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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:39 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 148):
I'm all in favour of it.

Me too. If for anything then just to see QF try something new and innovate in some way. They can't stay stagnant forever...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:40 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 149):
Because the restrictions in the Sale of Qantas Act would apply, if they did that, which would elimanate one of the main reasons for doing it in the first place.

Qantas can't have a subsidiary called Qantas Asia Airways? Okay, revive the subsidiary they already had - Australia Asia Airlines. I assume they still hold the name.

I dislike Red Q, that's all. I think it is much too cute.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:44 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 151):
I dislike Red Q, that's all. I think it is much too cute.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:52 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 152):
oneAsia?

The great fear of the bashers seems to be that Qantas will lose its Australian identity. So a way round it would be to have some connection with Australia in the name.

But does it matter? The nay-sayers will bash it whatever it is called.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:55 am

When did MH128 change to a A330 into MEL saw one last Sunday night while comming back from SYD, I thought that was a 777 aircraft on the KUL-MEL-KUL?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:57 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 154):

When did MH128 change to a A330 into MEL saw one last Sunday night while comming back from SYD, I thought that was a 777 aircraft on the KUL-MEL-KUL?

September I think it was both daily MEL flights plus ADL, BNE and PER are all A333s. SYD is still a 744 and 772 for now.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:02 pm

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In PER it has been double daily 772's .... A330's havnt been on for some time now....
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:28 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 151):
Qantas can't have a subsidiary called Qantas Asia Airways? Okay, revive the subsidiary they already had - Australia Asia Airlines.

My understanding is they can't, without the Sale Act restrictions, which are pretty well tied to the name "Qantas".

The problem with a name like you suggest and any name with "Australia" in it is counter productive. While details are awaited I understand the new airline will aim to source most of its pax from Asia, that's the point, so why would you put "Australia" in the name?

I agree "Red Q" is terminally cute in English & western culture, but is it in the various Asian cultures? I have no idea about that.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:43 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 157):
The problem with a name like you suggest and any name with "Australia" in it is counter productive. While details are awaited I understand the new airline will aim to source most of its pax from Asia, that's the point, so why would you put "Australia" in the name?

Because - to some Asians - it may be exotic? Many Japanese choose to fly United ad Delta on their Asian flights ex-NRT because of precisely that. It surely isn't counter-productive to them.

Because it may be a political statement as well as a commercial one and might, at least in some Asian minds, tie Australia more closely to Asia, at the start of what the PM calls "the Asian century."

Because - hopefully - it would help to distinguish the airline from the bland. I don't know what Red Q means.

But ultimately, it won't matter what the airline is called - it will depend on price and service. If they do decide to call it Red Q I won't lose any sleep over it, but in that case I'd rather they called it Big Red.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:55 pm

Airports getting busier-sorry it wont let me print out the full article.

Air traffic numbers to rocket by 2030

by: Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
From: The Australian
November 25, 2011 12:00AM



AIRSERVICES Australia estimates it will need to move an aircraft every minute for 17 hours a day in all weather at Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne by 2030.

The sobering figures, released at last week's Australian Airports Association annual conference in Brisbane, dramatically underscored the challenges facing the air traffic control system and airports as they grapple with passenger growth.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:56 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 158):
But ultimately, it won't matter what the airline is called - it will depend on price and service. If they do decide to call it Red Q I won't lose any sleep over it, but in that case I'd rather they called it Big Red.

Big Red Rat??? Why not, QF's been called that for years! The fact the "rat" has always been white doesn't seem to matter  

I agree you could be spot on, I don't think so, but what do I know? We shall see.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 160):
I agree you could be spot on, I don't think so, but what do I know? We shall see.

I'm not one of those who thinks that any airline should - or will - do what I think. I'm just an amateur at all this, doing it for fun.  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:51 am

I'm a bit confused about what this means, as I don't know the present status of the Air Australia fleet:

http://www.aviationrecord.com/FC/FCn...lia-confirms-four-planes-3388.aspx

"Fledgling Aussie airline Air Australia Airways has confirmed it will add four additional aircraft to its fleet to make way for more domestic and international flights.

The airline has finalised lease agreements with International Lease Finance Corporation ILFC to take delivery of an initial two 286 seat Airbus A330-200 aircraft. It will also reposition two of its 180 seat Airbus A320 aircraft from its European charter operation to Australia. The first of the aircraft arrives next month."


