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DeltaMD90
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Will US Airlines Ever Enjoy VLAs In Their Fleet?

Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:13 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 43):
Quoting catiii (Reply 3):
I think our pilots and F/A's would rather fly in profitability

How is it working out for you? 

(I mean outside JetBlue and Southwest, who are regional airlines with obviously regional aircraft.)

    This is the second post with the same joke. Have you even looked at the recent earnings of the US airlines? Only AA didn't make money this quarter, and ironically WN (due to bad fuel hedging but not operations)

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 35):
Do I have a right to my opinion? Please tell me if I do not!

Yes you are but you start posting stuff that sounds very arrogant. In fact, this quote seems like you are passing it off as a fact and not an opinion:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
or will our pilot and F/A fly in shame?

as in our pilots and F/As are flying in shame, not that you are ashamed personally. There are many great twin-engined pilots on here that fly with pride with great airlines and find you comment strange and insulting. Just something to think about for future posts!
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:17 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
UA should just order the A380 and come up with a top top product overall and win back all customers

United could have A380 in 10 years, they have many ultra long haul routes where it would make sense they operate only once daily or even on some route with 2 or 3 daily flights. Sydney Hong Kong, Tokyo, Peking, Shanghai, FRA and LHR could be A380 destinations for UA.
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:26 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 51):
United could have A380 in 10 years, they have many ultra long haul routes where it would make sense they operate only once daily or even on some route with 2 or 3 daily flights. Sydney Hong Kong, Tokyo, Peking, Shanghai, FRA and LHR could be A380 destinations for UA.

UA historically prefers frequency over size. The fact they have hubs spread across the U.S. and the Pacific also weighs against a VLA aircraft.

I think it more likely they'll opt for a large twin (773ER/NG) over a 380 or 748i.
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:45 pm

And here I always thought VLA meant Very Light Aircraft. When did Light become Large?
Unable.
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 50):
as in our pilots and F/As are flying in shame, not that you are ashamed personally. There are many great twin-engined pilots on here that fly with pride with great airlines and find you comment strange and insulting. Just something to think about for future posts!




Wow, I did mean to insult any pilots or F/A, I was just putting my feeling out there. A twin-engined pilot or any pilot should not be a shame of their jobs. To all twin-engined plane pilots, please forgive me if you feel that I insulted you.
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:33 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 54):
Wow, I did mean to insult any pilots or F/A, I was just putting my feeling out there. A twin-engined pilot or any pilot should not be a shame of their jobs. To all twin-engined plane pilots, please forgive me if you feel that I insulted you.

Perhaps you and me should go and have a fist fight now!   
20 years ago, I was wishing that more twins would fly long haul, because flying quads and tris around were the norm... and boring! (it helped that the twins were newer and had better comfort and IFE, and of course, better scheduling due to higher frequency)... I mean, everything going long haul was a DC10 or a 747.. sardine can flights too!

But no, I did not think back then that Quad VLA pilots were egoistic megalomaniac pilots who think they're Gods from the ancient world when the twin pilots were proud bearers of the future...

  

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Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:01 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 54):

Wow, I did mean to insult any pilots or F/A, I was just putting my feeling out there. A twin-engined pilot or any pilot should not be a shame of their jobs. To all twin-engined plane pilots, please forgive me if you feel that I insulted you.

From an ashamed twin engine pilot, I don't feel insulted.  

I hope you're paying more attention in your English/grammar classes than math!
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:04 pm

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 55):
Perhaps you and me should go and have a fist fight now!



Are you sure about, I am a pretty big guy!   

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 55):
20 years ago, I was wishing that more twins would fly long haul, because flying quads and tris around were the norm... and boring! (it helped that the twins were newer and had better comfort and IFE, and of course, better scheduling due to higher frequency)... I mean, everything going long haul was a DC10 or a 747.. sardine can flights too!




Thank you for your reply, it is good to hear from a twin lover point of view.
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:06 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 12):

I have to say this is all a bit crazy I can't quite believe what your saying here ! Twins are no way boring. The 77W is just about the best looking thing in the sky IMHO and do you think the folks at Boeing are not proud of what rolls out of Everett.

Twins / Quads there all good to me
 
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:07 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 54):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 50):
as in our pilots and F/As are flying in shame, not that you are ashamed personally. There are many great twin-engined pilots on here that fly with pride with great airlines and find you comment strange and insulting. Just something to think about for future posts!

