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babybus
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BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:16 pm

Just found this on the BA website.

From 25 March 2012 British Airways (BA) and Qantas (QF) will change their services between Australia and the UK. BA will operate London to Bangkok and London to Hong-Kong and QF will operate the Bangkok and Hong-Kong services to Australia.

The BA service London to Sydney via Singapore remains unaffected.

If you have an existing booking to travel on one of these services from 24 March 2012 onwards, you may be notified of changes to your schedule. We have tried to reaccomodate you all on an alternative service but if you are not happy with the changes then you may call one of our contact centres to rebook or claim a refund.


That probably is a good idea since passengers have to disembark at the fuel stop anyway. Think it's a shame if you can't start your trip to Oz by getting aboard an Australian aircraft.

Any thoughts on this?
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:18 pm

So does that mean no more QF aircraft at LHR?
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:24 pm

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 1):
So does that mean no more QF aircraft at LHR?

I think QF still flies LHR-SYD via SIN (QF31/32), no?
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:25 pm

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 1):
So does that mean no more QF aircraft at LHR?

It sounds like services that run via SIN won't be affected and so QF will still fly SYD-SIN-LHR...so hopefully not. (I'm only gleaning that information from th OP though, so don't take my word for it!)
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:30 pm

Hi,

QF1/2 BKK-LHR-BKK and QF29/30 HKG-LHR-HKG both operated by B744s will be cancelled from March. QF9/10 and QF31/32 will continue both as A388s and both as morning arrivals and late evening departures with the 31/32 becoming the 1/2.

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[Edited 2011-11-13 14:39:07]
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:31 pm

 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:39 pm

Quoting Babybus (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on this?

As was noted above, this story first appeared in August. I guess it's a sign of the times with BA/QF finding it increasingly difficult to compete with the indirect carriers.

And the situation can only get more difficult in the years ahead with competition not just from the Gulf carriers but also the emerging mainland Chinese airlines, assuming the latter can can get their act together as regards service standards and marketing. Look at how many destinations in Australia are now served by CZ from CAN and PEK.
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:42 pm

The changes were announced back in August.

Here is a press release from the QF website explaining the changes

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2011/aug11/5159
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:20 am

QF9 MEL-SIN-LHR QF10 LHR-SIN-MEL
QF31 SYD-SIN-LHR QF32 LHR-SIN-SYD

will be daily A380s and staying.

LHR is just going from 4x daily on QF to 2x daily. QF1 SYD-BKK-LHR and QF2 LHR-BKK-SYD, QF29 MEL-HKG-LHR and QF30 LHR-HKG-MEL are dropping their LHR segments ex BKK and HKG respectively and everyone will be pushed on board BA.

the other a380 flights are:

QF11 SYD-LAX QF 12 LAX-SYD Daily
QF93 MEL-LAX QF94 LAX-MEL Daily
QF127 SYD-HKG QF128 HKG-SYD 4x weekly from Jan.
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:29 am

Hi,

I was under the impression (and by reading that press release) that QF will codeshare on the BA HKG-LHR-HKG services and BA will codeshare on the QF services to/from Hong Kong to Australia.

However when looking at both airlines websites for mid next year the only options on the Australia - UK route are via SIN or BKK, anyone know if HKG will be added?

Thanks
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:10 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 8):
QF31 SYD-SIN-LHR QF32 LHR-SIN-SYD

Aren't QF31/31 becoming QF1/2 from the service change?

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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:23 am

Makes perfect sense to me. (especially when the BA A380's come on-line)
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:40 am

BA15 which is LHR-SIN-SYD is also being upgraded to a 747 from a 777 at present
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:13 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
Aren't QF31/31 becoming QF1/2 from the service change?

Yes, and the SYD-BKK flights are becoming QF23/24.

Quoting bill142 (Reply 12):
BA15 which is LHR-SIN-SYD is also being upgraded to a 747 from a 777 at present

Correct, and all flights will feature new First.
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:07 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 12):
BA15 which is LHR-SIN-SYD is also being upgraded to a 747 from a 777 at present
Quoting qf002 (Reply 13):
Correct, and all flights will feature new First.