As I understand it, it has 1 x A330 now - so does this mean it will be 3 x A330?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:12 am

Yes it will have 3 A330'S.

2 Will do HNL and HKT out of BNE and MEL and the 3rd will do most likely Vietnam and China.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:01 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
Quoting mariner (Reply 148):
Why not just call it Qantas Asia?

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Because the restrictions in the Sale of Qantas Act would apply, if they did that, which would elimanate one of the main reasons for doing it in the first place

Just curious, how did they manage to get the Jetconnect services branded as Qantas?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:28 am

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 164):

Just curious, how did they manage to get the Jetconnect services branded as Qantas?

Because it is a contracted service to QF AND it is not a substantial part of QF operations.

And because no one has bitched about it.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:50 am

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 164):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
Quoting mariner (Reply 148):
Why not just call it Qantas Asia?

mariner

Because the restrictions in the Sale of Qantas Act would apply, if they did that, which would elimanate one of the main reasons for doing it in the first place

Just curious, how did they manage to get the Jetconnect services branded as Qantas?

Quoting screw up? Anyway, there are some fundamental differences between an airline flying around Asia and an airline flying between Australia and NZ.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 165):
And because no one has bitched about it.

Aside from the pilots union, who managed to convince one of three FWA judge that they were correct in their view.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 166):
Quoting gemuser (Reply 165):
And because no one has bitched about it.

Aside from the pilots union, who managed to convince one of three FWA judge that they were correct in their view.

FWA has been involved in Jet Connect??? Please give a link or details, haven't heard about that.
But even if they have it wouldn't concern the Sale Act as I don't belive that would be within FWA's jurstiction.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:33 am

Fledgling Aussie airline Air Australia Airways has confirmed it will add four additional aircraft to its fleet to make way for more domestic and international flights.

The airline has finalised lease agreements with International Lease Finance Corporation ILFC to take delivery of an initial two Airbus A330-200 aircraft. It will also reposition two of its 180 seat Airbus A320 aircraft from its European charter operation to Australia. The first of the aircraft arrives next month.

From 15 December, Air Australia starts its first flights on the highly competitive Melbourne-Brisbane-Melbourne main trunk route with seats selling from A$69 one-way including taxes.

Next month Air Australia also launches new low cost international services from Brisbane and Melbourne non-stop to Honolulu, Hawaii, priced from $499 one-way including taxes.

The airline plans to introduce Australia-China services in mid 2012 and this month lodged an application with the International Air Services Commission (IASC) for an allocation capacity to operate services between Australia and Vietnam.

Air Australia unveiled its new brand name, distinctive green and gold aircraft livery and new uniforms on 3 November.

MD and CEO Michael James said support from the general public and the travel industry has been overwhelming.

"Our team at Air Australia is doing an outstanding job and with the strong support of our travel industry partners we are currently tracking ahead of forecast and expect an operating profit this financial year," he said.

"We are very focussed on bedding down our new business model and the expansion of our fleet which will see our A320 fleet supporting our growing A330 international network," he said.

Note: Fares above are subject to availability and prices are one way, per person, including taxes.


The article states they are expecting a profit.Well done .

Source http://www.aviationrecord.com/FC/FCn...anes-3388.aspx
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:36 am

Sorry i thought i was publishing another article.Sorry about that mariner.Anyway they look like things are going good for Air Australia as it mentions a possible profit this year.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:12 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 167):
FWA has been involved in Jet Connect??? Please give a link or details, haven't heard about that.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...antas/story-e6frg95x-1226130854564

See above. It was an attempt by the pilots union to have Jetconnect declared a sham and to bring the NZ pilots under the Australian contracts.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:17 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 169):
Sorry i thought i was publishing another article.Sorry about that mariner.

Not a problem.  

Note, though, that he says "operating profit" - I would imagine there would have to be a net loss given the one-time charges (setting up the new operation, etc.).

But - fingers crossed.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:22 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 170):
See above. It was an attempt by the pilots union to have Jetconnect declared a sham

Thanks Sydscott, learn something new every day!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:34 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 168):
The airline has finalised lease agreements with International Lease Finance Corporation ILFC to take delivery of an initial two Airbus A330-200 aircraft. It will also reposition two of its 180 seat Airbus A320 aircraft from its European charter operation to Australia. The first of the aircraft arrives next month.

