and all it takes is one contaminated item placed on the plane for the roaches to appear.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:02 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 8):
Probably picked up the bugs from some Carribean routing.


Unless they were really Palmetto Bugs -- they're attracted to warm-blooded mammals  Wow!

And they stick to the outside of your luggage like they were glued there.
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:05 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 11):
The plaintiff is a lawyer. Nuff said.

My first thought was, who wears the pants in this relationship? Evidently, neither one! It's a bug for gawds sake! Kill it, remove it and get one with it!
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:39 am

Speaking of cockroaches on a plane.... did any of you ever hear the story about Eastern Air Lines?

From what I have read/heard from several sources, on the morning of March 4, 1989, Eastern's fleet had been catered and ready to fly when most of the fleet was grounded for quite some time due to the strike that started that day.

Apparently, many of the planes were parked for months in the Miami sun with none of the catering supplies removed.

When the airline finally had a reason to start flying the planes again months later, they were found with hundreds of spoiled meals and infested with cockroaches.

Ewwwwwww.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:34 am

Back around 2000 there was a roach stuck between the inner and outer glass on a US 737. It was in F no less. Then a bunch of a.netters reported seeing it, alive. In a few days several more a.neters reported it was dead, between the windows. I think that plane flew around for another week or two before US finally removed it.

These people took a picture of the cockroach! It wasn't a small one either. They said it came out of the air vent. Sure it was crawling on the airvent and the PSU unit too. So I think it crawled out from the overhead bin and just walked across the ceiling til it got to the vents and the lights and they first saw it there.

From where the roach was positioned, the biggest fear would be it dropping of the ceiling into your lap or hair. And you can imagine if that had happened how much commotion there would have been!
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:43 am

I'd complain to the airline if cockroaches, red ant(s), bees/wasps, or "exotic" creepy-crawlies were climbing around the aircraft I was on. But not for anything else. And to go so far as to sue for $100,000? What happened? Emotional distress? Please..
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:45 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 11):
The plaintiff is a lawyer. Nuff said.

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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:40 am

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 18):
A lawyer complaining about a cockroach - isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? -ir

I'm sure the roaches would be offended by that statement, none the less I hope he gets squashed.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 19):
Quoting IslandRob (Reply 18):
A lawyer complaining about a cockroach - isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? -ir

I'm sure the roaches would be offended by that statement, none the less I hope he gets squashed.

Wouldn't a better headline be:

"Cockroach sues airline - had to spend entire flight hiding from lawyer"
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:04 am

If the aircraft operates for any longer period of time in a warm, humid climate zone, it will have some cockroaches on board.
We used to get B757s for heavy MX, which previously have been operating in subsaharan Africa. The first thing that happens once the plane gets into our hangar is to have a pest control specialist fumigate it over night.

My girlfriend own a nice and spotlessly clean house in the Philippines. Still, when I was there last year, almost every day I had to shoo cockroaches as big as two inches out from the bathroom.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
Unless they were really Palmetto Bugs -- they're attracted to warm-blooded mammals

Just a nice word for "roach."
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting b727fa (Reply 22):
Just a nice word for "roach."

I lived in South Carolina and I can't figure out what's a Palmetto Bug and what's a Roach... I agree
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:16 pm

I can see the answer to the complaint to the airline now.

"We are so sorry to hear of your experience, so we are adding 500 frequent flier miles to your account"
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:45 pm

Palmetto Bug VS Cockroach:

There is no difference between a cockroach and a palmetto bug. The cockroach is also known as the waterbug, Croton bug and palmetto bug. Originally from tropical Africa, cockroaches are thought to have been brought to North America aboard slave ships. Today, they are found thriving across the globe.

Palmetto bugs are reddish-brown in color and are considered large insects, sometimes exceeding 1.5 inches in length. Some cockroach species have wings, although most are incapable of flight. Adult cockroaches have shiny bodies with yellow margins behind the head. Male and female cockroaches are typically approximately the same size and appear similar. Both have a pair of cerci at the tip of the abdomen, although only males have styli.