Are they gauranteeing this? I was told that New First was always subject to availablility as they weren't upgrading some of the B744s? It's not long changed from the B744 to the B772 as well.

The upshot means no more QANTAS moving in daylight after 06:30 at LHR! Altogether now "Aw ****!" So need to get up early, or better still, go mad over the winter months and make as much of the arriving QF29 and departing QF32 as possible with the Nikon!
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:59 am

QF31/32 has been codeshared with a number of others (three I think). I forget what they were except there was a BA in there.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 13):
Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
Aren't QF31/31 becoming QF1/2 from the service change?

Yes, and the SYD-BKK flights are becoming QF23/24.

Is that the ultimate in upgrades for you QF002?   
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:53 pm

Quoting tayser (Reply 8):
QF9 MEL-SIN-LHR QF10 LHR-SIN-MEL
QF31 SYD-SIN-LHR QF32 LHR-SIN-SYD

That's good. It would be a shame not to have the choice of a direct flight to Oz on BA or QF. If I've read that correctly?

So it seems all Qantas operations into LHR next year will be A380s.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:58 pm

Sounds like a way to make sure that OW use most of T5 @ LHR without having multiple airlines at it.
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:34 pm

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 17):
Sounds like a way to make sure that OW use most of T5 @ LHR without having multiple airlines at it.

Joint Venture flights will remain at T3, that's all QANTAS and the BA departures to BKK, SIN and SYD. The only alliance partner will be the wife when Iberia's LHR-MAD operation moves across from T3, no date finalised as yet.
 
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:06 pm

This has been discussed in other threads, but passengers flying direct to SYD/MEL can still do this on a one-stop flight via SIN. Equally, passengers travelling to BNE, PER, ADL can also connect one-stop via SIN.

However, many passengers also make stop overs on route to/from Australia, and will still be able to do this at SIN, BKK or HKG. The only difference now is that the flights via HKG and BKK will be split across two carriers. They don't need to be sold as codeshares, because of things like oneworld explorer fares.

In another thread about this it was pointed out that BA and QF could actually make more money on these flights by doing this, because capacity LHR-BKK and BKK-SYD might be being artifically restricted by the fact so many seats were needed for through passengers LHR-SYD. Now, each carrier is in effect selling terminator flights with a lot of the lower-yielding through traffic LON-Australia that wants to fly straight through, one stop, going via SIN, which is a strong O&D market in itself, as wel as having QF feed from several Australian cities (plus potentially other Asian ones if the premium Asian carrier is based in SIN).

I think this is a smart move for BA/QF. If you're flying LON-MEL with no stop-over you don't need a flight via HKG or SIN, and if you're flying LON-SYD with no stop-over you don't need two flights via BKK and two flights via SIN. BA and QF didn't compete on LHR-BKK or BKK-SYD anyway because of the JSA, and whilst the JSA didn't cover LHR-HKG, QF hardly made much of a mark against BA and CX. Plus, with these changes BA is adding a three-times weekly daylight flight LHR-HKG on the 777-236ER. With the IAG purchase of bmi adding slots for BA to use at LHR, I wonder if in a couple of years that LHR-HKG daylight flight will be daily, joined by a daily daylight flight LHR-SIN?
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RE: BA/QF Divide Up UK OZ Flights

Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:49 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Are they gauranteeing this? I was told that New First was always subject to availablility as they weren't upgrading some of the B744s? It's not long changed from the B744 to the B772 as well.

All flights between LHR and HKG are guaranteed to have new First, and as the fleet grows these guarantees will extend to other key destinations. See this link which claims that the guarantee will be extended to BA's Australian flights at the same time as these changes...

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
Is that the ultimate in upgrades for you QF002?

No comment  
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 18):
Joint Venture flights will remain at T3, that's all QANTAS and the BA departures to BKK, SIN and SYD.

BKK will probably move back to T5 next March since it will be a BA only operation. I do hope that BA/QF are considering a move into T5 for Australian ops (I know that there are many issues, but they are all resolvable) -- it would make connections etc so much easier/more attractive.

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