From comments in Skytrax regarding European services operated by Strategic Airlines, the A320s used there are in very tired condition. That comment seems to be made almost every time, whether people enjoyed anything else about the inflight service. Do you think people flying around Australia will notice the condition of the interiors?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:28 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 173):
Do you think people flying around Australia will notice the condition of the interiors?

If they're that grotty, maybe they'll refurbish?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:02 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 172):
Thanks Sydscott, learn something new every day!

I only very recently read about the hearing in an article about more recent action -- goes to show how much we can all miss!

Quoting mariner (Reply 174):
Quoting alangirvan (Reply 173):
Do you think people flying around Australia will notice the condition of the interiors?

If they're that grotty, maybe they'll refurbish?

QF's 767s can hardly be much better. And it will be less of an issue for a LCC.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:19 pm

Does anyone have any information, if any, on the affect of AMR Ch11 Bankruptcy on the recent agreements between AA and QANTAS?

Not all Ch11 savvy, but interested to know what will happen as this deal was only cemented in September/October, I believe.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:52 pm

Quoting vheca (Reply 176):
Does anyone have any information, if any, on the affect of AMR Ch11 Bankruptcy on the recent agreements between AA and QANTAS?

Not all Ch11 savvy, but interested to know what will happen as this deal was only cemented in September/October, I believe.

Nothing, in a word.

Mariner probably knows more about American law than the rest of us put together, so he can gladly correct me, but from my understanding Chapter 11 allows for the (supposedly) bankrupt entity to continue operating in a completely normal manner, at least from a customer experience perspective. Therefore just as day-to-day AA operations are in no way impacted by Ch11, also true of codeshare and interlining agreements.

As to the long-term impact, who knows. It would depend entirely on the direction that AA choose to take during bankruptcy. However I would personally suggest that AA would want to further increase synergies with its partners (especially IAG, but also JL, LA and - yes - QF) in order to reduce costs through more efficient interlining, comprehensive JSA agreements etc. Therefore I cannot see why they would want to renege on their existing agreements, however new they may be.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:52 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 177):
Mariner probably knows more about American law than the rest of us put together, so he can gladly correct me, but from my understanding Chapter 11 allows for the (supposedly) bankrupt entity to continue operating in a completely normal manner, at least from a customer experience perspective. Therefore just as day-to-day AA operations are in no way impacted by Ch11, also true of codeshare and interlining agreements.

That's about it and (barring spectacular surprises) I can't see that it will affect the BA agreements in any way.

The intention of Chapter 11 is allow the company to restructure - financially - to become a viable, profitable entity. In practice, this generally means reducing labour costs, especially pension obligations, and dumping expensive aircraft leases that they no longer want

The airline has been given approval to continue operating with whatever costs that entails, but it now cannot make any other financial decision without the approval of the bk judge and the first application to the court was to get rid of 24 aircraft - MD80's and F100's - which, mostly, don't fly, have been parked for years, but on which the airline is still paying the leases. How it got itself into that situation is beyond me.

American's wages bill is about $800 million per year higher than it's immediate peers, so the union agreements will be an early target, and the biggest financial drag is its pension plan, which will almost certainly be removed to the government pension authority.

It is interesting one because American went into Chapter 11 with $4 billion in the bank. It isn't actually cash-in-hand broke, it can meet payroll, and it isn't looking for financing to pay its costs (although new financing may come its way).

It is anticipated that the airline will shrink some - 10% has been mentioned - but mostly on the US domestic side. There is also a wide belief (not just here) that it is now a take-over target, and that may become true, but it isn't true right now. The airline has a period of time to file its own Plan of Reorganization - POR - with the court, and no one else can step in before that happens.

Understandably, a.netters tend to see these things from an airline perspective, but this is really all and only about money.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:18 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 177):
Quoting mariner (Reply 178):

Thanks for that. I wasn't sure that the agreements would have been affected. Can be seen as a cost cutting measure in the eyes of Ch11 processes, maybe?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:50 am

I haven't seen this posted before, but I donlt suppose I read every post. If it has been, please advise and I'll ask for deletion.