Palmetto bugs eat mostly organic matter but will feed on almost anything, including paper. They are commonly found in dark, moist areas such as basements, floor drains, bathtubs and sewers. Outdoors, they are found in yards, woodpiles, hollow trees and mulch. If you have discovered a palmetto bug infestation, contact your local pest control professional to discuss extermination options.
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:58 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
And they stick to the outside of your luggage like they were glued there.
Quoting packcheer (Reply 23):
I lived in South Carolina and I can't figure out what's a Palmetto Bug and what's a Roach... I agree

And it's one several reasons why folks have their luggage shrink-wrapped in plastic to travel across the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America.
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:33 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 25):
Some cockroach species have wings, although most are incapable of flight.

The ones in New Orleans are.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:02 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 25):
There is no difference between a cockroach and a palmetto bug. The cockroach is also known as the waterbug, Croton bug and palmetto bug. Originally from tropical Africa, cockroaches are thought to have been brought to North America aboard slave ships. Today, they are found thriving across the globe.

And despite the claim that they would survive a nuclear war, they will die if the temps get cold. They are not a hibernating species, and their eggs also also don't survive. They are from a warm climate and had no reason to evolve the way bees and ants have done. The reason they survive in cities all over the globe (mostly) is because humans create heat all year long in their homes and buildings, and the roaches survive by sticking close to the heat. It's also why it's rare to have a roach problem in the country (at least in a 4 seasons country area). Just not enough wasted heat around.
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:11 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 25):
Some cockroach species have wings, although most are incapable of flight.

Not true! Those that are incapable of flight can simply book a flight with their preferred airline of choice, AirTran  
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:24 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 25):
Some cockroach species have wings, although most are incapable of flight.

The ones here in rural Maryland are maroon and they fly like ladybugs and other beetles (while looking like real sissies    ).
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:54 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 28):
And despite the claim that they would survive a nuclear war, they will die if the temps get cold. They are not a hibernating species, and their eggs also also don't survive. They are from a warm climate and had no reason to evolve the way bees and ants have done. The reason they survive in cities all over the globe (mostly) is because humans create heat all year long in their homes and buildings, and the roaches survive by sticking close to the heat. It's also why it's rare to have a roach problem in the country (at least in a 4 seasons country area). Just not enough wasted heat around.

I remember in the David Bowie movie "The Man Who Fell to Earth" the Rip Torn character (Nathan?) keeps a "Palmetto Bug" ands plays with it as a pet -- letting it crawl on his hand while he talks.

I guess that implies we should get food for them from 'Petsmart' and build the little bug houses.  
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:18 am

Shrink wrapping bags is to prevent THEFT:

http://baggagewrapping.tripod.com/

By wrapping the luggage with a special plastic folio passengers can protect their personal belongings from theft, pilferage, damage and thus to avoid most problems with the baggage during the transportation
 
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:24 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 8):
Probably picked up the bugs from some Carribean routing.

Must have been, because there are no cockroaches in the United States.  
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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:28 am

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 33):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 8):
Probably picked up the bugs from some Carribean routing.

Must have been, because there are no cockroaches in the United States.

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RE: Air Tran Cockroach Lawsuit

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:58 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 32):
Shrink wrapping bags is to prevent THEFT:

http://baggagewrapping.tripod.com/

By wrapping the luggage with a special plastic folio passengers can protect their personal belongings from theft, pilferage, damage and thus to avoid most problems with the baggage during the transportation

Yes, quite so.

We have a forum on the subject over on TripAdvisor.

**Some** wrap their expensive Louis Vuitton bags (or cheap Samsonite) to prevent skuffing. **Some** wrap their bags to prevent powdery substances from being introduced for free transport.

The funny thing is -- the last time I had a bag arrive taped together with stuff missing was at YYC rather than MIA .

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