Wow, I did mean to insult any pilots or F/A, I was just putting my feeling out there. A twin-engined pilot or any pilot should not be a shame of their jobs. To all twin-engined plane pilots, please forgive me if you feel that I insulted you.

No, you explained yourself, I was just trying to point out why you got so much criticism, I just hope you learned. I am extra cautious posting on this site, I try and think of how the opposite of me would read the post and analyze any possible confusion. My biggest disconnect was trying to figure out what you meant about "taxing" until I realized you were saying "taxiing" (to tax vs to taxi)  
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:02 am

I know from crew at LH and EK that the A380 is the most prestigious aircraft in the fleet and that crew feel very proud about working it. In the early days, EK for example only let their best flight attendants at the time get type rated for the model.

However, there is one huge downside to it: The limited number of destinations you can fly to. Air France flies their A380 to 6-8 different places, in contrast to literally dozens 777 destinations. Same is true for EK, KE, SQ, or LH with their A330/A340 crew.

For that reason alone I would prefer to fly another, bigger subfleet of aircraft and obviously am not alone in feeling that way.

From an airline perspective I also don't feel there's an actual need for US airlines to buy bigger aircraft. US Airlines are inferior to every home airline of countries they serve, where traffic volumes could allow for such a large aircraft to be used. They will catch their passengers by price, frequent flier affiliations or by simply offering something their foreign counterparts don't, ie direct US flights to secondary markets. Neither of which requires an A380 to be realized. Therefore, the costs of maintaining a tiny subfleet to deploy on the small number of destination-pairs where an A380 would be cheaper vis-a-vis a 77W would offset the advantage in fuel burn.

UA and DL may buy some 748s at some stage in the future, but it will take some price-slashing desperation on Boeing's end for that to happen first.
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:55 am

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 43):
How is it working out for you?

(I mean outside JetBlue and Southwest, who are regional airlines with obviously regional aircraft.)

Actually pretty good. You must have missed all the earnings calls.
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:09 am

Quoting SEA (Reply 45):
So true. Companies like AN, CX, and EK are certainly inferior and shameful of their fleets of twin WBs.

You mean ANA right?

AN=Ansett Australia which operated the B 747-300/400 and went belly up in 2001
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:26 am

Somebody didn't have their Wheaties this morning. This whole entire thread is ridiculous. Let me see if I am understanding this...Simply because the U.S. operates twin engine aircraft over the ponds that makes US inferior? Your kidding right? The 777 for example, can be loaded up only to 60% load factor, and can still turn a profit. Now if I put a 747 on that exact same route, with 60% load factor, I then have to burn more fuel, for those two extra engines therefor causing my profits to decline. Silly me, I could have just put an "inferior" twin engine on it made twice the dough and bought another "inferior" airplane, but hey I'm just in the U.S. A 777 typical cruising speed is Mach.84, a 747 is Mach.85, tell me do you REALLY think its that much of a noticeable difference....tail wind my friend....tail wind.

Another thing to add on top of your quad engine theory. Almost ALL airlines operate twin engine aircraft, not just the U.S. Hell even freight companies are going twin. Why would they spend the extra money on fuel, maintenance, and all other expenses for two additional engines, when they can get better results in today's fuel prices? The 4 holer days are over, most airlines in here in the U.S. at least only taxi on 1 engine, so having 4 they'd have to taxi on two, therefor eliminating the idea of once again saving as much as possible, so that's another negative in today's atmosphere. Twin engine is where it's at, either suffer silently, or find a new hobby. I'm not trying to sound rude, but as an airline employee, whatever makes my company richer, keeps my job...so if they prefer two engines because they say it's cheaper to operate, then that's just that much more easier for me to sleep at night, not having to worry about my job.

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Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:33 am

Quoting usairways787 (Reply 63):
The 4 holer days are over, most airlines in here in the U.S. at least only taxi on 1 engine, so having 4 they'd have to taxi on two, therefor eliminating the idea of once again saving as much as possible, so that's another negative in today's atmosphere. Twin engine is where it's at, either suffer silently, or find a new hobby.

I'll add that the day engines are powerful enough, you'll have A380 and 747 sized aircraft with 2 engines. Heck, the 777-300ER is basically a 2 engined 747. The only reason the A380 was a 4 engined aircraft was because it couldn't have been 2.

But do not lose hope. There may be a day when A380 sized aircraft need 2 engines, but the newest aircraft that hold, IDK, 1500 passengers would need 4.

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