In the revamp of Virgin Australia, the mystery of what is to happen to Polynesian Blue has been solved - it will be renamed Virgin Samoa:

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...across-airline-20111207-1oiwo.html

"The one part of the airline group that does not fall under the Virgin Australia umbrella has also received a revamp, with Polynesian Blue renamed Virgin Samoa.

Virgin Samoa, which operates one Boeing 737 and flies from Apia to Sydney, Brisbane and Auckland, is a joint venture between Virgin Australia and Samoan government, which both own 49 per cent of the airline. Aggie Grey's Resort and Hotel holds the remaining shareholding."


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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:04 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 180):

Ah good, always thought it would be weird for the national airline to be renamed Virgin Australia...

I really wish they had renamed Pacific Blue and V Australia as Virgin Pacific, renamed the domestic brand as Virgin Australia and then Virgin Samoa. Would have made more sense to me, but I guess the less names the easier it probably is for the books and from a customer perspective
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:42 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 181):
I really wish they had renamed Pacific Blue and V Australia as Virgin Pacific, renamed the domestic brand as Virgin Australia and then Virgin Samoa. Would have made more sense to me, but I guess the less names the easier it probably is for the books and from a customer perspective

Pacific Blue only really flies to AKL-TBU and AKL-RAR that are not anything to do with Australia. (ie AKL-APW was poly not pac).

Allt he other NZ Pac Blue base flights touched Aus - so it makes sense to reduce the branding. Also RAR and TBU have long had a history of Air NZ operating to LAX.. so that could also be seen as weird as it was NZ in the name etc etc
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:13 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 180):
In the revamp of Virgin Australia, the mystery of what is to happen to Polynesian Blue has been solved - it will be renamed Virgin Samoa:

For my money, Ply Blue/Virgin Samoa is one of the great success stories of Australia's relationship with the Islands and I wish it would be repeated elsewhere.

It;s an area where I agree with Ben Sandilands (one of the few these days):

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...is-one-of-worlds-top-earning-jets/

"Until that point Polynesian Airlines had been a huge burden on the economy of Samoa, losing substantial sums of money in part through very costly leases of jets with premium cabins that rarely generated the fares or occupancy levels required to make commercial sense.

Run as a well promoted economy class cabin using the low cost base of Pacific Blue changed everything. Samoa kept the continuity of having its own flag carrier, but began saving tens of millions of dollars that reverted to medical care, education and other community services, while Samoans and tourists alike responded to attractive air fares and leisure packages that lifted its national fortunes."


The world economy is enough of a battle for the small island nations, without the added financial weight of having to sustain an airline in these days of high fuel prices (or ever, really).

I wish Qantas would do something similar with Air Pacific - or I wish Fiji would work to have Qantas, or anyone, do something similar with Air Pacific.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:51 pm

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"Until that point Polynesian Airlines had been a huge burden on the economy of Samoa, losing substantial sums of money in part through very costly leases of jets with premium cabins that rarely generated the fares or occupancy levels required to make commercial sense.

Not to mention that most passengers got about 30kg luggage each (not much room for commercial freight!). Many (and I mean a LOT!) of passengers travelled with upwards of 60kg of luggage each! It was always a bit of a case of my cousins uncle knows the airline port manager etc...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:02 pm

The most annoying thing about the old deal with Polynesian Blue and Virgin Blue was that the aircraft in the Polynesian Blue livery did not operate the APW flights most of the time.Aircraft with Pacific Blue livery and name operated most of the time.I doubt whether this will occur with the new branding as well.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:25 am

Just a quick update on the QF/SAA codeshare, the IASC website is now showing an extension of the current codeshare arrangements until March 31st, 2012 to allow for more submissions from Qantas and SAA on the determination they have just made.

No doubt there is some furious lobbying happening behind the scenes so it'll be interesting to see what materials are made public in support of any new arguments that are made.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:23 am


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This is believed to be Air Australia's latest A330 due to arrive in Australia tonight. Supposedly an ILFC plane that will be first on probably the Phuket route, so their own one can start HNL. Eventually the Turks hand the plane back to ILFC and then, only then, do Air Oz take over the driving.

So if the info is correct this will mean Australian passengers end up on a Turkish operated plane where the Turkey operator provides aircraft, complete crew, maintenance, and insurance (ACMI) .

