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Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:14 am
by Jet13
Hey guys, I was looking at my hometown airport, KFSD on flightaware and noticed that delta is doing PIR from FSD. Started a few days ago, according to F/A

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...7/history/20111114/0228Z/KFSD/KPIR

Does anyone know why or for what reason? One thing i have in mind is, so they have a plane out to MSP for the next day?

Thanks,
Nick.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:20 am
by DeltaMD90
I think it is triangle routing... I know the SF3s used to do that in the NW

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:23 am
by steex
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
I think it is triangle routing... I know the SF3s used to do that in the NW

Not a triangle route, a straight tag route. MSP-PIR has two flights most days, one non-stop and one 1-stop through FSD. The evening arrival at PIR routes MSP-FSD-PIR, which turns around in the morning as PIR-FSD-MSP. The non-stop flight is still scheduled on the Saab, the one-stop is on the CRJ.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:28 am
by Jet13
Quoting steex (Reply 2):
Not a triangle route, a straight tag route. MSP-PIR has two flights most days, one non-stop and one 1-stop through FSD. The evening arrival at PIR routes MSP-FSD-PIR, which turns around in the morning as PIR-FSD-MSP. The non-stop flight is still scheduled on the Saab, the one-stop is on the CRJ.

Thanks,
I figured it would be that. It's gotta be because of the loads for PIR? stop in FSD and get the rest and off to MSP?

-Nick

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:37 am
by Cubsrule
Is there some demand on PIR-FSD? It links the capital and the largest city in the State, not unlike ORD-SPI or LAX-SMF.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:44 am
by deltairlines
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Is there some demand on PIR-FSD? It links the capital and the largest city in the State, not unlike ORD-SPI or LAX-SMF.

One would think there might be, but Delta does not have any fares published for PIR-FSD.

I'd assume most traffic though would be in Sioux Falls going to Pierre though, rather than Pierre going to Sioux Falls.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:52 am
by steex
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Is there some demand on PIR-FSD? It links the capital and the largest city in the State, not unlike ORD-SPI or LAX-SMF.

As noted by DeltAirlines, DL actually doesn't sell that portion of the route. I'm guessing there isn't a ton of traffic between them, even being the largest city and capital, respectively. As I know you're aware, Sioux Falls is obviously no Chicago at a metro population of about 230,000 and Pierre is no Springfield at fewer than 15,000 people.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:57 am
by Jet13
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):

One would think there might be, but Delta does not have any fares published for PIR-FSD.

Correct, I did try looking for fares. They probably had PIR/FSD flights on one plane, dropping FSD passengers off and continue to PIR.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:11 am
by RWA380
Seems odd, a carrier would not want to sell any tickets for a local tag route, Why wouldn't DL want to pick up even a pax or two to fill a seat that would obviously otherwise be empty? I'm sure the demand is not substantial, but a warm body in a seat on a tag route is better than nothing, right?

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:39 am
by RushmoreAir
Delta is still serving Pierre only because of the DOT hold-in order:

http://www.airlineinfo.com/Sites/Dai...ent/ostdocket2011/ost20110138.html - scroll to the bottom.

They want to rid themselves of this service as soon as possible. If it was not worthwhile with SF3s, it won't be worthwhile with a CRJ. I'm assuming they don't care enough to sell seats on the FSD-PIR leg. I'm disappointed to see the PIR service go, always could get 25k mileage deals out of there.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:49 am
by wedgetail737
Gosh! I remember when WA was flying the SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR using 737-200's. LOL!

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:27 pm
by Jet13
Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 9):
I'm disappointed to see the PIR service go, always could get 25k mileage deals out of there.

Well, Great Lakes has taken action. I think they added another flight to x2 daily.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:58 pm
by simairlinenet
Of interest to South Dakotans: in 1997 or so, Northwest (Express I) offered thrice-daily Sioux Falls-Rapid City service on Jetstream 31s.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:27 am
by milesrich
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
Gosh! I remember when WA was flying the SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR using 737-200's. LOL!

And prior to the 737-247's introduced in 1968, they operated that route with Electras and DC-6B's. The route extended to MSP via FSD from PIR.

As Yogi Berra says, it's deja vu all over again.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:26 am
by FSDan
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Is there some demand on PIR-FSD?

Not more than a few passengers a day I would think. There's really nothing in Pierre besides the state capital.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:16 pm
by Cubsrule
Quoting FSDan (Reply 14):
Not more than a few passengers a day I would think.

Me either - but why not try to pick them up?

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:09 pm
by rfields5421
Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 9):
They want to rid themselves of this service as soon as possible. If it was not worthwhile with SF3s, it won't be worthwhile with a CRJ. I'm assuming they don't care enough to sell seats on the FSD-PIR leg.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Me either - but why not try to pick them up?

If DL wants to get rid of PIR service, picking up FSD-PIR and PIR-FSD passengers would work against their argument with the DOT.

Creating a tag route allows DL to argue that they only way they can 'afford' PIR is by using higher fares for FSD pax to support the route.

The business case would be about making PIR a money loser, not picking up any possible incremental business.

RE: Why Is Delta Doing FSD-PIR

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:10 pm
by b727fa
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):

Gosh! I remember when WA was flying the SLC-CPR-RAP-PIR using 737-200's. LOL!

I remember in 1982 WA ran a 737-200 MSP-ATY-PIR, too! We took it to PIR "for dinner" to qualify for a deal WA was running to HNL. If you went a certain number of miles by "X" date you could get a $150 rt to HNL.