To me if I booked an Australian airline I would be expecting an Australian crew, Australian standard/based maintenance, etc. Wonder how much backlash Air Australia will cop with this?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:05 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 187):
To me if I booked an Australian airline I would be expecting an Australian crew, Australian standard/based maintenance, etc. Wonder how much backlash Air Australia will cop with this?

Since it seems to be a temporary situation, I would hope Aussies are a bit less xenophobic than that - but you never know.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:35 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 188):
I would hope Aussies are a bit less xenophobic than that - but you never know.

When it comes to airlines I think they are. We have been educated that every other airline other than an Australian Airline is inferior,

Imagine if Qantas chartered an Aeroflot plane for a flight. What do you think the reaction would be when the pax boarded?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:43 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 189):
Imagine if Qantas chartered an Aeroflot plane for a flight. What do you think the reaction would be when the pax boarded?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:48 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 189):
When it comes to airlines I think they are. We have been educated that every other airline other than an Australian Airline is inferior,

All those Aussies choosing to fly Singapore and Emirates don't seem to feel that way.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 189):
Imagine if Qantas chartered an Aeroflot plane for a flight. What do you think the reaction would be when the pax boarded?

If I were a temporary situation, I'd be fine with it. It's been a while since I've flown Aeroflot, but it was pretty good. The old East German airline, Interflug, was better.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:53 am

Interesting news on the SQ/VA front -- MI will commence a four weekly service SIN-DRW from late next March, VA will run a daily SYD-DRW from early April to meet the flight.

A new VA lounge will be opening in DRW (no clues on when) and frequent flyer integration commences 'next week'.

Details here.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:56 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 187):
To me if I booked an Australian airline I would be expecting an Australian crew, Australian standard/based maintenance, etc. Wonder how much backlash Air Australia will cop with this?

Yes of course. If you fly Qantas, you expect to fly with an Australian crew, with the maintenance done in Australia. Imagine the backlash if Qantas even thought about having A330s based in Singapore, and being flown by crew on Singapore conditions. You expect Qantas A380s to be maintained in Australia.

So, if Air Australia follow the example of Qantas, they should be OK.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:07 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 183):
The world economy is enough of a battle for the small island nations, without the added financial weight of having to sustain an airline in these days of high fuel prices (or ever, really).

Completely agree.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 185):
The most annoying thing about the old deal with Polynesian Blue and Virgin Blue was that the aircraft in the Polynesian Blue livery did not operate the APW flights most of the time

While annoying from an entusiasts perspective, it enabled a far greater amount of flexibility in fleet planning and the ability to call on other aircraft in the event of a flight going tech.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 187):
To me if I booked an Australian airline I would be expecting an Australian crew, Australian standard/based maintenance, etc. Wonder how much backlash Air Australia will cop with this?

Frankly, I think most people would get over it pretty quick smart - at least, I hope they would. Given the diversity of society today, people may not even take notice. And you never know, they may be pleasantly surprised at the servcie they get.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:29 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 193):
So, if Air Australia follow the example of Qantas, they should be OK.

Let's hope they get around to rebranding the thing before it enters service. Qantas performing a fraction of their maintenance work overseas (and it is only the very heaviest work -- ie D checks, which are btw performed by companies much better than QF, such as the world renowned LH Technik in FRA) is very different to passengers being herded onto a Saudi Arabian branded aircraft.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:17 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 195):
Let's hope they get around to rebranding the thing before it enters service.

It doesn't sound as if they are going to do that and - really - I don't have a problem with it.

I can book on any number of airlines who have codeshare arrangements and find myself flying on a quite different airline.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:28 am

It will only operate on the BNE,MEL-HKT run whilst VH-SSA will operate BNE,MEL-HNL.
Who really cares as i bet the people on this board making the fuss, won't fly them anyway.

There has been plenty of previous wet leases over the decades and heaps during the pilot strike of 2 decades ago.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:02 pm

The 330 arrived last night at 2015.I listened to ATC and no problems with the English.All was understood and clearly repeated by the pilot and very courteous.I will pop out this arvo to see what livery.

Cheers.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #56

Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:21 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 198):
The 330 arrived last night at 2015.I listened to ATC and no problems with the English.All was understood and clearly repeated by the pilot and very courteous.I will pop out this arvo to see what livery.



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